The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Nancy Lanza’s guns were standard CIA issue:-
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2081993/pg1
Sorry I didnt realise that was old news, it wasnt something I had taken in.
Mr Maillaud is SO sure. What’s that saying about never being able to prove a negative?
“In the investigation of the killing of Horses , the French track cyclist is “closed to 99.9%.” This was assured Monday, December 17 the prosecutor Annecy (Haute-Savoie). “This is misguided and wrong way. He arrived on site purely by mistake” said Eric Maillaud about the cyclist killed alongside Al-Hilli British family in September 2012.
The prosecutor was questioned by AFP about an article in the Sunday Times , who said that the rider, Sylvain Mollier, disagreed with her in-laws about inheritance, by his wife, the family pharmacy estimated at 1.3 million. “Mollier Sylvain and his girlfriend were not married, there was no risk that he could understand the heritage,” said Eric Maillaud.
A gunman? The job of a victim?
According to the family, “there was no litigation and conflict between Mr. Mollier and especially her in-laws” , has also reported the prosecutor. “At 99.9% there is no link between Sylvain and Mollier the killing of the Al-Hilli ” he added.”
@Tim V
18 Dec, 2012 – 1:48 pm
Can you give us the sources of those quotes? They don’t look very good translations to me.If they’re in French, maybe we can do better.
Sorensen
That is from my link:
=====> Donation “SCHUTZ MORANGE” <=====OUVERTURE DE LA SALLE: MARS 2001Dons de Geneviève MORANGE et de Thierry SCHUTZ
That shows that they werent married in 2001
Today she is called Genevieve Schutz!
The Morange family comes from Clermont-Ferrand. i did find Pierre and 100 other Morange members, but no Genevieve. So i have to stick with the info from daily mail that they are bro+sis.
What was the profession of Pierre Morange. I dont find him as a lawyer at all. However, i find Pierre Morange as a Biomed expert.
Warning: there is a second Genevieve Morange born 1973. Dont mix her up. All the linkedin, facebook and twitter links are from the wrong one.
I found one company that might be ghe real one:
http://www.manageo.fr/fiche_info/308088897/27/morange-genevieve.html
Marlin
18 Dec, 2012 – 9:34 am – You made me smile and we can do with all the smiles we can get these days. Sorry I can’t sign up to your extraction idea, though I put nothing past those who can shoot four people without turning a hair. Maybe it’s the connection with dentists (and we have plenty of them knocking around) of whom I admit I am phobic. Yet still no one takes up the question of the twenty or so military types sent from the BRITISH Embassy. Does no one see their very presence there raises the question “Why?” Question 1. Why were they stationed in Paris. Question 2. Why were they sent to Chevaline? Question 3. What did they do when they got there? After all the killers were long gone so protection couldn’t have been an issue. Soldiers arn’t generally detectives. Troop movements, presumably armed, in a foreign territory are generally not tolerated. Was there fear of some sort of armed confrontation? Was it felt there was just a need for a bit of “muscle” in case of tussle over papers or objects at the scene? Was it to cammouflage individuals within the group with specialist knowledge say in nuclear or intelligence matters and provide them with necessary close protection? Were they there to accompany our friend WBM out of the country and prevent the French getting at him too intensely? Was it to provide British eyes and ears at the scene to help get reliable information? The virtually UNPRECIDENTED act of sending both troops (it has never been denied) and Ambassador to a domestic crime scene, declares as loudly as anything could, that this was not a conventional killing and matters of national security, to Britain at least, were involved. Now people, who will supply more information to answer some of these questions? It is the key to solving the mystery.
Here’s a curious thing.
Geneviève SCHUTZ is described on Giphar website as diplômée d’Orthopédie. (Orthopedics? in a Pharmacie?? Even more curious would be if she was spécialisées d’orthopédie dento-faciale. Would that provide a link with Mrs al Hilli??)
