The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“Britain provided “exceptional leave” to the Saudi expatriate Mohammed al-Massari, the head of the London-based Committee for the Defense of Legitimate Rights, after he declared as “intellectually justified” the attack on a U.S. military barracks in Dharan, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American soldiers. Gamaa al-Islamiya (Islamic Group), the terrorist organization responsible for killing 62 tourists in Luxor, Egypt, was provided political asylum in Britain and numerous efforts by the Egyptian government to have members extradited were denied. The Algerian Armed Islamic Group, responsible for the assassination of Algerian President Mohamed Boudiaf on June 29, 1992, has its international headquarters in London. In addition, various other groups—including the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, Hamas, the Kurdish Workers Party, al-Jihad, and others—operate out of the United Kingdom unmolested.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bombing-mastermind-aswat-works-for-mi-6/794
“Unmolested” but not “unmonitored” you can be sure.
“Of course, it is impossible to know exactly what is going on. However, as a bit of unearthed (and generally ignored) history reveals, it is a well-established fact al-Qaeda was created by the CIA, Pakistan’s ISI, and British intelligence. For more on this, read Michel Chossudovsky’s Who Is Osama Bin Laden? and Franklin Freeman’s Al-Qaeda: A CIA protégé. As for the MI5 angle (and how the Brits provided sustenance to the engineered terrorist network), see Daniel McGrory and Richard Ford, Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent. As for the Israelis, they were caught red-handed creating a fake al-Qaeda cell in Gaza (see Mossad fakes Al-Qaeda Cell; note how this article was removed from the Reuters archive).”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/understanding-7-7-al-qaeda-and-the-real-trinity-of-terror/668
“The underlying case involves a former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling, who is alleged to be a source for an illuminating chapter in New York Times reporter James Risen’s 2006 book State of War, and Risen was subpoenaed to give up the identity of his source. The court ruled that Risen has no right to a reporter’s privilege in the First Amendment, nor is there a common law privilege in the Fourth Circuit, nor does the Court have the right to create one, nor will they allow Risen to escape testimony even if there was.
The district court, which this decision overturns, had it exactly right when it wrote, “A criminal trial subpoena is not a free pass for the government to rifle through a reporter’s notebook.” Now there is nothing stopping reporters from being used as prosecutors, called to testify as to their sources at the whims of the Executive, which is often times the very branch of government they are reporting on.
Many of the largest government agencies dealing with national security—including the CIA, NSA, and Joint Special Operations Command (JOSC)—are located in the Fourth Circuit; this will undoubtedly make it harder for reporters covering them to do their job. As Marcy Wheeler put it, “This pretty much guts national security journalism in the states in which it matters.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-cia-document-and-freedom-of-the-press/5343433
“The district court decision granted James Risen the privilege not to testify after he submitted an extraordinary legal affidavit to the court in which he laid out how his reporting on national security abuses during the Bush administration had led to him being harassed—with his emails, phone calls, and even credit reports being monitored. The Bush administration and members of Congress had publicly threatened him with prosecution under the Espionage Act for his reporting on the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping program. (Sound familiar?)
The Bush administration eventually dropped the subpoena after Risen resisted it for so long, but when President Obama took office, his Justice Department re-issued it and has taken the fight from Sterling’s grand jury, to his trial, and now the appeals court. As Marcy Wheeler wrote, “there is a strong case to be made that the entire point of this trial is to put James Risen, not Jeffrey Sterling, in jail.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-cia-document-and-freedom-of-the-press/5343433
“A retired 21-year veteran of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, who is wanted by INTERPOL for participating in the abduction of a Muslim cleric in Italy, has been detained by police in Panama. Robert Seldon Lady was the CIA’s station chief in Milan in 2003, when a team of 23 Americans, most of them CIA officers, abducted Mustafa Osama Nasr. The CIA suspected the Egyptian-born Nasr, known also as Abu Omar, of working as a recruiter for a host of radical Islamist groups, including al-Qaeda.
