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  • technicolour

    Alfred, you poor person. Do you not know? The Palestinians are being walled in. They are being starved. They are being shot at. Gaza has been bombed. White phosphorous has been used.

    Sounds just like Stoke On Trent, doesn’t it?

    Of course British people exist. I am a British person. So is Suhayl. What are you on about?

  • technicolour

    Sorry if I preempted you, there, Suhayl. You could be Scottish, of course, or Afghan? (me, I’d rather be Afghan).

  • Alfred

    “Sorry if I preempted you, there, Suhayl.”

    Teamwork, I see. Good show. Along with Angry, that doughty “NWO SHILL AND FOOTSOLDIER FOR THE 9/11 LIES MOVEMENT” as he so describes himself.

  • technicolour

    Alfred, I think angrysoba is being funny. You know, like comedy?

    I am worrying about you a bit. Do you have friends? Do they agree with you? I wish I could buy you a pint & let you know everything is OK, and no-one is being exterminated in the UK, and in fact we are lucky to be here, in this mostly peaceful place of many shades, cuisines & colours.

  • Richard Robinson

    “I am worrying about you a bit. Do you have friends? Do they agree with you? I wish I could buy you a pint & let you know everything is OK, and no-one is being exterminated in the UK, and in fact we are lucky to be here, in this mostly peaceful place of many shades, cuisines & colours.”

    It’s only a game. He doesn’t actually propose to live under what he’s recommending for us, it’s a game of fantasy cricket. SF/fantasy/RPG “invented world” stuff. That’s why the complexities are never followed up, just redesign the board slightly so they won’t arise and everything’s nice and simple.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Yeah, be mellow, Alfred. Mellow yellow… they call me. We’re just talking, it’s a web-versation, even though you’ve got some heavy views, man, you’re a good egg, man, take it easy and roll. Technicolour, thanks for your robust sanity. You were right both times. I am all of those things, and more. English, too, in a kind of King Alfred way. Wessex is green. Sussex is holy (esp. as I see that ‘Hercule’ Baker kept his seat!). But yeah, basically, at biopsychosocial level, at root, I am indeed a Brit, through-and-through-and-through. Whatever that might mean – its power and truth resides in its indefinability. The truth is not out there, it is in here, and it’s numinous.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Actually, you know, originally, I am a Yorkshireman – hence my spirited defence of the much-maligned Richard III! Hah! Those bleedin Lancastrians! My kingdom, my kingdom for a horse!

  • Alfred

    Suhayl,

    You say, “I am all of those things, and more. English, too, in a kind of King Alfred way.”

    You realize that Alfred is the only English monarch know as “the Great” because he secured England’s borders from an uncontrolled settler invasion.

    So I am glad we agree on that.

  • Richard, of Lancaster

    “Actually, you know, originally, I am a Yorkshireman – hence my spirited defence of the much-maligned Richard III! Hah! Those bleedin Lancastrians!”

    Huh. A plague on both yer houses.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Now I remember, the point in the story was that King Alfred burned the cakes when asked to watch over them. And his wofe scolded him for it and he was mellow. A mellow monarch.

  • technicolour

    angrysoba… “the BNP are some kind of New World Order plot to discredit perfectly good fascist ideas by making them seem, well…fascist”.

    🙂

    suhayl: ‘robust sanity’. Yeay! And from a doctor, too. Can I quote you?

    Notes: The BNP lost all 12 council seats in Barking. With all the violence surrounding them, it’s hard to see how they’d avoid being caught assaulting someone, or making Nazi salutes, or just falling out with each other (the Marmite thing was obviously a set-up). But I think the information campaign against them was astonishing, and takes the credit.

    Otherwise I enjoyed Alfred’s paean to the beauties of the Zulus etc. It’s hard not to feel a sense of loss at the idea that such people might disappear. But the threats to countries and cultures have nothing to do with sex. The West Papuans are not noticeably being plagued by horny Brits, but they are being threatened by corporate landgrabs, slow starvation and government backed murder. The Iraqis’ genes are not being diluted by inter-racial bonking, but mutated by depleted uranium. I could go on. But to everyone’s relief I won’t.

  • technicolour

    Sorry, meant to say ‘the marmite thing was obviously not a set up’.

  • Suhayl saadi

    Techicolour, you can indeed quote me.

    I hereby certify for posterity and the Earl of Nod that Technicolour is completely, robustly and indeed, indefatiguably, sane.

