55 thoughts on “The 4.45pm Link

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  • Paul

    Craig,

    Just wondering. Why does your blog sometimes allow posting of comments immediately and at other times you get the message explaining that they appear after you have vetted them (if ‘vetted’ is the right word)?

    Is it an option you turn on depending the your original post’s topic? Or is it just older threads that get this message?

  • Craig

    curiously, it is a completely erroneous message. There is nowhere I have ever discovered within Movable Type that comments which get that message are stored – they just vanish for ever. And comment moderation is never on.

    I think it is triggered when we are under very heavy spam attack.

  • Anonymous

    Now if only Debbie Schussel could read and understand what is written, that would be good..

    what an excellent piece

    regards

  • crig

    “if only Debbie Schussel could read and understand”

    yes – probably easier to train en emu to do it.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Going through the other articles at that site …

    “Jewish ideology and psychosis ?” a danger to world peace”

    No, Craig Murray, you’re not a Jew-hater – not at all.

    Your belief that the University of Michigan is full of students who believe in end-of-times apocalyptic Christianity is indicative of (i) your inability to think through issues (ii) your being influenced by things you want to believe (in this case, extreme and predictable British anti-Americanism) and (iii) the idiot company that you keep.

    Are the Jews still going after this website, Craig?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Do you still regard democrats.com as an entity that speaks for Democrats?

    They’re even more 911 Truth nuts whom you cite with authority.

    How the fuck did you get appointed as an ambassador?

  • Abe Rene

    Larry from St Louis; so as not to make yourself hostage to the charge tat you are merely being diversionary, could you please write a point-by-point response to Richard Forer’s article and post it here – if you can. If you are unable to do so, please provide a link to an article by someone with widely respectable credentials who has done so.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    How easy was this? I easily find an article at redress.cc titled “Fox in the henhouse: can we trust Israeli security companies?”

    With the paragraph:

    “Times Square was supposed to get us to forget the Mossad fiasco in Detroit, another airport managed by Israelis. When the Indian passenger picked out by the bomb dogs was taken into custody, where did that video go? What was his name? Did he simply disappear? Was he sent back to Israel like the dancing Israeli video crew on 9/11? When the government of Yemen reported that the “Al-Qaeda” operatives, you remember, the ones Dick Cheney released from Guantanamo, had been in contact with Israeli handlers, where did that story go?”

    YOU PEOPLE LIVE IN FANTASY WORLDS!

    (and – if you’re too dumb to understand what he wrote above – the author of that article is a full-blown 911 nutter:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/03/08/gordon-duff-911-and-current-attempts-to-cover-up-an-american-holocaust/

    )

  • glenn

    Wow – talk about dog-whistle politics! Craig, it appears your minders have a very limited set of interests. You can go about your business, as long as you don’t stray into areas taped off with “Warning! Stay out!”

    Most commentators meekly move on. Thank God some people like you duck under the tape, and go into the area anyway for a look around.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Craig, it appears your minders have a very limited set of interests.”

    Yes, the JOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSS are after you!

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    A must-read:

    Richard Forer’s book, Breakthrough: Transforming Fear into Compassion ?” A New Perspective on the Israel-Palestine Conflict, will be available in autumn 2010.

    Agree Glenn – “Tread on a worm and it will turn”

    To whom do lions cast their gentle looks?

    Not to the beast that would usurp their den.

    The smallest worm will turn being trodden on,

    And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood.'”

    Henry VI, Part 3

  • Abe Rene

    Larry from St Louis: you have failed to either write or provide a point-by-point refutation of Richard Forer’s article. Therefore, the rest of us are entitled to assume that you are unable to do so, and so consider its viewpoints seriously.

  • Hatari

    Great Post Craig, very informative. I hope the MPs in the LFIx2 and CFI read the article too. About time they they snapped out of their delusion that they are serving UK interests by pandering to a foreign pariah state.

    You certainly ruffled Larry he is running around spewing his Odour all over the place. Remember he convinces no one so do not waste time wrestling with the Skunk unless you want to end up smelling like him.

    Larry I came across this article. Check with your desk if it is true or 911 nutter

    “Murderous blood flows in Israeli arteries,” says the grandson of former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin (Menachem Begin was a terrorist leader in the Irgun Gang famous for blowing up British citizens in the King David Hotel). http://www.paltelegraph.com/diaries/featured-articles/4146-begins-grandson-q

    This boy has a heart of gold to speak out such truth or is he an Antisemite

  • Hatari

    Larry the Traitor do you like the USA being a Vassal State of little Israel. You like paying taxes to fund the Zionist IDF murderous killing sprees including killing Americans. You like that Larry? R U an American Patriot Larry?

