Statement of Irmeli Krans 391


This statement was written by Irmeli Krans, a Swedish police officer, on 20 August 2010 and amended on 26 August 2010. It purports to be the record of an interview with Sofia Wilen, but Sofia Wilen refused to sign the statement and has not done so to this day.

It is nevertheless this unsigned statement which the British High Court stated contains an allegation which would, if true, amount to rape. Some may recall that fact being triumphantly and aggressively read out to me on Newsnight by Gavin Esler, with no mention that the statement referred to had never been signed by the “complainant”.

The Swedish prosecutor, Marianne Ny, had told the British High Court that even though the statement was unsigned, it was valid as evidence under Swedish law (it would not be under British) because the interview was conducted before two witnesses, Irmeli Krans and Anna Ardin.

Contrary to police protocol in virtually every developed country, including Sweden, the interrogation although in a police station had neither been audio recorded nor video recorded. Irmeli Krans has claimed she could not find a working dictaphone – in a major Stockholm police station that does of course have video-taping facilities.

Irmeli Krans and Anna Ardin had known each other for at least two years before they were present together at the police interview of Sofia Wilen. They had been on the same ballot paper as candidates for the same political party in a council election. They were facebook friends and had exchanged messages on a relevant subject, the abuse of power by white men:

Irmeli Krans to Anna Ardin April 2009:

Hello! Thanks for the compliment. And like you say, white men must always defend the right to use abusive words. Then they of course deny that these very words are part of a system that keeps their group at the top of the social ladder.

I will analyse Anna Ardin’s behaviour in detail in a further post in a few days. According to Ardim, Sofia Wilen contacted her concerned that unprotected sex with Assange may have given her a sexually transmitted disease. Rather than take her to a medical facility, Ardin took Wilen to a police station, under the pretext that the police might be able to compel Assange to take an STD test – which even in Sweden must be an extraordinary proposition.

Ardin did not take Wilen to the nearest police station. She took her right across Stockholm to the police station where Ardin’s friend, lesbian feminist campaigner Irmeli Krans, was serving. They arrived at 2pm and rather than see another officer, they waited two hours until Krans came on duty. Then Ardin was present throughtout Krans’ interview of Wilen – which appears to have very much informed Ardin’s presentation of her own subsequent allegation against Assange. Ardin’s “assault” by Assange took place several days before the Wilen “assault”, but was not reported by Ardin until two days after she had sat through Wilen’s interview with her friend Krans.

And always remember, Wilen refused to sign the resulting statement, given here, as a fair account of what occurred.

Statement of Irmeli Krans

Following is Krans’ interrogation of Sofia Wilén 20 August 2010, subsequently modified by Krans 26 August 2010.

Background

Sofia says she saw an interview a few weeks ago on TV with Julian Assange who is known to be behind the WikiLeaks publication of US military documents from Afghanistan. Sofia thought he was interesting, courageous, and admirable. For the next two weeks she watched the news carefully, she read a lot of articles, and saw interviews. One evening when she sat at home and Googled the name Julian Assange she discovered he was invited to Sweden to hold a lecture arranged by the social democrat brotherhood movement. She posted a message to the brotherhood press secretary Anna Ardin whose contact details she found on their website and asked if he would be coming to Sweden and if she in such case could attend his lecture. She offered to help out with practical details in return. Anna Ardin replied that she’d forward her message to those in charge.

But Sofia got no further reply and suddenly one day she saw an ad with the time and place for the lecture. The lecture was to be held in ‘LO-borgen’ at Norra Bantorget Saturday 14 August. She rang those in charge on Friday and asked if it was OK to attend. She was told she was one of the first to apply and it’d be OK. She took the day off from work and went to LO-borgen on Saturday. She saw a woman who she presumed was Anna Ardin standing outside LO-borgen and went up to her and introduced herself. Anna told Sofia that she was on the list so she was welcome to attend. At the same time the lecturer himself, Julian Assange, approached with a man in his 30s. She got the impression the man was Julian’s press secretary or something similar. Julian looked at Sofia as if he was amused. She got the feeling he thought she didn’t belong there in her shocking pink cashmere jumper amongst all the other gray journalists.

The Lecture

She sat at the far right front when she entered the venue, the lecturer would stand all the way to the left. The room seemed full of journalists. A half hour before the lecture was to begin, Anna approached Sofia and asked if she could help buy a cable for Julian’s computer. They needed a cable and Sofia had offered to help out. Sofia went up to Julian to ask what type of cable he needed. He explained what he needed and then wrote it down on a small piece of paper. She took the paper and placed it immediately in her pocket. Julian looked contemptibly at her and said ‘you didn’t even look at the note’. She told him she didn’t need to as he’d already explained what type of cable he needed.

