The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Q 19 Nov, 2012 – 11:03 pm
“Could drones be armed with antique Swiss weapons?”
Only a loon, a real nutter like Donald Trump, would dare suggest our governments have invented Iron Flying Squirrels and armed them with antique Swiss weapons. It is to laugh, ha, ha, and I encourage all right-thinking fellow citizens to do so.
You think the Chicago mob has its own missile firing drones by now? Good for taking care of those who owe their bookie too much for too long. No messy body disposal either – dismemberment, transport, mixing cement.
@NR..thank you on seeing the words..here is the original. You are very correct, and thank you again, on both the delicatness of the watches and proper use. All my engineering friends wore lots of water proof and other gizmos at that time. I am surprised also..they are moving heavy things while wearing the expensive watches, but that is remotely possible. Wished the forensics extended to these pictures to determine exif data and other things to see if they had been altered in some way.
I noted also that picture frame under Gary Akkads arm..so took a closer look what i could extract or enhance
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/SAADALHILLIWITHGARYAKEDin1997.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/saad-homepicture.jpg
you tell me what that looks like but is that Fearless Leader on the left?
Since I dont have originals perhaps we can go long way around to match the weather to their clothing and light for 12 04 1997 datestamp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7zFP_8RhoU
Hard to make out what the bloke is bloody saying D
Day was generally overcast.not bright like the pic…frosty rainy in that that part of country..
Akaad seems under dressed in that Manly T shirt..
On SuperComputers & Video Games
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/13/cray-claims-the-fastest-supercomputing-crown-with-the-nvidia-powered-titan/
Cray Claims The Fastest Supercomputing Crown With The NVIDIA-Powered Titan
The basic architecture of Titan is a CPU-GPU hybrid. The system contains 18,688 nodes, with each node containing an AMD 16-core Opteron and a NVIDIA Tesla K20X GPU accelerator. That’s a total of 560,640 processors. [200 racks of equipment. It would not fit in SAH’s shed in Claygate*.]
It’s fascinating to me that a technology that was initially developed to improve video games – GPUs – may now hold the key to making supercomputers faster than might have been imaginable just a decade ago. And the benefits of supercomputing touch virtually every industry.
The lesson here? Keep playing video games. You’re making the world a better place.
Who would have thought a few years back that video games would drive technology now employed in SuperComputers – used for nuclear and weather simulations and for GCHQ & NSA spy stuff.
Let’s see, two gaming software experts, murdered in the most bizarre fashion, one at Alderney Street the other at Boulevard Decarie.
The latter meeting the basic requirements of ritual murder: ice-pick to nape of neck; neck severed but spine initially uncut; dismemberment; just a hint of cannibalism; owls on tees. Not enough blood though, and way more than 47 subsequent stab wounds, or perhaps not if we subtract the red Magic Marker fakies.
Smurfs & Schtroumpfs tangentially involved too. The Illuminati, Masons, Golden Dawn and Crowley could not have known of those symbols.
*Clay = a Masonic material. Isn’t there something in the Bible about Clay Idols or am I mixing that up with a Golden Calf or feet of clay?
@ Sys 20 Nov, 2012 – 2:45 am
“I noted also that picture frame under Gary Akkads arm..so took a closer look what i could extract or enhance:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/SAADALHILLIWITHGARYAKEDin1997.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/sys_config/saad-homepicture.jpg
“you tell me what that looks like but is that Fearless Leader on the left?”
Which Fearless Leader? Obama, Bush the Elder or the Younger, Saddam? On the first look I saw Lenin in the front and after staring a bit Stalin standing behind him and after looking more… an Owl behind Stalin! The Imperial Owl or the BOP Owl!
I even looked at pics of Lenin and Stalin from the early days and it’s definitely them. Seriously, I think we are seeing the Jesus on a tortilla effect, and I don’t think what’s under Gary’s arm is a picture, but the back side of a piece of furniture with some covering – a place to hide valuable works of art or secret documents. 🙂
Good point about them not removing expensive watches to move furniture. I remove or at least turn inside my wrist my cheap rubber watch when doing such things, to not scratch the face.