    In the Name of Zionism Uri Avnery (Jewish author in Israel)

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1272099579

    .. .. The leaders of the “Zionist State” depend to a large extent upon the Diaspora and use it for their own purposes. The Exile-Jewish AIPAC ensures the subjection of the US Congress to the will of the Israeli government. The “Anti-Defamation League” (which should more properly be called the “Defamation League”) is terrorizing the American media in order to prevent any criticism of Israeli policy. In the past, the United Jewish Appeal was essential for the economic wellbeing of Israel .. .. If one speaks in Israel of “Zionism”, one means “not Arab”. A “Zionist” state means a state in which non-Jewish citizens cannot be full partners. Eighty percent of Israel’s citizens (the Jews) are telling the other twenty percent (the Arabs): the state belongs to us, not to you [after having invaded it in 1948 and genodiced Palestinians to a minority]. .. ..

  • Abe Rene

    Hatari, that’s an idea: why not send Richard Forer’s article to the ADL and ask them for a detailed refutation? They will at least have to engage with it seriously even to do that!

  • Anonymous

    The angry resentful Islamophobic Yank troll with the superiority complex finally lost it. (grin)

  • glenn

    Actually, since this link got awarded a 6-star alert by St. Loony, I’ll not only read the whole reference in detail rather than skimming it, but will pass it around. May I humbly suggest to readers of this blog, that other posts highlighted with multiple-star St.Loony alerts are going to be worth one’s attention.

    If it gets a St. Loony alert, pass it on. Good work for once! I knew the tea-bagger could make itself useful.

  • Hatari

    Abe Rene

    Do not expect any response from the ADL, they are not a transparent organization they rely on suppression, intimidation and falsification of news and information pertaining to Zionism and Israel. There has been many attempts exorcise the Zionist devil form the American Psyche. Here is one such attempt by Benjamin Freedman’s speech, given in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington , D.C. , on behalf of Conde McGinley ‘ s patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense.

    Mr. Freedman a Jewish Defector Warns America : Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

    [Brief excerpt from Freedman’s speech]

    What I intend to tell you tonight is something that you have never been able to learn from any other source, and what I tell you now concerns not only you, but your children and the survival of this country and Christianity. I ‘ m not here just to dish up a few facts to send up your blood pressure, but I ‘ m here to tell you things that will help you preserve what you consider the most sacred things in the world: the liberty, and the freedom, and the right to live as Christians, where you have a little dignity, and a little right to pursue the things that your conscience tells you are the right things, as Christians.

    Now, first of all, I ‘ d like to tell you that on August 25th 1960 — that was shortly before elections — Senator Kennedy, who is now the President of the United States , went to New York , and delivered an address to the Zionist Organization of America. In that address, to reduce it to its briefest form, he stated that he would use the armed forces of the United States to preserve the existence of the regime set up in Palestine by the Zionists who are now in occupation of that area.

    In other words, Christian boys are going to be yanked out of their homes, away from their families, and sent abroad to fight in Palestine against the Christian and Moslem Arabs who merely want to return to their homes. And these Christian boys are going to be asked to shoot to kill these innocent [Arab Palestinians] people who only want to follow out fifteen resolutions passed by the United Nations in the last twelve years calling upon the Zionists to allow these people to return to their homes.

    Now, when United States troops appear in the Middle East to fight with the Zionists as their allies to prevent the return of these people who were evicted from their homes in the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists who were transplanted there from Eastern Europe … when that happens, the United States will trigger World War III.

    You say, when will that take place? The answer is, as soon as the difficulty between France and Algeria has been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have settled their difficulty, and the Arab world, or the Moslem world, has no more war on their hands with France, they are going to move these people back into their homes, and when they do that and President kennedy sends your sons to fight over there to help the crooks hold on to what they stole from innocent men, women and children, we will trigger World War III; and when that starts you can be sure we cannot emerge from that war a victor. We are going to lose that war because there is not one nation in the world that will let one of their sons fight with us for such a cause.

    And what is the reason? The reason is that here in the United States , the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons too many and too complex to go into here at this — time I ‘ ll be glad to answer questions, however, to support that statement — the Zionists and their co-religionists rule this United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country.

