Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278

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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Tim V

    Maybe a moment’s silence is called for, for all the poor sods who have been buried underground apparently.

  • Tim V

    Thanks for clarifying Bluebird
    28 Jan, 2013 – 1:14 am. So why has this never been mentioned on this thread or have I just missed it? “Tiny explosives found in the zirconium layers of the centrifuges” looks suspiciously like the possible link with Chevaline? And as to the latest explosion if it wasn’t missile must have been something very significant to cause collapse in underground facility. Did they initiate an atomic explosion? It would be naive to think the Iranians did not have strict security. You would need an awful lot of TNT to do that amount of damage on its own. How would you get it in?

    Now how might this explosion event (and previous ones) be linked to the killing?

  • NR

    @ katie 27 Jan, 2013 – 3:55 pm
    “Another physicist bites the dust, in a suspicious ‘suicide’.”
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-professor-commits-suspicious-suicide-at-family-house.aspx?pageID=238&nID=39917&NewsCatID=341

    “Gökhan Budak … received medicine early in the morning… He later reportedly cut his wrists and jumped from the fourth floor.”

    The report doesn’t say if it’s a medicine he took on previous occasions. I know of one person who had an adverse reaction to penicillin in hospital and jumped out a 2nd floor window, and another person prescribed a correct medicine, but administered the wrong one, who hallucinated animals chasing him and jumped through a ground floor window – no great harm in that, but his mind was permanently altered.

    Or somebody might have added a zombifying drug to Dr. Budak’s legitimate prescription then later instructed him, via audio, to do what he did.

  • NR

    @ Q 27 Jan, 2013 – 5:37 pm
    “@NR: Another aside, Anglesey did not become famous because of Gareth Williams, but because of rather more famous residents. Along those same lines, pool parties in Florida made the news.”

    Kate and Andrew and Pippa??? Pool parties in Florida is a stumper. It can’t be this:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-alligator-pool-parties-latest-kids-birthdays/story?id=17327039

    Old history, lest we think the various SISs know everything or anything: “The United States first made known the presence of Cuban troops in Angola in an official statement of November 24, 1975. Three months later, during a short visit to Venezuela, Henry Kissinger remarked in private to President Carlos Andrés Pérez: “Our intelligence services have grown so bad that we only found out that Cubans were being sent to Angola after they were already there.”
    http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/ArticCarlota-e.html

  • Marlin

    For more reading on the reported explosion at the Fordo facility:

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/01/27/scoop-irans-fordo-nuclear-plant-extensively-damaged-by-sabotage/

    Silverstein attributes his report to “a highly placed israeli source” that he seems to trust. He does qualify the report by Khalili, considered a highly unreliable source. It could be that the israeli source is partly trustworthy and partly less so. It would be not unlike israelis involved with their security apparatus to combine grains of truth and an occasional “scoop” with deliberate information plants. In any case, to me this leak looked like a typical Israeli brag about something they may or may not have succeeded in doing. That “leak” to Richard, along with the other “leaks” to Reza khalili look like part of a planned Psy-Ops to me, whatever it is that took place.

    This Tikkun-Olam blog is BTW the one that had a number of interesting articles on that “prisoner x” I mentioned earlier. I believe that some of Silverstein’s sources are more credible than others, so I take everything reportedly coming from Israel with a few solid pinches of salt.

    In the meantime, the reports from inside Iran seem to deny the incident occurred though that would be expected whether it did or not.

    The allusions to bomblets buried in the zirconium are interesting. Weren’t we talking about trojan horses around here not long ago? I would be surprised if there were not all kinds of sabotage attempts carried out through willing and not-so-willing conduits. Though I can’t imagine a scenario where Iranians, who have obviously gotten a quick on-the-job training in western or israeli (decidedly not so western) perpetrated sabotage and cyberwar shenanigans, trust anything related to technology they get through any channel. I also kind of doubt it’d be all that easy to slip through some nano-bomblet-laden zirconium or titanium tubes. How do the Iranians protect their fuel rods is, of course, anyone’s guess.