She took a cab to the ‘Webhallen’ boutique on Sveavägen but they were closed. The time was 10:30 and the store would open first at 11:00. But that’s also when the lecture was scheduled to begin, so Sofia started feeling stressed. The cabbie drove her instead to the Haymarket where she purchaed two types of cable for safety’s sake. She got back in time, she had the right type of cable, but she wasn’t thanked for her help by Julian. The lecture went well.

The Lunch

There were many journalists who wanted to interview Julian after the lecture. Sofia stayed around because she too wanted to speak with him. She asked Anna if this was possible and Anna said Julian would stand outside the entrance to LO-borgen to be accessible to the public in case anyone wanted to ask him questions. Sofia went out and sat in the shade and waited for the interviews to be over. There were more interviews outside. Sofia approached LO-borgen again and overheard that the brotherhood people were going to treat Julian to lunch. Sofia asked if she could come along too, after all she’d helped them with the cable. She was invited and went together with Anna, Julian and his entourage, and two members of the brotherhood to a restaurant on Drottninggatan across from the Central Bathhouse. She ended up next to Julian and started talking with him. He looked at her now and again during the lunch. On one occasion when he put cheese on his knäckebröd she asked him if it tasted good and then he reached over with his sandwich and fed her with it. Later during lunch he said he needed a charger for his laptop. She said she could get one for him, after all she’d got the cable for him earlier. He put his arm around her and said ‘yes you gave me the cable’. Sofia thought this was flattering for it was obvious he was now flirting with her.

The others left after lunch, leaving only Sofia, Julian, and Julian’s companion. They went off together to buy an electric cable for Julian’s computer. ‘Kjell & Co’ didn’t have the product, so they went on to Webhallen but it was closed again. They walked back on Sveavägen towards the Haymarket and talked about what they’d do next. Julian’s companion asked him if he wanted to come along and help move furniture for his parents and Sofia offered Julian a visit at the natural history museum where she worked. It was decided Julian would accompany Sofia to the museum and his companion left them. Julian and Sofia went into the Haymarket subway station where she purchased a blue access card good for the day as he didn’t have the monthly commuter card and no money either as he said. They took the train towards Mörby Centrum and stepped off at the university stop. A man in the subway recognised Julian and told him how much he admired him.

The Natural History Museum

On the way from the university subway station Julian stopped to pet a few dogs, which Sofia thought was charming. In the museum they went to the staff room where Julian sat down and starting surfing the net, he was looking for tweets about himself. They sat there waiting for a film that was to be shown at Cosmonova at 18:00.

They were let into the cinema by Sofia’s colleague and Julian held Sofia’s hand. In the darkness of the cinema he started kissing her. A few latecomers arrived and sat behind them and so they moved to a row at the back. Julian continued kissing her, touched her breasts under her jumper, undid her bra, unbuttoned her pants, caressed her buttocks, and sucked her nipples. He muttered about the armrest being in the way. She was sitting in his lap when the lights went on and he tried to put her bra back on. She thought it embarrassing to sit there in view of her colleagues who she knew could have seen it all.

They went out through the inner courtyard and she went to the toilet. When she came out, he was lying on his back on a picnic table resting, he said he was very tired. He was supposed to be at a crayfish party at 20:00 and wanted to sleep 20 minutes before leaving. They lay down together in the grass next to each other and he had his arm around her. He fell asleep and she woke him twenty minutes later. Then they promenaded over lawns, passed cows and Canadian geese, he held her hand, it was wonderful in all possible ways and he told her ‘you’re very attractive to me’. He’d also told her in the cinema she had pretty breasts. She asked him if they’d meet again. He said of course they would, they’d meet after the crayfish party.

She accompanied him to the Zinkensdamm subway station where he caught a cab back to Anna Ardin’s where the party was to take place. He gave her a hug and said he didn’t want to part from her and encouraged her to charge her cellphone. She went home to Enköping, arriving at home at 23:00. She had a voice message waiting from Julian from 22:55 when she’d recharged her phone, telling her to ring him when her phone was working again. She rang back at 23:15, realising he was still at the party. She’d developed a stomach cramp from a sandwich she’d eaten on the way home and told him she wanted to go to bed. He insinuated it wasn’t about stomach cramps as much as a feeling of guilt.

