The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Well Tim it does seem by the end that the Pajerno was in fact being sought, I assume the Telegraph followed through on that one as it shows they were confused about the conflicting information they were getting ,of course it doesn’t mean it was connected to the murder but there does seem to have been witness reports showing the Pajerno in the area at the time.
Straw44berry
24 Nov, 2012 – 5:55 pm “I think your shooting scenario works if you believe its a mad tourist hating gunman, but not if we believe that SAH had something they wanted. If Zainab was injured and/or shot I believe that is only as a leverage for the …flash drive/papers/you choose. If they were willing to injure her why not kill her and stop her id’ing the shooter.”
I think my scenario works if the orders stipulated all adults to be “terminated” or “neutralised” in euphemisms popular with military types but either didn’t cover children, or specified no children or military code stopped at children. It would equally cover situation that included retrieval of objects including possibly a roof container as part of it. What it positively DOESN’T fit is the mad lone killer who would not have spared a child. Then we had the ridiculous suggestion this was because the shooter ran out of bullets. As to your last question leaving aside Zeena (though there is every chance the killers knew she was there and may even have seen her inside before she hid) a seven year old is not great threat. Even adults prove unreliable witnesses to traumatic events let alone a young child who has been under induced coma for days and then kept separated from familiar family for weeks and very susceptible to suggestion. What do we know of the circumstances of the two children apart from the family protests they were denied access?
Didn’t I post a link a while back about a vest worn under clothing by special ops, police, etc.? It can be worn under body armor. This type of vest monitors heartbeat, pulse and respiration. If there is an anomaly, it sends a radio signal immediately to whoever is monitoring the asset. Yes, they’re called assets by the people that manufacture these vests.
@NR: Interesting about the military men who got in trouble for co-operating with makers of a video game, and now the virtual Petraeus appearing in one.
Sorry Katie
24 Nov, 2012 – 6:10 pm Its just that you appear to be trying rather hard to find alternative implausible explanations to get Maillaud off his Martin 3.48 hook. I don’t doubt it’s possible to make an emergency call without speaking but only if you can get reception. I have no idea whether any networks have reception at Martinet but the omens are not good are they? It’s mountainous and in a valley and several indicate they didn’t have a signal. Anyway if you are right don’t you think Mailland would have corrected by now? Undoubtedly the system will know and could be easily produced. So why has this matter not been settled months ago?
Sorry Tim my fault I meant the 30 seconds of gunfire rat-tat-tat sounds like liberal spraying of bullets or firing them all at once to simulate rather than having to go to 4 seperate positions to shoot 2 into the heads of the adults, 3 in the windscreen, 5 in SM. That doesnt create 30 seconds or gunfire, maybe several bursts of gunfire and I would be ok with the witness. Gunfire is commonplace too in these hills.
I just have so few witnesses statements that agree with the crime scene or times from BM, the Police.
The whole thing is just like Hollywood but exactly how many takes did it require to come up with this ‘Fairytale.’
Probably worth an entry here:-
http://www.omg-facts.com/view/Facts/3467
Tim there’s nothing wrong with trying to find alternatives by not doing so you close your mind to other possibilities , I have never argued Maillaud’s timing other than it may not be the truth…… & do catch up, see further postings re: phones.
This is exciting!
Benjamin Franklin is a direct ancestor of topless FBI agent Frederick Ward Humphries.
In the Atchinson Daily Globe there is an article from July 14th 1887 when Mrs. Ward Humphries, the great granddaughter of Benjamin Franklin, saved the life of another girl.
Following her Illionois family link, we can see that Frederick Ward Humphries is is the great granson of Mrs. Ward Humphries.
Mr. Frederick Ward Humphries is a direct descendant of Benjamin Franklin!!!!
There are no files about him living in Canada. He was born in Illinois as a son of Reverend Ward (edward) Humphries. From 1988 he lived in Tampa. However, he has a dozen different addresses since then, too.
A laudible aim James
24 Nov, 2012 – 7:24 pm. I am coming from the same place and exasperated by the press’ gullibility and failure to challenge the official version with all its contradictions. Where is the Washington post when you need it? I think it would be a useful exercise to tabulate all of them.
Well done Bluebird, still at it,every time I come here I see you’ve unearthed another set of names !
I want to point something out in the shirtless FBI guy photo. The torsos are shot. The heads are shot.
Police officers are taught not to shoot unless they’re in a life or death situation. Then they are to shoot the torso. Logic: shoot the body mass, not the limbs or head. This increases the chance of demobilizing the target.