Pierre Morange’s ex wife Véronique GOENS-MORANGE is described in the Huff Post article ‘Emploi fictif : l’ex-femme de Pierre Morange, député UMP, témoigne. Vengeance?’ as infirmière diplômée d’Etat. (I guess equivalent to a state registered nurse. I think he was claiming for his then wife as a political assistant, while she was in fact working as a nurse.)
Looks like they were a medically oriented family.
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Sorry, here’s the Huff Post link:
http://archives-lepost.huffingtonpost.fr/article/2009/06/14/1577769_emploi-fictif-l-ex-femme-de-pierre-morange-depute-ump-temoigne-vengeance.html
Pierre Morange was born on September 8, 1956 in Clermont-Ferrand in the Auverne region, which is next to the Rhône-Alpes region, where Ugine, Annecy (and Grignon) is.
He has 5 children.
Mochyn, Pierre is a docteur, so you are right they seem to be a “medial family” . Genevie could be a bit overqualified for the pharmacy, butthis is better than being underqualified, and all those titles looks good and gives credibility, certainly they don’t detract anything when the purpose is to project authority, and conceivably her special knowledge could be of use sometimes?
But of course, if she is overqualified, this suggest a second marriage [as Bluebird says], because in her first she would have moved in at the proper position in society that better corresponds to her qualifications.
The next question is, “How and why is the vacillating Maillaud, so unsure about everything, be sure about only two (apart from the ludicrously elementary one that the perpetrator “Had killed before”!) namely that the cause of the murders was based in England and that it had absolutely nothing to do with Mollier. Both of these claims you will notice absolve France from any implication of involvement. Is this the top priority of his political masters and the instructions to which he is adhering? Now from the just practical crime-solving point of view, if as he has said Mollier was shot first and most, and Al Hilli only arrived just before 3.30 and was then shot IMMEDIATELY, this means that Mollier would have had to arrived BEFORE, at 3.25 at least. The earlier he passes Martin, the earlier Martin needs to be starting up the hill to say 3.00 which quite definately puts him ahead of the Al Hillis who would have to pass him on the way up. On such a narrow road there is no way Martin could have overlooked or forgotten this. So I am forced to conclude the builders are reliable and the Drossard photo isn’t. That the Al Hillis got to Martinet around 3.0 or soon after and WAITED for Mollier (and the killers?) to arrive. Why oh why Mr Maillaud do you think, having probably fatally wounded Mollier with five body shots, they would COME BACK TO HIM and deliver two more to the head if he had NOT been a specific target?
@Kenneth Sorensen
18 Dec, 2012 – 2:41 pm
You mean, like Denmark’s next to Germany!?
Sorensen, Clermont-Ferrand is definitely not close to Ugine or next-door to it. No French person would claim so.
The House of Savoy (Italian: Casa di Savoia) was formed in the early 11th century in the historical Savoy region. Through gradual expansion, it grew from ruling a small county in that region to eventually rule the Kingdom of Italy from 1861 until the end of World War II. The House of Savoy ruled unified Italy for 85 years with Victor Emmanuel II, Umberto I, Victor Emmanuel III, and Umberto II as monarchs. The last monarch ruled for a few weeks before being overthrown by a Constitutional Referendum; and a new republic was then proclaimed.[1]
The House of Savoy emerged, along with the free communes of Switzerland, in what is now called Switzerland. The name derives from the historical region Savoy in what is now France and Italy. Over time the house expanded from that region to rule almost all of the Italian Peninsula. Yet their growth and survival over the centuries was not based on spectacular conquests, but on gradual territorial expansion through marriage and methodical and highly manipulative political acquisitions. Wikipedia @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Savoy
Believe it or not I have supped with the Prince!
@Tim V
18 Dec, 2012 – 2:57 pm
No, EM’s too smart for that. I think it’s reverse psychology.
Mochyn69
18 Dec, 2012 – 1:56 pm this is the reference you were after i believe:
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/tuerie-de-chevaline-la-piste-du-cycliste-fermee-a-99-9-estime-le-procureur_188727.html
A few interesting connections for what they’re worth!!!!!!
