The Sandringham estate is a large expanse of countryside and easy to enter. The dumping of a body there in no sense entails any connection to the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg household. But I am baffled by the police claims that, despite repeated attempts, they cannot extract DNA from a body they say is only between one and four months old, not even from the teeth. That seems very strange. I hope news management is not at work in this delay in identification.
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Hat tip to Ingo here?
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http://g.co/maps/5uj6h
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‘Sandringham House is a country house on 8,000 hectares (20,000 acres) of land near the village of Sandringham[1] in Norfolk, England. The house is privately owned by the British Royal Family and is located on the royal Sandringham Estate, which lies within the Norfolk Coast Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty.’ Wikipedia
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A nice playground for the royals to practice their art of killing and blood sports.
If I was writing this story, the DNA would be Diana’s.
Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg,
Cheers for the laugh,
However, if the body has been subject to a huge temperature, then the probability of no DNA can be credible. Hence is there a body that is found, or is it ashes that have been found?
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I ask because I have not been following the case.
Since DNA can successfully be extracted and analysed when it is 11,000 years old (http://cbcb.umd.edu/) the time from death shouldn’t really make all that much difference. Either a cover-up or, more likely, another case of utter incompetence by the plods.
The only time I have seen the queen looking emotional was when this ship was taken out of commission.
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Royal Yacht Britannia’s list begins to rectify
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16440827
If it contains blue blood, which the Queen actually believes in, maybe it isn’t recognised by the DNA machine. Was that santa Claus I saw whizzing past on his way back home to Greenland?
oh, and when her gees gees win, she gets excited and animated.
why would they tell an obvious lie? no dna could be extracted, are there conditions where dna cannot be extracted ?
I don’t think it’s a question of not being able to “extract DNA” – it’s being able to collect suitable samples from which a DNA profile can be constructed.
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I’m no expert here, but I had understood that it takes longer – sometimes much longer – to construct a reliable DNA profile from older tissue, decomposed bodies etc. But I don’t know what sort of timeframes you’d expect in this case, but presumably if the corpse has been in the sticks for four months, never mind the location, it’s going to take a bit longer.
Larry:
“why would they tell an obvious lie?”
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Because it makes people ask, “Why would they tell an obvious lie?”
I guess that means that when Police check for DNA samples after murders, Rapes etc. they are only going through the motions die to the evidence being new?
I suspect not.
They have named two young women but there is also a 15 year old boy An Duc, who has been missing in Norfolk since Christmas. Of course being as they have named the sex of the victim it will not be An. I have done a search on corpses left in the elements for up to four months ( I really should get a life ) and unless the face has been eaten away by an animal a family member would still be able to recognize their loved one. According to the police both families have been informed..or should that be according to the propaganda put out by the British media ?
http://socialalertme.com/alerts/an-duc/1020.htm
Sounds like a case for Lord Peter Wimsey.
Why don’t they use that Instant-DNA-Analysis kit the Navy Seals used on Osama bin Laden before they threw him the sea? Oh, sorry, I forgot, it hasn’t been invented yet.
Worthhwhile point. Thanks for highlighting.
Off topic – wonder what you make of Richard Littlejohns lowdown today in The Daily Mail on cop journo relations. Up to a point its a breath of fresh air on a far from life enhancing topic and I am absolutely no R L fan.
Tonights BBC local news. PC soandso said that the DNA could not be extracted as the body has badly decomposed and that they will now undertake a different terst that takes some time, no approximate date given, off course.
A body dug into a shallow garve will decompose within 6 month, thats the experiences from bodyfarms. They have been established to do forensic research and help us undertsand how natural decomposition works.
If this body was not buried but just placed there and it is four month old then it is of a silicose consistency, almost mud. Its down to the dental work and bone DNA to be extracted.
Now I’m no biochemist or DNA researcher, but one of us might know someone who does know how long it takes to extract a readable DNA from a decomposing body.
This wafflin’ sounds like media management and whence the missiles rain down on Iran, it will be shit hot news with nothing else getting airtime, or something like it.
Wkipedia here links to Dr. Bass site and some of it might turn you off your tea…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tennessee_Anthropological_Research_Facility
BTW. If you click on Mary’s google reference above and look for
‘commodore wood’, follow Kings lane above it to the right, you will have to click the picture once to move east, at the next crossing, two fields on the map, looking like Adolfs moustaches are just to your right hand, you turn left and some 150 yards above that junction less than 1.5 miles from the property proper, the body of this poor girl was found.
Last news tonight is that they hope to know more in three days time.
“But I am baffled by the police claims that, despite repeated attempts, they cannot extract DNA”
You misrepresent what the police said.
“Detective Chief Inspector Jes Fry said the decomposed state of the body had complicated efforts to compile a DNA profile.
Samples were taken from the tooth, femur and muscle of the calf to test for a DNA profile. The first two sets of tests have not yet revealed a usable DNA Profile.
The meaning of this is obscure. Did they sample tooth, femur and muscle twice to get two sets of samples for testing, or did they test tooth and femur samples first, i.e., two sets of tests, before testing the muscle tissue?
But it is more difficult than you might think to isolate DNA from decomposing tissue heavily contaminated by microorganisms, which themselves have DNA, probably much more in this case than associated human tissue.