  • Alfred

    “And his wofe scolded him”

    It was not his wofe.

    He was hiding in the marshes and took shelter in a basket weaver’s cottage.

    It was the basket weefer’s wove who scolded him.

    The reason he was mellow about it was because he was incognito. Otherwise he’d probably have slewed her on the spot for telling him to mind her bluidy cakes.

    Incidentally, as I predicted, Nick Griffin (is he a mason like his Dad) got over 16% of the vote in Barking, quite enough to get him into the Commons with a PR system.

  • technicolour

    er hem, I think it’s *slayed*? slaid? slade?

    Poor woman.

    Also the Vikings & Danes were invading with armies & killing people, not just ‘settling’. And the peasant woman realised who Alfred was. But folk myths are like that, hey.

    wofe!

  • Alfred

    “the Vikings & Danes were invading with armies & killing people”

    Well of course. That was how itg was done in those days. Aelfred had no Minister for Immigration or CCTV cams, so naturally the Vikings just went on like a bunch of West Bank settlers.

    As with NuLabor and Cameroon, today, there were barons scheming with the settlers to rob Aelfred of the throne. That was why he was hid in the swamp. Maybe Cameroon should do the same.

    Interesting, by the way how violently the A. SOBa objects to the idea that the BNP could be a front for one of the intelligence services, or that Jewish interests might set up such a front in Canada (affirmed by the high profile lawyer, Ezra Levant — I’d put in a link except that this software chokes on more than one link).

    Glenn stated that Angy was receiving 50 cents a time for his shilling, a decent rate of exchange. Angry ridiculed the claim — angrily of course — but did not actually deny it. Is his masthead SHILLING FOR THE NWO, a piece of irony or a clever cover for a shill?

    As for Nick Griffin being a fraud, I came across this.

    http://griffinwatch-nwn.blogspot.com/

    The masthead reads:

    “Is Griffin Premeditatively Sabotaging the British National Party.”

    I have not read much further, although I did check out the illustrated Masonic hand grip in case I ever meet a BNPer.

  • Richard Robinson

    “That was why he was hid in the swamp. Maybe Cameroon should do the same”

    Ah, but the Dutch have taught us how to drain them. We grow food in them now.

  • angrysoba

    “Glenn stated that Angy was receiving 50 cents a time for his shilling, a decent rate of exchange.Angry ridiculed the claim — angrily of course — but did not actually deny it.”

    Ah! I didn’t deny it, ergo, it must be true.

    “Is his masthead SHILLING FOR THE NWO, a piece of irony or a clever cover for a shill?”

    Ah! I might be ridiculing it, ergo, it must be true as it’s a double bluff.

    “Interesting, by the way how violently the A. SOBa objects to the idea that the BNP could be a front for one of the intelligence services, or that Jewish interests might set up such a front in Canada.”

    Ah! It must be true because I object to it.

    Actually, I certainly didn’t say that intelligence services haven’t infiltrated fascist organizations or that they don’t do that in organized crime or other political movements. They surely do. There is plenty of evidence that they do and often the purpose is to act as a kind of beacon to detect those with such political or ciminal affiliations. And part of the cover will be for them to engage in similar behaviour to those they are investigating.

    Of course, this can all go horribly wrong if they end up “going native” or making the organization more popular and more violent than it ever would have been.

    I have no idea about the situation in Canada, so I did some Googling. I take it you are referring to Grant Bristow. I don’t know why you make out that the fascists in Canada were part of a Jewish plot, though. Ernst Zundel, for example, was already a well-established neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier who ran his Nazi publishing company Samiszdat. He published writings by the leader of Britain’s National Front. I am pretty sure, as some people can confirm here, that anti-immigrant racist violence from the National Front was very nasty and very real (not organized by some Jewish-run NWO to discredit opposition to immigration which is really just silly pretzel logic).

    http://tinyurl.com/6ghxpq

  • angrysoba

    “As for Nick Griffin being a fraud, I came across this.”

    Well, you’ve sent me to that BNP site and my reaction is, if the BNP tear themselves apart in a frenzy of paranoid finger-pointing and playing spot the crypto-Masonic-Jewish-Zionist-New-World-Order-shill then GOOD. The less influence that fascist parties and fascist policies have on Britain the better.