More on video games and unexpected hi-tech applications, this one forensics. Same type devices used in surveying, mining, etc. I put this at MZT before:
There is a new technique used by some police, where they take a laser scan of the crime scene, recorded by a special camera. It gives angle and distance to each point. The recording goes to one of the video game companies or a university specializing in that, where it’s converted into 3D images that investigators, and eventually the jury, can move around in.
The scan takes two hours and works best when the crime scene is untouched. Therefore, with a fresh crime scene, investigators decide on a trade-off of preserving the scene for a scan or losing some info like body temp or bio degradation.
I’m wondering if that’s why police in France have a standing order to freeze everything, and if they brought the laser scanner from Paris?
http://www.isgtw.org/feature/feature-i-see-crime-scenes
http://www.maptek.com/products/i-site/i-site_forensic.html
🙂
I really would like to see Jesus on a tortilla, or even a piece of toast. I’m glad it wasn’t the backside of something else, or Gary’s underarm.
Sys
12-04-97 is most likely april 12 1997.
Those cameras display dd-mm-yy as it is the usual order of a date on the european continent and in the middle east. That photo hasn’t been created with an american camera.
See that Israel’s Police Commissioner Micky Rosenfeld – the former covert operator who helped the Mossad carry out its assassination program after 9/11, especially in Britain – is now explaining away the massacre program of the Palestinians in the wake of the Hershkovitz fiasco – what got Sam Rosenfeld involved in trying to shut me up by making threats to bloggers about my posts so much that they took them down, and by making empty ones about suing me.
The Bibi government clearly thinks that if it just keeps killing, it can cover up anything, as Obama is in no mood to get its supporters, especially former DCI General David Petraeus, for trying to get rid of him at the polls because he wasn’t going enough for Israel.
Hitler’s Nazis must be green with envy in their graves now because of what their leading victims are getting away with these days.
The al-Hillis et al. are simply gone and forgotten, like all of the previous Mossad victims.
Sys you did the weather forecast for the wrong day 12/4/97 here is 12th April hence the t-shirt
@Q
Thanks for the Indy update. But it can’t be a gas explosion can it? They just don’t look like that at all, and we have lots of examples..
Sorry BB got there first, I should refresh
On Shelock’s Houston murder of Gelareh Bagherzadeh,
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-19/houston-murder-mystery/55752202/1
Though there are why she was a target on her own merits, I think the place to look is her father’s patents pending and lawsuit:-
http://news.priorsmart.com/hrd-v-bagherzadeh-l3Ri/
How to stop the father or make them ‘toe the line’ – kill the daughter
Shelock 10-07
That murder has such a familiar ring about it, note the wheels still spinning:
“Officers found her slumped over the steering wheel of her car outside a nearby garage door, the car’s front wheels still spinning, says Padilla, the investigator in the case. Her assailant fired four shots through the passenger-side window. One of them struck Bagherzadeh in the head, killing her instantly, he says.”
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-19/houston-murder-mystery/55752202/1
Same here Straw !
wrong location given at 19.11.2012 11.28pm. apologies for that. (Maliki bribe)
http://translate.google.com.iq/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aklamkom.com%2Fvb%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D49652
Don’t have time to post much these days, but am following with interest.
Can someone remind me, what happened to the opposition in the Gaza strip?
Great post by olifant yesterday. He has tracked down Sylvain’s siblings. It could be great to get some photos of them — this could give us an impression of how he looks –, and there is a remote possibility that photos exists with all of them together:
Alain Mollier, eldest brother
Mado Rinaldo, his sister
He also mentions:
Francois Mollier and
Christophe Mollier, both from Ugine
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See also post on Icke.
As I recall, the Gaza opposition to Hamas is Fatah, but once the Mossad got rid of Yasser Arafat, it lost the struggle for power in the Gaza Strip because of its capitulation to the Israelis in the West Bank.
Arafat was poisoned by polonium-210 in his food – just the way that Meir Dagan’s Mossad got rid of blabbermouth Alexander Litvinenko when he had sandwiches with that Sidelnikov on Oxford Street, the day before he was allegedly poisoned.
It takes a while for the poison to make itself known to the victim.
Litvinenko was threatening to blackmail everyone in sight over the last stages of the Cold War, especially Romano Prodi’s spying for the KGB, and the Anglo-Americans assassinating Olof Palme to trigger its non-nuclear conclusion.
Killing is the way to solve all of today’s serious power problems, as Israel and its toadies are proving every day.
