The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
kempe, that isn’t true. Nobody charges anything at gasoline stations when you’re just going to pump air. You simply pump air, and drive away. I would drive with a tyre having not enough air pressure for those 2 miles to the next gasoline station. No problem for the tyre. However, if the tyre is completely gone, then the only alternative would be to change the tyre with the reserve and go to the next car repair to buy a new one. However, in my whole life I had never seen anybody pumping a car tyre except when he is completely nuts and an idiot because that service is free in every gasoline station. And even then when it’s not free, I am happy to pay 1 or 2 euros for the service. I am not even happy when I have to manually pump the tyres of my bicycle. Even then I’d go to gasoline stations ad do it there.
It is even too exhausting to manually pump the children’s rubber boat or the air mattress for camping. Even then many people would chose the gasoline station.
But perhaps he was strange enough pumping the tyre once. However, when I see that it loses air again, I’m not doing it again manually but I would immediately purchase a new tyre. Think about going back to the UK with a tyre that always lost air while the car wasn’t even moving? Never! You wouldn’t come past Annecy with that tyre!
And Kempe, you’re wrong again: I can bring you 1000 examples where drug smuggles where caught who had their drugs inside their car tyres.
Here’s one from Dubai:
http://www.emirates247.com/news/emirates/drugs-in-tyre-plan-goes-flat-for-dubai-smugglers-2012-08-26-1.472733
And here’s one from the UK
http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Gang-Hid-Drugs-In-Tyres_15460.html
James,
nobody who is sane has git a tyre pump in his car, except for holidays when you have to pump bicycles or rubber boats. You can use those for cars, too. So it is most likely that he had one to pump those things. However, the pumping of that tyre was certainly deliberate, simply because he did hide something within that tyre. Otherwies ehe would have done that at the gasoline station, particularly then when having a hurt back and pain in his back (as he had clearly stated to friends that this was apparently the reason for his vacation). And then I have a hurt back but then I am going to manually pump my tyres just for fun? Come on? How strange is that? I really don’t believe every BS. I believe that he pumped them, but for a special reason he didn’t go anywhere else (gasoline station) for pumping that tyre where it would have been much easier and not painful for his hurt back.
More interesting stuff on special agent Ben Menashe from Quebec:
http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=3703
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/treason20.11753.html
Lynda Ben Menashe
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lynda-ben-menashe/17/85/361
A man who worked in the innermost circles of Israel’s clandestine services bares all about Robert Maxwell’s greed, paying Iran to delay the release of the hostages, and the millions of dollars now sitting in a CIA and Israeli intelligence slush fund.
http://www.amazon.com/Profits-War-Inside-U-S-Israeli-Network/dp/1879823012
Liat Ben Menashe
http://www.linkedin.com/in/liatbm
Yaron Ben Menashe
http://www.linkedin.com/in/yaronbenmenashe
Dov Ben Menashe
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dov-ben-menashe/5/997/368
More on Ari Ben Menashe:
Here’s a lawsuit of Ari Ben Menashe in Kansas District Court.
Watch his co-defendants!
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/kansas/ksdce/6:2012cv01126/85558/
Britain offered to finance Mugabe assassination:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-158470/Britain-offered-finance-Mugabe-assassination–court-told.html
Very interesting: From the United States Department of Justice:
http://totse2.com/totse/en/conspiracy/casolaro/inslwbam.html
And more fraud:
http://www.thestandard.co.zw/2005/09/30/ari-ben-menashe-does-it-again/
In 2007 the U.S. embassy in Baghdad obtained a copy of the Iraqi government’s final investigation report on the massacre of 17 civilians on September 16th, 2007 in Nisour Square. The report concluded that the incident was an unprovoked attack on unarmed civilians, asked for $8 million in compensation for each death and $4 million for each injury, and demanded that the private security firm Blackwater be replaced within six months. Blackwater continued to operate in Iraq for two years afterwards, and the U.S. Embassy compensated victims with $10,000 for each death and $5,000 for each injury. Five years later, the offending Blackwater mercenaries have escaped from accountability to Iraq, and attempts to bring them to justice in the U.S. have resulted in a long chain of dismissed cases and one undisclosed settlement. WikiLeaks’ Iraq War Logs release of 391,832 U.S. Army field reports uncovered 14 additional cases where Blackwater opened fire on civilians, along with numerous other incidents of abuse. The Iraq War Logs also showed how the United States handed over prisoners to be tortured in gruesome detail — stories of electrocution, mutilation and of victims being attacked with drills. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julian-assange/wikileaks-bradley-manning-testifies-cablegate_b_2215387.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
No wonder they don’t want us to know.