Vittorio Emanuele was born 12 February 1937 in Naples to Umberto, Prince of Piedmont, who would later become the last King of Italy as Umberto II, and Princess Marie-José of Belgium. When Umberto II left Italy after the monarchy was abolished by the Italian constitutional referendum, 1946, the remaining members of the House of Savoy lived in exile, mostly in Switzerland and Portugal, though the old king Victor Emmanuel III, grandfather to Vittorio Emanuele, lived in Egypt until his death in 1947. Following the separation of the exiled ex-King and ex-Queen, Prince Vittorio Emanuele lived with his mother in an estate in Merlinge, Switzerland. Vittorio Emanuele and his family currently reside in Geneva.
After an 11-year engagement, Vittorio Emanuele married Swiss biscuit heiress and world-ranked water skier Marina Ricolfi-Doria in Tehran on 7 October 1971, at the occasion of the 2,500 year celebration of Iran’s monarchy.
Vittorio Emanuele has worked as a banker and an aircraft salesman, and then an arms dealer.[2]
Vittorio Emanuele has one son, Emanuele Filiberto, Prince of Venice and Piedmont, born in Geneva, 22 June 1972, who has two daughters. WIKIPEDIA
Straw.
Eric is 99.9% sure !
Yep, I’ll have some of that bet with you.
@ Tim V 18 Dec, 2012 – 2:57 pm
“The next question is, “How and why is the vacillating Maillaud, so unsure about everything, be sure about only two (apart from the ludicrously elementary one that the perpetrator “Had killed before”!) namely that the cause of the murders was based in England and that it had absolutely nothing to do with Mollier.”
I disagree with the idea that the killer must have killed before. Everybody’s got to start somewhere. In none of the recent, multiple murder massacres has the killer been known to have shot someone previously.
Agreed that the single thing we do know about Chevaline is that the British agencies were involved at a high level. Why, or what they were looking for at Claygate, we don’t know. Something is missing. It might or might not be the cause of the murders. It’s still even possible the killer was our lone nutter who inadvertently and royally screwed up something to do with national security.
spelling* unprecedented @ Tim V
18 Dec, 2012 – 2:22 pm
I did not get an answer regarding Pierre Morange. I did not find anything about him being a lawyer. There is an advocat in Clermont Ferrand who is S. Morange. But there is no Pierre Morange. Pierre Morange I can only find in Biomed. Is that the requested Pierre Morange? Would fit into medicine.
http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/966562/Pierre_Morange
Dont know whether or not he is the correct one, but i found nothing about him being a lawyer.
Tim v
I see you like my link to the House of Savoie.
I did always wonder why those Savoiens seem to be so quiet and everything making a secret, speaking about nothing, etc. Such behaviour you would never experience in e.g germany, uk or usa and not even in paris.
Then i found the Grand Loge de Savoie.
It is in Annecy.
This Loge was found by famous Giuseppe Garibaldi. It is the first and probably most important freemason Lodge Memphis-Misraim. Pretty much the centee of freemasonry. It is centre of Carpe Diem.
Later other loges were found in naples and fiorentina. But tha Annecy Loge (Grand Lige de Savoie) still was the most important Memphis-Misraim freemason Loge.
Your link to Egypt isnt surprising. The Naples Memphis Misraim loge is the Egyptian loge. Egypts (Misraim means Egypt) are in the center of the Grand Loge de Savoie in Naples. Members are also the royals of the House of Savoie, the House of Oranje and the House of Windsor.
3 members in the 1800dreds had the name Martin, the most famous one was Georges Martin. This might be conspiracy, but i read the the Royals of the Grand Loge de Savoie are called the “black royalty”. It is said that the black Royalty is seekung for a new world order (conspiracy?).
However, the Grand Loge de Savoie in Annecy (the center of freemasonry and templars) is reality and it is the centre for the memphis-misraim freemasonry.
