The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Bluebird
Thanks for the pdf, I thought Sylvain’s father died in June 2011 at the age of 76, perhaps my memory fails me.
This photo of Roger Mollier was taken 8th May 2012 and in 1944 if the age is correct he would have been 9 or 10.
Tim V
MZT is…..
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/
BB, I can’t believe everyone in an internet cafe….. out of all the possible times could / would have visited, has not recognised him & his car from the photos which have been shown repeatedly, in every media across the globe !
That is why I say he didn’t go to an internet cafe each time he left the site.
Interesting piece that supports my theory about a WAR between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews going on. Note the date of that declaration. September 14th 2012. Were the al Hillis Mizrahi Jews requiring their Iraqi assats and about to sue Mossad?
Pleae READ that document! It’s awesome and puts a really new view onto what is going on there and confirms my theory about what is currently going on in this world! Forget the Arabs. This is WAR between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi.
Statement from the Ramat Gan Committee of Baghdadi Jews, 14 September, 2012 / 27 Elul, 5772
A) We most sincerely thank the Israeli government for confirming our status as refugees following a rapid, 62-year-long evaluation of our documents.
B) We request that Ashkenazi Jews are also recognized as refugees so that they won’t consider sending to our homes the courteous officers of the Oz immigration enforcement unit.
C) We are seeking to demand compensation for our lost property and assets from the Iraqi government – NOT from the Palestinian Authority – and we will not agree with the option that compensation for our property be offset by compensation for the lost property of others (meaning, Palestinian refugees) or that said compensation be transferred to bodies that do not represent us (meaning, the Israeli government).
D) We demand the establishment of an investigative committee to examine:
1) if and by what means negotiations were carried out in 1950 between Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion and Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri as-Said, and if Ben-Gurion informed as-Said that he is authorized to take possession of the property and assets of Iraqi Jewry if he agreed to send them to Israel;
2) who ordered the bombing of the Masouda Shem-Tov synagogue in Baghdad, and if the Israeli Mossad and/or its operatives were involved. If it is determined that Ben-Gurion did, in fact, carry out negotiations over the fate of Iraqi Jewish property and assets in 1950, and directed the Mossad to bomb the community’s synagogue in order to hasten our flight from Iraq, we will file a suit in an international court demanding half of the sum total of compensation for our refugee status from the Iraqi government and half from the Israeli government.
E) Blessings for a happy new year, a year of peace and prosperity, a year of tranquility and fertility.
The Ramat Gan Committee of Baghdadi Jews (As originally posted by Almog Behar on FB, thanks to Dave Woody for passing this on.)
And on this last note, may I take this opportunity of wishing l’Shana Tova to all, b’kol zot!
More about their history later.
I am currently investigating Mollier & North Africa as well as Brun & North Africa. Due to other Molliers and Bruns, I see a 75% possibility that both families are Mizrahi/Sephardi Jews.
straw:
it definitely says ROGER MOLLIER.
How many Roger Molliers do they have in Ugine?
And honestly, he definitely looks like an ex Rugby player.
Tim
In Martins television interview, he states that Mollier was “ahead” of him.
I don’t recall he said “overtaken” by him.
The French reports earlier on say “doubling” and the British ones, I would suggest, took this to mean “over take”.
The term “doubling” may actually refer to him “being at a faster pace” than Martin.
@ Bluebird
3 Dec, 2012 – 8:46 am Isn’t this another co-incidence? Fathers Mollier and Brun (Brown) both together in the war-time resistance. Sons likewise? Mollier shot; Brun carcrash. So was the Brun who died in the strange Pajero crash on the 29th September the son of father Roger’s war time mate?
Katie
3 Dec, 2012 – 10:09 am You protest you haven’t suggested the use of a “James Bond Watch” (my words not yours) but here you are promoting the idea of satellite telephones. So could I be clear? Are you suggesting that the alarm was raised by either 1) Al Hillis 2) Mollier or 3) Martin by the use of such device or not?
For those of you who like to understand the political background of Iraq and why there is a current ongoing war between Mizrahi and Ashkenazi Jews that will as a consequence result into an Iran war, read this history blog. It is well documented by a Jewish organisation:
http://azvsas.blogspot.co.at/2012/09/the-zionist-destruction-of-iraqi-jewish.html
Unfortunately the brainwashing media never talk about that. They talk about Palestine, about why Muslims apparently hate the Jews, about Jihadists who like to kill Jews just for fun, but they never talk nor report about the bitter conflict between two Jewish tribes: The Ashkenazi versus the Mizrahi.
