The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Bluebird
5 Mar, 2013 – 3:58 pm “Cu-de-sac” a route with no way out; “no through road”; or “dead end”. Quite appropriate really.
Bluebird
5 Mar, 2013 – 10:49 pm re. http://www.jafariyanews.com/articles/2k7/SMKhoei_untoldstory.htm SAH went back in 2003. Was he one of the “25”?
“A few months before the war, he was approached by the American government who told him of their plans to invade Iraq and topple Saddam. He flew out to Washington DC and had several meetings with the CIA and officials at the Pentagon. Back in London, he began recruiting members for a committee to help keep order and provide humanitarian aid to the south.
He managed to round up 25 Iraqis from the US and UK to go with him. He had talks with Tony Blair regarding Iraq before he left, but because the British government had decided they would only control Basra, they were not involved in his project to help re-build Najaf.
Back to Iraq
All 25 men gathered at his house on 27th March 2003 and at 6am the following morning they left for Gatwick Airport. They boarded a private jet and landed in a US military base in Bahrain. Al-Khoei left Bahrain on 3rd April with Abu Tareq (the former Ba’ath officer), Ma’ad Fayadh (journalist for Al-Sharq Al-Awsat Newspaper), Hazim Al-Sha’lan (former Iraqi Defence Minister) and Mahir Al-Yasseri (a US citizen from Detroit). They boarded a US military plane and landed in Nasiriya at 2am. The men stayed in Nasiriya in the morning and met with the local tribes before leaving for Najaf.”
Tim v.
Exactly! I asked the same question myself. Particularly i asked about who was CIA agent “Abu Ali”?
I never had any doubts that the al Hillis were an important part of the “London Group” who were running the exile DAWA party in the UK pre 2003. Allawi, al Khoei and the al Hillis were the heads of the exile Dawa party in London, called the “London Group”.
It is also very convenient to use Gatwick for all the Surrey based Iraqis. Heathrow is a bit further to go.
However, one thing is crystal clear now: While they are enemies of al Sadr they must be enemies of Iran and of its current government, too. Any kind of support for Iran we can 100% exclude, quite the opposite. They must be so pissed with al Sadr and Iran that they would probably prefer to destroy both.
Al Hilli support theory for Iran can be excluded and deleted. If Iran was the goal of al Hilli, then it was rather in terms of sabotage and warfare.
@ ya Blue @ ya Olifant….
I went through the tweets Ali Al-Saffar and for the period of Chevaline he mentions nada about it.
In mid November (about 19th if I recall) he tweets in response to a chap that sends “condolences” with regard his fathers kidnap/murdered.
I did think that “may be” related to Chevaline in someway (the burial of Sa’ad et al)….but it “appears” to be on the anniversary of the kidnap of Ammar (19th Nov 2006).
Just little bits found with regard Ammer Al Saffar.
Born 1950 in Baghdad.
Graduate of Mustansiriyya University with a degree in Business Administration.
Left Iraq in 1978. (Probabbly for Dubai ?)
Was a high level Da’awa Party member.
Was close to ex-PM Ibrahim al-Ja’afari and current PM Nouri al-Maliki.
“Left Iraq in 1978…Probably for Dubai”.
Ali was born in Dubai but educated in England, attending the University of London.
Ammar was on the phone to relatives in Sweden at the time of his kidnap.
This links family/relations in Dubai, London and Stockholm (?).
P.S. Ford never reads things not about “himself”, so he’ll miss this. I read some of his “waffle” on other online forums. The falla is a nutter. Always in “disagreements”. I think he “does the rounds” punting his “stories”. He may be on medication !
Don’t feed The Trolls…they have enough tablets to eat.
I think that i found “Abu Ali”
He is on a video of a London muslim shia seminar speaking here:
http://shelf3d.com/Search/Uploaded%20by%20MDTVISLAM
James
Somehow the al Saffars are all related, however, we do not know how closely they are related. However, arab families usually are defined by traditional clan rules and they stick together both in good and in bad days, no matter how close or how far related they are.
Ahwazi Arabs in Iran. Iran occupies more Arab territory than Israel.
We never read about the Ahwazi genocide in Western media. What they do not report it does not happen, does it?
Iran/Syrian and Arab connections are more complicated than we had thought. It is therefore not unlikely that millions of Arabs would support Israel in a aar with Iran and Israel knows that of course. Shia vs Shia, Persian Ariens versus Arab Shias. Iran is more complicated than we had known.
