Yes Scotland Meetings

by craig on August 14, 2014 10:33 am in Uncategorized

Confirmed speaking dates at the moment are
26 August St Andrews
28 August Insch
29 August Dundee
30 August Cupar, Fife

I will post details of times and venues shortly – these are all evening events. I am still open to invitations on dates around these, and indeed any daytime events. Don’t mind dashing all over the place. A number are in the pipeline already. Contact me using the button at top of page.

Have been rather unwell the last couple of days, so please forgive lack of regular posts. BBC Hardtalk interview with Anders Fogh Rasmussen of NATO made me feel much worse. Totally incapable of acknowledging the disasters NATO and NATO members have inflicted on the world since the collapse of the Soviet Union – and the BBC totally incapable of serious questioning on the point.

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  1. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Aug, 2014 - 11:02 am

    Get well Mr Murray. I just hope that Independent Scotland does not disappoint you as LibDems done after the election. Even the best of ideas can be completely wasted under wrong leadership.

    I have different opinion about NATO. To me raise of Russia was only matter of time (judging from historical prospective). Those who thought and think that Russia can be integrated into European security, making one great judgmental mistake. Russia was forced to be European (culture wise) by their tsars but have always remained different. It has specific identity based on various culture mixes which had always viewed Europe as a threat. It will take much more than disappearance of NATO to change Russian attitude towards Europe.

  2. Why do you bother? How many years have you lived in Scotland? Do you have any connection with real Scots? You’re as Scottish as Tony Blair (but he’s not a failed man).

  3. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    14 Aug, 2014 - 11:15 am

    From Kunt to Kant in two small steps. get well soon Craig, as for the BBC, why do you bother with them and why is the yes campaign nor looking for other, less biased broadcasters to cover the last few weeks before the referendum?

  4. Craig,

    You might want to change the order of the words in your self-description at the top – it could be construed as saying that you are a former human rights activist.

    Get well and stay well, Craig.

  5. Kant,

    Craig bothers because he is a decent bloke. Why do you bother? I’m guessing you are junior PR scum. Go copy write a breakfast cereal feature.

  6. Totally incapable of acknowledging the disasters NATO and NATO members have inflicted on the world since the collapse of the Soviet Union – and the BBC totally incapable of serious questioning on the point.

    Craig you understand the implication of the Monopoly of Violence the rest of the world knows as NATO. A useless and dangerous organisation that has long past its sell by date, yet those engaged in earning a tidy living out of the sale of the “kinetic produce” and ancillary services are intent on keeping this organisation going.

    Euro zone economy grinds to halt even before Russia sanctions bite

    As we debate the German economy has dipped into the negative growth territory, and as you would agree any growth levels of below 0.07 percent used to be classified as depression and considering the German -0.02 growth that is going below zero ie contracting and the German industry is shrinking, combined with the French growth of 0 percent are not being considered as “depression” but on the BBC the pundit was adamant that the good weather in Germany had got the building work done at a faster pace. Kind of Germans ate their snacks far too early story!

    Fact that UK economy is reliant on EU economy, and to find the UK customers penniless and in trouble, is further illustrated by the BoE two step that Mark Carney is engaged in.

    You have every right to feel unwell, it seems the world has gone mad, and sanity has left the Planet Earth when it comes to foreign policy of the USUK.

  7. Cheer up Craig, you’re doing a good job!

  8. Yes get well Craig and look after yourself. Don’t overdo things.

  9. I wish you good health, Craig.

  10. I wish there was a way for English people to declare independence from the UK political establishment!

  11. @Merlin

    There are already parties like the Yorkshire Party and I believe there is one in Cornwall/Kernow as well. It took decades to get even devolution here in Scotland despite ‘Home Rule’ having been mooted first in the mid 19thC (wars kept getting in the way). Just think, us Scots could be as disgusted by our dyed in the wool politicians as you are.

    Organise, agitate, form a political party but be prepared for the fight to be long, hard and at times dispiriting. Ask Plaid Cymru and the SNP for advice. There are no quick fixes, apart from a revolution and I can’t see that either happening or being allowed to happen, the security state will see to that.

    In the short term you will have the 2017 Euro In/Out referendum to win to stop rUK becoming even more Little Englander and economically depressed.

    You could keep agitating for properly proportional elections for Wastemonster, which AV wasn’t. May want to wait until after 2017 for that and seeing what the environment after Scotland becomes Independent is like. Another potential fly in such ointments will inevitably be Liz the 1st and 2nd of Scotland and England croaking. This will usher in an orgy of Nationalism and ‘we must preserve as much of the past as possible’ which is always code for repression of new ideas.

    Or move up to iScotland. We need people. The weather really isn’t that bad, unless you live on the West Coast 😉 and the people are much friendlier.

  12. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Aug, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    Merlin

    What makes you think that English political establishment will be better than UK political establishment? In many post colonial independent states this hope (of having better people running their country) have turned out to be harsh. It turned out it was just about elites concentrating resources in their hands rather than sharing them with whoever foreign.

    I am not suggesting that independence is bad thing (I am actually very supportive of self determination) BUT hopes of better establishment/government quite often does not materialise.

  13. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    Craig, hope you haven’t been poked in the leg by some man brandishing an umbrella, have you?, anyway hope you feel better soon, says I with a worrying image, of Mr Litvinenko in my mind as I post this comment.

  14. O/T

    Harry Webb’s mansion in Sunningdales has been searched (officially), did Jenner rat him out?

  15. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    Well tonight on BBC news Scotland at 6.30pm its Alistair Darling turn to be grilled by Jackie Bird, if that’s the right word. Jackie who’s only claim to mediocre fame was wearing a rather curtain like, garish dress, come top, at a Hogmanay show a few years back.

    Knowing the BBC and Jackie Bird I doubt very much if Alistair Darling will be on the wrong end of a quizzing. In fact its more than likely Mr Darling will have a uncluttered dais, to spew his false union rhetoric.

  16. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 3:58 pm

    @Kant 11:09.

    That’s not very nice now is it Kant, you’re acting like a right Kant, aren’t you, now if you’d compared, Cameron, Brown, Jimmy Hood or even Johann Lamont with Blair or as he’s better know B-liar, with regards to “Scottishness” we may have taken you more seriously, as it is well, Kant, we must disregard your punchinello like remark, unless of course,you’re Kelvin Mackenzie in disguise.

  17. US, NATO and Israel united against Islam

    Yasmina Haifi, a project leader at the ministry’s National Cyber Security Center, posted on Twitter: “ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It’s part of a plan by Zionist who are deliberately trying to blacken Islam’s name.”

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/08/14/dutch-official-isis-is-a-zionist-plot-to-demonize-islam/

  18. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Aug, 2014 - 4:10 pm

    Rehmat

    One only need to dig little dipper and look at the Vahobi movement. Although, that time it was not much about discrediting Islam as much about struggle between European powers and Ottoman Turkey.