@BB: Stepfather’s occupation? An article said that FH’s mother was living in Illinois with her husband. It didn’t say Mr. and Mrs. H were living in Illinois.
Pink
24 Nov, 2012 – 7:43 pm It seems to me the “Green 4×4” morphs into the “dark Pajero” with a useful deflecting “British registration” although the dark haired driver appears to be a leftover from the white Peogeot seen driving away at about 4. Strange isn’t it?
Thought I would bring this over from MZT about the Mastros arrest
in case it proves useful, a poster called George hi-lighted the proximity of their home to the crime scene and start of BM’s bike ride.
George
“Nothing really relevant but the geographic proximity between the crime scene, Micheal Mastro’s apartment and the starting point of Brett’s ride came as a surprise to me, http://goo.gl/maps/3tLpS Doussard twice in the international headlines within 2 months.”
From this article mention of visitors with Washington plates and NZ neighbours .
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019542345_mastro28m.html
Maire, the Mastros’ neighbor, said the couple entertained few guests. But she said they did have visitors this summer in cars with Washington state license plates.
Maire said the Mastros came to a welcome party she organized for residents in August. Michael wore a suit, Linda, 63, a long dress.
“Their dress was a bit more formal than necessary for the atmosphere of the village, but they were lovely,” Maire said.
“Unfortunately, they did not speak much French. I could not talk with them.”
But the Mastros could converse with upstairs neighbors from New Zealand, she added.
George gives this link for the house
http://www.foleydupont.com/en/real-estate-lake-annecy/doussard-domaine-des-sources.html
Q
I dont know anything about the stepfather. I can see only that he was born as Frederick Ward Humphries in Springfield, IL in 1965. Stepfather must have stepped into that family later.
As I said, there is nothing yet that would confirm any links to canada. He lived in Tampa in 1988. There is a document.
He was living in:
Dover (FL)
Tampa (FL) (1988)
Springfield (IL) (born and childhood)
Pleasant Plains (IL)
Killeen (TX)
SanAngelo (TX)
Fort Bragg (NC)
Fayetteville(NC)
Mukilteo (WA)
Bellevue (WA)
Oakton (VA)
Sierra Vista (AZ)
However, there is nothing in canada.
@ Pink 24 Nov, 2012 – 5:50 pm
“Thought I would bring this over from MZT about the Mastros arrest. From this article mention of visitors with Washington plates and NZ neighbours.”
Let me bring this too over from MZT what I placed there:
CarS (plural) with Washington state number plates? How weird is that?
The only people I can think of who sometimes have a personal car transported overseas are military or diplomatic personnel, and then only if the transport is for free.
Usually it’s the other way around, at least for diplomats, who buy an expensive foreign car for less money than in US and have it transported for free back to US when their posting ends. I think they bring it to the US duty free too, but not sure about that.
Who from the US would visit them, if they’re in hiding with US$1,200,000 in rings? People they trusted it must be. They would better have gone to Malaga, Spain and hung out at the American Club, like the dude that sold banned nuclear triggers to Israel did for ten years before he was arrested.
@ Q Hmmmm? Washington state? Is Fort Lewis running an immersion language school in France? Why all the Silver Fern Kiwis hanging around Annecy?
Thanks, BB. Fort Bragg: hmmm.
@Tim 8.31pm
I do think the Telegraph has tried to clarify the conflicting reports , perhaps they thought Sky had made a mistake at first so double checked, there is feel that the police’s right hand didn’t know what the left hand was doing ,its hard not to think they are hiding something .
@ Mochyn69 24 Nov, 2012 – 2:14 pm
“Associated Press= SPRINGFIELD, Mass.
The explosion left a large hole in the ground where the brick building housing Scores Gentleman’s Club once stood and debris scattered over several blocks.” DOHHHHHHHHHH!”
In the recent Indianapolis explosion weren’t we told gas explosions don’t cause craters? Hope Bart is OK. 🙂
@ Bluebird
re Fred Humphries
“Springfield (IL) (born and childhood)”
So he’s born in the homeland of Abraham Lincoln and is a descendant of Benjamin Franklin. Means he’s loyal and honest and upright, but his cover story about learning subtleties of French accents in Ontario isn’t working.
Topless FBI agent
More exciting news.
His mother Mary Jo Humphries lived in Pleasant Plains (IL) and later married Mr. Clyde L Pilkington.
This is his son (born 1959). Definitely he is not the son of Mrs Humphries, but he is the stepbrother of our topless FBI agent!