“Image of Saad al Hilli during the oil-for-food program” {merely a caption below a pic, no other details)
http://www.alraimedia.com/Article.aspx?id=390293&searchText=سعد الحلي&date=05112012
Some other thoughts while catching up yesterday…
@Tim V
Thanks for the paras, much more readable!
🙂
@Bluebird
2 Brett Martins? Quite possibly. Lee Oswald + Harvey Osawald = Lee Harvey Oswald. Vertically-split ID photo (with one half of each face), a la Tim Osman / Jean Charles de Menezes.
@Tim V
The fact that the French have suggested the tyre marks impossibly relate to the BMW and that Mollier’s was too, is proof positive theirs is not merely crass incompetence but intentional misrepresentation.
Well to be completely fair to Maillaud, he has said he’s not giving stuff away in order not to jeopardise the investigation. Perhaps also he’s giving misinformation for the same reason? I can’t believe they are really that incompetent (though I can and do believe they would lie/hide for a variety of reasons).
@NR
Even if someone had “convincing proof” that 9/11 was an inside job
What do you mean “if”??? There is plenty of convincing proof that 9/11 was an inside job. Take just one tiny example, the video evidence of bombs in the basements of WTC 1 and 2, and the cover-up of that in the MSM.
@Bleb
What more could the killer(s) have done for this to have been “well done”?
Well said. But perhaps Maillaud is hiding stuff to protect the investigation – or trying to goad the killer(s) into showing their hand?
@James
As for the “terrorist”. Yes, I believe they were onboard.
But how would they have got on board without appearing on the flight manifests?
Where are/were the pax ? Onboard I guess.
Or they could have been offloaded… I believe Flight 11 disappeared from radar for a short time, during which it could have been substituted with a drone.
The vehicle [JFK’s limo] had stopped giving plenty of time for a single shooter to reload, aim and fire. There was no “magic bullet”.
Indeed. No need for a magic bullet when you have triangulation of fire, and the volley of shots heard by most witnesses in Dealey Plaza. Shots from in front were the reason the car halted – and it is this they had to conceal.
And almost all eye-witnesses reported the car stopping, or almost stopping, so the film is clearly a fake from that perspective, never mind the photographic evidence.
The chap you are talking about is Jack White – he does some great films available for free on the internet, the dissection of the Zapruder Film is most revelatory.
@NR
A question I’ve always wanted to ask of someone who knows the JFK conspiracies. There must have been many people taking still photos along the route. Is there a library of these pics or were they all confiscated?
Most were confiscated.
@James
Maybe that’s why they pulled “number 3? from WT7. Three hits would just be laughable. Who knows.
Number 3 was shot down by gung-ho pilot ignoring orders (or without orders). Problemo for TPTB. But they demolished WTC7 anyway, WTF.
I don’t even consider “The Pentagon” one was a plane. I ignore that one.
Cruise missile. Nacelle fits too.
@Straw44berry
Do you think its possible that someone was flying a simulator to do it and they were actually without knowing flying the real planes remotely using the simulator?
Yes, absolutely this is possible. See for example http://911review.com/means/remotecontrol.html
@James
The car can only be stuck, if it was trying to move forwards and was unable to. But WBM said it was in reverse, that’s why he had to break the shattered window, to turn the engine off.
Well spotted! So obvious now that you say it.
🙂
@NR
I’m wondering if that’s why police in France have a standing order to freeze everything
They do? Since when? I understood this was a highly unusual request… and the 8hr wait was exceptional.
Yeah, Litvinenko was poisoned in 2006, and Arafat died suddenly in 2004. It’s a very Israeli thing to want to be first with the latest, but they would be unlikely to repeat it in 2006, because that got everybody talking about Polonium, to an extent that the real reasons for Arafat demise now is being investigated by a French Team and a Swiss Team.
It is new to me that Mossad should be behind the poisoning of Litvinenko. All the talk has from the start been that it was the Russians who poisoned him. Could you provide some evidence to back up your claim that Mossad killed Litvinenko?
@NR
A question I’ve always wanted to ask of someone who knows the JFK conspiracies. There must have been many people taking still photos along the route. Is there a library of these pics or were they all confiscated?
