119 thoughts on “Pissing into the Wind

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  • barbara brown

    Anyone see the Channel 4 documentary — pilots in Afghanistan?
    One cheeky chappy hunting down unarmed civilians from the safety of his cockpit turned to the camera with a big smile.
    ” I’m a weapons pervert. Guns turn me on.”
    Why is he not locked up?

  • Dale Martin

    @Uzbek In The UK,
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    I did not see Craigs comment as put in any other way than nicely, my response was not either.
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    I dont see the ability to make money equating to being evil in itself, how that money is made though does determine whether it is or not. The Rothschilds most certainly do have strong influence world wide, they have immensely profited through war and have never had any conviction regarding which side of the war they funded or profited from, it would be fair to say that if the Devil emerged from the bowels of hell tomorrow and war ensued, they would not have a problem lending him money for his war machine as long as there was a return made from it.
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    As far as the issue of Jews goes, I personally do not see the Rothschilds as being Jewish in a true genetic sense, they are Ashkenazi of European origin who converted into the faith, a fact that has always bewildered me as to why they were so prominent in the creation of Israel in Palestine through the British Agreement and also why they have funded it as considerably as they have through substantial donations. I dont particularly view this as a Jewish issue, as I said in my original post I truly do not believe that the majority of Israeli people are choosing this direction that is being travelled, they are ruled by a few that are taking it that way.
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    I dont think its true to say that the US itself needs Israel, but Israel certainly needs the US. As you point out Israel is the most powerful lobby in Washington and fundamentally the most powerful lobby group their is the one that has and does donate the most financial support and contributions to those in power and who want to remain there.
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    The main interest that the United States has in the Middle East is Oil and Resources, were it not for those then I think its fair to say that the US would have little if any interest there at all. But on that score, as far as the interest in Oil and resources goes, isn`t that interest really the main concern of the large corporations and banking and financial houses that make vast profits from that, because if the US government really had a concern regarding energy supply, then surely they would have sought out alternatives to remove their dependence on those Middle East resources long ago and secured their own future, which would be far more logical than relying on brute force and military might to scrabble for what is in effect a diminishing supply anyway.
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    The more you examine it the United States of America is far from autonomous and creating its own direction, it is in fact hijacked and steered by a very small but financially powerful few, the direction of which is being determined by not that which is good for America at all, but rather serves the purposes of the few that bankroll the lobbying which determines the direction of the senate. I do not over-estimate the influence of Rothschilds and Rockerfeller etc in that area I believe at all.

  • macky

    @Mary,

    I remember that Seymour Hersh was part of a very few group that were allowed to view some of the material that Obomba refused to release, and I remember that he said that for days after he was haunted by the shrieks of young boys being raped.

    I’ve just done a quick search & found he also mentioned this here;

    “The women were passing messages out saying please come and kill me because of what’s happened. And basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children, in cases that have been [video] recorded, the boys were sodomized, with the cameras rolling, and the worst above all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking. That your government has, and they’re in total terror it’s going to come out. It’s impossible to say to yourself, how did we get there, who are we, who are these people that sent us there.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6492.htm

  • Dale Martin

    @ Macky.
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    Thanks for the post by Seymour Hersh, I had not seen this before and considering its Hersh that is saying that this is what he saw, I am very inclined to believe it 100%. Disturbing to say the least and it would appear what we were officially told didn`t even begin to scratch the surface of just how degenerate things were there.

  • CanSpeccy

    It is annoying to have repeatedly to point out how stupid most of what you assert really is.
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    Here’s Ron Paul explicitly condemning the war in Afghanistan and stating that as Commander in Chief he would immediately end America’s military involvement there.
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    So why is it that you join with the US mainstream media in attempting to conceal the existence of a constitutionalist and an anti-war candidate for the Republican Party presidential nomination?

  • Mary

    Thanks to Dale Martin and Macky who responded on the blocked photos. Truly terrible. Can they go any lower? We think not but each time they surprise us.

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    I notice that La Clinton immediately goes on the media to deplore these atrocities in her hypocritical style.
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    PS Has anyone noticed that she is resorting to this sort of hairdo, called the Croydon facelift in this country. Would she have been any better or worse as President than Obomber? Hagwitch.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydon_facelift

  • ingo

    I think that they have been stoned out of their heads, gigglin’ like little boys as they were, they truly thought of themselves as being funny.
    Britains special relationship stinks of piss now and respect due to the Taliban for responding with a reaffirmation of the peace negotiations, saying that they will not respond to the event.
    This does not exclude the actions of some hotheads who might still be very offended and pissed orf about it all.