Unfortunately due to this media misinformation, we always believe that “when he is a Jew he must be pro Israel” or “when he is a Jew he must enjoy Mossad”. This is totally wrong. There are Ashkenazi. For those the two sentences are true. At least for most of them. However, this is absolutely not true for Mizrahi. Mizrahi who represent 50% of Israel’s population are pro Arab and pro Palestine and they feel as being enslaved and robbed by Ashkenazi. Therefore we are seeing Jews side by side with Arabs from time to time. Therefore we are seeing Mossad bombing or killing Jewish, simply because they were Mizrahi and a danger for Israel’s national security. For the past 3 months, the war between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi broke out and did result in a number of assassinations and did even result into a conflict inside the CIA.
The team members don’t stand “side by side” as we believe they do. They are interracial and inter-religious mixed. It#s all about money and power only. However, the brainwashing media are trying to make it easy reading for us. “Here is the Muslim and there is Israel, and they don’t like each other because of Palestine”. The media are explaining us that issue as intellectual as Walt Disney is explaining us the adventures of Mickey Mouse. Perhaps because the generfal public won’t understand the reality.
However, now this has become a war and we should call the truth!
@Bluebird
3 Dec, 2012 – 12:57 pm
OMG, BB .. I haven’t seen that one before! Where did you find it?
That surely puts a whole new perspective on things ..old comrades in arms.
I’ve always maintained SM is key to this, especially with the S&P link. I need to get my head around this.
And remember I told you Mollier is a family name that occurs in higher density in Savoie AND CORSICA!
Thanks Straw44berry
3 Dec, 2012 – 2:19 pm
@James
3 Dec, 2012 – 2:27 pm
But ‘doubler’ definitely does mean ‘to overtake’. It’s a synonym for ‘depasser’.
Larousse compact gives the example ‘doubler un camion’ = to overtake a lorry.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9699783/MI6-told-agent-they-could-not-kill-al-Qaeda-leader.html
straw
the obituary of Roger Mollier is either falsificated or total nonsense or else that Roger Mollier who has died in Ugine was just a 7 years old kid.
http://www.avis-de-deces.net/v_RHONE-ALPES_73_SAVOIE_UGINE.html?f_day1=1&f_month1=1&e_day1=11&e_month1=5&year1=2011&root=5®name=RHONE-ALPES&method=1&depnum=73&depname=SAVOIE&via_date=ok&im=
à l’âge de 7 ans
publié le 03-05-2011.
++++++
Didn’t we have the obituary for Roger Mollier somewhere in this blog from LeDauphine?
The registration, however, is definitely BS or faked when they mean his father. 7 years old. Oh yes! Sure!
He was definitely alive on May 8th 2012 or else LeDauphine used an old photo.
Tim ….
I’ll try to explain as Kookie confuses me most of the time.
She started out (it would appear) saying that Al Hilli “must of” raised the “alarm”.
By “alarm” she means contacted “Paris”.
Who then sent the 20 military types (and I assume called the fire dept !)
Al Hilli(she says) possibly did this via a “sat phone”.
Which (I can only assume) he had been using…to talk to “people”.
I think that Al Hilli was one cool dude under fire, if he managed to get to the car, grab the sat phone (that he may not even have)…and get through to Paris ! But they ya go !
No doubt now I’ll get some strange back lash for Kookie !
Thanks James
3 Dec, 2012 – 2:27 pm But Maillaud only recently has stated that Mollier overtook him just outside Chevaline at the bottom of the climb. Sorry I haven;t got time to find all the refences just now. I agree in his BBC interviwew the following Monay after he had gone back Sunday to do re-enactment, he says he saw Mollier “ahead of him”. Now I am sure you see the obvious flaw in that line of argument – it is this. Mollier’s bike was a racer. It has been stated that Mollier was going much faster, indeed the the Times has even picked up my point that on a half hour journey he would HAVE to go AT LEAST TWICE as fast to get to the top 15 minutes ahead, if already in front of Martin he couldnt have seen him ahead of him. A cyclist travelling at a much faster speed can only be seen “ahead” if he has overtaken, particularly on a narrow and winding route. Therein lies the problem with the evidence.
Q
3 Dec, 2012 – 3:31 pm
re. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9699783/MI6-told-agent-they-could-not-kill-al-Qaeda-leader.html
“Storm believes it was his work that led to Awlaki’s death in a drone attack three weeks later in September last year, but the CIA told him they had been running a “parallel operation.”
The relationship deteriorated until Storm believed that the Americans were prepared to kill him in a drone attack and he decided to go public.”
An important clue to the Al Hilli/Mollier killings?
@Bluebird
3 Dec, 2012 – 3:06 pm
As an aside, remember Nicolas Sarkozy occupies a unique space in European politics. The child of a Hungarian father, and a half-Sephardic Jewish mother (of Greek origin ..)
http://souciant.com/2012/03/strasbourg-on-sarkozy/
Not forgetting David Cameron ‘could be a direct descendant of Moses’ Times Online, 10 July 2009 …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levite
Which in my opinion made the Anglo-French assault on Libya all the more ironic.
Tim . 3-00
“Are you suggesting that the alarm was raised by either 1) Al Hillis 2) Mollier or 3) Martin by the use of such device or not?”
