The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Bluebird….
You want symbols ?
The “Division Fenrir” et al. …..And “The Luger” ?
Or Artam Brotherhood …..And motorbikes (and Geneve, and lugers) ??
2 Nov 2012
Annecy – A man pulls out a shotgun at the exit of the Eid
Last Friday, while 500 people left the place of worship after the Eid in a room on the outskirts of Annecy (Haute-Savoie), a man came out armed with a shotgun to threaten the crowd .
http://alter-natife.blogspot.com.es/2012/11/annecy-un-homme-sort-un-fusil-pompe-la.html
Guess that didn’t make the papers then ???
In the Robert Mollier shooting competition there did not just participate Robert Mollier himself but also
Senior 31 MOUSQUETAIRE: SCHUTZ Jean Luc
(See link above).
I would really like to find the 2012 results. Sylvain Mollier and Claire Schutz?
Blue
http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fafwatchra.noblogs.org/post/tag/smajdor/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dartam%2Bbrotherhood%2B%2522annecy%2522%26biw%3D1067%26bih%3D501
Look at the new group “Nationalistes Haute/savoie”
Maybe it is why “chevaline” is so quite about Mollier ?
DOH !
“is so quiet”
James
Bloody hell, those pictures of his friend Hannah Garcia were the best ones i saw here since september 2012 😉
Thanks for that link. I said that this is a carbon copy of the German Gladio/neonazi assassinations. I stringly guess that they will find the killer in those neonazi group photos (if the killer isnt already dead or extorted as it is my suspicion). And Hannah Garcia isnt the killer, although i am sure that she could kill guys in some kind of fantasy …. now back to topic.
WAIT A MINUTE !
I remember this on DAY ONE.
“the bodies were discovered in the Haute-Savoie region in eastern France, authorities said on Wednesday, the Associated Press reported”.
“Three bodies were detected in a BMW sports utility vehicle registered in Britain at a parking in Chevaline. A fourth body was found nearby”.
THAT….
“Three bodies were detected in a BMW sports utility vehicle”
I recall.
So who told AP to STOP talking about the BMW 4×4 AFTER thay had mentioned to the the “existence” of a BMW 4×4 ?
http://www.popscreen.com/v/78AtP/Lespion-vous-salue-bien-DOC-Samedi-27-octobre-%C3%A0-15h25
What gun is that in the Robert Mollier espionage report clip (link above)?
Is anyone here expert enough to identify that gun?
Watching “Enemy of the State” (again) It was made in 1998. If you haven’t seen it, it is worth a look. Fifteen year old technology. Just think what’s it like now.
Blue…
No idea from me. Other than “its looks to have parts made of wood” !
ALSO, did you know “Martinet” has another meaning ?
A more “military” meaning ????
I haven’t known that before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCNXIPMOYc
This is the complete one hour espionage docu report by French TV regarding the 5 french 007 james bond heroes, one of them being Robert Mollier. Worth watching if you speak french.
James
Re “another meaning”
Oh Yeah.
There are more meanings in that parking lot than you can shake a stick at.
The symbolism got me day one, I thought to myself “Well, I know what that was all about. . . ”
But apparently it was all coincidence. Now here’s the thing, six months ago I would have written that as irony, but now it all looks so messed up that I’m not sure that there is any meaning there at all.
I think we (by that I really mean BB!) is on to something here. We have Molliers (not nec. related to Sylvain) closely involved in anti-terrorist activity, we assume, in Algeria. National socialism. Le Penn. Shooting competitions.
We have the al hillis connected to Iraqi government, the british and american secret agencies.
friends of mollier say just an ordinary chap. friends of al hilli same.
is it possible his 3 yr “sabbatical” was organised specifically to undertake a specific task I’m wondering?
Tim
I actually started from scratch by comparing the German “Bosphorus” assassination series commited by a neonazi group with backups and money given to them by the german secret service BND and then i searched the Chevaline murders for similarities.
That kind of assassination was very similar including the gun used.
So i started to recover the Mollier family links of the french neonazi scene that i had already presented in november 2012. The most significant thing was Christian Mollier’s attack versus the Algerian FLN politician and the torture of his wife in grenoble. Neonazi leader Christian Mollier was arrested and i understand that he was sentenced to 10 years in jail.
Then i asked about why he did attack an Algerian and searched about Algerian links of the al hilli clan and I found Ahmed bin Hilli, general secretary of the Arab League and an Algerian. I was sceptical whether or not he was related, but then i saw the name listed as Ahmed bin Hilli al Najafi (that means his clan coming from Najaf where Kadhim and Hashim al Hilli were born, too). “Bin” is the North African expression for “al” what both means “from”. So then we had Algerian links of the al Hillis to one of the highest representatives in the Arab world, Ahmed bin Hilli. Not surprising at all when we know that Hashim al Hilli was Iraq’s UN ambassador in New York.
Then i did search for Mollier links in Algiers and i saw the Robert Mollier, our “French James Bond” article and the French documentary about their spy team.
Accidentally i found a Robert Mollier near Annecy (who cannot be the spy because the spy must be in his 80tees or 90tees today).