On February 17, 2003, Nasr was seized in dramatic fashion by a group of CIA operatives in broad daylight in Milan. He was stuffed into an unmarked white van and eventually ended up in Egypt, where he was tortured before being released. Nasr’s case helped raise awareness of the US government’s extraordinary rendition program. Under the controversial program, suspected terrorist operatives were secretly taken to third-party countries where they were subjected to aggressive interrogation techniques. Italian authorities were irritated by Nasr’s kidnapping, which they claimed took place without the consent of the Italian government. There are also reports that the Italian intelligence services were monitoring Nasr at the time and were trying to recruit him as a source, which might explain why they were incensed when the Egyptian was snatched by the CIA without their authorization.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/panama-arrests-ex-cia-chief-of-station-wanted-by-interpol-for-abduction-of-muslim-cleric/5343322
Tim V, isn’t ignoring the best way to handle comments or queries you feel are designed to needle you? I found that studiously avoid getting into squabbles over petty details is the best approach, though, like you, I find much said on internet blogs (in general, not this one in particular) that is either outlandish, or illogical, or pointlessly personal. For example, you took strong issue with Lynda’s tone in disagreeing with you on points you raised on MZT. Why? like others on this and that blog, she has a favorite take on the events of Chevaline and, unlike some others who enjoy jousting with logic tools, she is reluctant to drop or modify much her preferred reconstruction of the events (she is back to the BMW making that funky reverse arc and the shooter being “on foot”, ie no car brought him tto the place of Martinet that we know of). Why some individuals hold on rather reflexively to ‘theories’ that have had all along, may have everything to do with the reason they find Chevaline riveting enough to spend considerable time and effort posting on blogs in the first place. Maybe logic exercises is not their interest. may be they like the inspiration for stories they are writing. may be they are someone else’s alter ego. And yes, there’s always a chance they are not the innocent poster they appear to be. But then there’s such a chance for any of us, no? you or I may turn out to be mossad or cia tools, as unlikely as that appears to be on psychological grounds (next post will explain why that is not likely).
In any case, since no one seems to want to discuss Chevalinous patterns of “hiding in plain sight” I will continue my discourse on commentator psychologies.:
my own observation is that some people who post on blogs will naturally clash because of writing styles. I have no trouble with your bulletless paragraphs, but then I am on the opposite end of ADHD (ie, all H, no much D). That’s because it is similar to my style which means I don’t need someone to put in the bullets for me to see them. I insert them mentally and authomatically as I read along. A skill mastered from years of reading through complicated, dense and occasionally inscrutable material. However, I recognize that there are some (in real life too) who take thoroughness and/or an occasionally dense writing style as an affront. They may find it difficult to follow and that irks them. When they respond with disproportionate emotion, it can be to the style (which they can’t follow) rather than the content. Such individuals may respond by spraying bullets every-which-may, insulting or impugning the motivation and/or personal traits of a poster, or, more likely, zero in on one small detail and make an elephant out of it, which basically kills the conversation for everyone else.
I have also seen posters who specialize in very cryptic writing styles that require others to put in the substance where there are but a series of blanks. So a more analytic poster is likely to infer intent where none may exist in the first place. Or they may take exception with what seems like refusal to engage on logical grounds. In any case, James has an “intuitive” style of commentary and I try to follow some of his questions and “riddles” not for their own sake but for insight it may provide me by merely engaging outside my own box.
For example, whether shots are ‘from a distance’ or are “window grazing” or “indicative of a non- professional” are questions we will ABSOLUTERLY not be able to reach consensus on, given a mere couple of photos taken from a helicopter, enhanced using software tools. On MZT several, like max and lars are questioning the number of shots to the windshield since some could indeed be reflections, ie, artefacts. While none of us can refute or confirm any of these as FACTS (not having had access to the car itself) there is no point in getting too aggravated over someone’s suggestion, no matter how forcefully they may hold unto it, is there?
Since consensus is impossible, given the lack of data (two or three photos are NOT a full set of data!), the approach i take is to file ALL suggestions as possibilities, and assign them weights according to my own judgement of the veracity of evidence, availability of any independent confirmation and internal consistency with other facts. So, for example – the “bike” picture. It may or may not be a bike – some see it so others don’t. IT cannot however be excluded, and if it can’t the question is – why did that picture materialize so long after the events?
So the “bike or no bike” falls into the same category as the RHD BMW X5 – “things that pop up many many months after the event”. In that bin alone I have already 6 separate bits collected, and am inserting a couple more as we speak. There may be invisible threads that tie all these together or not.