    Good Muslims of course will turn their face from ISIS, some (like you suggested) will try to exploit them against West/Israel, and only very few will look at the very root of the issue.

  19. Uzbek in the UK.

    It is the terrible state of the current dominant political establishment I would like to be liberated from, not from the UK as such. There is a faint illusion of democratic choice but seemingly nothing of the kind in reality.

  20. Is there a single Scotch person who was genuinely in the no or undecided camp who has been persuaded to vote yes by the blogging of Craig Murray, an Englishman born and bred, living in England whose sole known paid employment was as an employee of the United Kingdom. If so, perhaps they will tell us why.

    Or is the whole point of this blog to persuade sensible Scots that only truly crazy people are for busting up the UK so that Scotland can become an entirely insignificant pawn of the undemocratic EC and NATO to which it would undoubtedly come to belong after a vote for independence?

  21. Last sentence: Should be EU, not EC.

  22. Canspeccy: for me it was the suggestion that No voters were Zionists who supported bombing Gaza and were also sympathisers with the Orange Order and sectarian violence. After those revelations my concerns about currency and fiscal matters just faded to insignificance.

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 5:29 pm

    Mary

    I know you deplore word play on the word “cock” and have sometimes castigates me for it, so I was wondering if you had anything to say about the word play on the word “cunt” (cf at 11h15 – Nevermind, and at 15h58 – Republicofscotland)?

  24. Canspeccy

    Paid employment

    Oh I also worked as

    Games Room Attendant Aviemore Centre 1974-77
    Barman Badenoch Hotel Aviemore 1977
    Underwriting clerk Guardian Royal Exchange St Andrews Square Edinburgh 1978-9
    Assistant manager Carrbridge Hotel Carrbridge 1980
    President Dundee University Students Association 1982-4

    Before moving to London on joining the FCO

    Indeed I was born in Norfolk. My father, Robert Cameron Brunton Murray was born in Johnstone Terrace, Edinburgh right next to the castle. He was posted to Norfolk in the RAF where he met my mum. That is why I was born in Norfolk.

    Whether you consider me a Scot or not is of no interest to me. I consider myself a Scot and that is what matters. I shall certainly be entitled to a Scottish passport post independence.

  25. Whether you consider me a Scot or not is of no interest to me. I consider myself a Scot and that is what matters. I shall certainly be entitled to a Scottish passport post independence.

    Good for you, you are far too magnanimous, and prepared to answer that odious canspeccy whose vomitus white supremacist drivel finds the independence of Scotland as a threat to the current dreams of the zionist scum , thus the overtures and the insults.

  26. Barman Badenoch Hotel Aviemore 1977

    The Badenoch hotel, Aviemore. Good God, what a hideous structure in the midst of the Highlands.

    There was nothing like that in Aviemore the year I traversed the Lairig Ghru (’56). I hope when you become a minister in the Scotch government you’ll make sure the monstrosity is torn down and replaced by something in decent Scotch granite. If so, I’d think about applying for a visa and re-visiting the place provided that I’m still fit enough to scale a Grampian or two.

  27. Fascinating, Fedup, you apparently advocate the break-up of the UK to satisfy the nationalist ambitions of the Scots while designating as exponents of “white supremacist drivel” those who oppose the genocide of the English through suppression of indigenous fertility through state instruction in non-reproductive sex combined with mass immigration of philoprogenitive aliens with an alien culture and, in the case of many, a settler mentality.

    Some who comment here certainly think strangely. But then one wonders about some of them whether they could pass a Turing test.

  28. @MJ

    for me it was the suggestion that No voters were Zionists who supported bombing Gaza and were also sympathisers with the Orange Order and sectarian violence.

    So you think that you think that those who oppose the breakup of the UK are Zionists, intent on reigniting sectarian violence in Ulster? How strange!

    And the thing is, even is Scotland separates you’ll still have Scotch Zionists for Ian Paisley, so how will independence help in any way?

    But at heart, admit it, it’s the promise of an extra fifty quid a week from Scotch Oil that really motivates you; although the reality will be sadly disappointing since by the time the Scotch government has set up it’s foreign ministry to accommodate Craig and others and all the other departments it will need the extra fifty quid will already be spoken for — while it lasts, which is not long as the oil revenue is in irreversible and rapid decline.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    MJ

    “Canspeccy: for me it was the suggestion that No voters were Zionists who supported bombing Gaza and were also sympathisers with the Orange Order and sectarian violence. After those revelations my concerns about currency and fiscal matters just faded to insignificance.”
    ___________________

    MJ, I think I can help.

    Just as the medical condition of paranoia by definition has no fixed “boundaries” or “frontiers”, so certain commenters on here are unable to separate Scottish independence No voters, Zionism, the Orange Order, “fascism” in Ukraine and so on; in their minds, these are all inter-connected manifestations of an all-encompassing conspiracy against ….what?

  30. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Couldn’t believe my ears, when on the STV news at 6pm, Professor Ronald MacDonald claimed that Scottish Independence would cause the stockmarket to CRASH!!!!.

    I know Professor MacDonald, is a supporter of Better Together but,this is dangerous scaremongering at its worst.

  31. Market is always crashing – its not a one way street or we would all be wealthy beyond our dreams. Market will be interesting to watch before the vote though to see if it factors a yes vote in and if so how.

    Is there an index of listed of Scottish companies?

  32. CanSpeccy: I am English. I was being a little ironic. OK, a lot.

  33. Fascinating, Fedup, you apparently advocate the break-up of the UK

    1- for an emigrant to Canada, you seem to be far too preoccupied with UK.

    2- Scotland was stolen from the Scots, and it is about time the Scots were left to be the owners of their own domain, and stopped being tenants on the land that is rightly theirs.

    3- What has “break up of UK” has to do with you?

    4- “genocide” your o so emotive, and shrill screams masks the reality that you may not be so “white”, in fact I question yet again your ancestry, and I reiterate until such a time that you have not posted your genetic markers on your “blog” you have no right to call yourself “white”! Interlopers the likes of you are a plenty, causing the shit storm out there, for their own nefarious purposes.

  34. Couldn’t believe my ears, when on the STV news at 6pm, Professor Ronald MacDonald claimed that Scottish Independence would cause the stockmarket to CRASH …this is dangerous scaremongering at its worst.

    Oh, I don’t think so. One could think up much scarier nonsense. For example, that Scotch independence will lead to a bloodbath, as MJ’s Zionist Paisleyites launch a violent revanchist movement. Or many other paranoid fantasies.

