The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Family links of William Leo Herskovitz for TROY.
In fact, the father of William Leo is apparently in Florida when I haven’t made an error, but obituaries are pretty good for linking a family. I would say that those links below are 95% accurate and there might be a link from the Herskovitz to 9/11 charity Mr.Yaffa via that Florida lawyer Herskovitz:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/poughkeepsiejournal/obituary.aspx?pid=160499657#fbLoggedOut
William Leo Herskovitz
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9503EFDD1F3AF932A25755C0A9649D8B63
grandgrandfather of William Leo
{http://biochemistry.ucsf.edu/labs/herskowitz/Herskowitz_joel.html
uncle of William Leo
{http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v424/n6947/full/424384a.html
grandfather of William Leo
{http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Allan_Herskowitz.html
Father of William Leo
{Here are William Leo Herskowitz favourite photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38926503@N08/
Perhaps we can link the Herskovitz family to the Kelley family (al Khawam), too. There is one of the Herskovitz sisters in that obituary with an Arab(!!) name today.
James
DELTA did somehow “escape” from the terrorist’s agenda …..
More on Hershkowitz for TROY
Risa Wolfzahn, his mother, has a facebook page and a twitter account. On facebook there is she on a photo with her late son.
Here is her linkedIN profile. Perhaps TROY could do something with her professional linked people.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/risa-wolfzahn/44/6a3/8b
Here is her facebook account:
http://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=Risa+Wolfzahn&init=public#!/risa.wolfzahn
Perhaps you can do something with her friends links?
@Kempe
The WTC was not the first or only steel framed buildings to collapse as a result of fire
Oh really? Do tell. What were the other ones?
This is the Risa Wolfzahn facebook profile. Check her friends:
http://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=Risa+Wolfzahn&init=public#!/risa.wolfzahn
I believe on that cover photo there she is with her late son.
There is one guy who doesn’t really fit to her other friends amongst her fecaebook friends:
http://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=Risa+Wolfzahn&init=public#!/karlton.d.jones
TROY?
“Which of the various ‘witnesses’ said the sapeurs-pompiers (mistranslated as the ‘fire brigade’) passed them on their way up the valley, because they’d heard about the incident on their radios?”
@ Mochyn69
21 Nov, 2012 – 8:58 What if the Sapeurs-Pompiers never did get an official 999 call (or what ever it is in French lol)? What if they ACTUALLY overheard radio communication between the killers and their controllers? Now that might explain a lot.
“The turns that were presented as the turns that the aircraft made, are not possible in an aircraft of that size…
Add to that,IF the aircraft survived, how was the pilot coping with the “ground effect” as he flew along at the height it is claimed he was at ?”
The 270 degree turn of Flight 77 took 2.5 minutes. The loading has been calculated at 0.6g (I’ll run through the calculation if you like) this is well within the design limit of 2g. It’s not the stuff of modern fighter aircraft which are rated 9g.
The ground effect would created a cushion of air under the aircraft which would’ve helped the pilot avoid ploughing into the ground before he reached the Pentagon although the idea that this cushion is impossible to breakthrough is a myth. There wouldn’t be quite so many crashes if it weren’t.
Don’t the press have any “inside” sources any more. One inside Sapeurs Pompiers wouldn’t go amiss.
Shelock H.
21 Nov, 2012 – 10:20 am I raised before the issue as to whether WBM took photos either with camera or phone. We certainly know he had latter and i wud imagine he’d have blackberry or other top of the range with built in camera. He says he tried his phone so be very easy to take snaps. They wud be important evidence. maybe thats why he hasn’t mentioned them? then we know from Maillaud that the Sapeurs took photos inside and outside the car. Not much mention of them either.
NR You are so modest! 😀 There are no small parts in this grand play.. ..just small actors..to paraphtase Billy ..:)
@Kempe
Part 1/2
These would be the “bombs” in the basement that exploded two hours before the towers collapsed from the top down? How did that work?
No, they would not. They would be the bombs that were exploding in the basements of the twin towers as people were evacuating.
Many witnesses described the aircraft as an American airlines jet.
Yes, some did, but a some also described the aircraft as a small passenger jet. Hard to mistake a large airliner for a small passenger jet, wouldn’t you think? Perhaps there was both an airliner and a missile in the vicinity? Some theorise that the airliner overflew the Pentagon while the cruise missile slammed into it. Not sure I believe that one but still.
A lot of wreckage including engines and undercarriage parts which are large and heavy were found inside the Pentagon not to mention the flight recorders and remains of the passengers.
No, there were no engines found in the Pentagon – at least, not passenger jet ones. Only part of one that would fit a cruise missile.
And why was the cockpit voice recorder “blank”? Those things are virtually indestructible.
How were these smuggled into place under the noses of several dozen witnesses?
Nothing outside the Pentagon is particularly convincing… and anything inside the Pentagon could easily have been placed before the media were let in.
The turn made by the aircraft was well within it’s abilities, just not the way airliners are normally flown.
No again, as our pilot friend James says. In any event the main problem for me with Flight 77 at the Pentagon is “where is the plane”?