Worth reading for a better global understanding of the Midfle East crises and for the shia versus shia wars and terror attacks and assassinations in iraq and iran and in syria:
http://acfh.info/ahwaz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140:ahwazi-arabs&catid=44:2010-09-16-17-14-58
Blue…
Then we have entered into the “murky world of Iraqi politics” !
With the Al Hilli/Al Saffar families involved in Chevaline makes this no “random act”.
Moreover….the killing of Sa’ad, Iqbal and Suhaila makes “sense”.
for wnat of a better phrase.
The question still remains…why ?
I read that Ammar had infact resigned 3 months before his kidnap/murder, but that his resignation was not accepted.
It was reported that al-Saffar had been threatened by the Sadrists who control the Health Ministry to give up his post for one of their own or else….
But this threat “appears” to revolve around the “dossier” Ammar had put together.
Who knows !
Did this “dossier” somehow get back to Stockholm ? and then onwards to Surrey….and then to France ? It seems a bit of a “long winded” journey…and why ?
Would it not be his son, the Journalist, Analyst and Blogger, that would be more suited in the publication of such material ?
The mystery falls ever deeper !
and if it does “revolve” around the knowledge contained in this dossier with regard to the “Iraqi Govt Bodies”, why has the “Iraqi Forums” not jumped on this and cried “foul play” ?
Continuing the unknown Iranian genocid on Ahwazi Arabs.
Khuzestan was once ruled by the Al Saffar family before it was lost to Persian tribes.
The Arab settlements by military garrisons in southern Iran was soon followed by other types of colonization. Some Arab families, for example, took the opportunity to gain control of private estates.[10] Like the rest of Iran, the Arab invasion thus brought Khuzestan under occupation of the Arabs of the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates, until Ya’qub bin Laith as-Saffar, from southeastern Iran, raised the flag of independence once more, and ultimately regained control over Khuzestan, among other parts of Iran, founding the short-lived Saffarid dynasty.
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The people in Khuzestan are predominantly shia.
The people of Khuzestan are predominantlyShia, with small Sunni, Jewish, Christianand Mandean minorities. Khuzestanis are also very well regarded for their hospitality and generosity.
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The genocid started with Khomeini and the Islamic revolution.
Over the next decades of the Pahlavy rile, the province of Khuzestan remained relatively quiet, gaining to hold an important economic and defensive strategic position.
Islamic Republic
After the revolution
With the Iranian Revolution taking place in early 1979, local rebellions swept the country, with Khuzestan being no exception. In April 1979, an uprising broke out in the province, led by the Arab separatist group Arab Political and Cultural Organisation (APCO), seeking to gain independence from the new theocratic rule.[15] The uprising was effectively crushed with more than one hundred insurgents and a dozen Iranian soldiers killed.The Iranian Embassy Siege of 1980 in London was initiated by an Arab separatist group as an aftermath response to the regional crackdown in Khuzestan, after the 1979 uprising. Initially it emerged the terrorists wanted autonomy for Khuzestan; later they demanded the release of 91 of their comrades held in Iranian jails.[16] The group which claimed responsibility for the siege the Arab Popular Movement in Arabistan gave a number of press conferences in the following months, referring to what it described as “the racist rule of Khomeini”. It threatened further international action as part of its campaign to gain self- rule for Khuzestan. But its links with Baghdad served to undermine its argument that it was a purely Iranianopposition group; there were allegations that it was backed by Iran’s regional rival, Iraq. Their leader (“Salim” – Awn Ali Mohammed) along with four other members of the group were killed and the fifth member, Fowzi Badavi Nejad, was sentenced to life imprisonment.
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Summary:
Neither the al Hillis nor the al Saffars are friends of the Iranian regime.
More on the Shane Todd, Singapore death. Again the coincidences of the aircraft and mortuary businesses.
“We feel we’ve been led by the hand of God with each step,” said Mary, a licensed Baptist pastor who leads a satellite church of the Paloma, Calif., First Baptist Church at the Todds’ airplane hangar at their home.
[Shane’s father] Rick is a pilot for American Airlines
. He has been coming to Marion [Montana] since his father bought a 160-acre ranch there when he was just a boy. Rick’s family was in the mortuary business and he worked for a time as a funeral director. That gave him insight as he studied his son’s body postmortem. He knows what suicide victims look like after death, and Shane’s body looked nothing like that.
