The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Ferret
Thanks for the testimonial too!
@Dopey
Well spotted re the lack of mail, that jumped out at me too.
What the…???
And what about the mail for his company (SHTech Ltd) too – that’s registered at the same address, isn’t it?
@Kempe
29 Sep, 2012 – 5:22 pm
Space deris.
If the fallen satellite highlighted by Drew, the one that fell on Peru in 2007; and this more recent satallite falling to earth are both reported as not satellites at all but meteors; if they were indeed space debris, then why put about the meteor cover story?
Sorry if I´m a little behind in the thread but 5:22pm is where i am up to at the moment.
@Ferret
I saw your post appologising for something; don´t sweat it, it was really nothing. If my wrtiting is good feel free to repeat it and repeat it again if needs be.
Ferret…
I don’t want to sound like Anders…but Kathy (or is it Katie !) is just going round and round and round !
And… did Mrs AH (AS) get her dentistry degree from Baghdad?
I thought she was Iranian originally?
Yep she was Iranian. I doubt she was at “Baghdad Uni” studying.
This is the exam she must have been doing
http://www.gdc-uk.org/Dentalprofessionals/ORE/Pages/default.aspx
“And what about the mail for his company (SHTech Ltd) too – that’s registered at the same address, isn’t it?”
Nope. It was. But it’s at the Acc’s address.
Hence the press turning up there on day one.
Must have been a shocker for ole Stedman …and his son !
@Kathy
Thanks – that clears it up.
And, you’re welcome!
🙂
@James
Not sure what you’re getting at… as above, I think the AMS 1234 companies are covers for defence contractors and companies so they can disguise their activities.
Found it…
Bluebird
26 Sep, 2012 – 9:00 am
@ferret
AMS looks to me like a letterbox company. AMS means “aeronautic maintanance systems” according to a few of the other AMS companies.
And now “Access Management Solutions”???
WTF?
@Roland
Thanks!
🙂
And good point re the space debris… I was thinking, if it were commonplace, surely we’d see it all the time?
The fact that we don’t, and then suddenly it’s a comet (and as you say same MO in Peru) is highly indicative.
@ Ferret
Here is the link to the report about Iqbal graduating in Baghdad:-
http://www.itv.com/news/2012-09-13/alps-family-friend-wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time/
Zaid Alabdi, a London-based dentist, believes his friends were never the intended victims. He believes the French cyclist, 40-year-old Sylvan Mollier, who was also killed could have been the focus of the gunman.
Zaid, who was at dental school in Baghdad with Iqbal al-Hilli, believes the family were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Mr Alabdi says he is the al-Hillis’ closest friend here in the UK.
Have you seen the books at AMS sixty four twelvety !
Why bother. Why bother putting your name to it.
Lets face it, it’s hardly secret if it’s at Co House.
On your theory, I bet there are more “samll” intel co’s called “T.Bryan & Sons (Glasgow) Ltd” than there are called “Armed Men Shooting” !
Just a thought.
@James
OK that explains the lack of business post then, but not the lack of bills etc as we all noticed.
Kathy’s not going round in circles, you (plural) just got your wires crossed and entered a tailspin together, with every post pushing he rudder still further the wrong way!
Once the foot came off the rudder and pressed it the other way… hey presto, out of tailspin.
🙂
Comprende?
Kathy also explained how come Mrs AH (AS) was born in Iran but studied Dentistry in Baghdad.
Now I will look up the two questions you asked about, and also reply more fully to Ben…
Maybe they paid all their bills by direct debit?
Another weird “coincidence”.
That Access Management Systems Lt company – its website (via cyclex website) is listed
When you look at that website however this company pops up instead
http://www.amsl.co.uk/
This company seems to have no connection at all to the AMS ones however, but it does have cars for sale on it…and it creates software too.
Its responsible for sofware called CALLAS. A link to follow about Callas.
Ferret…
It may explain the lack of biz post…but other post ?
And what about her post ?
And since you’re talking rudders…my grandfather had a tail spin once !
His Messerschmitt crashed into The Channel !
Ho Ho Ho !
An old joke…but still makes me laugh…if you get to say it at a bar !
Check this out
http://www.wan-ifra.org/articles/2012/07/12/callas-software-launches-6th-generation-of-pdftoolbox
…..in particular the mention about CALLAS and satellites.
@James
Re your qns
10.06
Where did Saad meet his wife ?
Dubai DXB
On holiday ? How did he date her ? Skype ?
We don’t know but presumably he was there in person. My first thought was that it was an arranged introduction? He did leave it late to get married, so… maybe their families introduced them? Not out of the question.
