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55 thoughts on “The 4.45pm Link

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  • Suhayl Saadi

    The Forer piece is revelatory and magnificent. A critique one one aspect of power. Craig Murray’s website encourages rational debate, not the repeated and voluminous use of the same, significatory phrases as a means to discredit. It will not work. People see the truth. Blood, war, money. Our leaders, engaged in mass murder for profit. Good on Richard Forer for providing this very useful testimony.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Suhayl, as much as you hate, you’re going to have to realise that Israel is here to stay. As much as you want to wipe it away, it will remain. Many members of Fatah have figured this out. You haven’t, because you’re a hateful person.

    This is not a blog of peace or understanding. This is a blog of Jew hatred and silly anti-Americanism.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    It is the middle of the night in the USA. Interesting.

    Craig Murray blog-site is a port of illumination in the midst of great darkness. It is a port of hope in the midst of war. It is a measured symphony in the midst of howling propaganda. Like the site of Scottish Jews for a Just Peace, I would recommend it to anyone.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Craig Murray’s website is a locus of hope, progressive thought and enlightenment. It fosters polite but vigorous debate on issues of the day, especially those concerning foreign policy; Iraq, Afghanistan, Central Asia, various aspects of Africa; as well as on domestic UK politics. The two are enmeshed, of course. No volume of disinformation and crass cyber attempts to link it with negative phraseology will succeed. There are too many people out there who see power for what it is.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “progressive thought?”


    But of course I would say that, because I’m a Jewish agent.

    Have you been able to figure out who I am yet, or are you simply dense?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Heh Suhayl, is a site that makes various claims that George Bush and/or the Jews did 911 also “a locus of hope, progressive thought and enlightenment.”

    I think you would say that.

  • Craig


    I believe that Richard Forer is actually Jewish. So how linking to an excellent article by him exhibits anti-semitism is beyond me. And yet again, nobody is mentionig 9/11 on this thread except you.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “I believe that Richard Forer is actually Jewish.”

    There it is. Great argument. You can’t possibly be that stupid.

    “nobody is mentionig 9/11 on this thread except you.”

    I’m not even going to check (could go either way). It suffices that you link to a site that prominently features writers who believe that the Jews did 911.

    And of course it’s not the first time, Craig Murray. For fuck’s sake, at least be honest.

    (If you’re having a problem with how difficult this is, perhaps you should refrain from all the hatred).

  • Suhayl Saadi

    An illustration of precisely what I’d written earlier. When there are no cogent arguments to make, the purveyors of distraction and disinformation begin to attack individuals. It doesn’t matter. The facts are plain. They don’t dare attack Craig Murray on his human rights record; they know that’s a losing wicket. So they try to associate his website with all manner of ludicrous tendencies in an attempt to discredit it. Check out the website of the Scottish Jews for a Just Peace. It’s excellent and is a prime example of people ‘voting with their feet’. Good on them! Good on Scottish Jews for a Just Peace! Anyone with a conscience ought to support them.

  • mike cobley

    Is Larry off his meds? – please, Larry, ya gotta call them nice people at the clinic, okay? Come down off the wardrobe, put away that copy of Atlas Shrugged, and we’ll get you a niiiccce cup of cocoa. The nurse will be here shortly.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Check out the website of the Scottish Jews for a Just Peace.”

    OK, I’ll trust you that it’s a nice site. I like Scots, and Jews, and the word “Just” and Peace, so OK, maybe later.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    mike cobley – you’re a moron who believes that 911 was an inside job. You’ve presented exactly no evidence.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    More of the same.

    It is fascinating to gain an inner view from Richard Forer, unaccompanied by ideology, of the workings of organisations such as AIPAC, since apart from the political point-of-view, such organisations actually oppress Jewish people.

    It is an intriguing vignette of part of the machine of contemporary imperialism.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “unaccompanied by ideology”

    Really? He publishes at a site full of Jew-hating 911 truthers!