  • NR

    @ Q 27 Jan, 2013 – 6:39 pm
    “The weather on September 5, 2012 in Chevaline:”
    http://vikki.over-blog.com/article-haute-savoie-aux-alentours-de-duingt-114459211.html
    “Suitable for a picnic, or a stroll in the woods with small children?”
    “Paragliding on such a gloomy, overcast day, who would have thought?”

    That is contradicted by builder “Laurent” – not his real name?

    http://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/Faits-divers/Actualite/Le-scenario-minute-par-minute-de-la-tuerie-de-Chevaline-555890

    “A beautiful day. Hot and sunny. It’s a good half hour this Wednesday afternoon as Laurent **, 35, and his young apprentice took over the job after the lunch break.”
    “** First name has changed.”

    Or the weather differs with elevation? Or the gloom burns off by early afternoon? Possible.

  • James

    “Iran” says there wasn’t an explosion at their Fordow facility.
    “Others” (unclear who) says there was !

    Was there an explosion ?
    Or wasn’t there an explosion ?

    “Iran” who say that wouldn’t they !
    Then again “Israel” would say that wouldn’t they !

    And round and round we go.

    I don’t believe what Iran says.
    Then again does anyone believe “The West”.

    Here’s recent earthquake activity over previous days.
    Use the “zoom in” to find the recent EQ’s in Iran
    I assume that it would have registered.
    I can’t see anything for Fordo, Qom, Iran around the time stated.

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

  • bluebird

    Marlin, tim v.

    Iran confirmed that they found the tiny explosives in the Fordow centrifuges in August. We do not know how many centrifuges were boobytrapped.
    It is likely that they got the centrifuges from Areva. Likely transported via Dubai. I dont think that Areva was interested into boobytrapping any centrifuges. That looks like Mossad/CIA work. Exchange a few Areva ones for boobytrapped ones ones in Dubai harbour?

    But then, how would they trigger the explosion later? They certainly could not use TNT in a centrifuge. It would blow up the centrifuge once turned on.
    But what was it then?

    This is just speculation. Metallurgy could hide some Hafnium in the zirconium alloys. You would need metallurgist who can work both with Hafnium and with zirconium to do this for a government in secret environment. Who replaced the centrifuges destroyed by Stuxnet and when?

    How could you trigger that Hafnium? We do not know if this is possible, but if possible, then you need an XRAY source. Did a MEK terrorist bring in such a device secretely into Fordow? Who could construct such a XRAY device?

    So you need a metallurgist to boobytrap a centrifuge with Hafnium alloys and you need an engineer who can construct a XRAY trigger and you need a terrorist to bring this trigger into the underground cave.

    If the centrifuges were triggered during activity, then the cave and everything near Fordow is already deadly radioactively polluted for the next 50.000 years.

    Now the questions:
    Was SH involved in placing the explosives into the centrifuge alloys?
    Was SAH involved in constructing that trigger?
    Was al Allaf the contact to a French based MEK terrorist handing over the trigger?
    Possibly and not unlikely, particularly because SAH was befriended with his likely Mossad neighbour Saltman.

    On the other hand, it could have been that they knew this because previously involved in construction of the boobytraps and they were about to or they had already leaked that information to Iran since they did detect the explosives in August 2012. Who had told that secret to Iran?

    If so, what could have happened in Chevaline?

    1. A Secret meeting with Iran to get money for information?
    2. Collecting money from Mossad/CIA for their previous boobytrap and trigger work?
    3. Handing over the trigger to a MEK terrorist and explaining how it works with already deployed Hafnium?

    Why and who could have killed them?

    1. Extraction for safety because Iran detected the explosives a few weeks ago?
    2. Killed by Iran because somebody told them who were those terrorists?
    3. Killed by Mossad/CIA because they leaked information to Iran?
    4. Killed by MEK during turn over of the trigger for getting rid of not trusted witnesses?
    5. Killed by CIA/Mossad because they did not want to pay them?