However, this Robert Mollier is an active gun sports shooter and he even sponsors an event. I dont know whether or not this event is called “robert mollier” because of the spy or because of himself. Then i saw Jean Luc Schutz being one of the shooters there, too.
Sadly their website shows the shooting results only back to nov 2012 and all results of previous events had been deleted and do not show up any more.
I can say that the similarities of the Chevaline event and the German assassination series look like a carbon copy. Even the same fake witnesses and fake stories about cyclists and speeding cars. Even the secret service agent who was present whenever an assassination has happened and who was never a suspect reminds me of the infamous WBM.
Wouldn’t it be deeply freaky if the murderer(s), too, was (were) posting?
Sorry for that thought. Silly, no doubt.
Not silly at all
Suhayl Saadi
14 Jul, 2013 – 9:18 am!
Respect Bluebird
14 Jul, 2013 – 1:30 am. As I have said before, it might be relatively easy to come up with a hypothesis for motivation if it had been Mollier OR Al Hilli. It is much more difficult (or is it easier?) to explain why both were targeted, with the added complication (refinement?) that WBM was spared.
What may we conclude from this? As noted before this virtually rules out a random psychopath. It strongly suggests a targeted killing of both parties. The blood splashing strongly indicates there was a meeting. This and other facts indicate EM’s efforts to distance and protect Mollier of involvement must be intentional misinformation. This alone is enough to undermine the credibility of the French investigation at least.
On the British side, silence makes it impossible to form an opinion, although despite an exceptionally detailed search of property and highly unusual steps to protect brother and children, it has come up with no summary, theories or suspects. It has allowed critical whispers of the French investigation to circulate. It has allowed elements of the French story to be undermined and contradicted but it has not publicly voiced reservations or any of the mass of information available to it.
Even the recent arrest is unusual in the extreme. Police bail for such a serious charge after ten months of a criminal investigation the effect of which is to allow the recipient effective protection from having to say anything to anyone.
It appears to me from the evidence before us, that Government involvement in the meeting and in the killing, though not the same Government for each case, cannot be avoided. Given the nationality, location, occupation and response, there can be little doubt that the Al Hilli was working for and on behalf of the British Government. Was this a British Government mission or a private one we do not know.
The way WBM was presented and handled by both French and British, there is little doubt in my mind he was working at the behest of either MI5 or MI6. His role is unclear. Was he there to support or to monitor. What was he led to expect at Martinet. How would he have acted when he got there? Would he just ride past or join in the discussions. Was he there to provide British Government credibility to whatever was being agreed? Was he genuinely shocked by what he found. Did he genuinely fear for his own life? If so, we must assume it was not an envisaged outcome by the British either.
If the last was true it must have been a sophisticated double cross. This is not unique. Numerous war time missions were fatally undermined by Philby and his ilk sending hundreds of agents to their deaths. However whoever set this one up must have considered it a high level of priority and factored in the likely British displeasure and thought it worth the risk. Maybe the fact that the family were of Iraqi origin, killed abroad, would lessen the emotional and political impact?
Then we have Mollier, just an ordinary factory floor worker, with no political or clandestine affiliations. Yet the incongruences and pointers cannot be denied. State denials; no photographs or biography; local somehow “loosing his way”; racing bike indicating Martinet was his destination; close meeting with the total stranger Al Hillis; the bullet wounds; the highly unusual three year break; the importance of the metal technology to nuclear matters; the history of the companies for which he worked; the animosity of the Shulzt family and links to high politics and other murders; and now BB’s latest discoveries.
So was he working for the French SS or was he working off his own bat? Did his death come as a surprise to the French for whom he was working as an asset. If it had would they not have reacted differently? You get the impression they want to protect him from scrutiny but not as their man. Rather for some ulterior motive of cover-up. Did the the meeting flush out a traitor or potential traitor that the French would rather not reveal?
All this leads me to conclude this was essentially a British operation carried out on French soil, the only reason for that being the presence of Mollier for whatever reason. The fact that he no longer worked for Cezus/Ariva must mean his contribution if related to his work must be historical, unless he still maintained contacts. He could have felt a sense of injustice to negate any duty of loyalty.
Alternatively motivation for the brutal murders may lie elsewhere in family connections to the brutal Algerian campaign and Frances part in it. The violent insurgency by Islamist extremists there is on-going with ambush and shooting part of the picture. This may be a viable explanation to connect the Molliers and Al Hillis. There are certainly plenty of skeletons in both family wardrobes. However what makes me draw back is the French response.
If it had been this wouldn’t the government been quick to capitalize on it? Islamist terrorists, would have been tracked for sure. It would provide a convenient French let-out. Arrests of sympathisers would have followed quickly. That this didn’t happen makes this explanation less likely i feel and redirects us to “allies” not enemies who were behind it.
Then we might ask, if the SUV was a fantasy to throw the investigation, it was invented by the British asset? It would mean that the British wanted to confuse issues surrounding their own. I suppose it might be to protect the real reason for the meeting, an undercover operation on foreign territory if done without that government’s involvement or consent. It’s also possible that the BMWx5 was in fact British back-up called in to assist WBM after the shooting by someone else – effectively protection for WBM – before story was agreed and they got the hell out of there before the police arrived. Bit unlikely though I would think given the timing. Nevertheless we have to have regard to the fact that the SUV story comes from the British and no one else effectively, so it was either true or false, and if false we have to think of a reason why the BRITISH would want to do that.