A coroner’s inquest into Shane’s death is expected to take place in March in Singapore, and the Todds will attend.
http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_d2e5fcf4-7d58-11e2-a60c-001a4bcf887a.html
Then the question needs an answer:
Can we link somebody of the al Hilli family or somebody of the al Saffar family with the siege of the Iranian embassy in London in 1980?
Do we have reports, names and documents on the www regarding that siege?
The siege was for gaining more independence of oil rich Khuzestan, once ruled by the al Saffar family. Most of these terrorists were killed by Iranian agents later.
@ Bluebird: More on Sandy Hook. Allegations that AmeriCares, one of the world’s largest NGOs is essentially an agency company (UK/US), connected to “… the Knights of Malta [Knightsbridge] whose special diplomatic status facilitates the movement of AmeriCares supplies through customs and exempts the group from taxes…”
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/sandy-hook-and-cia.html?m=1
Many other pages link both to: The John Birch Society; The Council for National Policy; Unification Church;
World Anti-Communist League; Masonry, and say both were heavily involved in the first Afghan war (#1 by US count — not British or Genghis Khan’s or other invaders’ counting — the one against the Russians) and subsequent wars, the Balkans and Iraq. One summary is at:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/30/82629/-For-Armando-on-Americares
Operation Nimrod 1980
The siege was supported by London Iraqis and it was for independence of the Khuzestan province, that was originally ruled by the al Saffar family. Weapons smuggled to London in diplomat bags.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_siege
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/john-mcaleese-leader-of-the-sas-team-that-ended-the-1980-siege-of-the-iranian-embassy-in-london-2345827.html
re The Dossier; Previouly posted some months ago…… Possibly not relevant though? From http://www.aklamkom.com 07-09-2012, 11:13 PM Forum: Pen political dialogue ” Saad al Hilli removed physically in Paris with his family ”
Intelligence gathering by the Iraqi government and assassination agents run by Al Maliki personally who supplied the funding, led to the targeting of an Iraqi businessman in France, Saad al Hilli with his wife and two daughters in a area near Annecy and their physical assassination as a result of the existence of a electronic draft sworn statement which showed the relationship of the Maliki governrment with the Organisation of Iran (PMO) and of his involvement in many liquidations of Iraqi leaders and authorities; and Al Hilli had threatened al Maliki in an encrypted message that these pages were to be announced and published in the mass media unless the Maliki government paid the sum of $2bn. This had been mentioned by Saad al Hilli…
[as originally machine translated: In the process of intelligence carried out by the Iraqi government by sending elements of the gold for assassinations band’s and run by al-Maliki personally had this group the assassination organization through weapons with silencers targeted one Iraqi businessmen in France and named Saad ornaments with his wife and two daughters have carried out the assassination of the victim in a suburb Vrenceccant Filter ornaments physically came as a result of retaining drafts electronic notary where relationship Maliki government with the Organization of Iran (PMOI) and use in many processes of physical liquidation of many of the Iraqi leaders and Iraqi competencies was ornaments had threatened al-Maliki in an encrypted message that will be announced and published these tablets of the means media if not paid Maliki government financial amount of two billion U.S. dollars has been expressed]
….Saad al Hilli to one close to him saying that he held discs and documents, equally as important as the discs, showing that the demolition and bombing of the shroine of Ali Hadi, peace be upon him, had been planned, and this was what caused the fury of the author and the motive to liquidate the Iraqi businessman Saad al Hilli in Paris so all his secrets would disappear with him and his family. A third party can be expected to issue a vague statement but so far nothing has been said about these discs by al Maliki. It is said Do not disclose these papers at this critical time when Maliki wants to renew for a third term as these papers could break the back of Al Maliki through a media storm.
[ornaments before his death to one close to him that he owns the disks and documents no less important than discs that were conceived way demolition and shrine bombing Ali al-Hadi peace be upon him and this is what raised the ire of the owner and his party and push them to liquidate Iraqi businessman Saad ornaments in Paris with his family even disappear with him all secrets is expected that there will be a third party entered the line issue a vague personal so far he has not issued any statement or news about these discs so far has been in the accounts of al-Maliki said Do not remove these tablets at this critical period that Maliki wants to renew for a third term, which can be for these tablets that break the back of al-Maliki and infuriatingly media
During 2012 attempts were made (Sunni, Kurd) to oppose Maliki in Parliament but this never happened.]