  • technicolour

    good Lord, angrysoba, I suddenly feel inclined to be distrustful if not downright suspicious of you. Could Alfred’s clever and oh so subtle ‘divide & rule’ exercise really be working?

    Oh, no. No, it’s OK, it isn’t. But you (and/or Alfred) might want to read this for a laugh anyway:

    Belgium Doesn’t Exist!

    http://zapatopi.net/belgium/

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Belgium was the locus of that child abuse scandal that enveloped so many powerful people – we haven’t heard all of that one, I’m certain. Apostasy and the stench of Woden Bone await us all!

    I have a ring with a diamond shaped like a… diamond, so perhaps, in the right Luciferine light, it may come to resemble a Grand Master’s ring. I had a Masonic handshake once. How odd and ticklish to have a portly fifty-five year-old tradesman man hanging on to my hand, like some kind of ‘toon, not letting go, until I shook him and shook him and then he turned into a giant, roving eye: “Hello, I’m Horus,” he said, “and I’m here to take you to meet Noel Edmonds.”

  • Alfred

    Angy quotes me quoting Glenn

    ‘”Glenn stated that Angy was receiving 50 cents a time for his shilling, a decent rate of exchange.Angry ridiculed the claim — angrily of course — but did not actually deny it.”‘

    And says

    “Ah! I didn’t deny it, ergo, it must be true.”

    Ha, more irony, I presume, which leaves me slightly baffled.

    Is it that our man from the land of the lone nut is an honest shill, who will not tell a lie direct?

    Re: the Canadian Jewish Congress and their support for Canada’s Nazi party

    Ezra Levant’s comments on the subject are here:

    http://ezralevant.com/2009/05/the-canadian-nazi-party-a-part.html

    He does not mention anyone named Bristow. In fact, he says the Canadian Nazi Party had only one member, named Blaikie. The CJC then spent thousands of dollars hiring an ex policeman to join Blaikie ans work as his bodyguard.

    Zundel seems to have been more or less of a nut, interested in UFO’s among other things. Why anyone took any notice of his nonsense, I don’t understand.

    There are no doubt many people who believe in UFO’s, deny that the world is round and proclaim that Joe Stalin was a great man, not a mass murdering monster. But the jails are not large enough for all of them. And anyhow, we conspiracy theorists are always inclined to believe what is officially denied.

  • angrysoba

    “Zundel seems to have been more or less of a nut, interested in UFO’s among other things. ”

    Zundel has always been a favourite with Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis. He was the one who commissioned the Leuchter Report and had people such as Faurisson and David Irving testify in his favour.

    For what it is worth, and you can check this many times over on this blog and others, I don’t believe in incarcerating people for stupid or even hateful beliefs.

    I do believe that such people can and should be denied work in higher learning institutions but that is because people such as Zundel and Irving have only reached their conclusions by distorting or falsifying their work.

    Personally, I like some of Niall Ferguson’s history books but I cannot agree with him on his ideas about the benificence of the British Empire. One of the reasons why I disagree with him is because he says, himself, that the British were (at least partly) to blame for the deaths of five million Indians in the nineteenth century.

    This is an absolutely horrific number and the behaviour of the British was supremely callous. How Ferguson can stand aside and say, “Well in the long-run it worked out okay!” is mind-boggling. But Ferguson is at least someone who acknowledges these horrific things whereas apologists for the Holocaust largely pretend that these atrocities never happened.

    And they’re almost all Nazi sympathizers or otherwise haters of Jews or Gypsies.

  • angrysoba

    technicolor: “good Lord, angrysoba, I suddenly feel inclined to be distrustful if not downright suspicious of you.”

    Eh? What did I say that was so bad?

  • Suhayl Saadi

    “Personally, I like some of Niall Ferguson’s history books but I cannot agree with him on his ideas about the benificence of the British Empire.”

    Angrysoba

    Absolutely. Ferguson is talented, clever, magnetic and currently he is the Milton Friedman of History. Well-rewarded, then. Unlike historians like the late Angus Calder, for example. Ferguson’s main claim to fame (I’m not saying this is the sum total of his work, simply that his fame is a consequence of this) is this:

    ‘Imperialism is good’.

    That road is paved with gold and wreathed in laurel.

    But in the long-run, Angus Calder was right.

  • technicolour

    Soba I meant that I was *not* suddenly distrustful or suspicious of you, despite Alfred’s suggestions that you work for an organisation which doesn’t exist…

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