    We know what could have happened but we still have no clue about any reason.
    I still believe that leaking secret information to third parties is always the most likely reason for killing.

    Yes, those boobytrapped centrifuges were Trojan Horses. Exactly so!

  • bluebird

    From
    http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.at/2013/01/major-explosion-hits-irans-underground.html?m=1

    Radioactive Pollution highly possible:

    The blast shook facilities within a radius of three miles. Security forces have enforced a no-traffic radius of 15 miles, and the Tehran-Qom highway was shut down for several hours after the blast, the source said. As of Wednesday afternoon, rescue workers had failed to reach the trapped personnel.

    Trojan Horses:

    The regime believes the blast was sabotage and the explosives could have reached the area disguised as equipment or in the uranium hexafluoride stock transferred to the site, the source said. The explosion occurred at the third centrifuge chambers, with the high-grade enriched uranium reserves below them.The information was passed on to U.S. officials but has not been verified or denied by the regime or other sources within the regime.

    +++
    If there was an explosion during the activity of the centrifuges then the 200+ workers will die sooner or later because of radioactive pollution and Fordow will be useless for the next 50.000 years because nobody could step in there?

    A psych op fake? I dont think so because there would be no reason and nobody would have any advantage of such a psych op. Inside Iran nobody would receive information if it were a psych op, and for the reast of the world such a psych op would only oppose the goals of those who want to attack Iran because without plutonium production there is no reason for a war. It would be a lose/lose psych op and therefore useless.

  • James

    Bluebird….

    There was nothing “registered” for a “blast” that size, in that area on that day ?

    Check it out. Link in my post above.

    Now if the said Kerman, Iran there was a blast on that day, then okay (5.3 @19.49 UTC), but that (as far as my geography of the area is concerned) is damn miles away from Quom.
    And the wrong time !

    So if they have got there distances/locations mixed up.
    And there time conversions….
    I’d agree.

    But there is no evidence for an explosion whatsoever, as far as I can see.

  • bluebird

    James
    Explosions aren’t considered as earthquakes, particularly when the explosives are “tiny explosives” as being told having been found in August 2012.
    A tiny explosion would be sufficient for heavy radioactive pollution so that no rescue team can reach them quickly when the elevators wont work any more.

    Every explosion in regular mining would have to use more explosives and those explosions (thousands each day) would not get reported either.

  • NR

    @ Q : On Brendan Downey, who died while serving at Camp Mirage, reports at the time said he died of non-combat injuries and further investigation would follow. Yet the last ref in 2010 still says the same thing and still doesn’t give a cause of death. Do you know the outcome?

    One US forum on military deaths, 2008, says that he died at Camp Mirage, an undisclosed location in southwest Asia. ???

  • bluebird

    NR,

    that compound is 200 ft deep below surface. When there is an explosion 200 ft deep below surface then there is hardly any pollution outside that compound, except for when the victims are being evacuated from below the surface as they will bring the radioactive polluted dust with their clothes and bodies up from below the surface. However, Haaretz reports that there is a 15 miles non-trespass zone now.

  • Q

    @Felix: Thanks again for those images. I see that there is definitely a barn across the street from the home where Sylvie Lecoeur was photographed. It has a grey silo, a hayloft and bales of hay. There is a cow path to a feeder in the field. And on the same field, there is the Mairie de Chevaline, where Didier Berthollet must have an office. It’s all of maybe one minute on foot from the Lecoeur house. I hadn’t realized that before.

  • Q

    @NR: From your link:

    “Asked why satellite imagery was not being released of rescue efforts at Fordow, Kahlili said only state intelligence agencies have access to live satellite feeds. “Why don’t they put it out? My only assumption is that no one wants to take credit because of what the consequences could be by the regime,” he said.”

    So, state intelligence agencies have live satellite feeds, but don’t want anyone to see them.

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