James
29 Nov, 2012 – 4:37 pm I agree. And I think I need to correct something I said above. Sorry another senior moment! It wasn’t blood stains fifyeen metres off but glass wasn’t it? Am I right on that? The only blood stains are 2/3 m from the passenger side of the car. Happy to be corrected if wrong. Cheers.
If you’ve got a slow puncture you might well carry a pump with you. The first of your links clearly states that the it was the spare that was filled with drugs. the second doesn’t specify.
By your use of “tires” and “gasoline” it sounds as though you live in north America. I can assure you that the vast majority of garages and filling stations in the UK charge for air. I’ve been a driver for 40 years and noticed when it stopped being free. I bought a footpump. Not because I’m particulary mean but simply on principle.
The one thing to add here is that garages in France are few & far between.
A sensible person doing a long drive would carry a pump & a spare.
Clearly AH did have a pump, but for someone who did up BMW’s it surely is odd he didn’t carry a spare on these journeys.
Perhaps it slipped his mind as he left in such a hurry.
Kempe…
If I had a slow puncture…and was driving a long distance, I would get it repaired (or replaced).
If it were to be repaired (a leak at the rim) the tyre man may get a shock.
Are of we assuming something is being carried from England to France ? OR from France to England ?
…OR from Switzerland to elsewhere ??
Going back the the “fellow campers”, didn’t they say it was the front tyre that Sa’ad was givng attention to ?
He could have swapped them around, but on the French TV coverge, they showed the BMW being recoverd…and it was the drivers side rear tyre that looked to be flat.
Would the fellow campers, seeing him do all the tyres, be more likely to discribed Sa’ad as a careful motorist rather than him having a “faulty” front tyre ?
Katie
30 Nov, 2012 – 7:24 am there you go again making judgements about others. Why don’t you just produce your own views and discuss points NOT people? You say: “you are finally moving in the right direction & beginning to see what I’ve said repeatedly.”
I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I have no idea what you have been saying all along and I am not “moving” anywhere. What I have said in my latest post is what I have believed all along even if I have not expressed it.
You say: “The Al Hillis are small fry when it comes to monetary wealth, their ‘wealth/danger’ was information & historic knowledge.” I quite agree. The Al Hilli’s were not poor and must have brought money with them from Iraq despite having assets frozen there. We do not know where they got their money from, how much they now have, whether the Swiss deposit is actually theirs, whether this is the only one or how they got it.
Part of the trouble is that the Swiss are opening up bank accounts to other agencies which has sent shock waves through many families and companies that have used historic secrecy to hide nefarious practice. Large reservoirs of cash can create as many problems as it solves. It is one of the headaches of being rich and why accountants make fortunes.
The thing is there is literally BILLIONS of illicit money washing around the world and political leaders (with drug barons) are some of the worst offenders. That these individuals frequently blur personal advantage with national and can command military forces to impliment whatever scheme they come up with, does not help. Uniformly it would appear the world is corrupt, yet it operates on the basis that no country will admit it. This is why Wikileaks is so damaging to the persona of the United States, that paragon of international virtue.
Now returning to the Al Hilli’s (and no doubt others, including Jason Bourne) knowledge can kill you and conversely, keep you alive. It may have killed Hashim and saved Kadim. It may indeed have killed Saad and Sylvain. Who can say?