PS the above analysis on writing styles is not to be taken as disagreement with your suggestion of ‘trolling”. Obviously, I can’t rule that out. In the case of Katie, who used to post here (and had endless wranglings with james) I was much surer. But then that could have all been a “suabbling duo” show put on for our benefit, designed to derail the discussions. Happens on political blogs all the time.
Why not just stay focused on the case at hand and ignore distractions as side shows?
Tim V, while you are sharing the collection (a small sample no doubt) of CIA, MI6 shenanigans, I’ll continue merrily along on my “Psychologizing” (why not, since no one else seems to care to contribute):
Here’s a hint: posters such as myself, fond of psychologizing and “patterning” the blogoshere and the many denizens who thrive within it, are not likely to be ‘trolls’ for any agency other than their own selves. Why? because the more missives one writes about the possible ‘psychology” of others, the more likely one is to drop clues as to their own agency. A proper troll for the PTBs is not likely to do that, other than to drop off a few “bombs’ here and there. they just can’t be sure that they may say more than intended, especially with the likes of yours truly patrolling the peripheries, ever on the lookout for “nuggets”.
Second hint: no one ever gives me a hard time, and it’s not like I don’t give a cause for others to precipitate now and then.
Third hint: may be later. may be not. Time to go to a party.
Marlin !
“I try to follow some of his questions and “riddles”…..”
That ridiculous ! (see what I did there. “Riddles”, “Ridiculous” !)
Anyway… maybe I should just post reams and reams of endless “what MI6 have ever done” …and then somehow “link it” to the Al Hilli case.
Isn’t that what we are trying to study here ???
Not one piece of actual research does Tim post.
He comes of scenarios …and can never move from them.
Ever noticed how nmany “posters” have left here ?
Ever read back through the last few post of today ?
Tell me “in truth” is ANY of it linked to Al Hilli ???
Hence I;’m off to !
“A retired 21-year veteran of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, who is wanted by INTERPOL for participating in the abduction of a Muslim cleric in Italy……!
“As Fox News tells it, at the very moment the British police were supposedly looking high and low for Dewsbury resident Haroon Rashid Aswat, pegged as the London bombing “mastermind,” MI-6 was quietly stowing him away for safe keeping…….”
“According to Lynnae Williams, former CIA clandestine service trainee and DIA analyst, the FBI and CIA use trolls to monitor social media and interact with users to discredit information disseminated on the web…..”
It’s just f***ing rubbish !
Marlin I like your analysis of posters and posting. Everyone must have their own reasons for being here. I suppose mine is partly boredom and partly obsession. I guess that might be common to a lot of posters.
However there is a deeper reason. I can’t stand it when Government breaks trust with the public and with truth. I can’t stand it when Government acts illegally and then covers up. I can’t stand “bully boys” be they individuals or nation states. I hate the fact that Government can treat us as fools, to be manipulated as they please and herded like sheep towards a totalitarian future.
I, like many millions of others, was shocked by the assassination of Kennedy, and subsequently of King and his brother. I also swallowed the propaganda and official story line. Only with time did we discover that both Kennedy’s public image and how and by whom he was killed were both myths, that have had ramifications and caused untold suffering to the present day. That’s why history is important, and famously, “If we do not learn from the mistakes we are condemned to repeat them”.
Nevertheless I was taken in, as was PM Blair by the events of 9/11. How could such a dastardly, inhumane event have been contrived and carried out by agents of the state, with or without assistance by others? The concept is too outrageous to be even considered possible!
Yet that is what all the science based evidence points to.
These two events, leaving aside all other examples of duplicitous action, indicates a deep and dangerous rot at the very centre of the most powerful nation in the world and of an organisation within it. Even sixty years after the event, the CIA frustrates any attempt to unravel the Kennedy mystery, as my post above illustrated. So what chance of an honest investigation of an event only twelve years old?
If we had more time and space we could trace the sinuous threads that connect these two pivotal historical events and their implications but just one will have to do.