  • Greenmachine

    Whilst like many others I deplore this depraved behaviour I am aghast that the even more shocking and disgusting video of a US helicopter attack in Baghdad leaked by Bradley Manning via Wikileaks was not more widely reported / discussed/ condemned. The first time I viewed this I realised the US/UK/Israeli/NATO war machine had lost the plot utterly and completely….more recently I have come to know that the only ‘plot’ they ever had was war, war, war…and, by-the-way, some more war!! Shameful from people have the temerity to tell us how to live our lives!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mJYKGJIF8o

  • anno

    Craig
    Maybe you were too worried about presenting yourself diplomatically to the House of Commons enquiry about torture to observe the bods who were listening. You were talking about torture and they were replying about finnicky pieces of law.
    Your presentation covered outrage and compassion. Their presentation covered callousness and utter boredom. Same with Mr Rothschild. You may have added 20 years to your life just by saying these few nice words. Take £200 as you pass GO and pick up a Chance Card.

  • tigger1

    @DaleMartin
    “they are Ashkenazi of European origin who converted into the faith”

    I am curious where is such idea coming from? There is continous documented presence of Jewish diaspora in Europe since Roman times. Genetically different could be the descendants of Khazar ruling classes who converted to Judaism but there is some insgnificant minority if they exist at all.

  • Dale Martin

    @Tigger1.

    Absolutely everywhere I have looked up to date regarding the Rothschilds states them as being Ashkenazi in origin.
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    But I will concede that as Gandhi pointed out, “Just because one person believes something to be true and the entire rest of the world believes something different, that does not necessarily mean that that one single individual is wrong”
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    I would never be arrogant enough to believe that I have a monopoly on being right about everything, because the fact is that absolutely no-one on this planet has that monopoly either.
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    So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If you have some reference or link regarding the Rothschilds that shows or gives evidence that they are not Ashkenazi in origin please do let me have it, I very much like to examine all sides of any debate or theory.

  • anno

    Tigger1
    This disinformation is targeted at racists who might start to wonder why Muslim wogs are bad and Jewish wogs ok. It is supposed to make racists feel that they are of the same race as them. The OECD announced last week that European immigrants do NOT take UK jobs, while others outside the European Union do.
    It’s the same as the DNA results which tell us that the UK has had a distinctive DNA for thousands of years. OK how come at least fifty percent of Kurdish vocabulary is easily recognisable as from the same root as English. Were we linked linguistically, but separated by blood and colour of our skin?
    It is completely daft to differentiate between religions on the basis of racial origin, like the Shi’a argued that the leadership of the religion of Islam should travel down the blood line. I could dress up in orange and chant Hare Krishna with the best of them, if I thought it would pass muster on Doomsday in front of God.
    It is the teachings of the Talmud, a human commentary on the Taurat which was revealed to Moses peace be upon him, that have led over the generations to racist Zionism. This has in turn been used to convince fundamentalist Christians of the superiority of Bible followers to followers of the Qur’an. Which has in turn led to the filthy acts of torture described above, done on our watch, in our time by our governments. Revenge will come.

  • Abe Rene

    The soldiers who carried out this disgusting act have done their own country no favours, and brought shame on their colleagues who try to act honorably. They need to be made an example of.

  • Hydraargyrum

    “a description of every Republican candidates’ debate and every Clinton and Obama speech”

    C’mon Craig. Ron Paul would have the US military out of Afghanistan faster than Obama could say “indefinite detention”!!!!

  • tigger1

    Dale Martin
    but they are Ashkenazi and it means Jews. the antisemitic theory claiming “conversion” and in a sense reducing their purpose of maintaing identity does not hold with DNA testing.
    even the interesting claim that people with names Cohen, Kohn, Kon are descendants of Moses brother Aaron was supported by DNA uniqueness.
    try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews.
    of course many scientists are Ashkenazi Jews so there may be bias of presenting selective DNA evidence.

  • macky

    @Trigger; “I am curious where is such idea coming from? There is continous documented presence of Jewish diaspora in Europe since Roman times. Genetically different could be the descendants of Khazar ruling classes who converted to Judaism but there is some insgnificant minority if they exist at all.”

    Yes, this is an interesting subject; you might like to have a look a the last Post on this Thread;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/12/mary-poppins-and-newt-gingrich/

  • tigger1

    Anno,
    there is no correlation of language and ethnicity. sometimes invading tribes superimposed the language and culture but stayed in minority. DNA of most English people is more Celtic than Anglosaxon.
    other example: Bulgars were not Slavs by origin but they adopted Slavonic language. there are some very old Indoeuropean words common in this group of languages – from Sanskrit to English (closest to Sanskrit in Europe seems to be Lithuanian). I don’t know much about Kurdish.
    if we were looking at ethnicity ties then Iranians are much closer cousins for us Europeans (although I cannot be sure who were my ancestors) than Israelis.