    The thing is, though, what good reasons are their for Scotch independence as opposed to a sensible program for UK-wide devolution of powers? As an independent country, Scotland will have about as much independence and freedom of action in the international sphere as Latvia or Lithuania, and certainly less than Poland, a country seemingly totally in the grip of MJ’s Zionist globalist imperialists.

    Another question that those on both sides of the debate should consider is what means, if any, exist to rid the UK or its component independent parts of the globalist imperialist and money-power incubus, that owns the so-called democratic process to insure that you have a choice of two or three parties but only one policy.

  35. “Scotland was stolen from the Scots”

    LOL.

    Maybe, instead of that little numerical test, posters should be required to answer simply history questions. It would eliminate some of the rubbish posted here.

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 7:42 pm

    Craig (and possibly others)

    “Whether you consider me a Scot or not is of no interest to me. I consider myself a Scot and that is what matters. I shall certainly be entitled to a Scottish passport post independence.”
    ____________________________

    I note the first two sentences and have no comments but the third sentence has aroused my curiosity.

    Has the SNP pronounced on the criteria for Scottish citizenship and, therefore, passports? Can you or anyone enlighten me – referral to an authorised source would do.

    For new births, will lex solis or lex sanguinis or a combination of the two apply? For those already alive, will it be sufficient to acquire citizenship – as is already the case with Ireland, for example – to prove that a parent or even grand parent – was “Scottish” (however being “Scottish” is defined)?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Following on from that: if you are sure that you will be considered “Scottish” despite having been born in England and having lived for most of your life in England and elsewhere, shouldn’t you be entitled to vote in the forthcoming referendum? If not, why not?

  37. @Fedup

    “genocide” your o so emotive, and shrill screams masks the reality that you may not be so “white”

    What has my color got to do with the fact that the indigenous people of England are being displaced by immigrants.

    The advocates of genocide seem to hate being identified as such. I wonder why?

    But if you really want to know, I am pink with green stripes — and proud of it.

  38. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 7:46 pm

    @Fool.

    Re your comment 7.33pm.

    Markets crashing that may well be the case but, Professor MacDonald is inciting economic panic before the vote has taken place, they’re could and possibly will be a drop in certain share prices, but to say on a prime time news programme, that Scottish independence will cause the stock market to CRASH!!!!!, is nothing more than irresponsible.

  39. @MJ

    I am English. I was being a little ironic. OK, a lot.

    Ah, I should have grasped that, I suppose. But it seemed a plausible belief, given the context.

  40. What has my color got to do with the fact that the indigenous people of England are being displaced by immigrants.

    Clearly you are not “white” and as such you have no right to talk about the “white’s problems” to be more clear the white peoples problems are none of your business.

    As an emigrant to Canada you have no room to talk about other immigrants, after all you are sitting there in Inuit lands and wax lyrical about “immigrants” ………

    I put this to you again you are an interloper stirring hatred and disharmony for your own nefarious purposes.

  41. City wide-boys not buying other city wide-boys’ dodgy shares, other’s caught holding armfuls of worthless junk, a result! Without their bonuses for hurt-free risk-taking, some might have to let a couple of Ferraris go –sign me up for some of that fun. If they’re no longer gambling with other people’s money, what’s not to like, it seems like a good thing, a bonus for all. If you see Sid, slap him, tell him Babylon is down fifty points and falling.

  42. @R of S

    but to say on a prime time news programme, that Scottish independence will cause the stock market to CRASH!!!!!, is nothing more than irresponsible.

    Oh come’n. Don’t you read anything. There are folks predicting a stock market crash every day of the week. If such comments had the slightest effect you’d be able to pick-up shares in Rolls Royce or BP for pennies right now.

    What’s remarkable is the this Professor MacDonald is so lacking in imagination that he cannot come up with a better scare story. To help him out, here are some better ideas:

    1. England, in a fit of nationalistic resentment, will impose vicious economic sanctions on an independent Scotland including bans on the import of Scotch lamb, cabbages, oats, and people.

    2. An independent Scotland will be required by NATO to send a Highland Regiment to Poland in preparation for early action against Russia.

    3. In England, there will be a Nazi coupe engineered by Fuck-the-EU Nuland and Nick Griffin will launch a genocidal campaign aimed at driving all the Scots in England back to Scotland.

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 8:05 pm

    And another two questions on the “nuts and bolts”.

    The first is on the civil service.

    An independent Scotland will be responsible for all functions of government and not only for those which have already been devolved and for which civil service structures already exist in Edinburgh; accordingly, administrative structures will need to be created for govt functions such as foreign and overseas development policy, many of the functions currently exercised by the Treasury for the UK as a whole, Revenue and Customs and so on.

    On the assumption that most of the civil servants (whether “Scottish” or not) currently administering the govt departments in question in Whitehall would not, for a variety of reasons, wish to transfer to the new Scottish administrative structures and move from London to Scotland, would this mean that an independent Scotland bee hiring lots of new civil servants? Has any quantification of likely needs and costs been done by the SNP or anyone else?

    The second question concerns civil servants and language, and is based on the assumption that Scottish Gaelic will be the second official language of Scotland (cf. the the republic of Ireland).

    Will the civil servants servicing the new purely “national” functions of an independent Scotland – eg, the Scottish Foreign Office, the Scottish “Treasury” – be required to be able to operate in Scottish Gaelic as well as in English (again,cf.the Republic of Ireland and also Canada)? Will civil servants exercising functions which have both a national and local dimension – eg, social services,, education) be likewise be required to be able to operate in both Scottish Gaelic and English?

    I could imagine that

  44. @Fedup: you again you are an interloper stirring hatred and disharmony for your own nefarious purposes.

    Yes. Global takeover by the pink and greens, that is our nefarious goal.

    But we are for human diversity, hence our insistence on a homeland for every race. Scotland for the Scotch, England for the English, Canada for the indigenous peoples — although Canada, being 30 times the size of the UK, should, after resolving the claims of the indigenous peoples, still have room for its 35 million immigrants.

  45. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    @Canspeccy.

    Re your comment 7.40pm

    What good reason is there for Scottish independence, well for one,it will remove one layer of needless and very expense government, namely Westminster.

    We will also remove Trident from Scotland with independence, which is earmarked to be replaced by the an upgraded version costing around £100 billion pounds, of which I think Scotland share is close to £700 million pounds.

    Independence will allow monies raised in Scotland to stay in Scotland, and who better to decide who, and where to spend the monies, than the Scottish people themselves.

    There are many other reason why Scots want independence but I won’t go into them all, as for your claim Scotland won’t truly be independent I agree, with regards to trade and commerce, no country is truly independent.