Agreed James
30 Nov, 2012 – 8:54 am. I just think we have to keep ponding away until the press actually pick this stuff up and run with it, so that the French (and British) authorities are subject to some searching investigation and demand for answers that actually conform with the observable facts. Levenson has probably put a damper on that. Cameron and the press are currently doing mutual admiration. Woe betide the reporter or editor who suggests that the British or French may be engaged in perverting the course of justice eh?
@ Bluebird
30 Nov, 2012 – 9:12 am Funny how innocent Canada keeps cropping up in all this stuff.
Straw44berry
30 Nov, 2012 – 10:29 am “Are these both FRACKING related?” I like it LOL.
I still believe Saad using a footpump is to disguise him checking his car for tracking devices/bombs if he truly feared for his life.
I agree manually pumping tyre almost unheard of these days unless flat and emergency Bluebird
30 Nov, 2012 – 12:12 pm. However nearside rear wheel wasn’t punctured was it? I think it just appears so being half buried. No sign of flat when on lorry as far as i know.
Tim V
Re 2.26pm 30th Nov.
I have tried in vain to explain the “legal angle” on claiming a deceased Swiss Bank account…and the conficts that this creates.
However one of our number sill believes that this is not so !
And that it would remain part of, and be treated as, the deceased estate. This is simple not so.
Depending on the source of those monies, it may infact be siezed.
The Swiss Bankers are good at that.
They have alot of practice over many, many years.
Infact I would go as far as to say, when a “dictator” falls, the “Swiss Banks” generally come out on top.
You can’t after all sieze the assets that have never been declared…and whos owner no longer remains alive.
If such monies have a legitimate source (doubtful), then there is a question of taxation…and possibly evasion of taxation jail terms to be consdered.
No, it isn’t easy being given a Swiss Bank account.
And that brings me to another point.
As the regulations with regard banking have become more “open”, the business of retaining monies has become even more sophisticated and have gone “global”.
A Swiss Bank account is “old hat” these days. Hene I suspect, but do not know, that there may be other “monies” that remain unseen (or not !).
@Tim V
30 Nov, 2012 – 1:33 pm
JA’s HuffPost article is truly horrifying.
I doubt we are going to find the truth about the al Hillis here on this board, but meanwhile there is a real evil pervading our Western societies that maybe we can do a little about.
All right thinking people would surely condemn what has been happening in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan in the name of our Western ‘democracies’ consequent on the US’s state of permanent war.
Bradley Manning and Wikileaks should be hailed as heroes for exposing this evil, corrupt cancer on our civilisation, and we should all be pressing for an end to his inhumane treatment, and indeed for his acquittal,rehabilitation and for our societies to have a long hard look at themselves.
There has to be an alternative to permanent war, swords into ploughshares and all that .. just imagine how much good could be done for humanity if all those military budgets, to say nothing of all the money syphoned off in corruption and criminality were spent in the interests of promoting the welfare of mankind.
I wonder why human beings are such flawed creatures that we cannot see this, and actually do something about it? Are we really still so primitive??
I guess we are, meanwhile,let’s all of us press for the humane treatment,acquittal and release of Bradley Manning.That would be just one small step in the right direction.
No , James it was the rear right wheel, Straw can verify that because we ran through this weeks ago.
James…
Note to self.
Don’t write “can you supply a link please” to Kookie in order that you can see it as you hardly beleve a word she writes.
She doesn’t provide links, it’s just her word and that’s that.
Like her scenarios. No links. No facts. Just words and opinions !
James why should I supply links to someone so rude ?
The choice is yours whether to believe or not….. I really don’t care.
Kookie…
Well no I don’t view your “musings” as fact, if that’s what you mean.
You still didn’t supply a sane answer with regard the “probate” issue !
Infact your “cut n paste” job only served to confirm the point I had made (and you ignored), that being, the deceased would be treated by the law in the state he is domiciled in, that being English Law.
Before you crack on about him “being in Spain”, consider the term “domiciled” with specific reference to taxation and English Law.
James…
Second note to self !!
Whilst you know reading some posters comments makes you laugh very loud at their bizarre logic, you really must ignore them and only stick to the relevant posters and their research.
Mochyn69 3:21 PM — Hear, Hear!