Its wings and engines should be outside the building on the lawn but they’ve disappeared. And there are no wing-shaped holes in the building through which they could have entered. So where are they?
More to follow…
@Kempe
Part 2/2
A normal domestic/office fire can easily reach 800 to 1,000 C sufficient to weaken steel by 90%.
Interesting, where do you get this data from? In any case, with the fire almost out in WTC2 (the fire dept said they could put it out with just two hoses, remember) and smouldering with lots of black soot visible but no flames, it was clearly an oxygen-starved fire – hardly a raging inferno.
By contrast:
The architect has admitted that he never accounted for an aircraft impact and a fire.
Well ain’t that just peachy.
Contrast with:
And
All three buildings that collapsed on 9/11 suffered structural damage before the fire.
Two from aircraft, one from falling debris that took out one corner; always a weak point.
Yet other buildings which suffered far worse damage did not fall down. And how exactly would damage at one corner enable WTC7 to collapse straight into its own footprint (just after Larry Silverstein told the fire fighters to “pull it”)? Ho hum.
The previous fire at the WTC was not serious, it was mainly confined to one area on one
floor but spread up a cable conduit, that’s all. In the conspiracy version this is used to
give the impression that a raging inferno engulfed several floors!
Oh yes, “that’s all”. Ho hum again.
Here’s what the NY Times said about that 1975 fire in the WTC:
Kempe…
“The ground effect would created a cushion of air under the aircraft which would’ve helped the pilot avoid ploughing into the ground before he reached the Pentagon”.
Off course. Damn, why didn’t I think of that.
And there was I thinking that when he felt the aircraft becoming “unstable” and responding in a way he wasn’t expecting or had experienced previously, he wouldn’t have dumped the nose violently.
Then again, he must have been a very very good pilot as he reacted in the way he did… as the cockpit enviroment must have been “thick” with alarms/alerts/bells/verbal warnings etc !
Ridiculous.
It’s crackers to even thick he could get as far as a low level approach without crash.
Olifant
21 Nov, 2012 – 1:12 pm It almost sounds as if you are playing devil’s advocate or is it French apologist? I don’t think I have the energy now to take issue with your timings and sequencing which appears designed to cope with the anomolies. You do seem to be party to information that is not generally available as far as I am aware (i.e. the Sunday rerun) or is that just my imagination?
@NR
No worries.
🙂
This link is also an interesting starting place…
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_fire.htm
When you have a spare week or two, dig in!
🙂
Incidentally, the graphic on the right of that page is from the BBC, and I clearly remember seeing it the day or so after the attack. I remember being surprised by how small the internal columns were, and how slender and feeble they looked.
I was shocked to discover much later that those internal steel cores were actually about four times bigger than depicted, and were immensely strong. I wonder who supplied that image to the BBC, and so quickly?
Another thing that stuck in my mind was the neat phrase “the towers’ ultimate collapse was inevitable, as the steel cores inside them reached temperatures of 800C”.
I was shocked when I later discovered that many steel-framed skyscrapers had burned, sometimes for many hours, and had not collapsed. And that even WTC itself had had a major fire in 1975, which burned over 10 floors, and in which 28 fire fighters were injured from the intense heat and smoke. And it hadn’t “inevitably” collapsed then, either.
So who pushed these stories to the BBC so soon after the event? And why did the BBC not publish any “counter” info such as the other buildings that had burned, with raging infernos for many hours, but had not collapsed?
All very very odd. The phrase “pre-planned” comes to mind.
To cap it all, if you re-watch the videos of the towers destruction, you will realise that they are not “collapsing” at all, it’s just that we have just been brainwashed by the MSM into using this term to describe it.
In fact, what we are witnessing is that they are being blown up. Parts fly off upwards and sideways, huge chunks weighing hundreds of tons, and right from the top down. How could this happen under a gravity-fed collapse? It could not.
Further, fire fighters later reported that everything had been pulverised, turned to powder. Apart from the steel, the largest piece they found was half a telephone. How could this have happened under a gravity-fed collapse? It could not.
As you say, so much to ponder, so much to take in… and it all points away from the official story…
@James
Don’t worry, Kempe has a rational explanation for everything irrational!
The “clean team” has clearly been hard at work since I last looked on the web, preparing pat explanations for all the hard bits about 9/11…
Next they will try tell us that 100-ton chunks of steel and concrete can fly upwards due to the force of gravity.
I can hardly wait.
Just one example Olifant
21 Nov, 2012 – 1:12 pm “WBM left home as usual in the afternoon at 2.30pm and had been out for an hour and a half at the time he was cycling the climb up the Valley – a climb which normally took 30 mins.”
If WBM started an hour and a half ride at 2.30 he couldn’t have got to Martinet until 4.00 pm. That’s ALREADY 12 mins. past the earliest call and before he’s checked and moved Zainab, checked and moved Mollier, gone around car smashed window and turned off engine, checked occupants that side, back round the car checked occupant that side, tried to phone and couldn’t, back to Zainab decide what to do, mount bike, cycle 3/400 yards, meet Didierjean, explain in pigeon English what had happened BEFORE Didierjean could ATTEMPT to phone (not that he necessarily was able to until later when they came down from the valley.
