Cupar 132


Tonight’s meeting is upstairs at Watts of Cupar (Fife) 7pm. I have been astonished by the wave of popular enthusiasm and above all by the incredible meld of social media activism and old-fashioned street campaigning. The mainstream media have no idea what is going on as, on the rare occasions they try to cover a Yes happening, they are utterly thrown by the absence of men in suits to interview.

The other quite astonishing thing is the level of political radicalism at all the events I have attended. The world should pay attention to Robin McAlpine. In my view, Robin has the ability to become one of the most important contemporary political philosophers not just in Scotland, but in the World. His ideas of future political and social co-operation in more useful forms of economic transaction, and of politics without party structure, are profound. When the campaigning dies down I will discuss further.

Nobody wants simply to repeat Westminster corporate power structures in Scotland. There is a movement happening here which is truly revolutionary and feels like nothing I have experienced in my life before. I am deeply moved. If we achieve independence, it truly will be the victory of the people, not the politicians.

Postscript

An encounter at the Wellgate Centre Dundee today captured a key aspect of the campaign for me. An old lady refused to take one of our Yes leaflets. She said she was Labour, and that she had been told by the Labour Party that if Independence came, we would let all the foreigners in. I have no doubt she was telling the truth.

The Labour Party – running a Tory funded campaign against the people to try to hang on to their Westminster jobs, and resorting to the racist tactics of UKIP. An absolute moral disgrace.


132 thoughts on “Cupar

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  • Resident Dissident

    @Macky

    What right do you think that you have to make all and sundry account for their actions in your usual hectoring manner when you so conspicuously resist being held to account for your own.

    Unlike yourself I am quite comfortable with others having different views with my own. That it is possible to do so in this country is one of the many reasons that it makes me proud to be British – I appreciate that tolerance and free speech are not key features of the regimes that you tend to favour.

    As for Craig, even though I disagree with much of what he says, and I have never noticed any hesitation on my part in disagreeing with what he says, he unlike yourself does say something of interest to say.

    One of the things that perhaps you should understand about human nature is that there are some people who actually rejoice in people’s differences, while there are others like yourself who get rather hot under the collar about non conformists who wish to challenge the order of things. This of course explains your support and resolute defence of the likes of Putin, Assad, Ghadaffi, Saddam and Galloway, and I suspect the good old Soviet Union, and you evident dislike for traditional liberals such as Craig. I must say that I did laugh recently when you tried to claim you were on the Left given the fan clubs of which you are a member – most peculiar.

    @Resident Dissident, since you’ve teamed up for another troll pack attack on Mary, it reminds me of a previous troll pack attack on her, when you & the Habbu-Clown deliberately misrepresented one of her comments, so as to embark on campaign lasting many days, in which you both ceaselessly accused her of “hating her country”, which I’m sure you remember; so in view of Craig’s recent comments of the UK being “pathological state which is a danger in the world, a rogue state”, & “I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom”, which is by far the strongest “self-hating” & “anti-Western” comments that I’ve ever seen anybody make on this Blog, why are you & your fellow trolls not giving Craig the same treatment you gave Mary ? In fact I recalled that you in particular worked yourself up into rather a self-righteous fury, so I’m actually surprised that you still are posting on Craig’s blog ! 😀

  • Fedup

    The sick Jemand the devian scum is now referring to stormfront!

    What do stromfront publish that Jemand the sick dangerous deviant scum does not?

    And keeps on publishing

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    resident cliché in a moment of total dissonance;

    Unlike yourself I am quite comfortable with others having different views with my own. ………– I appreciate that tolerance and free speech are not key features of the regimes that you tend to favour.

    Then the next comment is an indication of the degrees of tolerance and affording others to have their “own views”

    Well so long as everyone’s view is the same as resident cliché, that is.

    This is passed as debate by resident cliché.

  • Resident Dissident

    Fedup

    Freedom of speech included the right to criticise as you know only too well, in fact I doubt you use it for anything else.