    The UK under successive governments has amassed an astonishing amount of debt to the sum of £1.3 trillon pounds, and incredible amount, Scotland has a wealth of natural resources including oil, all other oil producing countries have invested in a future fund by selling a small amount of oil/gas and storing it in a fund, except the UK, under Westminster, who after 40 years of mismanaging Scotland’s wealth, have nothing in a fund, which would have been handy post the 2008 crash.

    No Scots will be far better off managing their own resources, and all other affairs to boot.

  46. If you see Sid, slap him

    Ii I come across him, I will hospitalise that bastard and that is no threat but a solemn promise.

    Non of the banksters issuing money based on their debtors have so far been squeezed whilst the rest of the world has paid through the nose for their gambling addictions.

    The notion of physicists devising algorithms and quantum modelling the “markets” has translated into supercomputers trading worthless junk over and again in nanoseconds, resulting in casino rules in Vegas to appear fair, and judicial returns on the capital deployed by the punters!

  47. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    @CanSpeccy.

    Re your comment 8.01

    What vivid imagination you have, speculation is one thing, inciting panic in a country about to take a major step with regards to independence is another,you don’t take into account that Professor MacDonald’s comment isn’t aimed at big business, they’re shrewd enough to know whats what, no the comment is aimed at the voting masses, to instil fear.

    You seem to have missed the whole point of the statement.

  48. Global takeover by the pink and greens, that is our nefarious goal.

    At last you are owning up to the intent for “global domination”, albeit in a tangential and obscure (make it sound ridiculous clause) fashion.

    Cease and desist from splattering your emotive unconscious drivel for the sake of creating “race riots” for your own ends; “global domination”.

    still have room for its 35 million immigrants.

    Funny how it is not diversity when you and the likes of you are bigging it up there in Canada. Further, you seem to magnanimously decide how Indigenous Canadians should be dividing their lands? (global domination begins at home).

  49. @R of S:
    …Scottish independence, … will remove one layer of needless and very expense government, namely Westminster.

    And replace it with a parallel government of equal complexity, if not greater (see Habby, above) and comparable cost.

    We will also remove Trident from Scotland

    Good luck with that, lad. You think Scotland separated from England will somehow achieve independence of NATO, the US Empire, or the money power?

    … which is earmarked to be replaced by the an upgraded version costing around £100 billion pounds, of which I think Scotland share is close to £700 million pounds.

    Wow, just zero point 7 percent of the total cost and you bitch about it!

    The UK under successive governments has amassed an astonishing amount of debt to the sum of £1.3 trillon pounds, and incredible amount

    Not incredible at all. I can certainly cred it. It’s typical for a European state, although much lower than Ireland or Greece or some other EU trivialities.

    But in any case, it’s as much your debt, lad, as that of any other citizen of the UK, and as such you’ll have your share of it. And of course it was all put to good use. Maternity hospitals to service the immigrant majorities of London, Leicester, Luton, etc. and to educate the little dears according to their Muslim or other culture, etc., not to mention all the other infrastructure that an expansion of UK population through mass immigration, under the direction of Scotch prime ministers, has necessitated: roads, universities, water systems, sewage treatment, etc., etc.

    No, all that borrowed money was well spent.

    Scotland has a wealth of natural resources including oil…

    Nearly all gone. Sorry.

  50. @ Fedup:

    Re: Global takeover by the pink and greens, that is our nefarious goal.

    At last you are owning up to the intent for “global domination”

    Ha! I’m getting it at last. This entire blog is an exercise in far-fetched irony.

    Very good. And good luck with the extra 35 million immigrants. Just hope you can speak Urdu, Hausa, Igbo, or whatever is destined to become the common currency of England.

  51. CanSpeccy:

    “But it seemed a plausible belief, given the context”

    It wouldn’t be all that ironic otherwise. I take it you’re N American.

  52. An Oil-Fund, it wouldn’t have been handy after the 2008 crash, any oil-fund is not, repeat not for bailing out irresponsible crooked bankers, creating money out of thin air then lending it at interest to wannabee Rachmanite Landlords of the box-room conversion, an oil fund prevents excessive currency outflows for overseas speculation and by keeping money tight, counters inflation and keeps our export prices lower for buyers, which are the conditions productive manufacture needs, whilst using the fund to finance profitable industrial and social development, and encourage domestic self-sufficiency. All that was necessary then in 2008 was to protect deposits and jail the thieves, Iceland done the right thing. Westminster has done possibly the worst, bailed them out, gave them their (our) next stake for the inevitable next coming bubble to burst. The last Labour Prime Minister who understood ecomomics was Harold Wilson and the Last Tory one was Harold MacMillan. Heath and Thatcher were idiot clowns, economic innumerates but Gordon Brown was in way over his head helping Marion White present STV’s What’s Your Problem.

  53. Yes, but if you really want to counter ” Dutch disease” you need to invest outside your currency area (as far as I know the Norwegian Fund is forbidden to invest in Norway for just that reason).

  54. Far from gone Canspeccy
    http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/clair-ridge-and-scotlands-new-oil-boom/
    New field , new technology and you are using old argument dissed by the Mc Crone Report
    Get up to date son

  55. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    @CanSpeccy.

    Re your comment 8.29pm

    Why would Scotland replace Westminster with a government of equally complexity, we won’t Scotland doesn’t have an upper house like Westminster’s House of Lords with over 800 Lords who receive £300 quid a day just to show up and fall asleep on the red benches, tell me how much does that come to per year?. China’s parliament aside Westminster is the most top heavy government in the world, I’m afraid you haven’t done your homework, have you.

    Speaking of homework Scotland voted to remain in NATO, do pay attention, as for Trident, it already being touted that Devenport in England will be Trident’s new home in the future. Scotland needs Faslane for its own navy so Trident WILL have to go.

    As for your other remarks I can think of many other more important things to spend £700 million pounds on than WMD’s.

    As for the £1.3 trillion pounds being as much Scotland’s debt as the Westminster’s wrong again we didn’t choose what to spend the monies on, like illegal wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor Trident or Polaris missiles, nor nuclear submarines, we, Scotland, just handed over the cash, and received a block grant back which was ALWAYS smaller than the cash we handed over.

    You don’t seem to have grasp of UK politics, I take it you’re not from these islands? as for the oil, if you’d bothered to do your home work, again, you know the Clair Ridge field is coming online in 2016, why else would David Cameron covertly fly to Shetland to speak to BP?.the oilfield holds over 640 million barrels of oil, don’t believe me?.

    Here you go knock yourself out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZlMLmbgQ4&feature=youtu.be

  56. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 9:01 pm

    @Tom.
    Re your comment 8.38

    I agree, I didn’t propose that an oil fund should be used to bail out fatcat bankers,but it should be used to help those further down the chain, who’ve no golden parachute, the poor the sick the needy and those who need it most, not those who caused it.

    Also I agree Iceland did the right thing by jailing the bankers and letting the failed banks go under.