Most [of the interesting/incriminating ones] were confiscated. There are some photos, of course, but I don’t think anywhere near enough to reconstruct the scene in 3D as you are suggesting. Interesting idea, though…
@ Q 20 Nov, 2012 – 6:04 am
I really would like to see Jesus on a tortilla, or even a piece of toast. I’m glad it wasn’t the backside of something else, or Gary’s underarm.”
Glad to oblige. Genuine miracles on tortillas, toast and other surfaces. Tortillas images are common. Is that ’cause hispanics are more devout, or is there a scientific explanation in that tortillas do better crisp marks, open to visual interpretation?
http://beforeitsnews.com/religion/2011/07/jesus-sightings-in-food-and-walls-in-pictures-845729.html
Beware of cheap imitation miracles, they also have an example at the bottom of slices made with:
“Toast from the ‘Jesus Toaster’, a two-slice $35 (£21) toaster made by Burnt Impressions”
Oh right, yes, Fatah. Are Fatah still there? I thought I heard somewhere that they all got kicked out or assassinated by Hamas after they seized power… when were the last elections? And how many non-Hamas members are in the government?
So, this was carried out by a lone nutter after all. Does everyone here buy this story? Have the French police explained why they waited a month before they set up a helpline and appealed for witnesses? Is this thread still full of rent-a-spooks/hacks/shills?
Here is a link about Andrei Sidelnikov apparently killing Litvinenko:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/04/russia1
In reading it, remember polonium-210 does not make its presence known immediately in the body – takes a day or two for its defenses to break down.
Litvinenko was a ‘ticking bomb’ when he went to the meeting where his tea was allegedly poisoned.
The other thing to make note of is that Sidelnikov’s best friend – who had helped him organize the Pora movement against Putin – was the son of the first double agent brought down by Litvinenko, Ames, Hanssen el al. in 1985, Adolf Tolkachev.
The son wanted Alexander dead because of what had happened to his father.
And the Mossad has used the method more than twice – e.g., Israeli agent Ivan Romanov tried to get me to drink some polonium-210 in a toast for an alleged book deal about then, but I refused to drink.
The biggest killers these days are the alleged counterterrorists
– just get them on board, and you can get away with killing anyone.
The Brits are addicted to it, so long as the Russians can be implicated in it.
It’s called Scarlett’s revenge.
@Blue_Bear
No, no, and yes.
Unfortunately you have to buy the latest issue to read the article…
🙁
@ Ferret 20 Nov, 2012 – 9:11 am
“@Bluebird – 2 Brett Martins? Quite possibly. Lee Oswald + Harvey Osawald = Lee Harvey Oswald. Vertically-split ID photo (with one half of each face), a la Tim Osman / Jean Charles de Menezes.”
In the off-topic case of “The Dude” in Montreal, there are shopped pics and faked vids to frame him for 1, 2, or 3 crimes. Or he went to extraordinary lengths to frame himself. Also a possibility of a Doppelgänger, suggested on Icke way back.
“@NR – Even if someone had “convincing proof” that 9/11 was an inside job. What do you mean “if”??? There is plenty of convincing proof that 9/11 was an inside job. Take just one tiny example, the video evidence of bombs in the basements of WTC 1 and 2, and the cover-up of that in the MSM.
That’s the problem, there are so many individual pieces of evidence of a conspiracy that in total it seems improbable. Did the conspirators themselves plant some of these conspiracy tales to confuse? The one I’d buy into is a missile at the Pentagon, but even there it means they had a team ready to scatter the correct type of airplane wreckage on the lawn.
Bringing down the WTC with explosives and the Thermite residue raises the question of why did they need to do that? Wouldn’t 2 planes into the top of the towers be enough?
“@NR – I’m wondering if that’s why police in France have a standing order to freeze everything
They do? Since when? I understood this was a highly unusual request… and the 8hr wait was exceptional.”
I recall reports early on, when the media made a major stink over the smallest girl not found for hours, “somebody” said that in France police procedure was to freeze crime scenes until forensic investigators arrived.
Not they wouldn’t rescue people, but where victims were obviously dead. Don’t know how they determined that for sure without opening the car, unless the victims had such extensive head damage they could not be alive. Then where is blood and gore in pics of car?
The 8 hour delay was what was extraordinary, what with bringing a team from Grenoble and/or Paris (plus the “military looking” people and the British embassy people).