Durring the Saddam era, the shrine was damaged in various reprisal actions after the 1991 Gulf War. On February 22, 2006, the Golden Dome and much of the underlying stucture was destroyed in an deliberate bomb attack said to have been perpetrated by Sunni Muslim extremists with links to al-Qaida. The bombing triggered dozens of reprisal attacks, sectarian killings of hundreds of Iraqi civilians across the country and bombings of dozens of Sunni and Shi’a mosques in Iraq, particularly in Baghdad. An estimated 20,000 families also have been displaced because of the violence. Fifteen months after the first bombing, the two minarets in front of the ruined al-Askari Shrine were toppled in a second bomb attack on June 13, 2007.
It appears that the motive was to trigger a sectarian civil war in Iraq. It happened in the week of outrage against the occupation, videos of Abu Ghraib had been released, and British soldiers shown on video beating prisoners, the week when the local governor removed British immunity from prosecution. The US said it was Al Qaeda, Ayatollah Khomeini blamed the CIA and Israel, Moqtada al Sadr blamed infidel Baathists, God damn them, and the occupation forces. Al Sistani said Of course it is not Sunnis who did this work; it is the terrorists, terrorism does not have a religion. In the end the Sunni leaders decided against a fight against both the Shia and the US forces. But the dark forces of the death squads continued – Badr, Sadr, Dawa, Pershermga. Is civil war in Iraq still a Western strategic goal in order to transmit a pressure wave of unrest on to neighbouring Iran?
On June 26, 2007, it was announced that one of the Samarra mosque bombers, Yusri Fakhir Muhammad Ali (aka Abu Qudama, a member of Al-Qaeda in Iraq) was arrested in Al-Dulu’iyah, north of Baghdad, after a firefight between Iraqi forces and insurgents. Ali, who confessed to participating in the Samarra bombing, said the Al-Qaeda lieutenant who conceived the attack on the Golden Mosque is identified as Haitham Sabah Shakir Muhammad al-Badri. According to Ali, the reason for the February 2006 and June 2007 attacks on the Samarra was to help promote violence between Shi’a and Sunnis. “The shrines of the Al-Askari imams were chosen because of their religious importance and their geographical location, and the choice was meant to cause sectarian division among the people,” he said. On July 7, 2007 the Iraq government announced that Yusri Fakhir Muhammad Ali had been hanged.
@ olifant 6 Mar, 2013 – 11:51 am
Were the discs in the CD or DVD case (Koran or commentaries?) seen in the evidence as it was removed from Claygate? If they were, then the UK has info. now. Maybe it’s why US won’t give to EM what SAH had backed up on US servers. They don’t want more trouble now in Iraq.
Olifant
Sounds logic. But didnt Saad leave any backups? He was intelligent enough to leave backups somewhere with friends, notaries or banks.
But where from did he have such documents and who would have believed him?
Ok, the London Group knew a lot, particularly Allawi. But why was it Saad who went forward?
Though, i always suggested that this looks like blackmailing with documents and knowledge keeping secret in return for money.
If it is true what your source said, then it remains interesting about how deep were the british, the americans and the french/nato involved into these false flag terrorist activities in iraq?
What we all already knew:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/06/prisoner-x-working-israeli-government
Here ia link, one of a possible 142,000, of the shootings in Eilat where the American killer is called William Hershkovitz:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-citizen-kills-hotel-employee-in-eilat-shooting/
Certainly Hershkovitz was using this name at the time, and it was only when the scope of the possible massacres became more apparent that people in America, especially his family, started claiming that his name was really William Herskowitz – what Bluebird has made an avocation of, and ultimately resulted in funeral notices of the sweet young youth, it seems, dying of some unexplained cause.
This is part of a campaign to give the Hyde Park resident an alibi for what he has done, acting as if two different people are involved.
Hershkovitz has no established alibi for anything he might have done despite Bluebird’s wild claims.
NR
I am sure that the British police knows a lot more than us after seizing his computers. However, most likely for political reasons they will never tell us about what they know. Simply because they are involved into those crimes in iraq. That is the reason for the silence of the press and for the proven BS that Maillaud is telling us.