Naples was the home of Egyptian Freemasonry, a tradition claiming descent from the Hermetic community dating back to Hellenistic Egypt: there is still a “Nile Square” in the city, and Giordano Bruno, who exalted the “wisdom of Egypt,” was from nearby Nola. The school subsequently came to light through the work of Cagliostro and later of Giuliano Kremmerz, founder of the Hermetic Brotherhood of Myriam. 12 Cagliostro’s “Gospel,” first published in Italian in 1914 and later commented on by Reghini, uses alchemical terminology to describe a path to immortality as well as propounding the use of magical seals, meditation, fasting, and a vegetarian diet.
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Read the last sentence once again …
Immortality and vegetarian diet …
Marquis Manfredi Lanza was a member of the Grand Loge de Savoie.
His cousin cardinal Rampallo was a member. This was the reason for the austrian veto for him becoming pope in 1903.Queen Marguerite de Savoye was a member.
Today Robert Lanza writes in his book biocentrism about immortality and vegetarian diet. …
Were the Champion family members of Memphis-Misraim freemasonry, too?
Sometimes i trust coincidence, however, sometimes there is too much coincidence.
Links:
http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/nov06/a_modern_pythagorean.htm
http://ritesegyptiens.forumactif.org/t442-grande-loge-de-savoie
http://lesarchivesdusavoirperdu.over-blog.com/m/article-19408113.html
Le Grande Loge de Savoie (Annecy).
The center of Carpe Diem and Memphis-Misraim freemasonry.
Why will no one pick up and discuss the “twenty or so military types from the British Embassy” point? For those who follow other sites, has any light been thrown on this issue there?
The famous Loge P2 (criminal popularity) was also connected to the Grande Loge de Savoie in Annecy.
Licio Gelli: Head of the P2 Masonic lodge. Knight of Malta. Member of the Masonic Memphis-Misraim rite Loge de Savoie, the Synarchist branch of Freemasonry. Worked for the OSS in Operation Sunrise, which was connected to Paperclip. The CIA has been identified as being the actual head of P2, and Gelli is closely related to the Operation Gladio networks.
http://www.dejanlucic.net/EGYPTIAN%20FREEMASONRY.html
Maybe a weird thinking, but could the Royalists al Hilli perhaps being members of Memphis-Misraim? Meetings in Annecy? Top secret? Yes, conspiracy. But an idea …
Once upon a time i did note that Saffariya was the city where the Templars lived and that they mixed up with local women, and that the descendants still are believed to have the blood of the Templars. Saffariya – al Saffar.
@Tim V – I think the reason the “20 military types” are not being picked up is because we have nowhere to go with it, other than the obvious. Which is that the events at the Martinet were of extremely high importance – so much so – that 20 people were sent to “secure the site”. Isn’t that what they usually do?
All I have to contribute on this, unfortunately, is logic, something to which our Eric does not feel obligated to.
In the absence of answers here is a list of a few questions (including yours, Tim):
1. when did the “military types” show up on the scene exactly – anyone remembers? has a link?
2. Was the car opened/bodies removed/Zeena found before or after they arrived?
3. Were the 8 hours gap needed to accommodate the arrival of these military types”? I guess I am looking to find a reason for the delay in treating victims/disturbing the scene being about 8 hours.
4. What were they expecting that so many ‘security” people were needed? gather all the evidence? establish cover? fear of potential altercation with a certain agency (the third one) or just as a show of force to establish dominance over the french?
5. If the “military types’ were in Paris and not anywhere near the scene then one thing we can ascertain is that some of what happened didid not follow a script. It was a surprise – otherwise there would have been – mysteriously – a whole bunch of “military types” nearby. This is one of best pointers we have that there was a double – or triple cross involved. Something happened that the brits did not expect or anticipate.
6. The need to secure the scene also points to at least one or more of the parties involved (killed) was a british asset. We all believe it was SAH (as confirmed by the type of search of the Claygate property). But it could have also been his wife or mother-in-law.
7. Since it is clear that SM was a target (there can be no dispute about that – EM practically confirms it by denying with 99.9% certainty (as in “protest too much”) – and we can almost be sure that something ‘went wrong” or there would have been no need to send the “military types” from so far away (see #5 above) – chances are that SM WAS NOT a British “asset” (though he could have been a conduit for the French).