A certain George Bush senior worked for the CIA. He was photographed outside the Dallas Book Depository. Uniquely when asked, he couldn’t remember where he was on the day Kennedy was shot, apparently. He became the head of the CIA and subsequently President in which capacity he ordered the first invasion of Iraq. This after decades of western support and arming of that nation. (We hardly need mention oil) After two terms of the Democrat President Clinton, Bush junior gets elected surrounded by men prominent in his father’s administration, right wing, oil based and hawkish. Then 9/11. Then the second (illegal) invasion of Iraq on spurious prospectus. Then all that followed including the relatively insignificant event of Chevaline.
Throughout this imbroglio, it has only been the internet, that has challenged the official transcript that we are meant to swallow. This has sent shock waves through the halls of power, for where you cannot control by force it is necessary to control opinion. So we have Assange, Manning, Snowden and all the attempts, some successful, to increase control and state powers over individuals.
We have had this with Chevaline and I have resisted it, as I see it as yet another example of the bigger rot referred to above. The Al Hilli family and the British Public (not to mention the Molliers and the French) deserve better than be sold a pup.
A lot always hangs on the investigation of a serious crime but more hangs on this one than normal. It may have passed into a sort of obscurity. The media may have failed in their duty to hold government to account. So that is why I will continue to bang away, not only challenging the misinformation but also posting items that illustrate the complicated and interwoven issues in which somewhere the solution to the murders is to be found.
I have been the subject of personal invective which I have always take as a compliment and confirmation that I must be hitting the spot! If I wasn’t who really would care?
Did you ever think that “crimes” are just “crimes” ?
However they got dragged in ?
JFK. Yeah he did some good things.
But how do you reckon a family gets that “powerful” ?
I bet you still believe that George Washington cut down his dads Cherry Tree don’t you ?
And I bet you believe that the “internet” provides all the answers “if you dig deep enough” right ?
You think the internet is “honest” ?
You think Fox News (who you quote) is “honest” ?
OR the BBC OR whoever ????
You’re “blind without a cane”.
MI6 only works because there are “bad” people ???
You think “bad people” are only exclusive to “pulling down the state” ????
You’re “naïve”
So you will look for “spooks in the dark” ?
You can’t even do 5 minutes off research of your own back, to work out Al Hilli’s address ! YET you quote “what the feck internet site” as though it was “law”.
And you say “you’re getting to the truth” ???
Like I said “blind without a cane”.
Marlin hope you enjoyed the party. I had a good time yesterday dancing in the street. You carry on “Psychologizing” . I enjoy it. I never take exception to anything anyone posts unless it appears to be person and abusive just for the sake of it. I find BB’s contributions quite amazing even if they stray from the central line a bit. Perhaps he/she will one day share his/her method with us. I find the road less travelled (in Robert Frost’s phrase) sometimes the most useful to throw up threads – not least the continuing implications of Gladio in the Benghazi incident. I am always hopeful that a fact in one post might lead someone to another. For example when I saw that quote of the UN weapons inspectors about chicken farms I linked it to what we know the Al Hillis had one which always seemed a puzzle. Why so many chicken farms by inspectors. Why Al Hilli chicken farms. Someone must know.
And then the doubt a failure to distinguish between the use of “to” and “too” induces in me.
I’m getting tired. So many ? marks missed and “al” from the person – sorry. As James says, I’m sure I’d be no good as a spy. Anyway here’s Frost’s poem to entertain you all. (All?) Whatever.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveller, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I–
I took the one less travelled by,
And that has made all the difference.
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15717#sthash.fWDOirzo.dpuf
Some of you show signs of frustration and resignation?
I simply hope that this is just because of the summer heat or alcohol.
My personal opinion is that we are pretty close.
My humble opinion says that we won’t find an answer when we waste our time by looking at police pictures, tire marks or at ‘maybe or maybe not’ bicycles.
Those pictures only tell us whether or not the police didnt tell us the truth. We already know that they didnt tell us the truth? So then, why waste the time with photos?
The only tire marks of importance are the 4×4 tire marks. That is the reason why they search for a 4×4. The “witnesses” could not even identify the colour, forget about the model of that car. the witnesses did never mention a 4×4. How could they if they do not even know the model? The 4×4 was added by Eric’s logic due to the tire marks.
So then we know that there was a 4×4. Does that help? No!