Now check the website of his stepfather.
http://www.pilkingtonandsons.com/clp.htm
And now check his facebook page and particularly his love letters to Obama! (pdf)
http://m.facebook.com/clyde.pilkington?id=326687874055432&_rdr
I had always said: know their families and you will know about what your targets are most likely thinking and doing!
Frederick Ward Humphries is an Obama shill and obviously a very conservative Christian with deep love for America’s independence and most likely in great love for Benjamin Franklin’s French allies. (Benjamin Franklin descendant)
Not only did they ship their vehicle overseas, but their visitors did, too? Were they all green 4X4s?
On to Fort Lewis/McChord. This article says Fort Lewis has gone “rogue”:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/us/afghanistan-shootings-base/index.html
McChord AFB via its NATO connection would be the ones in Europe?
I still don’t understand how Fred Humphries learned so much French and spoke it so well in three short years (or less) in an Ontario high school. Colonel Russell Williams had a private school education at the elite Upper Canada College, married a woman who had a French Canadian mother, and lived in Ottawa, a bilingual city. All that and he still had to go to French language training in Gatineau, well into his career as an officer. Some people have a knack for languages, I guess.
SMALL Error above:
Should read: website of his STEPBROTHER!
Sorry for the typo.
However. I am very excited about that find.
Check pastor pilkington’s (topless fbi agents stepbrother) view on Israel. ASTONISHING!
QUOTE:
God’s Holy Nation: Israel and Her Earthly Purpose (Contrasted with the Body of Christ and Its Heavenly Purpose) (#2275) by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr.Israel plays a key role in God’s plan of the ages. Though currently she has been set aside “until the times of the nations be fulfi lled,” He is by no means done with her.Today, God is operating His purpose in the ecclesia – the Church, the Body of Christ. The Scriptures provide us with the clear, critical distinction between God’s earthly nation and Christ’s celestial body.Christendom, however, has diminished Israel’s divine significance in an attempt to advance their artificial homogenization of Scripture’s grand theme, thus obscuring the glorious evangel of our day – “the Good News of the Happy God” committed to the trust of Paul, our Apostle.This work highlights some of the more prominent distinctions which belong to God’s literal, physical, earthly nation. In so doing, it is our desire to allow the reader to see more clearly God’s dealings with God’s favored nation, so that they may in turn embrace a far greatercalling and purpose. ISBN: 9781934251887 — 360 page PB $19.95
Q
I dont know whether or not tge Humphries Pilkingtons are related to the UK and French Pilkingtons. However, when searching Pilkington+France you will find deep connections. One of those Pilkington connections is a $ 5 billion value french company. This could get very interesting since there are a lot of french relations regarding Pilkington.
However, i dont know as how far “our” pilkingtons are related to france and uk.
@BB: http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=mukilteo,+wa&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Mukilteo,+Snohomish,+Washington,+United+States&gl=ca&t=m&z=11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paine_Field
@BB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Whidbey_Island
@BB: Shall I go on?
http://www.killeentexas.gov/
All a coincidence, the places people live:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodfellow_Air_Force_Base
About the emergency call that was made, a friend of ours had a watch with a special tracking alarm. Where and how the alarm was sent to I dont know but it worked in the snowy mountains, even under water. Maybe Sa’ad had such a watch or a special phone (like in the Dakar rally where they also use these special phones in case of emergency)
Q
Who did ever talk about Canada? This does not really fit, except …… However, if he grew up in the Pilkington family, perhaps he got to study in Ontario and later in France? He went to Tampa in 1988. Thats the age of 23. What did he do since he was in high school?
Pilkington has also an empire in Ontario …
http://www.profilecanada.com/companydetail.cfm?company=128490_Pilkington_Canada_Limited_Collingwood_ON
That of course would then be some kind of link between the Humphries’ mother and THE Pilkington. That would really be something with deepest links into French and UK economy and even into their governments …. This is a multibillion company and the British Pilkingtons are/were in the government ….. Whoaaa …
@Straw
The Indy also mentioned a laptop, but it comes out as gibberish:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-alps-murders-annecy-shooting-victims-had-moved-campsite-8124815.html
French police are examining two mobile phones found in Mr al-Hilli’s car and are understood to be examining the hard disk for a laptop
Obviously means from a laptop.
More accurately reported in the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9534285/France-shooting-Murdered-Briton-was-acting-strangely-before-family-were-killed.html
I like this sentence: The family had not booked a pitch in advance at the Village Camping Europa site, where they used a discount voucher to claim a reduction on the 30 euro-a-night tariff but were given a prime spot close to the swimming pool. Imagine the other full fee paying campers finding out! Bang out of order, guv.