  57. @R of S
    As for the £1.3 trillion pounds being as much Scotland’s debt as the Westminster’s wrong again we didn’t choose what to spend the monies on, like illegal wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor Trident or Polaris missiles, nor nuclear submarines…

    All the crimes of New Labor were perpetrated under the leadership of the Scotch bastards Blair and Brown. As for not choosing what to spend the money on, you think the English had a choice? Don’t be daft. If it hadn’t been for all those stupid Scotch votes for New Labor there never would have been a Phony Blair government with its war crimes and it’s genocidal immigration policy.

    So don’t think, laddy, that you can just walk away and leave the debt to someone else to pay. You’l be on the hook for it as long as the English.

  58. Scotch oil bonanza:

    New field , new technology…

    LOL. Hope springs eternal.

    Why do you think oil shares are slipping while oil prices are still over $100 dollars? Its because the new tech costs a fortune with the result that yields per dollar invested are falling. Exxon is said to be spending $700 million on one well in the Russian Arctic. So yes, Scotland’s oil is inexhaustible, but as one Arab said, the oil age will not end because we run out of oil any more than the stone age ended because we ran out of stones, which is to say the Scotch oil boom is over.

  59. “…why else would David Cameron covertly fly to Shetland to speak to BP?.”

    He didn’t, it was in all the papers.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10985129/David-Cameron-becomes-first-prime-minister-to-visit-Shetland-in-34-years.html

    It was Salmond who went there in secret and in disguise.

  60. I take it you’re N American.

    My passport says I’m British and, according to Habbabkuk’s sanguinity test, I’m Scotch too — a remote relation of Hardy, the first Scotch King.

  61. “My passport says I’m British”

    I think you’re telling me that yes, you’re N American.

  62. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 9:30 pm

    CabSpeccy

    “…according to Habbabkuk’s sanguinity test,”
    _______________

    Not mine, old boy. Lex sanguinis has been around for a lot longer than I have.

  63. Israel would not survive without weapons

    You don’t say rabbi.

    Israel would not survive as a nation if it had to lay down its weapons, the Chief Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, has insisted.

    He said that while the British Jewish community was “filled with pain” over the loss of life in Gaza, Israel was “understandably and justifiably” defending itself from Hamas rocket attacks.

    So the parasitic supremacist creed justifies shooting fish in the barrel, as the zionist scum were attacking Gaza; a concentration camp that has been under a regimen of medieval siege by land, sea, and air, for the last eight years. This was in a bid to satiate the zionist scum’s blood-lust, in their pursuit of even more stolen lands and more Palestinians killed maimed and cleansed, zionistan cannot survive without weapons, and a constant stream of murdered Palestinians blood.

  64. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 9:31 pm

    @CanSpeccy.

    Re your comment 9.05

    The Holyrood government that’s in power just now who propose independence,the SNP, voted strongly against any attack or invasion of Iraq, lets make that crystal clear, they also vote no to the invasion of Afghanistan. As for Brown and Blair, they may be Scottish of birth but they carried out their atrocities at Westminster, Brown also raided the pension pot, and sold UK gold at an all time low price, he and Alistair Darling, never saw the 2008 crash coming . As for Blair his deeds of destruction are well documented.

    As for the English people not having a choice as where the monies were spent, this statement of yours answers the case for Scottish independence, the people of England are stuck with a corrupt Westminster government, it however doesn’t mean Scots have to as well.

    Now speaking of the national debt, the UK government have said in a round about way that Scotland won’t obtain any of the assets, ergo it stands to reasons no assets no debt.

    But again you haven’t done your homework, and I’ll tell you why, if you did you’d know that the UK government has guaranteed to pay the UK debt regardless of the independence outcome. Therefore how can Scotland be held responsible for a debt it doesn’t owe.

    This action shows the desperation of the UK government when twice in the past year alone the UK’s credit rating has been lowered from the AAA rating.

    Finally the Scottish government wishes to take its share of the debt, along with its share of the assets, a reasonable and fair request.

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    Fred

    “It was Salmond who went there in secret and in disguise.”
    ____________________

    The mind boggles. I’m happy to believe you, but do you have details?

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 9:36 pm

    Fedup

    “Israel would not survive without weapons

    You don’t say rabbi.”
    ________________

    I’m afraid he does, Fedup. As is implied by the founding charter of Hamas as well.

  67. As is implied by the founding charter of Hamas as well.

    As per conventions, and treaties, resistance to occupation is an inalienable right of the nations under the occupation of enemy. Hamas are only defending their lands against the occupying and marauding zionist scum.

  68. According to the thread above, an independent Scotland will use Faslane for a Navy. I assume that it too will have weapons of some kind – if only for fisheries protection an customs enforcement.

  69. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 9:47 pm

    @Fred.

    Re your comment at 9.11

    I have to agree with your point, to a point, David Cameron’s visit to Shetland, didn’t have its usual fanfare trumpet, that surrounds the press, on any of his visits.

    Re your second point I’ve no idea if Alex Salmond went to Shetland in disguise, if so please provide link, many thanks.

  70. As does Israel – recognized by the UN as a State in UNGA resolution 273 of 11 may 1949

  71. Republicofscotland

    14 Aug, 2014 - 9:56 pm

    @Tim.

    Re your comment 9.43pm

    Yes indeed the Scottish government propose to have naval ships, though I’ve read they’ll be more for protection than attack, and will have a multi-task remit, I assume guarding the rigs, and coastline along with patrolling our waters.

    Something quite similar to what Norway has at present, there’s no need for Scotland to have an aircraft carrier, though it would be something to have one (second hand) as a medical ship, sending it around the world, to carry out medical operations and procedures, in less fortunate countries.

    Now there’s a warship I ‘d happily wave off at Greenock.

  72. “The mind boggles. I’m happy to believe you, but do you have details?”

    It’s supposed to be secret, I shouldn’t really be telling you this, his disguise was ingenious.

    On the link I posted, look carefully at the photo, see the pony with short legs a fat belly and it’s eyes are too close together…

  73. As does Israel – recognized by the UN as a State in UNGA resolution 273 of 11 may 1949

    Don’t change name and start peddling the same nonsense. The border ambiguity, nuclear ambiguity, peace ambiguity, are all deployed by the Jewish supremacists and their parasitic supremacist networks from without zionistan, and all designed to cover up the most aggressive fascist, racist regime on the planet through seeking to justify the nonsense of “recognised by UN” what is the UN recognition?

    How come UN becomes relevant so far as the 1949 is concerned, and then it becomes irrelevant for the rest of the times? There again UN ambiguity, I forgot.

    Typical zionist scum blaming their victims for their suffering, and evidently the rest of the goyim cattle are not suppose to come to understand; the only aggressor in the Palestine equation are the zionsit scum, as they openly are admitting; without the flow of weapons and free money project zionistan is a dead duck.