So what suggestion has seized this blog up then? First MZT packs up. Now this? Was it BB, Suhayl or me that hit the bullseye – or maybe all three? Be a shame if the discussion dried up just as we’re starting to get close wouldn’t it?
No contributions for SEVEN hours????????? What’s (not) going on?
Have government agents been told to withdraw? No “shurely” not?
Now what shall I do with my lonely nights?
Tim v
It’s sunday and summer in most countries. Never mind. People have families and other hobbies, too.
I agree with your reply, except that i see SM not as a victim but rather as a suspect. He fits into the Bönhardt/Mundlos description and background nearly perfect. Given all the Saddam Hussein funds previously given to the metal workers union (i repeat: metal workers union!!!) to fund the french extremist right wing party MNR whose leader now arrested Christian Mollier was, and the links given by BND (who would know better about right wing neonazi funds than BND?) of the geneva money to saddam hussein ( or now MNR??) monies, i put SM rather into the suspect of a killer who knew how to shoot.
Btw. Bönhardt and Mundlos “suicided” themselves when something went wrong with their last bank robbery and when police came close to them.
I would not be too surprised if SM were suicided by a third party when something went wrong during the killing, e.g. he being seriously wounded by the car when attacked by Saad in terms of self defence.
Just my 2 cents while comparing the german neonazi/gladio assassination with chevaline.
The gun used, the type of shots and assassination, the “cyclists” and all the wrong cars and false witnesses, and the strong neonazi links and the intelligence involvement are a carbon copy of the so called “Bosphorus” Gladio killing series (“Döner Morde”) in germany (read more on wikipedia).
Now what shall I do with my lonely nights?
Tim v.
Tim v.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders
Read that above as an introduction and search for all articles regarding “Döner Murders” and “Döner Morde” you could find in english. You could also add “BND” or “Verfassungsschutz” or “Gladio” to your search request. I promise that you would have a very long night in reading your results.
This bloke sounds nuts. Perhaps he is. He’s also very bad at predicting the future and unrealistic as to the solutions. He’s also very down on Germany which he blames for all the spying mayhem. It may however have nuggets of truth uncomfortable both for them and us, some of which is independently verifiable. It may or not dovetail with your posted details of BND/right wing shenanigans. You may like to take a look though I warn you, there are a lot of them. We have given scant attention to possible BND involvement in Chevaline. Perhaps we should give it more?
Now just for argument’s sake lets go along with your theory that makes SM the assassin there are I think a few problems we would have to overcome not least the fact that he gets killed himself. This would require obviously a third (or fourth) party. Presumably WBM would be the obvious person to fill this role but not necessarily. If there is but one weapon which SM was firing it must of necessity be wrested off him before he is shot with it. Alternatively the one weapon could be lie. In any event that weapon has to be got rid of unless the police have lied about that too and have it.
Another possibility is that the purpose of the SUV was to mop up and kill the killer. It all depends on whether SM was the first to be shot. If he was he can’t be the killer. If WBM did it, we have to explain why he was protected by both Britain and France, and why we would be in the business of shooting our own abroad, rather than somewhere “more convenient” and in a manner less conspicuous.
Sorry i forgot to post it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqg0ibKsRR4
There is one good thing about cyclists:
They wear gloves and while wearing gloves in the summer you won’t look suspicious as a cyclist.
Tim v
I never said that BND was involved in Chevaline. I said that they tipped off about the geneva money. When BND knows something then it is about financials of right wing neonazi groups in europe. BND supported neonazi people with money who supported the neonazi killers in the Bosphorus murder series. One BND member was always present whenever one of the 10 victims was killed. However, he never became a suspect.
In the 1980tees CIA/Gladio set up bombs in Bommelmer, Belgium and Luxemburg as well as in Munuch (Octoberfest) and in Bologna/Italy. Many people have died. In Munich, one BND officer prepared the bomb and gave it to a neonazi group (group Hoffman) who placed it near the entrance of the Octoberfest area. Many people died.
In Bologna, neonazi placed the CIA bomb in the railway station. Many people died.
There is a tradition that Gladio works with parts of local intelligence and with neonazi groups who are doing the dirty work.
I would not exclude that in france french intelligence would work with french neonazi groups and that Gladio is cooperating with parts of french intelligence.
I do not know the reason why Saddam did fund french neonazi groups. Must have been an intelligence deal between iraqi government and the french government. I do not know why he used the french metal workers union to fund french extreme right group MNR.
However, there is a common system of cooperation between CIA, NATO, parts of local intelligence and finally neonazi groups doing the dirty work.
@Tim V
14 Jul, 2013 – 3:06 pm
‘Then we have Mollier, just an ordinary factory floor worker, with no political or clandestine affiliations.’
You’re forgetting about S&P!
I still have a niggling feeling about extraction, or rendition. Maybe they all needed to be removed to a place of safety and that is the common thread between them.