  • Mary

    The content of this e-mail which came my way is very telling.
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    Please pass along this request to anyone who might consider a taped on camera interview.
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    The CBS Weekend News, which airs Saturday/Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. EST (5:30 p.m. CST/PST), is putting together a story about the high unemployment rate among female veterans, according to the latest numbers released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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    While there may be some explanations as to why the 22% rate is so alarmingly high, compared to the national average… even when all the explanations are factored in, the rate remains alarmingly high. What we’re looking for is to profile one or two women who have recently served in the military, who have seen combat, and who are continuing to have problems getting employment. What were your expectations upon returning home? What’s the reality been like? What is your sense of why returning vets are finding it disproportionately harder to get jobs? Is there an (unspoken) fear by potential employers of dealing with PTSD? Is it an (unspoken) concern about future redeployments?
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    We are producing this story out of Los Angeles, so our preference for interviews would be those who live west of the Rockies. We would do any interview on site (coming to you, instead of conducting it in a studio). Our goal is to put a story together that looks behind the numbers. The person(s) we interview will be speaking for herself, not on behalf of the group, but she will be emblematic of what a growing number of female combat veterans are experiencing. If you meet the criteria and don’t mind sharing your current situation (as difficult as it is) with a national audience, please contact me. Our deadline is ASAP.

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    Thank you so much,

    Bob

    Bob Kozberg

    Producer, CBS News

    Los Angeles Bureau

    (323) 575-3425 (office)

    [email protected]

  • tigger1

    Macky,
    thank you, I read your post in linked topic. as I mentioned – there may be reporting bias in selecting DNA studies according to your agenda. I would rather believe the majority opinion which does not favour Khazar origin.

  • marcus

    I’ve been reading a bit of George Orwell lately and he’s helped me see the light on a few things.

    Some of the bloggers on here often verbally/intellectually piss on others; they piss on them without a secound thought. You see, if you are ‘educated’ and the person who you are brow beating isn’t – wouldn’t the decent thing be to help them along with what they are trying to say. Try and understand them rather than berate or ignore them? Of course it would, but then you wouldn’t be able to claim any superiority over them would you. It’s all very well calling yourself a liberal, open-minded etc… It’s a very different thing to actually be it.

    I really wasn’t in the mood before, but if I can skip back to an earlier subject that of “black people becoming whiter…” Is it because of racism.. really? I guess you missed out on the 90s club scene, Milan’s influence on the fashion world- late 80s.. and other factors that existed outside the library. Most people want to be the same shade of brown, no-one (in a fashionable sense) wants to be too-white or too-black. That is as simple as that. Don’t look for “ism” round every turn. Or you’ll end up looking like a hypocritical prick like that lady who recently twittered a “racist” remark. YES she was being racist; she was being as racist as the many people who have been sacked throughout the UK for the very same thing. Racism is the feeling of superiority toward someone of another race… it’s not name calling! People like her provided us with this lopsided PC framework that only seems to shoot one way. Another example of the liberal-fascist.

    NOw- back to the present: US Marine Corp, British Paras and Marines all shock troops. When they are deployed to a battlefield it’s their duty to mix it up a bit. How can you possibly focus on such detail and condemn them as individuals. It’s war! I am certain every person on here has a connection to a familly member who has done the same or much worse in wartime. (They wouldn’t offer the info and you didn’t ask because we’re the good-guys right? YOu’re relative was an honest, decent person weren’t they?) The same people who piss on a corpse may not neceserally torture or rape.

    Please feel free to ignore or piss as you find.

  • marcus

    “The CBS Weekend News, which airs Saturday/Sunday evenings at 6:30 p.m. EST (5:30 p.m. CST/PST), is putting together a story about the high unemployment rate among female veterans, according to the latest numbers released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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    While there may be some explanations as to why the 22% rate is so alarmingly high, compared to the national average… even when all the explanations are factored in, the rate remains alarmingly high. What we’re looking for is to profile one or two women who have recently served in the military, who have seen combat, and who are continuing to have problems getting employment. What were your expectations upon returning home? What’s the reality been like? What is your sense of why returning vets are finding it disproportionately harder to get jobs? Is there an (unspoken) fear by potential employers of dealing with PTSD? Is it an (unspoken) concern about future redeployments?
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    We are producing this story out of Los Angeles, so our preference for interviews would be those who live west of the Rockies. We would do any interview on site (coming to you, instead of conducting it in a studio). Our goal is to put a story together that looks behind the numbers. The person(s) we interview will be speaking for herself, not on behalf of the group, but she will be emblematic of what a growing number of female combat veterans are experiencing. If you meet the criteria and don’t mind sharing your current situation (as difficult as it is) with a national audience, please contact me. Our deadline is ASAP. ”