But in any case, the Det Chf Ins Fry evidently expects to achieve identification from a bone sample. Again the meaning is obscure. Is he referring to a DNA test? Probably, and in which case his apparent expectation of success seems reasonable since relatively undecayed material can probably be isolated from the bone of a person long diceased.
Det Chf Ins Fry said the next step was to carry out a different test on the bone, the results of which were expected back on Monday.
Question is though, how do they match the DNA if they have a sequence, to the owner. Do they have DNA of all missing persons?
KingofWelshNoir said: “….Instant-DNA-Analysis kit the Navy Seals….”,
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You just don’t want to admit, that is top secret shit, and cannot be in the hands of every Plod, Gum-shoe, and Bobbie whom have not been trained properly. Learning to clap and swallow the fish thrown at them concurrently takes a lot of training, and good solid stomach you know.
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DNA is just like anything else, and there is a polaroid for every occasion as you well know, now admit it, and fall behind your Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg, like everybody else.
Really, it would never do for victims of infanticide to be shown to have royal DNA in them. Whatever would commoners think? Why, it would bring down the house of Saxophone-Battenburg and replace it by Bagpipe-Dundee or even Morris-sticks-Kipling.
Abe Rene,
You will next claim Her maj farts and shits too! Stop being so silly and fall behind your Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg, like everybody else.
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Or go and live in China where they don’t have our queen! How are you gonna scoff any Battenburg cakes then?
Really, Craig? You’re “baffled”?
Were you “baffled” as well that Henry Paul didn’t LOOK drunk, and yet…
What a load of absolute tripe.
Maybe lizard DNA degrades quickly in Norfolk 😉
“in no sense entails any connection to the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg household.” Perhaps not but it’s as good a place to start as any. I’d certainly investigate a horde of blood-drinking, corrupt, criminal hobgoblins before I looked elsewhere.
Someone questioning ,are the Royals above the law and raising some good points on IF it were anyone else they would be questioned.
http://smileyculturelies.blogspot.com/2012/01/norfolk-dead-body-found-are-royals.html
Good morning. xx
http://smileyculturelies.blogspot.com/2012/01/sandringham-body-found-on-queens-estate.html
Video footage ,the American’s are really excited about it !
Maybe lizard DNA degrades quickly in Norfolk
Watch out Apostoli, this place is known to be frequented by a swarthy foulsmelling dragon who is attracted by just that smell.
The murdered body of a young girl/woman. Was she pregnant? How come this body has not been dealt with by the Norfolk coroner in order to find the cause of death and give it all the forensic attention necessarry? To make it sqeaky clear that nobody in the vicicnty of blue blood has had anything to do with it.
Then there is facial reconstruction etc. etc. they have the hair, know its length, hair takes very long to decompose, so they should come up with a near likeness and name soon, in the near future, most likely in a few days, just to make sure, we are expecting to hear….
Fedup: You sound as though you’ve had 1 2 many. That’s all right, goods ought to flow from the 1 2 the many. I prefer Dundee to Battenburg myself, so the change wouldn’t be a problem. As for going to China, I would have thought there were perfectly good Chinese restaurants in London.
@Apostoli
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‘Maybe lizard DNA degrades quickly in Norfolk’
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Yes, but it’s not that straightforward is it? According to David Icke the reptilians can shape-shift back into human form at critical moments, so you can never catch one. That’s how the Queen Mother managed to remain undiscovered for so long. I mean, who knew?
Going back to the DNA Database. I have just found a Wikileaks leaked document. I just could not understand why the might of the British Goverment gave this group of doctors so much support going as far as to hold back a paedophile witness statement relating to two of the doctors in the group. Information I would have thought to be vital when a child is missing. Portugal never had a chance to investigate the allegations, Gordon Brown saw to that !
The DNA database, by Jan 2007 was falling apart, by May 2007 we had an ‘alleged abduction’ and whoosh DNA database was all over the media. Gerry McCann insists to this day his daughter was taken by a paedophile ring AT the same time claiming there is no evidence she has come to any harm ! McCann ranted on that Portugal does not have a database for sex offenders. Place together the link I posted yesterday and this leaked document makes things so much clearer, I believe the McCanns are working with the Goverment .
http://madeleinemccannagenda.blogspot.com/2012/01/httpwww_07.html
And the body found in Sandringham brings up once again the question of DNA !
I don’t believe in lizards and repitles BUT I do believe the Devil is at work and we know they want ALL DNA from everyone.
One more point that I also find disturbing is this . Clarence Mitchell, is he an MI5 agent because a lot of talk that he is ? Why has Mitchell spent the past four years selling propaganda fake sightings of Maddie to the British media to keep the McCanns fund afloat ?
Also in England you are led to believe that the McCanns have been cleared, this is not true. The case has been shelved and the arguido status lifted. The McCanns can go tomorrow and ask for the case to be re-opened the reason they do not is because they will become arguido’s once more. David Cameron knows this !!!!! which is why his ‘review’ of the case is a lie…whats going on ?
Final PJ summary report… and as you can see the McCanns are still suspects in what the Portuguese police believe to be involved in the death of Madeleine AND this was also agreed by British police who worked hand in glove.
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We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
Not a lizard or a reptile but am sure David Icke would be interested in these findings. I am just curious as to the protection of a couple who seriously need to be questioned about their missing daughter.