Independent Coup 159


I don’t buy newspapers any more, but I strongly recommend that today everyone puts their hand in their pocket to support the Independent’s tremendous work exposing the immoral – no, evil – work of political lobbyists and the way our politicians are bought and paid for.

You can work your way through all the articles online beginning with this one, where I get a kind mention. This all follows on beautifully – and genuinely by coincidence – from my blog post of yesterday,


159 thoughts on “Independent Coup

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  • Fedup

    you’re thoroughly brainwashed by paranoid anti-semites
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    Ergo, I rest my case. (suppression of all dissent)

  • Anon

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/07/iran-war-already-begun

    They don’t give up. After a decade of blood-drenched failure in Afghanistan and Iraq, violent destabilisation of Pakistan and Yemen, the devastation of Lebanon and slaughter in Libya, you might hope the US and its friends had had their fill of invasion and intervention in the Muslim world.

    It seems not. For months the evidence has been growing that a US-Israeli stealth war against Iran has already begun, backed by Britain and France. Covert support for armed opposition groups has spread into a campaign of assassinations of Iranian scientists, cyber warfare, attacks on military and missile installations, and the killing of an Iranian general, among others.

    The attacks are not directly acknowledged, but accompanied by intelligence-steered nods and winks as the media are fed a stream of hostile tales – the most outlandish so far being an alleged Iranian plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the US – and the western powers ratchet up pressure for yet more sanctions over Iran’s nuclear programme.
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    Rest at link

  • Anon

    “War on Iran has already begun. Act before it threatens all of us”

    — Seumas Milne
    The Guardian.

  • Rehmat

    Angrysoba – I too have called Assad “a murderer and torturer” had I been a follower of the French Jew ‘philosopher’ Bernard-Henri Levy. He held a conference in Saint-Germain in France on July 4, 3011. Guess who he had invited to ‘save Syrian Muslims and Christians’ from Assad? Bernard Kouchner, former Jewish French foreign minister, Frederik Ansel, a member of Israel’s ruling Likud Party, Alex Goldfarb, former Knesset member and adviser to Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak and Andre Glucksmann, an Islamophobe French writer.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/israeli-conference-on-syria/

  • Antelope Grazer

    Find me a head of government who is not in some way complicit in murder and torture.

    First thought, Iceland – no, they’re in NATO
    Then, Ireland – no, Shannon is used for rendition flights.

    You probably have to go to somewhere like the Maldives…

  • Komodo

    “Komodo and Azra: I’m afraid I think things are more complicated than you see them. Of course Israel is embroiled in serious local conflicts, but I do not believe that these are the impetus behind the West’s moral assault on Iran; rather, they are a cover for it.”
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    So you are saying that Israel’s near-hysterical demands that someone (else) do something about Iran NOW, and the PNAC programme for inserting US-compliant regimes by violence in Iraq, Iran and Syria, are in some way covert? That’s not my impression, throughout a decade of close scrutiny.
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    We all know that securing US and European energy supplies – lacking any will to reduce the incredible waste endemic in their energy use – is central to the project. None of the actions taken during the last few years to achieve this need have involved Israel in any way, other than purely commercial involvement. In the US, Iraq and Afghanistan were not played as reducing the threat to Poor Little Israel, but as reducing the threat to the USA. In this not-quite-as-complicated-as-you-think scenario, big oil and Israel are ideologically joined at the hip. In 2003, Cheney and the dual-nationality zionists were reading from the same script. But the zionists wrote it; both for US and Israeli consumption. PNAC and “A Clean Break”, both.
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    The pressure for war with Iran emanates from Tel Aviv, and some of the US Jewish swing vote. Not from big oil. A devastated infrastructure does nothing for the oil companies.
    Intact facilities and the co-operation of the oil-state’s government are far more in their interest (as we are seeing in the corrupt ‘Stans, whose regimes, far worse than Iran’s, we are doing our best to support). The only beneficiary from war with Iran or Syria is Israel. Whose regional supremacy, backed by its US-funded clandestine weapons programme, will then be unchallenged. And extended.
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    Does the US think that encouraging this is in its own interest? Probably. Certainly big oil does. But if the US had shown Iran half the tolerance it extends to Uzbekistan, it would not even be an issue.
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    [Oh, and DEBKA is absolute bollocks, as someone said. Also MEMRI. For giggles only.]

  • Komodo

    What Paul Flynn actually said:

    “I greatly regret the interpretation that has been placed on [the remarks] and I fully understand why offence was given,” he said.

    “Some of the interpretations of these words were exaggerated suggesting malign intent that was never present or intended. Inference was built on inference.

    “There is no reason that anyone of any race or religion should be debarred from public office. That has always been my opinion.

    “The comments were made in a heated exchange in a select committee discussion on probable warmongering.”