  74. I think you’re telling me that yes, you’re N American.

    Frankly, I’m a little confused about my identity.

    My passport was issued by the UK, for which reason I stated that it stated that I am British. But then at one point in my career I swore undying allegiance to Queen Elizabeth, Queen of Canada. But according to “lex sanguinis,” I am apparently Scotch by virtue of a pure Highland Scotch grandmother — for which reason I am for Highlands independence from those lowland bastards in Edinburgh. We Highlanders, of course, will take all the oil.

    Unfortunately, the Scotch don’t understand genetics and thus only recognize patrilinearity, unlike the Jews who deem race to be a matter of mitochondrial DNA and thus of matrilinearity. Fortunately, I’m not a Scotch Jew, so I don’t have resolve the conflict over the correct means of racial identification.

  75. UN recognition was absolutely conditional on Palestinian refugees right of return and restitution. Which still stands and is not invalidated by events or later pronouncements.

  76. RoS:
    UK government has guaranteed to pay the UK debt regardless of the independence outcome. Therefore how can Scotland be held responsible for a debt it doesn’t owe.

    How. Just watch us, laddy. We’ve got nukes and you haven’t. So much for your mean rejection of a tiny share in the cost of Trident.

  77. Resident Dissident

    14 Aug, 2014 - 10:26 pm

    As does Israel – recognized by the UN as a State in UNGA resolution 273 of 11 may 1949

    Hi Tim – if you haven’t noticed yet you have entered a parallel universe where the ultimate arbiters of what does and doesn’t constitute international law and who is guilty under that law are not courts but the self selected Emonences. If their logic is circular it is because it is meant to be.

  78. Understood – but “knock down ginger” is still a fun game from time to time. Remember, if blogging threatened the system they would have abolished it (as some countries seem to try)

  79. Tony M – this is true, and might explain why Israel’s supporters seem more worried about what they call “lawfare” than they are about warfare. Firing rockets at them has only made things worse for everyone.

  80. Hi Tim – if you haven’t noticed yet you have entered a parallel universe where the ultimate arbiters of what does and doesn’t constitute international law and who is guilty under that law are not courts but the self selected Emonences. If their logic is circular it is because it is meant to be.

    Yeah a conversation is struck up, because goyim cattle are far too dumb to get the drift of it all, one entity talking to itself with the help of the not so secret profile management software, all these grants and aids paid to the zionist scum can afford to throw a bit of money around for the keyboard brigades.

    Circular arguments; now that is pot, kettle etc. “eminences” ie those goyim cattle who will not buy into the cock and bull yarns of the “land registry records” the rest of the world knows as “The Bible” that bequeaths the lands of Palestine to the sons of Abe. That is after he was caught by his Mrs, in trousers around his ankle situation giving some RE to the maid girl. Note Abe was a very modern chap and he was trousered despite his contemporaries wearing long skirts and no knickers.

    As Abe got the sharp end of the Mrs Abe’s tongue, he thought it out quickly and came up with the patrimony deal for her sons. Abe was saving his butt and he never thought that the poor Palestinian will pay for his little indiscretions, that had so upset Mrs Abe.

    UN general assembly which has since declared zionism is racism these days is an irrelevancy but seeing as goyim cattle cannot understand shorthand and figures then; hey what the heck UNGA resolution 273 of 11 may 1949, which was based on the UNGA 181 but who gives a rat’s butt what that was about?

    Evidently only the “master race” have access to these “UN” material, and goyim cattle are incapable of googling.

    However fact that the most aggressive fascist, racist, regime born of politics of Jewish supremacy, is raining death apartheid and ethnic cleansing and genocide on Palestininas is also explained away with the UN General Assembly that these days is of no relevance at all. As the latest mass murder of the Palestinians in Gaza proves.

  81. @Tony. Yes, spot on. Harold Wilson’s father was a bank manager. I never understood why he went out quietly, because I’m sure there was much more going on in the background than just a desire to retire at 60. I even remember exactly what I was doing when someone burst in and announced that he had resigned. In view of comments made on other threads about Callaghan, he must have been fuming over that “winter of discontent.

  82. Republicofscotland

    You don’t seem to have grasp of UK politics, I take it you’re not from these islands? as for the oil, if you’d bothered to do your home work, again, you know the Clair Ridge field is coming online in 2016, why else would David Cameron covertly fly to Shetland to speak to BP?.the oilfield holds over 640 million barrels of oil, don’t believe me?.

    640 million barrels of recoverable oil is approximately 8 days world supply. 40 billion barrels of oil have already been produced from the UK North Sea sector. Peak production from the new field extension (this is phase 3 development of the Clair Field which has been in production since 2005) is estimated in the video to be 100,000 barrels oil energy equivalent (which means includes gas also produced – converted to energy equivalent in barrels of oil) per day. That’s tiny compared to almost 5 million barrels oil equivalent per day that once was produced in in the UK sector at peak.

    While the new field extension is nice it isn’t any kind of game changer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_oilfield

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 11:21 pm

    Peacewisher

    “@Tony. Yes, spot on. Harold Wilson’s father was a bank manager.”
    __________________

    I’m afraid you’re both spot-off.

    Harold Wilson’s father was an industrial chemist.

    Do you good people never check before you scribble?

  84. The Telegraph portrays ‘Bad’ Shimon Elliot as ‘cunning’ and Aangirfan is portraying my Holy Prophet May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him as Jewish!

    If you can’t get the news to fit the facts, make it up.

    Canspeccy’s granny was Scottish and my grandmother was Jewish. What is it with these people who can only see the world in terms of lineage and not in terms of ideas?

    The Islamic State is just an extension of the Salafist nihilism that reduces the vastness of heart of the religion of Islam to a petty rulebook and a test of physical fitness.

    The Times of New York recently reproduced the instruction of our prophet SAW about the rights of Christians not to be judged for their behaviour and not to be prevented from their Christian form of worship by Muslims.

    Look at the vastness of heart of a true religion compared to the Female Genitalia Mutilation of the Islamic State.

    The Salafists twist the religious instruction to Muslims not to judge ( as per gospels ‘Judge not , lest ye be judged’ into a green light to ally themselves, as all the jihadists have done , with Quwata Amrikia/ USUKIS raw power.

    If one was to define humanity by ethnicity as CanSpeccy does or take the opposite meaning of your prophet’s SAW instruction as Salafism does, you can generate froth/scum like the impurities you get when smelting metal, or boiling jam.

    That scum we are informed by Allah in the Qur’an is part of the cleansing process. Fedup gets it, Speccy doesn’t. I welcome the vastness of human diversity and I welcome the vastness of human spirituality, both of them infinitely more interesting, amusing and joyful than the bigotry of racism and sectarianism.