Wish I had more time today to comment on stuff, but nah…gotta do something to pad that Swiss account….
James, your point regarding the Swiss accounts is legit.
However, those accounts aren’t normally dedicated to certain people but they are controlled by funds, trusts or beneficiencies. That meaning, when somebody dies who is the authorised person for handling those accounts (Kadhim) then all the cards (credit cards, account cards) are being locked unless the trust or the beneficiency orders a new authority for those accounts. In Switzerland and in Liechtenstein there is usually a Swiss citizen (most of the times a lawyer), who has got this authority and who will be responsibly for the notary act. Saad would only have to go to Switzerland for one signature and the account would be accessable to him when he is the person who was named by Kadhim as the authority for those accounts after his death. I strongly believe that he went to Geneva for submitting his signature and from then onwards the account were available and the cards unlocked.
I believe that the Manchester guy didn’t know about when exactly those accounts would be reopened. he had cards (apparently through 155 Notting Hill Gate) and he unsuccessfully tried to get money from those accounts simply because he had thought that Saad had already reopened those accounts. But he hadn’t.
I guess that Hussein alla Muhammad had those cards since in his last years Kadhim did not handle the bank things alone. Therefore “155 Notting Hill Gate” knew exactly about how to access those accounts. However, those accounts were locked after Kadhims death and Saad had not given a signature in the office of that Swiss lawyer/trustee yet.
The question will be whether he had taken money from those accounts after he did submit a signature.
The accounts were known by the German intelligence simply because a guy from HSBC did submit all account data to Germany several years ago. I strongly guess that the bank in question is HSBC private bank in Geneve. That would make a lot of sense since HSBC has a connection to London, too, and Saddam used HSBC in Lebanon to bunker money. However, those HSBC data are well known to the Germen.
WTF .. the Telegraph is now a paysite!?
That’s another one on the ignore list from now on then!
Blue…
Hence what I mean.
Firstly the term “Swiss Bank Account” covers many things.
And we don’t know how it was previously setup and then later managed and/or changed.
But this would not be part of Kahim’s “estate”. I would imagine it would be “parked” so t speak.
I have a friend that also flys…and his bosses friends like to stop off in Geneve for the evening.
Some of those bags are heavy. And some keep them onboard and not at the back. I wouldnt know about these things or how heavy those bags can be. I also wouldn’t know that they can “tip” you in the larger sized dollar bills. I wouldn’t know this. It is specualtion. He tells me this.
I can bet that “if” they do like money being kept on the move, they wouldn’t have it in their names….or all their eggs in just one basket.
The term, follow the money is relevant I would assume.
Were the Al Hilli’s acting as “bankers” ?
A business that maybe passed on ?
If you need to communicate, what better place to do it than on an open and public “anti jewish” one !
Pure speculation on my part.
Tim V
On Leila Lamnaouer’s Twitter feed she reported from the press conference that the tyre was flat, but maybe just the official story.
I couldnt tell despite watching vids of passing BMW on transporter over and over
And HSBC. The global bank.
Open in Mexico to I understand ! Good wth transfers I hear !
james
Those 4 links explain everything about the HSBC Private Bank in Geneve, its Saddam connection and that drug dealers and mobster were using HSBC Private bank for their business. Interestingly enough, the drug dealers accounts were leaked a few weeks ago only. Read those 3 links and you’ll know why I strongly believe to know what private bank in Geneve Saad al Hilli was visiting shortly before he was killed.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1584998/HSBC-probes-Saddam-connection.html
http://www.hsbc.com/1/2/about/network/europe/switzerland
http://www.asiaone.com/A1Business/General+News/Story/A1Story20121112-382957.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8562381.stm
Mochyn, delete Telegraph cookies & you can access the Telegraph.
Good links Blue
Always makes me laugh that it’s the “tax” that get there first.
Then the crime element comes later !
Dubai is fast becoming a “centre” these days.
But if we follow the money, were does it come from and go to ?
Saddam’s ? I think the Swiss have a big chunk of that.
I agree with Katie that Saad was seen pumping up a tyre other than the rear nearside.