    Have you seen some of the squaddies leaving the service??? Why don’t you employ them at your lovey-darling shop? Oh.. that’s right they’re too fucking crass and low-brow for you.. of course!!! Amazing 22% of women not able to get a job… it’s obvious society hates women. Of course. It’s all about gender discrimination isn’t it. A male is more likely than a female to be locked up, I think it’s 1 in 8 or maybe as high as 1 in 4 ex squaddies spend time in jail…. if most of them are men, could that be the reason the others find real employment? How does this 22% stand up? It looks like someone else is retro-fitting an idea to a reality. To prove what- that they are decent people fighting the good fight for the little guy. Or is it to earn money to buy a bigger wall to keep the barbarians out after they’ve used them for a story.

  • marcus

    Ooops. Formatting FUBAR

    Have you seen some of the squaddies leaving the service??? Why don’t you employ them at your lovey-darling shop? Oh.. that’s right they’re too fucking crass and low-brow for you.. of course!!! Amazing 22% of women not able to get a job… it’s obvious society hates women. Of course. It’s all about gender discrimination isn’t it. A male is more likely than a female to be locked up, I think it’s 1 in 8 or maybe as high as 1 in 4 ex squaddies spend time in jail…. if most of them are men, could that be the reason the others find real employment? How does this 22% stand up? It looks like someone else is retro-fitting an idea to a reality. To prove what- that they are decent people fighting the good fight for the little guy. Or is it to earn money to buy a bigger wall to keep the barbarians out after they’ve used them for a story.

  • marcus

    Note: I’m not a ‘troll’ and I don’t have an agenda, I found Mr Murray by chance and was impressed with his stance against torture. Torturing someone is as cowardly as hiding behind words or allowing another person to fight your battles for you.

    “During part of 1941 and 1942, when the Luftwaffe was busy in Russia, the German radio regaled its home audience with stories of devastating air raids on London. Now, we are aware that those raids did not happen. But what use would our knowledge be if the Germans conquered Britain? For the purpose of a future historian, did those raids happen, or didn’t they? The answer is: If Hitler survives, they happened, and if he falls they didn’t happen. So with innumerable other events of the past ten or twenty years. Is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion a genuine document? Did Trotsky plot with the Nazis? How many German aeroplanes were shot down in the Battle of Britain? Does Europe welcome the New Order? In no case do you get one answer which is universally accepted because it is true: in each case you get a number of totally incompatible answers, one of which is finally adopted as the result of a physical struggle. History is written by the winners.
    “As I Please,” Tribune (4 February 1944)

  • Fedup

    Dale Martin
    Rothschilds certainly had a huge influence and were pretty much largely instrumental in the establishment of a State of Israel in Palestine
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    A loyal little Ulster amid the Arab heartlands, that has been giving ever since its inception. This illegitimate state has arrested the development of humanity for far too long, making acceptable; barbarism, lawlessness, exceptionalism, violence, genocide, and brute force. There is not a day that goes by without a mention of extra judicial killings, plots of bombing campaigns, and probable wars and transgression promised and scheduled, and attributed to the “land without people”.
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    Just read the unconscious drivel excusing wars and desecrations of the dead, as well as shameless murder, how could we get to this moral abyss, and moral turpitude without the invented “land without people”, and application thereof?
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    You contend to let the Arabs sort it out. That would be a day indeed, and perhaps even the beginnings of a possible competitive free market, that could ring closer to the truth, as oppose to the current rhetorical homilies of “freedom” and faith based “free markets”.

  • Levantine

    ……But there is a rational analysis, and another one that posits cabals of evil jewish bankers led by the Rothschilds, who control pretty much everything. Dangerous nonsense. I met the then head (not sure if he still is around) of the whole Rothschild family, in Warsaw about 16 years ago. A very pleasant man,………..
    I find reasons to wonder what happened to the great family fortunes from a 100 years ago. In the 1920s, the Rothschilds’ wealth was said to have been ginormous, and that’s the latest news about it that I’ve come across. Forbes lists don’t reflect it. Presumably, it’s in foundations – philanthropic investments. Where do we see the results of those charitable activities? I haven’t studied this, I’m just asking.
    On the other hand, labeling people on the basis of family ties is horrible. But curiosity is warranted about vast human powers that vanish from public sight.

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