I am going for motives and reasoning. I try to understand what they were doing and why they were doing that. I try to understand what they were thinking. I try to find clues for relations even between al hilli and mollier.
And i try to eliminate all “clues” given to us by Eric as we know that they lie. They want to point us and media into the opposite direction, for whatever reason.
When i re started from scratch, i found more answers than before and zhose answers are looking to be quite logic.
E.g. why was Zaid employed by Lord Moyne who (and whose family) did support Iraq and Arab interests? Lord Moyne, whose grandfather was assassinated by jewish terrorists in egypt. Lord Moyne (the grandfather) who was Churchill’s representative in Middle East.
Those are the questions and answrrs that bring us further in terms of motives and understanding of what did the families think. This is a long lasting and painful process, sometimes boring, sometimes leading us into a col du sac.
But time is always a partner of truth!
Those are the historic things that make us understand relations and jobs and status quo much better. Was it just an accident that Zaid al Hilli worked for already more than 10 years for Lord Moyne, the grand child of THE Lord Moyne? Was it a coincidence that Zaid married an Irish O’Rourke? Was it coincidence that Lord Moyne and in fact all the Guiness family at this time ( e.g. Lady Miltford, Hitler’s heiress), were called anti-semite by the Jews?
Is it coincidence that the Lord Moyne name is always in close connection with Middle East affairs in the House of Lords? Is it coincidence that Lord Moyne, “a friend of Iraq and the Arab world” was often connected to MI6 middle East bureau? Is it coincidence that Zaid worked for his family business?
Those are the investigations that might bring us further.
http://www.historama.com/online-resources/articles/israel/teddy_kollek_informed_for_british_intelligence.html
Quote:
The Etzel and Lechi saw in Lord Moyne an
anti-Semite (ed.:link Mollier, MNR, Saddam ….)
and a key figure responsible for the turning away of Jewish refugee boats fleeing Nazi Europe (although according to one source Moyne may have in the meantime become convinced of the need for a Jewish homeland). Nevertheless, the Lechi assassinated him in November 1944, triggering a domestic and international uproar. The Jewish Agency, keen to demonstrate reliability and balance with the British, voted to take action against the apparent “treachery” of the breakaway groups seen to be endangering the realization of a future independent Jewish state. The period of November 1944 to July 1945 was called theSaison, a reference to European hunting season, and marked a period of intense military activity by the Haganah against the Etzel and Lechi and close cooperation with the British authorities. By March 1945 the British reported the receipt of information on 830 individuals of whom 337 were arrested. Many of those arrested from the Etzel and Lechi were imprisoned in Eritrea, Kenya and Sudan and became known as the “African Exiles”.
Kollek addressed the split in the Yishuv in his book, where he wrote: “We were opposed to terror activities, both on principle and also because we were convinced that these activities hurt our friends [on the British side]. We knew, for example, that Lord Moyne was a close friend of Churchill and we believed that Churchill and the circle around him would reach a decision in connection to the Middle East after the war. Why turn them into enemies? After the murder of Lord Moyne at the hands of Jewish terrorists in 19449 the Jewish Agency acted to demonstrate to the British just how much we are opposed to the terror activities and to avoid additional incidents like these”.
This is Zaid al Hilli’s current employer:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Guinness,_3rd_Baron_Moyne
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/profile-jonathan-guinness-lord-moyne–requiem-for-an-irish-dynasty-1292951.html
But all has changed since Swedish police swooped on London in search of the pounds 50m that has gone missing from the Stockholm investment company Guinness took over last summer.Contrary to the press release accompanying the release of Requiem for a Family Business, published on Friday, the 67-year-old scion of the Irish brewery dynasty is not available for interviews. Nor did he return telephone calls all week.Swedish authorities this week said they believe the missing funds were transferred from Trustor’s Swedish bank accounts to an account at Barclays Bank in London shortly after Guinness took control.The mystery of the moment – apart from the whereabouts of the money – is why Jonathan Guinness would suddenly go on a Scandinavian spending spree. In June, he paid about pounds 19m for control of Trustor, which invests in companies that make engineering and car parts, such as AP Parts, UP Parts, and TPC.