  • Macky

    LOL !! @ Resident Dissident ! 😀

    At least you haven’t done one of your famous disappearing, yet, but you might as well have in view of the embarrassing, yet so revealing, nonsense of a “reply”; the main revelation of course being your inability to answer why you give Craig a free pass over real strong anti-Britain comments, in contrast to your apoplectic reaction, (lasting weeks!) to Mary’s misrepresented yet still MILDER “anti-Britain” comment ! 😀

    “What right do you think that you have to make all and sundry account for their actions”

    Because highlighting irrationalities & pulling up hypocrites is an inherent component of engaging in forum debates.

    “in your usual hectoring manner”

    Surely you are confusing my style with your troll tag-team partner, the School Master styled Habba-Clown ?

    “when you so conspicuously resist being held to account for your own”

    Yes, so “conspicuously” that you will easily be able to provide examples 😀

    “Unlike yourself I am quite comfortable with others having different views with my own”

    LOL! X 100 !! Yes that’s why you hounded Mary for weeks over her innocuous remark that you deliberately misrepresented; that’s why you engage in bitter troll-pack attacks, and frequently work yourself up into states of self-righteous fury; that’s why you are the Anti-Semitic Witch Finder General, always the first to smear somebody as such on the slightest pretext; that’s why you threated to report this Blog to the Police and so blackmailed (or maybe gave a handy pretext to) Jon to shut the comments down for months; etc, etc so yes “quite comfortable with others having different views with my own” in only your counter-reality fantasy.

    “That it is possible to do so in this country is one of the many reasons that it makes me proud to be British”

    See above & spot the irony.

    “I appreciate that tolerance and free speech are not key features of the regimes that you tend to favour”

    Cheap throw around lying smear;

    “As for Craig, even though I disagree with much of what he says, and I have never noticed any hesitation on my part in disagreeing with what he says”

    Off you go then, as you say you are “proud to be British”, & he’s just said ,“I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom”; the proof is in the puddle, so I wait with baited breath ! 😀

    “he unlike yourself does say something of interest to say”

    So you find interesting somebody who states things that you mostly disagree with ! You must be riveted by me, Mary, etc 😀

    “One of the things that perhaps you should understand about human nature is that there are some people who actually rejoice in people’s differences”

    ?? Err, but don’t you often get rather hot under the collar with people who have different views to yourself !

    “while there are others like yourself who get rather hot under the collar about non conformists who wish to challenge the order of things”

    Hang on ! I need another LOL ! Are you actually are calling yourself a “non conformist” !! That must explain all your pro-Establiments POVs ! 😀

    “This of course explains your support and resolute defence of the likes of Putin, Assad, Ghadaffi, Saddam and Galloway, and I suspect the good old Soviet Union”

    Yawn time again, yes more cheap throw around lying misreprsentations & smears.

    “and you evident dislike for traditional liberals such as Craig”

    He went from being a Blair Babe straight to supporting the Liberals, to now being a pro EU Russian hating propagandist; all so very traditional liberal !!

  • doug scorgie

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    30 Aug, 2014 – 5:38 pm

    “Since a Yes vote is supposed to wipe the slate clean, will there be an immediate general election in Scotland in the event of Scotland gaining independence?”

    —————————————-

    Why the rush Habbabkuk?

    In the event of a Yes vote there will be a period for negotiation (agreed by the UK government) until March 2016.

    There are many issues to be addressed before an election not least which policies will be adopted by the three major parties, Conservative, Labour and the LibDems if they intend to stand for election in Scotland which they of course do.

    Currently they have no policies for an independent Scotland, so what choices can they offer the electorate?