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Aug, 2014 - 11:25 pm

    Fedup

    Your comments are just rants, aren’t they.

    Vulgar, hateful, badly-structured and badly-written bollocks.

    Get treatment or you’ll find yourself back inside.

  86. Fedup

    Your comments are just rants, aren’t they.

    Vulgar, hateful, badly-structured and badly-written bollocks.

    Get treatment or you’ll find yourself back inside.

    self-inflicted prophet you really would like to think so, the story of Abe has got you rattled has it? There again in your delusional state you are now divining about all manner of events and outcomes.

    Vulgar, you say, evidently your next complaint to G_d is already formulated.

    Vulgar is your incessant support of the zionist scum, vulgar is your unashamed imposition of your unwelcome interjections on this blog, vulgar is your relentless stalking of this blog.

  87. @Habby: I remember a TV documentary about him and there was certainly someone in his family who was a bank manager, and encouraged him in Economics.

    Fascinating alt-biography, with many contributions from contemporaries at:

    http://spartacus-educational.com/PRwilsonHa.htm

    (I didn’t know he was a suspected Russian spy… it seems rather unlikely!)

  88. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    15 Aug, 2014 - 1:03 am

    are Scot’s as exercised about non-Scottish Worldwide issues? I suggest a link between the independence vote and worldwide independence. Just askin’

  89. Did anyone see this in ‘The Guardian’, 14 August?

    One of the world’s top economists has warned that an independent Scotland’s economy would crash within seven years if it tried to use sterling.

    Professor Ronald MacDonald, a currency expert who advises the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank, said the Scottish government’s plans to use sterling after a yes vote were fundamentally flawed, even if Alex Salmond’s proposals for a currency union were accepted by the UK. The Scottish economy would shrink by up to £100bn by 2023, MacDonald said.

    His intervention has reignited a simmering row over the first minister’s plans to share the pound after Mark Carney, the Bank of England governor, disclosed on Wednesday that the Bank was drawing up contingency plans to defend sterling and prop up Scotland’s finance sector in case of “currency flight” by depositors after a yes vote on 18 September.

    Salmond insisted on Thursday that Carney’s intervention underlined the case for a currency union. He accused the UK government and Labour of creating financial instability by repeatedly rejecting proposals for a currency union as a campaign tactic in the referendum.

    During ill-tempered exchanges in the Scottish parliament, Salmond cited evidence from Sir Donald MacKay, a former economic adviser to the UK government, that a currency union was “perfectly possible” and was in the UK’s long-term interests.

    Salmond said the pro-UK parties had already tried and failed to sow doubts about the health of industrial investment in Scotland and its employment rates. “Trying to generate instability in the financial markets will fail as well,” he said.

    MacDonald, the Adam Smith professor of political economy at the University of Glasgow and a globally recognised expert in oil-based economies, said any move to use sterling would expose Scotland to huge economic shocks because of its heavy reliance on North Sea oil revenues, but inability to set its own interest rates or control money supply.

    In a damning critique of Salmond’s proposals, MacDonald said that independence would immediately mean that Scotland became a petro-economy. That would leave it heavily exposed to higher prices in shops, wage rises, a significant trade deficit and increasingly expensive exports.

    Using IMF methodology, MacDonald said Scotland would face an annual deficit of 7% and would cut Scotland’s economic output by at least £30bn in a best case scenario, or up to £100bn in a more likely worst case scenario by about 2023. “Clearly this is very, very bad news,” he added.

    It would greatly increase pressure for public spending cuts and tax rises, with a future Scottish government forced to impose a punishing austerity regime to balance the books, or face the prospects of an IMF bail-out, similar to the ECB’s rescue of the Irish and Greek economies.

    MacDonald has been a currency adviser to banks, governments and oil rich states including Norway, but released his analysis through the anti-independence campaign run by Alistair Darling, Better Together.

    He insisted he had done so because Better Together had commissioned him, and would have been “very happy” to give the same advice to the Scottish government, and denied taking a partisan stance on the referendum.

    “If an independent Scotland had a separate [new] currency then I’m sure in the longer term it could survive and prosper,” MacDonald said. A separate currency “is the only tenable plan B, to be perfectly candid”.

    But the first minister and his government’s advisers were wrong to predict that a currency union would keep Scotland’s economy in lock-step with the far larger UK economy; they would quickly diverge, MacDonald said, even in a currency union.

    They were already different, he said. Excluding oil revenues, Scotland had an average trade deficit of 11% over the last 15 years, which became a trade surplus of 2.7% if a geographic share of North Sea oil was included.

    That meant that oil played “a massive role” in determining the optimal currency and exchange rate options for Scotland. “We become a net exporter of oil and that fundamentally changes the nature of the Scottish economy and particularly the relationship we have with the rest of the UK,” he said.

    A currency union, already vetoed by George Osborne, the chancellor, would be unsustainable because of the differences between the two competing economies, he said. “I don’t think it will last long. This will kick in on day one of independence. These relative price effects happen very quickly,” he said.

    If Scotland chose to use sterling without a formal agreement to have the Bank of England and the Treasury underwrite Scotland’s economy, that could provoke a massive crisis and require “severe austerity” to create the significant surplus needed by a Scottish chancellor to balance the books.

    Scotland’s manufacturing exports would soon become uncompetitive, because prices within Scotland would rise faster than in the UK. That would worsen if it chose to use sterling without a formal deal, with large parts of Scotland’s financial sector forced to move to London and investors withdrawing money from Scottish companies.

  90. @ Bird Shit:

    I welcome the vastness of human diversity

    Which means I want to mix everyone up so there’s no more diversity.

    Is this idiocy or what?

  91. As was mentioned on Wings Over Scotland, the bt uk gov TROLLS have stepped up a pace in recent days. Do NOT feed the trolls! The lies and scare mongering will get much worse, we must stay on task for a YES, counter the lies, for there are many, and stay positive. Only a no vote would spell any kind if disaster, it would be a disaster for Scotland.
    A YES is a real possibility and the no lot are getting desperate, but what have they got to lose? Why hold on to a union with such a dysfunctional basket case that is Scotchland? Unionists, just Let Scotland go, and with good grace, we will forgive, you, quite quickly! :-))

  92. Habbabkuk,

    There you go again hasbara sockpuppet troll.

    Picking on Mary because you cant beat her arguments.

    You silly sad desperate troll.

    You are,as ever,an embarrassingly oafish tart Habbabkuk.

  93. That, in the event of independence, the Scottish government would consider either a currency union with England or the continued use of sterling without joint management with England, shows how clueless the Scottish government is and how unfit it is to run an independent country. Among the few advantages of independence is an independent currency, the exchange value of which is determined solely by the issuing country`s international competitiveness, rather than by that of the union as a whole. In the case of Scotland and England the idea of a currency union is particularly absurd since the size of the two economies and their profiles are so different.