8. The appearance of the British ambassador also points to a need to “smooth things over”. Who with? the French? the “Third agency”?
9. Do we have any information at all about what the “military types’ did on the scene and/or for how long they stayed?
10. Finally – Tim’s question – what were they all doing in Paris anyways? was there a meeting of spooks somewhere or was it just a lovely vacation junket?
One last thing to point out – I read a note from someone (forgot who) above suggesting that there may have been a plan for some “horse trading”. Maybe indeed just one or both of of the Al Hilli women expected to be spirited to “safety” in return for information from Saad? or Saad effectively delivering SM to his killers? Saad who was handled by the handler Martin there to confirm that the brits had a dog in the fight? if the brits lost their asset then they would be quite annoyed, I should think. If BM was the actual target – just barely missing his own date with fate, again brits will be mad-as-hell – in which case I am surprised they didn’t send 30 “military types’ rather than just 20.
As much as the security detail is a dead give=away that something was afoot and the Brits had a role, so is the fact that there are no known photos and hardly any information on the Al-Hilli women. Someone wants that information hidden, just as they wanted SM’s face hidden from prying eyes.
Got to keep eyes on the ball(s)….sorry i can’t join the hoopla about the Lanza + royals, though it is all quite interesting information people are unearthing. These threads have been quite educational in some intended and unintended ways….
The P2 connections with Grande Loge de Savoie in Annecy moves GLADIO into the center of interest. That would also answer the questions regarding the military guys.
I am more and more sure that this was a GLADIO operation.
P2 had close contacts to Saddam. Calvi could manage that he got weapons worth 5 billion us$ instead of the ordered and authorized wheat from the USA.
P2 members who had tried to leak something were all killed, e.g. Calvi.
Iraq definitely had close connections to P2 and that was a time when Hashim al Hilli was Iraq’s first and most important foreign representative.
We had an Italian NATO guy on our list before.
This is – in my opinion, a typical GLADIO thing regarding a traitor and possible leaker of secret internal information. Everybody in Ugine or Amnecy could work for GLADIO or for the Grande Loge in Annecy.
Here are some GLADIO links in english. Worth reading, particularly the P2 links to Saddam.
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio
http://www.theanomalieschannel.com/operation-gladio-the-illuminatis-private-army/
http://www.mgr.org/Footnote-1.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-nato-resurrect-operation-gladio-to-frame-gaddafi.html
Here is also an interesting quote from a blog, pointing to GLADIO:
Isn’t it very, very, very curious that the NATO media, who had probably never heard of Saad al Hilli, had the case solved within hours and put out the cover story that his brother had killed Saad and his family over a feud, but a very good friend of the family for 20 years says there was no feud and suggests Israel killed him.This is the same NATO media who told us that Iraq had WMDs that could hit our backyard barbecues in 45 minutes, and that Dr David Kelly (who had converted to Bahai who oppose suicide) killed himself. Whoever could order the NATO media to tell us that BS can easily order them to tell us more BS about a shooting in France (as they did with Mohammed Merah in Toulouse earlier this year).
This is interesting from an iraqi freemason site:
Masonry exists in many of the MidEast nations. I suggest you check with the British Embassy in your country of residence. Also, if there are American companies operating there (such as ARAMCO, Halliburton, KBR, etc), you can make an inquiry. Wherever there are Americans and Brits, there is Freemasonry in one form or another. I am working with the Grand Lodge of New York, to get a lodge re-established in Iraq (primarily for American soldiers and civilians). There is a group of Iraqis, operating in secret, who are working with the Grand Lodge of England to establish a Grand Lodge of Iraq, and have masonry return to Iraq permanently. These men are risking their lives to build a lodge meeting hall, and to perform degree work (in the future). May the Great Architect protect them! Signature Charles E. Martin?? , AfghanistanMy blog about Masonry in Afghanistan and Iraq:(Send me a PM)
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These (iraqi) men in London are risking their lives ….