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo for at least the FOURTH time.
You & James seem to have trouble reading !!!
I HAVE NEVER SAID THEY RAISED THE ALARM !!! Geez.
I do hope your eyesight can cope with big print !
As for you James, I simply give up,you have an atrocious memory at the best of times now you even seem to have forgotten there were two other adults in the car…..
Also at no time would I ever use such a term as ‘ must OF’ shocking English !
Good news – our holiday is back on. Which week was it?
http://france.silverfernsussex.co.uk/gallery.html#
Intelligence services operating agents/assets “in parallel”. Disposing of them when no more use or turning “rogue” is the term? This was clearly not the act of a lone, crazy, foreign hating, individual acting alone for all the previous reasons given. That the French Prosecutor keeps reinventing versions of it smacks of collusion. Terrorist organisations almost invariably claim responsibility for acts of terror. It is states that remain silent and deny involvement if it suits them. American CIA and Israeli Mossad have recent admitted or proved assassination operations documented. So do the Russians but it is more difficult to see how they would fit. It was too sophisticated an operation for Sunni forces that would not have been permitted to operate in France. It seems clear the France was in the loop and facilitated the operation and the escape of the perpetrators. However you arrange the tea service, american and and israeli mugs stand out like sore thumbs.
Israel is running out of friends in Europe.
Did I see that headline a few days ago? Now, today this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/03/britain-considers-withdrawing-envoy-over-settlements-live
Katie
3 Dec, 2012 – 3:58 pm so what is the point of going on about yhe advantages/use of satellite phones then. (If I had time I would do a trawl of your old posts but I can’t be bothered Katie)
exactly the point i was making Mochyn69
3 Dec, 2012 – 4:23 pm
So Kookie,
You’re saying you didn’t think “they” raised the alarm ??
BUT ask me to remember that there were 2 other people in the BMW !
What are you saying !!!
They (the Al Hilli’s) using the satellite phone that they may not have had, didn’t raise the alarm (by calling “Paris”) BUT they could have raised the alarm on the phone that they may not have had, as Sa’ads wife or his mother in law who were in the car could have called taken this action (or not !) ???
Do you not think that at the core of your scenarios you tend to rely heavily on facts that are completely unknown !
This is called “a guess” !
@Eric M
If you’re looking for someone to run your Public Relations/ Press liaison department, I may have found the ideal recruit for you.
Whilst many agree that you’re doing a first rate job in supplying conflicting information, I believe the person I have in mind is a “black belt” in this kind of endeavour.
For last & final TIM……..Yawn !
I mentioned the sat phone because YOU said days ago, that YOU thought a message must have been received by the embassy BEFORE hearing it on the wires……..because of the response with 20 military types !
I then went on to say, AH could have had a phone with some sort of alarm…… OK are you still with me ?
YOU… then said there was no signal………..OK ?
I then said he could have a satellite phone , someone else said there was a sort of watch which emitted an alarm.
Someone else backed that up BUT there was nothing but silence from you once you’d been told this was possible.
I still say Saad or the women, could have called & warned the embassy that things had gone drastically wrong .
Now for goodness sake stop you are too time consuming along with the ‘so called’ pilot, but somehow I doubt what he says.
Quote
“I still say Saad or the women, could have called & warned the embassy that things had gone drastically wrong”.
And quote, previously.
“I HAVE NEVER SAID THEY RAISED THE ALARM !!! Geez”.
So in answer to your statement, that being
“You & James seem to have trouble reading !!!”
We don’t have trouble reading sweetpea, any of the time.
We just don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, all of the time !
@Tim
Sorry Tim when I said read it over at MZT I assumed you knew what it was so I will fill you in on something else you probably don’t know .
Max over at MZT has been working very hard on the timeline using what information he can find which is not enough but I will say I trust his judgement more than anyone else to date because he puts in the effort to keep refining as and when it comes along so you may have a kindred spirit there .
Anyway you had better go and say hello to Marilyn as I have just had a chuckle reading that she saw your question and said it was the first time she had ever been called an “IT” so you had better take a bottle of wine with you 😉
Give them my regards if you do I love them all but can’t manage posting to two sites and find the time to search and work .
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-46/#comments
“We just don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, all of the time” !
James,
That’s perfectly understandable with your limited ability to read correctly.
Rant away on your own now because you are just a write off now.
Mochyn
It isn’t Israel who is running out of friends in Europe nor can you say that the “Jews” are running out of friends in Europe. That isn’t true.
The truth is:
The Ashkenazi Zionists are running out of friends. Even the Mizrahi and Sephardi are fighting them now. Only when we begin to understand about what is happening here between the Jewish population of Israel, then we begin to understand what is happening in this world right now. Otherwise everything would surely look too confusing in this world at this time. However, try to understand that and you know what’s happening and why all those assassinations, wars, and all the problems within the CIA.