    Mr Flynn added: “I have been an elected representative for the past 40 years and I do not have an atom of racism or anti-semitism in me.

    “If there was someone would have noticed by now.”
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    Did anyone ever get an apology for this, I wonder?:
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    …one of the lessons we have learned in the last five years in politics is that Muslims that go to parliament don’t have any morals or principles…..
    (Baroness Warsi)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/05/tories-lady-warsi-muslim-mps

  • John Goss

    DonnyDarko, I have just posted the following on Robert Halfon’s blog:
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    Dear Mr Halfon

    I have read the debate, and seen the debate in which Paul Flynn was continually interrupted in a crass attempt to prevent him from getting a proper inquiry into the Werritty, Fox, Gould meetings which were not mentioned in Gus O’Donnell’s “Inquiry” if it can be called such. A Muslim newspaper sums it up.
    “All too predictably, the serious issues raised by Paul Flynn are being indignantly rebuffed by Israel’s British apologists as rooted in old stereotypes about Jews and the Jewish state. The Jewish Conservative MP, Robert Halfon, maintains that Flynn is typical of leftists who, on the subject of Jews, ‘lose all sense of proportion’. What is conspicuously missing from Halfon’s outpouring of outrage is any reference to the one thing that might definitively settle the credibility or otherwise of Flynn and Murray’s allegations: ‘transparency’, a full public inquiry into the Adam Werritty affair and its palpably sinister ramifications.”

  • Jives

    @ Komodo
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    Lol…yeah…the dark arts of media manipulation by PR mobs seems to be Search Engine Optimisation and Wikipedia editing…
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    £100,000 per month? Nice work if you can get it..

  • nuid

    “It seems obvious that Fed Up is that collection of anti-semitic posters from before: “Apostate/Juniper/tungsten etc…”
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    Funny thing, Angry, that thought had crossed my mind …

  • ingo

    I also agree with Franz, its oil gas and control over the latter. the convenience for Israel is palpable, going to war with Hezbollah/Syria and Iran will postpone the vitally needed negotiations with a soon united Palestinian people, something it is trying hard to interfer with.

    We must not forget the issue of water and who controls it in the middle east, now must we ignore the other smaller hidden conflicts that also will erupt within the bigger confrontation. Turkeys unfinished business with the Kurds, Lebanons Maronites, Druze et al might decide to take sides the Gholan issue, the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees that still reside in Syria, and Iraq itself might also be a possible ingition point, again. All this will help to postpone the inevitability that are the peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine’s representatives.

    Thanks for that link Guest, it seems that our spooks also need the services of PR companies, maybe thats the reasoning behind their artificial openess and new public face recognition campaign of their MI leaders.

  • John Goss

    Komodo thanks for the Indy link. Bell Pottinger have not been entirely honest when they have edited Wikipedia articles under assumed names to get preferential client exposure. There should be a law against this making them say exactly who they are.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Angrysober,
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    You said, “Assad is a murderer and a torturer. You are the one spreading “hogwash and hype” and you’re thoroughly brainwashed by paranoid anti-semites.”
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    My judgement is based on history Angry and history records Bashar Assad as reflecting the heterogeneous nature of Judaism; Syrians and many more including me are an amalgam of Semitic origin that propels a great love for the entertainers, scientists and much more including business acumen that has made a lasting and enduring influence on our world and at home here in Britain.
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    Humanity and charity are the yardsticks of truth and judgement; history records such events – Bashar is quite capable of countering and unraveling the death squads in his country – he did the same in Iraq when death squads and militia were confused in the fog of war.
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    UPI’s report observed that the “difference between death squads and militia is an important semantic distinction to make as the new Iraqi government and the US military attempted to win back Baghdad,” – which during the previous three years has been in the steady and growing stranglehold of armed fighters.”

    We now know in reality, the “semantic difference” was aimed at obscuring the fact that the death squads were an integral part of the US-recruited, trained and run Iraqi puppet security forces, and the real target of General Casey’s “crackdown on death squads” was the Mahdi Army militia of Shiite cleric Moqtada al Sadr, an outspoken opponent of the US-led occupation.
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    Assad who opposed the Iraq war supported Moqtada with funding logistics and training which lead to the failure of the US military offensive to kill Sadr in 2004 in Sadr, a Mahdi Army stronghold and the reason America lost hearts and minds and its ‘war’ in Iraq.
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    US officials had presented no evidence of death squads being operated by Sadr’s Mahdi Army militia, and had ignored the evidence, including past public admissions by Iraqi officials, that the death squads function out of the US-controlled Iraqi security forces – America’s attempt to divide and conquer by a bloody massacre or civil war that smashed Iraqi homes and murdered Iraqi children by the hundreds…
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    This carnage, this murder, this deception is the point and my will will prevail. America is in death throes as she pays for the blood of Iraqi children in the remaining weeks of 2011 – the year of retribution.