    In fact, no one in this discussion has offered any sensible reason for Scotch independence. Republic of Scotland offers two reasons. First, to distance Scotland from the criminal government of the Scotchmen, Blair and Brown, aided by the Scotch adviser Alistair Campbell, a government that depended for its existence of the enthusiasm of the Scots for New Labor. Second, the illusory oil bonanza, the extra fifty quid a week that Scots think they`ll get once their shot of England.

    Obviously if the Scotch buggered up the government of Britain they`ll show just as much malice when left to their own devices in Scotland. In fact the history of pre-Union Scotland is one of endless warfare, treachery, and violence both internally and in Scotland`s relations with England. Why does anyone think things would be different for a newly independent Scotland. War hasn`t been abandoned as a means of settling petty disputes in Europe. Why then does anyone suppose that we will not see English tanks shelling the capital of an independent Scotland within a 100 years.

  94. It seems the basis of state governance in Plato and Aristotle is appreciation of virtue through moral persuasion. This enlightenment could be more easily realised through an independent self governing state.

    Why is all the talk on monetary outcomes of independence, so much contemptible emphasis when prudence should be at the base of any true environmentalist.- is that not what features most heavily with all this. We are all environmentalist to some degree as we are all in a state of being.

    Habba and Fed up. One in the same.

  95. Exit I was under the impression that ‘Ronald McDonald’ provided burgers and fries for the masses, served by unemployed graduates on zero hours contracts and earning a pittance.

    I was waiting for a friend yesterday who was in the supermarket. I saw several young women emerge with their shopping, all over 25 stone and wearing leggings!, eating packets of crisps and other junk as they pushed their trollies. A middle aged man who looked 9 mths pregnant and who was dangerously obese was eating a pasty.

    Next stop the diabetes clinics or A&E with their coronaries.

    A Prof was on television yesterday advocating a programme of gastric band operations to combat the rise in cases of diabetes type 2. Up to 300,000 people would qualify apparently. The BBC article below gives a figure of 850,000 people.

    Being overweight or obese ‘linked to 10 common cancers’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28779493

    More weight loss operations for diabetes
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28246641

  96. Airdrieonian

    15 Aug, 2014 - 8:14 am

    Dearest Canspeccy

    Let me be the first to invite you out for a drink in an independent Scotland.
    We will do the famous “clockwork orange” pub crawl in Glasgow, where you could enthrall the local Scotch patrons with your thoughts on life. I bet you wouldn’t survive past Cowcaddens.

  97. The IDF are still going strong.

    In Occupied Palestine
    Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property
    24 hours to 8am
    11 August 2014

    51 air strikes – 9 attacks – 20 raids including home invasions – 8 dead (2 in West Bank + 6 in Gaza Strip) – 17 injured (6 in West Bank + 11 in Gaza Strip) – 4 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 25 taken prisoner – 9 detained – 110 restrictions of movement

    West Bank: Israeli Army shoots and kills 11-year-old boy

    West Bank: Israeli Army attack – 1 person killed – 1 woman and 2 children injured – families forced from their homes

    http://www.sapienspromise.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3225
    Acknowledgment to Leslie Bravery in NZ who keeps this log.

    Gaza: Israeli air strike kills 17-year-old youth

    275,000 people now made homeless in Gaza Strip

    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 13 towns and villages

  98. @Fedup “he was caught by his Mrs..”
    Not according to Genesis, they were just not lucky enough to conceive (at first), so she suggested using Hagar the slave as a surrogate. But Hagar got big-headed and said to Sarah ‘Na-na-na-na-na, I’m fertile & U aren’t.’ Sarah said to Hagar ‘Diss me, would you?’ And then gave her such a hard time that Hagar fled with her son. And the rest is history…

  99. CAN SOMEONE MAKE A LIST OF LATTER DAY “PARCEL OF ROGUES”?

    Such A Parcel Of Rogues In A Nation

    Fareweel to a’ our Scottish fame,
    Fareweel our ancient glory;
    Fareweel ev’n to the Scottish name,
    Sae fam’d in martial story.
    Now Sark rins over Solway sands,
    An’ Tweed rins to the ocean,
    To mark where England’s province stands-
    Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

    What force or guile could not subdue,
    Thro’ many warlike ages,
    Is wrought now by a coward few,
    For hireling traitor’s wages.
    The English stell we could disdain,
    Secure in valour’s station;
    But English gold has been our bane-
    Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

    O would, or I had seen the day
    That Treason thus could sell us,
    My auld grey head had lien in clay,
    Wi’ Bruce and loyal Wallace!
    But pith and power, till my last hour,
    I’ll mak this declaration;
    We’re bought and sold for English gold-
    Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

    RB-1791

    SCOTTISH QUISLINGS WHO SOLD SCOTLAND AND ITS PEOPLE
    FOR ENGLISH GOLD in 1707,MAYBE YOUR CLAN KIN IS HERE

    Earl of Marchmont: received £1,104. -17s-7d.
    Earl of Cromarty: received £300.
    Lord Preston Hall: received £200.
    Lord Ormiston: received £200.
    Duke of Montrose: received £200.
    Duke of Athol: received £1000.
    Earl of Balcarres: received £500.
    Earl of Dunmoor: received £200.
    Lord Anstruther: received £300.
    Mr. Stewart of Castle Stewart: received £300.
    Earl of Eglington: received £200.
    Lord Fraser: received £100.
    Lord Cesnock, now Polwarth: received £50.<<Cheap Skate)
    Mr. John Campbell: received £200.
    Earl of Forfar: received £100.
    Sir Kenneth MacKenzie: received £100.
    Earl of Glencairn: received £100.
    Earl of Kintore: received £200.
    Earl of Findlator: received £100.
    Lord Forbes: received £50.
    John Muir, Provost of Ayr: received £100.
    Earl of Seafield, Lord Chancellor: £490.
    Marquis of Tweedale: received £1000.
    Duke of Roxburgh: received £500.
    Lord Elibank: received £50.
    Lord Banff: received £11-2/-
    Major Cunningham of Eckatt: received £100.
    The Messenger who brought the Treaty of Union: received £60.
    Sir William Sharp: received £300.
    Patrick Coultrain, Provost of Wigton: received £25.
    Mr. Alexander Wedderburn: received £75.
    The Commisioner for Equippage & Daily Allowance: received £12,325.

  100. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Aug, 2014 - 8:44 am

    Jives

    “Picking on Mary because you cant beat her arguments.”
    __________________

    Which arguments would those be, Jives? I see a lot of cut-and-paste, but arguments….?

    Are you Mary’s Sir Galahad, Jives?

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