This was the grandfather of Zaid al Hilli’s current boss:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Guinness,_1st_Baron_Moyne
Bb
This is the full story regarding the boss of Zaid al Hilli and the “lost” hundreds of millions of swedish money.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustor_affair
That below confirms that even the old Lord Moyne was a golfer. That isnt significant because many Lords play golf, but it is good to know.
What is also a pretty weird coincidence is the matter of fact that Lord Moyne was assassinated by ….. two cyclists.
Quote:
When Sansom pointed out that it was his duty as Field Security chief to ensure that the Resident Minister was properly protected, Lord Moyne became irritable. Once he told Sansom: “I’m damned if I’ll put up with guards traipsing about after me on the golf-course or when I call on a friend.”
http://www.lookandlearn.com/blog/19891/the-stern-gang-murdered-lord-moyne-churchills-popular-secretary-of-state/
In case some of you might ask about why i try to investigate the background of Zaid al Hilli’s employer, i shall answer that for some unknown reason we had missed to do that. We had searched for Saad’s fathers work, we had a lengthy discussion regarding Saad’s work, Mollier’s employer and even about WBM’s work. We did investigate the work of Saad’s cousin. However, until today we actually forgot about his closest living relative: Zaid ! Why?
We might possibly find the final clues in Zaid’s work and in Zaid’s background to understand Saad’s connections. Zaid will lead us towards Saad. So far we weren’t interested at all into Zaid’s work and neither were we interested into the question about why did Zaid “work what” and why did he get the “job”. Neither do we know whether or not this was a “job” to cover his real job for Lord Moyne/MI6.
Colin Mayes is the CEO of Burhill Golf & Leisure, obviously he is Zaid’s director.
Significant are Burhill golf clubs fundraising activities for “help for heroes” and UK army.
http://www.yasni.co.uk/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golftoday.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fyeartodate%2F2011%2Fcharity.html&name=Colin+Mayes&cat=filter&showads=1
News Archive2011Golf professionals raise over £30,000 for charity January 18, 2011A group of golf industry professionals who conquered the Three Peaks Challenge have presented a cheque for £30,169.58 to Help for Heroes. The team of 11 friends from all parts of the golf industry took just 22 hours and 45 minutes to climb the UK’s three highest mountains – Snowdon, Ben Nevis and Scafell Pike – in July, 2010, in aid of Help for Heroes’ Battle Back initiative, a tri-service organisation which uses Adaptive Adventure Training and Sports Rehabilitation to help seriously wounded service personnel gain confidence and return to an active life. Colin Mayes, Jim Conlan, Tristan Hall and Andy Owen (Burhill Golf & Leisure), Kevin Hart (Club Car), Andrew Brown (Toro), Daniel Hodson (De Vere), Simon Thorpe (Expressions Partnership), John Weir (Cornerstone Golf), Chris Lomas (Secretary at Worplesdon Golf Club) and course designer Jonathan Gaunt joined servicemen benefiting from Battle Back Golf at Burhill Golf Club for a round of golf and to present the cheque.
https://www.justgiving.com/burhill-coast-to-coast/
http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/tours-and-news/noticeboard/268665/burhill-golf-leisure-leads-charity-coast-to-coast-bike-ride.html
http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/instruction/mindgame/271413/burhill-golf-leisure-lead-home-the-coast-to-coast-charity-charge.html
This could be just a tragic coincidence, but the timely coincidence of Max Mosley’s sex scandal and the heroin death of his son (both are closely related to the Moyne family) should be mentioned as a sidekick.
Lady Mitford was the mother of Zaid al Hilli’s employer/ golf club owner. Max Mosley is Lady Mitford’s son of second marriage with NAZI Oswald Mosley.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1177954/Max-Mosleys-son-Alexander-died-desk-heroin-overdose.html
This looks all like “i kill yours while you kill mine” family war inside the UK and MI5/6 in relation to Palestine/Zionism/Neonazi and middle east affaires. Like the 2 CIAs there are probably two MI6. One is zionist, the other one is fascist. And then they kill or discredit their leaders and their key people one versus each other. At least it looks like that.
Oh yes, forgot to mention that as another side kick: Lord Jonathan Moyne, Burhill golf club owner, had also been a member of the notorious “monday club” discussed here many months ago.