  • Suhayl Saadi

    How many British soldiers will have to die to fulfill the squalid dreams of untold riches and power harboured by the rulers of the USA? How many American soldiers will have to die to fulfill the dreams of hegemony of their rulers? Perhaps they ought to re-introduce the draft. Would that send people onto the streets? Actually, people are on the streets in the USA – it just doesn’t get reported. Detroit, right now, this past week. Magnificent. News blackout, though, by the organs of corporate war. Surprising? No.

  • Abe Rene

    Suhayl, many thanks for the link to SJJP. It’s heartening to know that organisations like that exist.

    Larry from St Louis, you appear to be as obsessed with the idea that the contributors to this blog hate Jews or believe that they started 9/11, as the warped general in Dr. Strangelove who believed that Communists were out to poison American body fluids through their water supply. Jews and Israelis are among my friends by correspondence, and I believe that Osama Bin Laden was the inspiration behind 9/11 as well as the bombing of American embassies in Africa in the previous decade. That’s a good reason to pursue Al-Qaeda and put them out of business. It’s not a good reason to treat the whole Palestinian community unjustly. Israel’s survival depends on seeking greater harmony with its Arab neighbours, most immediately the Palestinians.

  • technicolour

    Larry responded! What does he think of SJJP? Can he break out of his prescribed sentences? Wonder what he thinks of the Shminitsim?

    Thanks Abe and Suhayl. Think the atmosphere in Israel must be pretty tense: it took me half an hour to convince a friend of mine (who’s living in Jerusalem) that, while I condemned the actions of the Israeli regime, and supported calls to free Gaza, this did not mean I hated Israelis. Half an hour! But he had been attacked by just about everyone he met in the UK simply for living in Israel.

    Forder piece very interesting, “control” and plus sign, to increase print size helps.

  • mike cobley

    Larry, dude, you need to lay off the extra-strength expresso.

    “mike cobley – you’re a moron who believes that 911 was an inside job. You’ve presented exactly no evidence.”

    Uh huh, thats because I never mentioned 9-11 on this thread, you nincompoop, nor have I banged on about it elsewhere on Craig’s blog. But! – going by the Larry-approved theory of guilt by association, since I post here on a blog along with 9-11 ‘nutjobs’ ((c)LFSL Productions), then I must SURELY BE a vile creature of calumny. Just as that bozo Arsalan thinks that ALL lib dem party members are mouth-frothing zionists because the party has a few pro-zionist members. Man, wow, the logic is so impeccable, so head-swooningly convincing!


  • Suhayl Saadi

    I can’t seem to post on the ‘Sheikh Abdul Azaz Bukhari thread’ so here’s a post I tried to put there half-anhour ago, in response to technicolour. I’m sorry if eventually it all ends up repeating!

    Yes, it’s very odd, isn’t it? It seemed so much of a caricature and a rather pathetic, personally-directed attack, it was almost ironic. Which is why, perhaps unfairly, I thought of Arsalan (where are you, my friend?), although it seemed altogether too vicious.

    But then, you’d think that as has been the case when someone has adopted the persona, the ‘real’ ‘Larry’ would’ve come forward to deny that it was ‘him’/ ‘them’/’it’, and so far ‘he’/’they’/’it’ haven’t. So maybe it was the actual disinformation team assigned to Craig Murray’s website.

    I could supply the chuntering monkeys of Empire with bananas galore, if it would stop them attempting to justify the unjustifiable.

    Perhaps now, in whatever multiple jet-lagging timezones they dwell, they’re catching-up on some well-earned kip. Or perhaps, they’ve been sacked for incompetance. As I said somewhere else, Rip Van Winkle. Perhaps they had had too much pepper vodka. Or that green stuff that comes from Finland…

  • Paul


    Re Posted by: Craig at June 25, 2010 10:43 PM

    “I think it is triggered when we are under very heavy spam attack.”

    The missing comments aren’t just getting filed under spam are they? Just a thought.

    Perhaps I shouldn’t have posted such a long comment.

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