On Monday

She rang Julian twice on Sunday but his phone was turned off. She told her colleagues at work on Monday what had happened at the weekend. They told her Julian felt dumped and therefore hadn’t rung back so that the ball was in her court. She rang him and he answered. She asked if they should do something together. He said he’d be at a meeting which could take a long time up until 20:30 but he could ring her back later. He also asked about her stomach cramps. He insinuated she’d lied about her cramps and he used the third person to tell her. She promised to wait for him so after she finished work at 19:00 she went to Kungshallarna and had sushi. Afterwards she strolled about town and ended up in the old town where she rang him back at 21:00 when he still hadn’t got back to her, asking what was going on. He said he was in a meeting in Hornsgatan and he wanted her to come there. She got the address and went there. She couldn’t find the address when she arrived, rang Julian, and spoke with a man who spoke Swedish who explained she was to get in through a side entrance. She stood there and waited for him when he came out together with a another man, they said goodbye to one another and looked very happy.

Julian and Sofia walked up Hornsgatan towards Slussen and from there to the old town. They sat by the water at Munkbroleden and he commented on girls who sat there as ‘lonely and abandoned’ and who ‘probably need saving’. They lay down and starting making out, heavily. Amongst other things he put his hands under her jumper and when they left the area she noticed people were looking at them. They decided to go home to her place. They went into the subway where his card was now invalid and she got him through by swiping her own card twice. They took the train to Enköping from the central station, she paid for the tickets, SEK 107 (~$10) each. He claimed he didn’t want to use his credit card, he didn’t want to be traced. They sat in the direction the train would move all the way back in the car. Julian connected his computer and started reading about himself on Twitter on the computer and on the phone. He devoted more attention to the computer than he did to her. She’d suggested they take in at a hotel but he said he wanted to see ‘girls in their natural habitat’.

To Enköping

It was dark when they got off the train and they passed old industry buildings where he went off to pee. She also took a pee. When they arrived at her flat she went in before him into the bedroom to clean up a bit before he saw it. They took off their shoes and the relationship between them didn’t feel warm anymore. The passion and excitement had disappeared. They made out in the bedroom but she wanted to brush her teeth. It was midnight, pitch black outside, and they brushed their teeth together – it felt banal and boring.

When they want back in the bedroom Julian stood in front of Sofia and grabbed her hips and pushed her demonstratively down on the bed, as if he were a real man. He took off his clothes and they had foreplay on the bed. They were naked and he rubbed his penis against her nether regions without penetrating her but he got closer and closer to her slit. She squeezed her legs together because she didn’t want sex with him without protection. They carried on for hours and Julian couldn’t get a full erection. Julian had no interest in using a condom.

Suddenly Julian said he was going to go to sleep. She felt rejected and shocked. It came so suddenly, they’d had a really long foreplay and then nothing. She asked what was wrong, she didn’t understand. He pulled the blanket over himself, turned away from her, and fell asleep. She went out and got her fleece blanket because she was cold. She lay awake a long time wondering what had happened and exchanged SMS messages with her friends. He lay beside her snoring. She must have fallen asleep for later she woke up and they had sex. She’d earlier got the condoms and put them on the floor by the bed. He reluctantly agreed to use a condom even if he muttered something about preferring her to latex. He no longer had an erection problem. At one point when he mounted her from behind, she turned to look at him and smiled and he asked her why she was smiling, what she had to smile about. She didn’t like the tone in his voice.

They fell asleep and when they woke up they could have had sex again, she’s not really sure. He ordered her to get water and orange juice. She didn’t like being ordered in her own home but thought ‘whatever’ and got the water and juice anyway. He wanted her to go out and buy more breakfast. She didn’t want to leave him alone in the flat, she didn’t know him well enough, but she did it anyway. When she left the flat he lay naked in her bed and was working with his phones. Before she left she said ‘be good’. He replied ‘don’t worry, I’m always bad’. When she returned she served him oatmeal, milk, and juice. She’d already eaten before he woke up and spoken with a friend on the phone.

The Assault

They sat on the bed and talked and he took off her clothes again. They had sex again and she discovered he’d put the condom only over the head of his penis but she let it be. They fell asleep and she woke by feeling him penetrate her. She immediately asked ‘are you wearing anything’ and he answered ‘you’. She told him ‘you better not have HIV’ and he replied ‘of course not’. She felt it was too late. He was already inside her and she let him continue. She couldn’t be bothered telling him again. She’d been nagging about condoms all night long. She’s never had unprotected sex. He said he wanted to come inside her, he didn’t say when he’d done it but he did it. There was a lot running out of her afterwards.