Here is more to understand the previously linked connections.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley
I dont hope that this research is boring. For me it isnt because we should better understand where exactly “meyer lansky” …. oops – my fault – of course i meant Zaid al Hilli – is employed as an “accountant”.
The below link shows about why i believe that there is a political/confessional war within MI5/SIS too.
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=72665
The zionists could have killed nazi max Mosley easily. However, they decided to humiliate him and let him finally experience the tragic deaths of his children alive. What had happened to him since then is probably worse than death.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-553408/Under-fathers-shadow-The-truth-disgraced-Max-Mosley-son-Nazi-sympathiser-Oswald.html
Bluebird
22 Jul, 2013 – 9:06 am I am in awe of your research skills and reasoning. I don’t necessarily always agree with everything but always find the background information interesting and informing. Like you I have no problem with discursive and tangential stuff on the grounds that “the time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted”. I have endeavoured to take the same approach that apparently has irrationally angered some.
I have been convinced from almost the beginning by both the evidence and by a process of elimination – what I termed “a lack of it” – that only state involvement is an adequate explanation for what happened, and that the subsequent misinformation, silence and other responses proves conclusively that those in the know don’t want to let the rest of us in on their secret. It appears to me that there are posters fired with the same objective.
Whatever you do, keep exploring the “ones less travelled by” and hopefully it will “make all the difference”.
Tim
Of course this could all be just coincidence. However, the employment of Zaid we had not investigated so far.
However, his employment in a golf club owned by a so called “anti semitic” (called so by jews) family, a family with strong historic ties to British NAZIs and fascists and even to Hitler, is pretty significant. A family whose most prominent member was assassinated by two cyclists ( sic !!) working for a jewish terror organisation. A family whose most prominent living member in our times was humiliated and discredited and destroyed by a MI5 plot publushed by zionist press. A family whose lordship was able to move hundreds of swedish crowns from a swedish trust and who forgot where they are now. A golf club management that provides lots of charities for army personel and for “help for heroes”.
I was always wondering about why an iraqi made it into a noble british golf club management? It’s like a Thai making it as a manager in a swiss mountain hut. Strange coincidence, i know.
Could there be old family ties or political/ideological ties?
If so, then Saddam would not be far off such ties. They were ideologically connected with nationalism, fascism and hate for zionism. And exactly there comes christian mollier and the french metal workers union once again into my mindset …
Just logic …. or just pure coincidence.
Already too much Irish here. O’Reilly, Guinness, Moyne and now that:
The commander of the US forces responsible for the capture of Hussein is Army Col. James Hickey whose parents hail from County Sligo/Ireland. Hickey’s mother owns The Irish Way gift store in Naperville, IL
Ecclestone and Max Mosley in praise for Saddam Hussein:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/07/05/formula-one-racing-chief-praises-hitler-saddam-hussein/
http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2011/05/european-court-rules-against-mosely.html
I know I flagged this up last year but only you have the POWER bb to decide if any relationship exists! Very common Irish name I know.
“In 1978, the RUC arrested five men from the South Armagh area. Three of them – Gerard Fearon, 21, Thomas Morgan, 18, and Daniel O’Rourke, 33 -were charged with Nairac’s murder. Michael McCoy, 20, was charged with kidnapping, and Owen Rocks, 22, was accused of withholding information. Fearon and Morgan were convicted of Nairac’s murder. O’Rourke was acquitted but found guilty of manslaughter and jailed for ten years. McCoy was jailed for five years and Rocks for two. Morgan died in a road accident in 1987, a year after his release. O’Rourke became a prominent Sinn Féin member in Drumintee.”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/12/irel-d23.html
Tim
As a side note to your question you might like to read these links. Above read “the hidden hand” . I like the final paragraphs regarding SIS teams fighting and apparently killing SIS teams. That confirms my first theory. Below read the name of another suspect in that murder.
However, i doubt that the IRA stuff is related other that SIS fights a brutal inside war of ideologies. This is not al hilli related.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/32-years-on-man-accused-of-capt-nairacs-murder-1818791.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1020695/Heroic-undercover-soldier-Robert-Nairac-savagely-executed-IRA-Will-yesterday-arrest-solve-mystery-missing-body.html
Bb