Why don’t the accounts from 2001 to 2006 add up for a hotshot contractor?
That’s what we’re trying to work out. The innocent explanation is that he was independently wealthy (via Daddy) and didn’t need to work, which is quite likely IMO, and/or that part of his income was PAYE. Alternatively he may have been on a scam or earning outside the UK and paying tax on it here but that wouldn’t show on any company records, just his personal tax return. Phew!
What date did he join (not start) AMS1087 ? (everyone thinks its his !)?
I did think he started it but apparently not. When?
Why did the CIA (allegedly) veto the closure of the consulate in Dubai ?
No idea… and why is this relevant?
There is more
I’m listening…
10.09
Why didn’t the postman know him ?
He did, said he’d been there 3, 4 years. Mrs AH he’d never seen though.
Why did he change the locks of the house “he lived in” ?
Already discussed, various possibilities. I changed mine the other month (year?) as we found out the locks were shit and got proper security ones. For example. Why do you think he did? Tenants moving out? It’s possible.
How do you date a dentist when you’re only on 20K ? (and she’s in Dubai) ??
As above. Might be sus, might not… but go on…
@ kathy
30 Sep, 2012 – 12:24 am
They’d still get sent statements though.
@Dopey
Strange indeed…
False alert about “satellites”, though, in this context they are defined as:
“A satellite is basically a regular server that will process files, the dispatcher on the other hand is a server that doesn’t process files itself but instead receives files in its job folders and sends them to the satellites to have them processed.”
So it’s a jargon computer term for a server…
Kempe
Are you still around? as I would like you to tell me more on dismissive “space debris” theory.
@ ferret
aah right. That’ll teach me not to read it thoroughly. Apologies.
Dopey…
Just looked. It’s near Blackpool (I did think…hmmm runway) but it’s def cars…and “computers” it’s doing “not so well”. A “Michael charles Eve” et family.
@ Dopey
True.
@Ben
Here’s what I would make of Gary Aked being reported as Saad Al Hilli’s “best friend”, and them both being engineers…
(Aside: Interesting that Zaid Alabdi is described as their closest friend which is much more believable IMO, but no pics in the papers of them together, whereas we have pics of SAH and GA arm in arm in front of a removals truck to show that they were best buddies… it smells a bit, IMO.)
Personally, I suspect they were a lot more than just “good friends”, and I don’t mean in the romantic sense!
Just speculation, of course…
As “Senior Engineer” in ATK, it’s easy to imagine Gary Aked would have had access to an awful lot of technical information. And would also have serious pull as to which contractors got employed, and which not…
I think (but cannot yet prove) that SAH worked for GA at ATK. On statellites. Possibly ViviSat???
Was this what you were asking?
Something else that just came to mind; there was mention of cloud penetrating radar. Would it be too far a stretch of the imagination to suggest that the whole nefarious events in Annacy could have been monitored in real time?
@ roland
yep I wondered the same.
… and now, after all that…
Can we return to the subject of the D Notice?
I have a puzzlement…
We have turned up something of his links to the Security Services (thanks to Anders and Bluebird).
We have turned up something on his links to Iran (his wife is Iranian, and he visited Qom on ‘Pilgrimage’ last year).
We have speculated wildly about Mossad’s involvement.
But… what are his links to “nuclear weapons research”?
Have we turned anything up? I’m thinking RAL/Hafnium/SILEX but nothing really jumps out…
Anyone got any ideas?
Today (06.09.2012) at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.
No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
Ferret…
Thanks for the Q and A’s.
To make it logical in my mind (*()&(*&$& !!!) I take it that he was in Dubaishire. He met and dated her there and he worked there.
Why the U.S. Consulate relevant. Well if you are in Iran and want to go to the U.S to visit relatives, you can’t go to Tehran to get a visa. You have to go to Dubai.
The U.S. use it as an “intelligence” centre (or is that center !).
It is pretty well known that.
And as Dubaishire has many big “ex pat” communities (inc Iranian) my guess is, he knew quite a few there (there are pro and anti Iranian ex pats)
I have asked some friends there if they have any “feels” about what is going on in those communities….and am awaiting their (if any) feedback, but that’s my “best guess” looking at “what I can see” of this.
Oh…forgot
And this is the leap…. I think that his help has been needed again.
Mr Mollier was not there by accident (I always felt he was !) but was there to “explain”.
As in Saad, Mollier and “an Iranian”.
Where it’s gone wrong, is that the Iranian had come along (not because he wanted to) with some “friends”. And what we see…is their message back !
@ Ferret
You’re suggestion of an “arranged marriage” struck a chord with me as I had also thought of that especially as he was not so young.