    Full Speech on this WEB

    http://www.sweetliberty.org

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Hatari, please tell us more about the JOOOOOOOOOSSSSSS being in charge of America!

  • Fingal

    That was an immensely detailed and indeed highly academic article by Richard Forer, rebutting the amusingly trite position of student “J” who is clearly something of a Zionist naif, and I suspect naif totale in matters worldly.

    http://www.redress.cc/palestine/rforer20100621

    Student “J” is obviously an American.

    Americans despite all their claims to a fundamentally human democratic homogeneity are in fact a deeply divided society along ethnic lines, presumed and otherwise.

    It’s not just Blacks, Whites, Browns, Chinks and Jews. It’s “you’re not really black, not really like, and I’m real Black” and “you’re from this European country and I’m from another” and “you’re a Hindu and I’m a Muslim” and “you Koreans and Chinese are inferior to my Japanese” and “if you say anything I don’t like, your mother should have brought you up a better Jew”.

    When you look under the bonnet, that’s what America is like. It’s not exactly a secret. It’s a deeply divided society, amongst itself. That’s obvious all the time.

    That’s why young people growing up in America in seeking out an identity for themselves overemphasise their presumed originary cultural identity. It’s less problematic for the earlier settling white tribes than it is for later arrivals, but it’s still there even amongst the earliest arrivals.

    The horror though for those living in the ancient lands from whence these American immigrants came is that these Americans in seeking out their original identity will impose a purity upon that identity and land, that never really existed in the first place.

    I’ve experienced this from an Irish perspective, albeit mildly, but I suspect that the Palestinians and Israelis are finding it visited upon them more forcefully and in much more detrimental fashion.

    There’s probably nothing worse than an American, from the greatest superpower the planet has ever known, just wanting to cuddle up and hug you because it thinks you’re its mum.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Well, Fingal, that’s just silly self-indulgent boring anti-Americanism. You’re simply full of hate. I believe that you came to America, but you’re one of those idiot European who came over planning to have a bad experience, seeking out every bad encounter.

    Now I do find it silly when an American says she’s part Polish and part Irish and part French, but it’s harmless, and that exact behavior or analogous behavior can be found in Ireland or the UK.

  • somebody

    One third of the comments so far on this post are from LfStL.

    Does he come here by way of CAMERA, Hasbara, Megaphone, or is he just a stooge of the Israel Project? Much about stooges on Redress by the way.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Great article, Craig! Thank you. Abe, you’re spot-on. The more this site is subjected to attack and insult, the closer it gets to the bone. As Vronsky quite rightly suggested, let’s not get tied-up trying to ‘refute’ the repetitive incantations generated by systemic time-wasters. The issues are the thing. War, torture, the economy, the manner in which all these interplay to the extent of being part of the same fabric of hegemonic power.

    So, spread the article which Craig posted, far and wide, and also the news that Craig Murray’s website is a place for serious debate and for the application of a sustained critique of power.

    In other words, as you have demonstrated very well, Abe, and good on you for it, the message is, we, the people of the world who see clearly through the blood and mendacity of power, we will not be moved.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    How many are dead in Iraq and Afghanistan as a consequence of US/ UK/ NATO wars? How many are dead, who otherwise would have been alive? How many children have our weapons incinerated? These are the questions that will never go away. This is reality. Everything else is diversion.

    This is why millions marched to try and stop the attack on Iraq. Now, millions more know the outcome of the wars which the West pursues. No lies will change the fact that millions see power clearly for what it is.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    You see, like Craig Murray, Richard Forer is a whistleblower who does not stop blowing the whistle. And as I stated on a previous, recent, thread, this is precisely the reason this website comes under such sustained – and increasingly aggressive, at times overtly threatening – attack. People like Forer will be subjected to especially vicious attack by those who, laughably, scream the usual charge at anyone who criticises anything Israel does; particularly strong vitriol is reserved for Jewish people who dare to question any of Israel’s actions. This is a form of political oppression and harassment which is no longer able to be hidden. Too many Jewish people see exactly what is happening and are no longer afraid to speak out about it. And good on them!

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Suhayl, you ignore the point that every site that Craig Murray links to is almost immediately linked to hateful claims of the Jews having done 911.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Suhayl: “Craig Murray’s website is a place for serious debate and for the application of a sustained critique of power”

    You’ve got to be kidding me. It’s a site for people who hate Americans and Jews.

    Craig Murray believes that the University of Michigan is composed of students who believe in the end-of-days. Do you know how unbelievably stupid that is?

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