So true Bluebird
6 Mar, 2013 – 8:53 am. It was a point I was going to make but as usual you have made it first and better. The intensely complicated nature of all the factions and tensions that are at work in that swathe of the globe from Pakistan to Algeria marked by varying degrees of violence and western intervention. Almost without exception it has been subject to western empires and administration whilst retaining an essentially Muslim world view. All civil conflicts are bloody and divisive. We only have to remember our own and those of America to prove the point. Nor should we forget the catastrophic “Christian” world wars before we point the finger at other religions. However the approach to women and punishment appears to western eyes as particularly barbaric as illustrated by the killing of Al-Khoei, a description of which I thought I had posted but now can’t find! Clearly the colours of a political atlas are so simplified as to to be laughable. Swirling inside and across them are all the historic hatreds and disputes. Part of the problem is our total ignorance of the complexity of what is going on.
This is worth reprinting Olifant
6 Mar, 2013 – 11:51 am
It appears that the motive was to trigger a sectarian civil war in Iraq. It happened in the week of outrage against the occupation, videos of Abu Ghraib had been released, and British soldiers shown on video beating prisoners, the week when the local governor removed British immunity from prosecution. The US said it was Al Qaeda, Ayatollah Khomeini blamed the CIA and Israel, Moqtada al Sadr blamed infidel Baathists, God damn them, and the occupation forces. Al Sistani said Of course it is not Sunnis who did this work; it is the terrorists, terrorism does not have a religion. In the end the Sunni leaders decided against a fight against both the Shia and the US forces. But the dark forces of the death squads continued – Badr, Sadr, Dawa, Pershermga. Is civil war in Iraq still a Western strategic goal in order to transmit a pressure wave of unrest on to neighbouring Iran?
I think we are getting warmer and warmer.
Bluebird
6 Mar, 2013 – 1:29 pm I reckon you are not too far out there. However I prefer a slightly more nuanced interpretation BB. The British are tied diplomatically, economically, militarily to the US. It tagged along on the Iraq invasions but was ultimately humiliated in the south and deprived of the economic benefits that the US kept for itself. To our eternal shame, we went along with the fabricated case against WMD (No one is saying Saadam was not a brutal dictator – that Blair has subtly replaced for justification – but his removal was not determined by that. Rather that as a CIA puppet the strings were no longer working) and were so compromised as to be able to do nothing about the travesty that we witnessed unfolding. There was some muted criticism of the approach taken by American forces and the British were not themselves whiter than white as subsequent civil compensation claims have proved. Nor were we clean when again it came to rendition and torture but I don’t think we were enthusiastic about it! We tried a “Pilot Trick” and tried to wash our hands of the whole dirty business. Nor subsequently have we pressed for the many glaring problems with 9/11 that pychologically precipitated both Afghanistan and Iraq, to be examined forensically, which would likely bring down the whole ediface of “special relationship”. The underlying question is not only who masterminded the invasion but also the subsequent violence and mayhem. Documentary proof of US and Israeli activity in this area would be highly damaging even though the stated enemy, Iran, has in fact been assisted to ascendancy with US/Israeli help in Iran. Thus Al Hilli’s/al Saffar’s with long and personal grudges, though ostensibly Shia are not American Maliki Shias. If they posed a significant threat to the plan they had to be “neutralized”. So shaping up we could easily have a scenario of CIA/Mossad assets being used to prevent their current Iraqi plan being sabotaged with French assistance. (I simply do not believe Sdrists would have been allowed to operate directly in France) The murder of Abdul-Majid al-Khoei, as BB has pointed out was almost certainly a close contact with SAH, where US units assigned to protect him failed to act, and more significantly identified perpetrators were released by the Maliki government in a political deal, is all the evidence we need that Chevaline was part and parcel of this wider geo-political manoeuvring.
CORRECTION: Slip of the finger there! “The underlying question is not only who masterminded the invasion but also the subsequent violence and mayhem. Documentary proof of US and Israeli activity in this area would be highly damaging even though the stated enemy, Iran, has in fact been assisted to ascendancy with US/Israeli help in Iran.” Should read “Iraq” obviously.
Olifant.
Makes logic. But two questions initially form.
1. Why does the writer in that peice say about the Al-Hilli killing “suburb” and later “in Paris”.
Is that just a mistake by the writer.
If Al-Saffar and Al-Hilli clans are inter related, then Paris is where Ali Al-Saffar works.
Looking at Ammar Al Saffar…and the dossier, it is said he was to take it to the Iraqi PM. Would this have been the case ?
That would be the last place he would take it, I would guess.
I read that Al-Saffar tried to resign 3 months proir to Nov 2006, but it wasn’t accepted. He was asked to stay as he was seen as a person of “fairness” between the “factions”.