She told him what happens if she gets pregnant. He replied that Sweden was a good country for raising children. She told him jokingly that if she got pregnant then he’d have to pay her student loans. On the train to Enköping he’d told her he’d slept in Anna Ardin’s bed after the crayfish party. She asked if he’d had sex with Anna but he said Anna liked girls, she was lesbian. But now she knows he did the same thing with Anna. She asked him how many times he’d had sex but he said he hadn’t counted. He also said he’d had a HIV test three months earlier and he’d had sex with a girl afterwards and that girl had also taken a HIV test and wasn’t infected. She said sarcastic things to him in a joking tone. She thinks she got the idea of taking the drama out of what had happened, he in turn didn’t seem to care. When he found out how big her student loan was he said if he paid her so much money she’d have to give birth to the baby. They joked that they’d name the baby Afghanistan. He also said that he should always carry abortion pills that actually were sugar pills.

His phone rang and he had a meeting with Aftonbladet on Tuesday at noon. She explained to him that he’d not make the meeting on time and he pushed his entire schedule forward an hour. Then they rode her bicycle to the train station. She paid his ticket to Stockholm. Before they parted he told her to keep her phone on. She asked if he’d ring her and he said he would.

Afterwards

She rode her bicycle home, showered, and washed her bed sheets. Because she hadn’t made it to work she called in sick and stayed home the whole day. She wanted to clean up and wash everything. There was semen on the bed sheets, she thought it was disgusting. She went to the chemist’s and bought a ‘morning after’ pill.

When she talked with her friends afterwards she understood she was the victim of a crime. She went into Danderyd hospital and went from there to the Söder hospital. There she was examined and they even took samples with a so-called ‘rape kit’.

Forensic Certificate

Sofia gives her permission for obtaining a forensic certificate.

Claimant Counsel

Sofia desires a claimant counsel she will identify later.

Sundry

Julian says his name is Julian Paul Assange and was born 31 December 1971.

Interrogator’s Comments

Sofia and I were notified during the interrogation that Julian Assange had been arrested in absentia. Sofia had difficulty concentrating after that news, whereby I made the judgement it was best to terminate the interrogation. But Sofia had time anyway to explain that Assange was angry with her. I didn’t have time to get any further details about why he was angry with her or how this manifested itself. And we didn’t have time to get into what else happened afterwards. The interrogation was neither read back to Sofia nor reviewed for approval by her but Sofia was told she had the opportunity

to do this later.


391 thoughts on “Statement of Irmeli Krans

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  • TFS

    Craig,

    Isn’t there some evidence to suggest that this evidence was further amended under pressure from superior officers?

  • Villager

    Jon, fair point, and you shouldn’t have taken me literally. Its a psychological thing. Its not exactly the most important thing a rape victim would want to proffer about her rapist in a police statement…..”“He said he wanted to come inside her, he didn’t say when he’d done it but he did it.”

  • Michael

    Jon,

    yes, when writing my comment, I wanted to be very careful in NOT implicitly accusing Craig of homophobia.

    I still think it’s rather dangerous to just slip these little words in, because that’s how these negative connotations start. In some years, people might be saying “XY is a lesbian, so I’m sure she hates men – remember that lesbian who accused Assange?”. If you replaced “lesbian” by “Jewish” or “redhaired” or “disabled” or “black” in this sentence, you would immediately notice how awkward it would sound.

    So all I’m saying is: even if oneself is absolutely not a homophobe, and I don’t doubt Craig will in due time be confirming that he has nothing against homosexuals at all etc., it’s easy but also dangerous to include unnecessary descriptions like this.

    Also, there are a couple of non-sequiturs here anyway:

    1) no, being involved in LGBT causes doesn’t make you a feminist. In fact, I (as a straight man) have several gay friends who tend to be rather more misogynist than some of my straight friends (and some gay friends who are less), so I’m fairly sure there’s no correlation either way. If a homosexual woman is feminist, I’m fairly sure it’s because she is a woman, not becuase she is homosexual.