Interesting indeed
Good questions and opinions Marlin and as always respect BB for your encyclopaedic knowledge of the underworld, whether right or wrong as an explanation. (I have to say I am not convinced) Now we have posed the questions the answers can only start coming. Hopefully not all the military and diplomatic sources have dried up?
Fixing their arrival and departure times would be a start. If I remember correctly, I don’t think bodies (apart from survivors) were removed until about lunch time the next day. I agree with your 5 Marlin. We need to explain why they were in Paris – presumably on stand-by for something, whether for this or something else we don’t know, but we do know that once it happened it was important enough, and ticked all the right boxes, for them to be dispatched. Did they come by road or air? Was it because it was perceived as a possible threat to Will and Kate holidaying in the south. Of course security hadn’t prevented the topless pictures with a telephoto, that might as well have been a gun sight. Did they travel on there or return to Paris and did they take WBM with them? He certainly returned, and was allowed to return, almost immediately after, and then was back again in Chevaline by Saturday.
It is generally quite exceptional to allow Police in another country, let alone soldiers, in relation to what was being described as a “conventional” murder. Nor would soldiers rather than police, be the obvious choice for a crime. This must be one of the biggest confirmations that we have to the event’s national security significance, and therefore to what can only be described as French fabrication. Part of the problem is that it is very difficult to rely on anything said officially and by the major “players”.
Closer co-operation between French and British in military matters, as well as in nuclear – both military and commercial, has been well publicised. Does the reaction to this event demonstrate greater co-operation or distrust? Both political leaders certainly wanted to present an impression of the former but we have no idea if this reflects true feeling at Vauxhall Bridge (Incidentally did you know there were two big explosions there in 2000? see http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/mi6-building-is-rocked-by-two-explosions-698855.html )
As to the purpose of this group of soldiers (presumably specialists) there has never been an explanation. This and the exceptional response to the Al Hilli house, make nonsense of Maillauds assurances. Poor chap, he certainly has been made to look the foolish fallguy. One would think the press would ask these questions of government but they have been stupine. One assumes they are terrified of government as never before with Leveson still pending. Either that or security chiefs have taken editors into their confidence and persuaded them its not in the national interest to spill the beans. What scenario could possibly do that?
Finally as I have previously flagged up, SAH obtained his British citizenship months before the invasion of Iraq, probably I would suggest as part of a deal. We have the report (very strange this in all the circumstances) that Sylvain Mollier was also in the process of doing so at the time of his death. Does this indicate he also was a British asset? Was he also fearful as to his security? Was the information flowing from Mollier to Al Hilli to British Intelligence of either French assistance to the Israeli’s or to the Iranians. or to both, or to others not excluding Syria?
@ Tim V 18 Dec, 2012 – 11:39 pm
@ Marlin 19 Dec, 2012 – 12:52 am
“Why will no one pick up and discuss the “twenty or so military types from the British Embassy” point? For those who follow other sites, has any light been thrown on this issue there?”
There are novel suggestions at:
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/the-chevaline-shootings-saad-al-hilli-sylvain-mollier-brett-martin-philippe-didierjean-and-xavier-baligant/
Lynda 12-18-2012 at 14:50:05
Peter 12-18-2012 at 15:08:49
Lynda 12-18-2012 at 15:37:56
Tim v
The Iranian link of the House of Savoie is not surprising either.
Schah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi was a member of the Memphis Misraim Grande Loge de Savoie. His first Egyptian wife comes from a Memphis Misraim family who was very active in the Naples lodge.
I see the suicides of his children in a different light now.
What do we know regarding Sarkozy and Morange regarding Lodges?
Brother Mollier meeting Brother Hilli?
I see all those people loving Annecy from a different point of view now. E.g. that american white collar crook. It is not only the nice landscape. It is probably the brothers and sisters in Annecy who are helpful and charming.
I know that some – probably rightfully – ignore that as conspiracy. However, we have had so many dead in the aftermath of P2 so that a GLADIO assassination for whatever reason might be possible.