This ultimately was his death. However the dossier was by then “out of the country”, it would appear.
Is this what Chevaline was all about ?
Pretty powerful stuff if it was. Numerous interested parties wanting to keep the “process” (however flawed) on track.
The attitudes of Prisoner X Ben Zygier’s family in Australia and the attitude of Saad al-Hilli’s family in the U.K. are similar with regard to their unbroken silence. It begs many questions: what don’t they want us to know? What do they fear? Will speaking out in public precipitate other events that they do not desire? Have they been told things by investigators: true, untrue, unproven or speculative in nature? Are they being watched, and if so, by whom? Has anyone threatened them? Are they at risk? Was the death of their family member(s) a warning to them or others by groups known or unknown to them? There are so many more questions.
I wanted to put this out there for clarity, although we have previously discussed this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9530829/France-shooting-anguish-of-murdered-Britons-brother.html
For further clarity, Iqbal’s sister is believed to be a citizen of Iraq, studying in the U.K. This is not certain. The little girls are British.
@ Tim V: The question is who sponsors rebel groups? Or is that “rebel” groups?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-atrocities-committed-by-us-nato-sponsored-opposition-executioner-for-syria-s-rebels-tells-his-story/30072
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-secret-services-u-s-nato-gcc-arm-syrian-rebels-through-iraq-lebanon-and-turkey/29495
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backed-syrian-rebels-in-disarray-at-qatar-conference-2/5310815
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/world/middleeast/fighting-escalates-in-syrian-city-opposition-says.html?_r=0
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-iraq-syria-borderbre92206u-20130303,0,4150555.story
One more question:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backed-syrian-rebels-in-disarray-at-qatar-conference-2/5310815
As always, consider the source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
@NR
Could you please pass this message and link on to Max at MZT showing the builders saw Green 4×4 and a motorbike before the BMW they saw nothing afterwards.
Laurent Fillion-Robin, a 38-year-old builder, also claimed there was no sign of any vehicle following the family. He was working on a house near Chevaline when he saw the maroon BMW drive past between 2.30pm and 3pm.
He told police he had seen a green 4×4 and a motorbike heading in the direction of the crime scene beforehand. Fillion-Robin’s testament points towards an agreed rendezvous between Al-Hilli and his eventual killers — a possibility which may be backed up by the records of two mobile phones found in the BMW.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/an-alpine-murder-mystery–why-were-the-alhillis-shot-dead-8125292.html
@ Mochyn 6 Mar, 2013 – 12:46 pm
From the link you gave: “Carr also confirmed that Zygier had more than 50 visits from his family and lawyer during the 10 months he was held.”
So he wasn’t held incommunicado and the prison service earlier said it wasn’t a suicide-proof cell, complete with a partially surveilled separate bathroom, hotplate and fridge. Apparently he did his own laundry, taking his non-suicide-proof sheets to the shower to wash them. Sounds like the original tales were sensationalism on the part of the press.
clearly blog entry wasn’t accurate where “Paris” was mentioned. its at http://www.aklaam.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-53685.html blogger name = Salman Iraqi
right on cue today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/06/pentagon-iraqi-torture-centres-link
Exclusive: General David Petraeus and ‘dirty wars’ veteran behind commando units implicated in detainee abuse
‘mekiddon’ adds a comments below the aricle “Who seriously believed in the first place that it was a sex scandal for his reason to resign.?”
Olifant…
What is interesting about that article is the date it was written.
The issue it raises, namely the dossier/information which may have been held by Al-Hilli. The author does not write anything about any other thing related to Al-Hilli (job, mother in law, Swiss Bank acc, etc…).
Clearly the author more than likely would known about the Al-Saffar kidnap in 2006…and therefore the alleged “dossier”.
Did he just link the two incidents together…by chance ?
Did he mention “Paris” just by chance as it is in France…or because Ali Al Saffar works in Paris ?
The other thing.. Al Hilli “rushed” off “on holiday”. He did not book into a hotel (money ? Ability to move around ?) even though he had his elderly mother in law in tow…and it was at the end of summer (not forgetting the start of the school term).
Was this the “conclusion” of a deal ?
The thought of Al Hilli transporting cash across a border to deposit it in a Swiss Acc is beyond reason.
But attending a Swiss Bank, which contained a deposit is well within reason. Did Al Hilli visit Geneve during his “holiday” ?
It is claimed he infact did.