  • John Goss

    Again the following comment will be visible on Robert Halfon’s blog following approval.
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    John Goss said…
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    Was there something wrong with my last comment other than it was not in line with neocon opinion?

  • passerby

    Anyone notice the tag team act between certain characters commenting around here?
    It goes;
    A; blah ..bl…. is one of those … comeback.
    B; Me too….. bollocks…. blah…
    Also A will jump to defend B on a difficult topic, and vice-versa.
    Curious, as to the fact that have others noticed this too?
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    It should be added that I have been bestowed the “honour” of having a past life on this board too (I was a grenadier in the Queens own Lancers, in my past life!). This line of thought at best could be attributed to stubbornly turning a blind eye to the numbers of “fellow travellers” who share similar sentiments, and thoughts, (ie there are not that many “baddies”, this is a kind of having a comfort blanket handy, for distressing times). On the other hand and at worst, “he is bla.. apos…tungs…. etc”.. is an attempt to play a mind game with the other participants, in a sort of crass Homer Simpson psychology 101 kind of way.
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    I digress.
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    The appalling BBC package put together as a hatchet job on Assad from a Barbara Walters interview is in line with the same olde same olde, of ye Syke Picot agreement on steroids, given the numbers of the dead and injured among the civilians “liberated” so far.
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    The nostrum that gave the world the current fuckedup economic doctrine; “too big to fail”, is now being applied generously to carry on the traditions of the failure and mayhem well into the 21st century. Hence the rash of dictators abound from Mediterranean to Yellow Sea, all in the aid of breathing life into the same zombie system.
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    So far as the Oil is concerned, and henny penny skies are falling; peak oil theory, and so called big oil designs. Missing from the argument are the enormousness of the printed and fiat dollars that have saturated the market, and these dollars are in search of a succour to buy something with these. Hence the instability injected into the system that systematically increases the prices of oil to keep the same bunch of lazy bastards in a lifestyle they have become entitled to.

  • nuid

    “Anyone notice the tag team act between certain characters commenting around here?
    It goes;
    A; blah ..bl…. is one of those … comeback.
    B; Me too….. bollocks…. blah…”

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    I think that may be directed at Angry and me. Which is priceless given the history of this blog, and what is in the archives. 😀

  • Franz

    Komodo:
    “The pressure for war with Iran emanates from Tel Aviv, and some of the US Jewish swing vote. Not from big oil. A devastated infrastructure does nothing for the oil companies.
    Intact facilities and the co-operation of the oil-state’s government are far more in their interest (as we are seeing in the corrupt ‘Stans, whose regimes, far worse than Iran’s, we are doing our best to support). The only beneficiary from war with Iran or Syria is Israel. Whose regional supremacy, backed by its US-funded clandestine weapons programme, will then be unchallenged. And extended.”
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    From what I understand, a devastated infrastructure has worked pretty well in Iraq – provided the oil infrastructure is insulated from the rest of the chaos. I think we are seeing a similar story in Libya. Look how quickly oil contracts have been handed to western companies. This was all part of the plan.
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    I really do not know whether there is a serious plan to invade Iran. The US may be coutning on threats being sufficient.
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    As I’ve said, you have to understand the seriousness of Peak Oil: if we don’t keep the oil coming, one way or another, our civilisation collapses. The stakes are high enough that our leaders really might do something ostensibly suicidal just to keep things going a bit longer.

  • passerby

    “the seriousness of Peak Oil”
    come again?
    Prey tell how oil forms, and not the cock and bull stories about fossils, etc.
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    Further, even accepting the nonsense peddled as “peak oil”, why are there no moves to search for; fuel the next generation? So far it has been a lot of hot air, about wind farms, which are in effect useless as chocolate fire guards, and oh yeah solar energy, which depends on the whimsicalness and inadequacies of battery technology. Why are there no reactor buildings on a massive scale before the last gallon of “oil” is burnt and over and done with?
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    You want to talk about faith based pseudo science, you are welcome, but do not, emphasis do not explain away the deaths of millions of civilians as incidental to saving the civilisation, along the lines of eggs and omelettes allegory.

  • Anon

    Passerby,

    You’re not saying you believe that bullshit abiotic nonsense are you? Of course oil is a fossil fuel.

    Why are there no reactor buildings on a massive scale? Plutonium Proliferation.

  • Franz

    Passerby:
    “You want to talk about faith based pseudo science”
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    No, but you clearly do.
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    I will do you the credit of assuming you are being paid to purvey disinformation, rather than imagine that you are sufficiently uninformed to believe Peak Oil is not a problem. Either way, I have no interest in discussing the matter with you.

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