So are you really saying that you think Martin got to Martinet at 4 pm and did all that but still somehow managed to place the call at 3.48 pm?
by the time, I think, there’s not only one elephant in the room- there’s a whole herd of elephants – having some kind of a party… with drugs, rock’n roll….
( uuuppsss… not forgeting: sex… 😉
The French would most propably say : une cage aux folles
Good nite @ all
BTW: .. what a pity, we all don’t for the work we’re doing here
sorry, for my typo:
“”” … BTW: What a pity, we all don’t GET PAID for the work we’re doing here …”””
🙂
The late herskovitz has two iranian cousins. iranian jews?
Tara and nita makhmali living in the usa.
i search for makhmali and there is a lot on iranian sites in connection to mossad, but i believe that makhmali is also an iranian word for something else and perhaps irrelevant. but herskovitz has 2 iranian cousins! Wow!
http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/questions-professor-mammad-regarding-niac-cia-and-american-funding
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nikamakhmali
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tara-makhmali-pmp/31/689/937?_mSplash=1
http://registry.weddingchannel.com/coupledir/20129/F/O579418832/EVAN_FENSTERSTOCK_AND_TARA_MAKHMALI.htm
Bluebird…
Interesting, the cousin thing. As in “family”.
If you’re Iranian and you want to visit “family” in America, you can’t pop to the US embassy in Tehran. There isn’t one.
You go to Dubai.
There the U.S. embassy like Iranians coming in.
It gives them a chance for “a chat” !
The “chat for visa” programme !
Shelock
“The French would most propably say : une cage aux folles”
No, they would say…
1. Lets question the family
If that fails
2. It was an old Swiss army pistol/rifle
and then
3. We think it was a random attack.
It’s kind of a “theme” !!!!
those tandems more likely hired locally. too big to carry even on roof rack i should think. this might have hit on something important . the fillon builders remembered girl (Zainab?) in front seat. Did they remember luggage holder on the roof? Was it back at the caravan? If not was it TAKEN by the killers ripping off one of the bearers in the process. Was there important stuff in there that they knew was there and they were desperate to get their hands on? It’s possible.
Shelock H.
21 Nov, 2012 – 1:53 pm see above
James
I guess that they are iranian jews. That exists more often than you would think.
Interesting find:
The law offices of David Khawam (brother of jill kelley) and Jeffrey Herskovitz are in the same street only 10 minutes by car in N J.
Maybe just coincidence.
http://www.yellowusapages.com/nj/category-ad/2103.html
Check google maps!
So can we assume that the Khawams were Israeli assets due to their jewish lawyer?
But who is Broadwell then?
Another opposed side or obama’s american counter terror expert to supervise patraeus contacts?
I said once ago that her real name “Kranz” is german and sounds eastern german (former GDR). Ex Stasi or russian asset?
Honestly, in a movie she would fit perfectly as the russian spy character…. 🙂
Bluebird…
You know Jill’s twin, Natalie Kharwam.
Well her ex Grayson P Wolfe was a deputy of Paul Bremer !
You remember Bremer. Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.
But Bremer is quite amazing. You’ll never guess where his office is…I mean was ! Yep ! He was there !
Well, that’s the funny thing. On 9/11 he wasn’t there, he was in the T.V. newsrooms giving interviews saying “it’s Al Q”
Fuuny ole world !
James
Iranian jews. History and present. Very interesting stuff.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#section_9
Iranian jews usually marry iranian jews only. So then, when the two iranians are jews then the herskovitz family should be iranian jews, too.
I strongly believe that the Khawams are so called “crypto jews”. That would make a lot of sense in that whole picture. Crypto jews could easily be official christians or even muslims. However, herskovitz are most likely iranian jews or else the iranian jews wont marry them.
Bluebird…
Here’s Paul !
He should have been at work on the day of 9/11.
His office was the impact zone in the South Tower.
But instead he wasn’t there.
He was here ! On the news !
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2pW6WZhZrQ )
Jill’s sisters ex, was one a deputy of Pauls. (did he get a badge ?)
I bet dinner parties were fun round at their place.
All chatting about “war n stuff” !
Yes she would , while on topic of Russians
The florida area is being invested heavily by them.
Nice platform to observe command and control
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49899197
On an aside I just need a yes or no, Is this the attorney Abiodun
If it is that is a great one..
http://33knowledge.com/barristers/john-black-qc/
John was charged with obtaining a pre-paid credit card using the name Andrew Craig on 14 August to load with money from Hilli’s HSBC account.
He is also accused of obtaining a Bank of America credit card in the name of Hilli between 6 September – the day after he was killed – and 11 September.
The other charges in relation to the murdered engineer are for allegedly trying to gain control of his HSBC bank account, and attempting to open accounts in his name at Royal Bank of Scotland and Amazon.
Rodney Jones, and obtain a pre-paid credit card as Peter Mead.
..the names like Andrew Craig don’t appear to be made up.
http://thirdring.wordpress.com/south-florida-aviation/
Pilots around Lakeland must have heard the gossip.