    Anyway an immediate election would never be agreed to by Westminster because they still want to scupper independence and the more delay the better from their point of view:

    “Chair of the constitution committee, Labour peer Baroness Jay of Paddington, said: “The prime minister should feel under no obligation to conclude negotiations by March 2016.”
    “The Scottish government’s proposed timetable has no legal or constitutional standing.”

    http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/referendum-uk-could-delay-scottish-3549619

  • doug scorgie

    Mary
    30 Aug, 2014 – 10:32 pm

    “The new chair of the BBC Trust…Rona Fairhead…”

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    Yes Mary, just the person I would choose if I wanted to commercialise the BBC along the lines of Murdoch’s Fox News.

  • Kempe

    “Since a Yes vote is supposed to wipe the slate clean, will there be an immediate general election in Scotland in the event of Scotland gaining independence?”

    No of course not. Wee Eck will probably declare himself president for life and do everything he can to make sure the SNP don’t relinquish power until they have to. then there’s the constitution to sort out.

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0045/00452762.pdf

  • Resident Dissident

    “being your inability to answer why you give Craig a free pass over real strong anti-Britain comments”

    I didn’t – http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/cupar/#comment-475625

    and here http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/my-scotland/#comments

    ““As for Craig, even though I disagree with much of what he says, and I have never noticed any hesitation on my part in disagreeing with what he says”

    Off you go then, as you say you are “proud to be British”, & he’s just said ,“I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom”; the proof is in the puddle, so I wait with baited breath ! :D”

    Read more carefully – there are many things on which I disagree with Craig and I have expressed my disagreement many times in the past – there are also many points on which I disagree. Intelligent people have no problem with this happening.

    “That must explain all your pro-Establiments POVs ! :D” You should read some of my rare posts here on economics, taxes and public services (rare because such issues are not discussed that often)

    “He went from being a Blair Babe straight to supporting the Liberals, to now being a pro EU Russian hating propagandist; all so very traditional liberal !!”

    Liberal with a small l you dolt – in terms of philosophy and political theory I don’t think Craig’s views have changed that much. For a liberal to be anything but opposed to Putin would represent total hypocrisy.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    30 Aug, 2014 – 5:38 pm

    “Since a Yes vote is supposed to wipe the slate clean, will there be an immediate general election in Scotland in the event of Scotland gaining independence?”

    —————————————-

    Why the rush Habbabkuk?

    In the event of a Yes vote there will be a period for negotiation (agreed by the UK government) until March 2016.”
    __________________

    Precisely for that reason, Mr Scorgie – the negotiation.

    The parties in Scotland should fight a general election on the basis in particular of what they want out of the negotiation.

    A general election would lead to the formation of a Scottish govt with a popular mandate for the negotiation.

    Hence the urgency.

    Do you have a problem with that, Doug?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Resident Dissident

    “You should read some of my rare posts here on economics, taxes and public services (rare because such issues are not discussed that often)”
    _______________

    and it is a shame that they are not discussed much more.

    Of course the reason they are not is that intelligent discussion on such topics would require some real knowledge and an ability to argue cogently.

    Those are not the attributes of the Eminence.

    Much easier to emote endlessly about matters far away, with numerous goofy websites to cut and paste from and bad poetry to quote.

  • Macky

    Resident Dissident; “and here”;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/my-scotland/#comments

    ??!! Are you sock-putting again ?! This time as “Al Milliner” !! Very, very naughty of you ! Will the real Resident Dissident please stand up ! 😀

    “Liberal with a small l you dolt”

    I knew exactly what you meant, so what does that make you, a self-inflicted double dolt ? 😀

    “in terms of philosophy and political theory I don’t think Craig’s views have changed that much”

    Too right, from the time he was supervising the classification of essential items to the sanctioned desperate Iraqis as “dual-use”, to his current propagandizing for war with Russia, his still serves Empire.

    “For a liberal to be anything but opposed to Putin would represent total hypocrisy”

    If you mean for a person to continually demonise the current “bogey-man” in the cross-sights of the West, in order to soften up opposition to any military action, then yes, he’s a typical “liberal”, so “liberal” in fact with his principles, that he actually recently found himself acting as an Apologist for an act of mass murder, because after all, what good are mere principles to a liberal “liberal” with an agenda ?!

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