    2) I hope one day people will stop believing that being feminist makes you into a “man-hater”. It may make you more interested in sexual violence, more defensive of victims of sexual violence (the majority of whom are still female), but I find it rather annoying how people tend to link a feminist opinion with “Oh I’m sure she always believes the accuser and never the accused”. I find it even more annoying when people would start saying “Oh, she’s a lesbian (feminist or not), so I’m sure she always believes the accuser and never the accused” – the next step being “Oh, women police officers should never investigate rape cases, they’ll always believe the victim rather than the accused” — well, I’m sure male police officers wouldn’t be less biased the other way round, and unfortunately we don’t have that many gender-neutral police officers…

  • John Goss

    @CE, if you read the files you’ll see what the impact on her professionalism was. Although yesterday, if I recall, you were too busy to do the background reading.

    There are a few for you to read at the foot of this site.

    http://rixstep.com/1/20110131,00.shtml

    Krans aggression towards her superior is classic when the case was originally dropped.

  • Michael

    Villager,

    er, no. The sexual orientation of a police officer is NOT important in this context. If it were, it would be discrimination. Not sure what that has to do with growing up, but I’m always flattered when people still think I’m young…

    Other than that: No clue why you want to know where I live. I’ve lived in a few different states in the last couple of years, but the state in which I’m living right now, which is also the state whose citizenship I hold, is a state in continental Europe, which has not been implicated in the entire Assange story yet. So, it’s neither US, nor Ecuador, nor UK, nor Sweden. Satisfied?

  • Michael

    John Goss:
    “Krans aggression towards her superior is classic when the case was originally dropped.”

    Really sorry if I’m misreading you, but are you making the point that being Lesbian is the reason why she is particularly “aggression towards superiors”? Really? Do you want to reflect on that once more?

  • Anon

    Now the Indymedia post about the murdered Iraqi scientist and his family including mention of the D notice has been pulled (“This posting has been hidden because it breaches the Indymedia UK (IMC UK) Editorial Guidelines”). Link no longer works. This topic could do with a post of its own.

    The last comment said:

    Israelis on scene

    06.09.2012 15:12
    General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) has been flown from Paris to Chambery Airport according to Press TV. Chambrey is only a short drive from the site of the killing. He was 20 minutes on the tarmac before he left with three extra passengers. The helicopter flew on to Geneva.

    What is going on?

  • CE

    Hi John G,

    Thanks but I’ve already read the piece you’ve linked to. I was too busy to read a link from zoologist the other day, but I read it later and replied.

    My thoughts are pretty much the same as Michael @4:25. Discuss her conduct and professionalism if you wish, but the constant references to her sexuality are irrelevant and do come across as a bit of a dog whistle.

  • Jon

    Hi Michael

    Not much time to discuss further, but briefly – I hear the debunking of “a feminist is not a man-hater” quite a bit, and it usually prompts a wry smile. My interlocutor tends to assume that since I am a man, I am not only anti-feminist in my outlook but ignorant of gender studies as well. In fact, I am proud to be a feminist, and am well aware that feminism is not the same as misandry.

    That said, I think it would be a mistake to suggest that all kinds of feminism are the same, or that no feminists were misandrist. The comments attributed to one or the other of the women suggest a powerful anti-male politics, which are relevant, regardless of what label they apply to their views*.

    (* I’d suggest if the reports of misandry are true, they could not reasonably be called feminists, since feminists have to be anti-sexist first and foremost. But perhaps this strays somewhat off topic).

  • Villager

    Michael, yes thats another thing we humans do, is get flattered at the blink-of-an-eye. To be blunt, your confession about which side of the median your age is at, only reassures my plea of “grow up”.

    I can see you’re struggling to “get it”, including my point about where you live. For the same reasons you’re not getting why Krans’s sexual orientation is important. I shan’t go into it any further as i don’t wish to be distracted, suffice it to repeat, EVERYTHING is important here when we are encircled with mystery. The investigators need to be investigated.

  • Michael

    John Goss,

    looked at the website you linked now. Can’t find anything there which has anything to do with sexual orientation, not even by a stretch. Seriously puzzled – what are you referring to?

  • CE

    I think being dismissive of someone because of their sexuality, or if support LBGT issues, is a trait best left to The Daily Mail and not something the progressive left should indulge in.

  • Michael

    Villager,

    looks like you got this wrong then. I’m definitely on the younger side of any median you could think of. But I’m sure you’ll now find a reason why it matters whether I’m 20, 40, 60 or 80?

    Mhm, the “shan’t go into it”, “everything is important” phrase is always particularly persuasive. What would you say if the police started asking you random questions just because “everything is important and unfortunately, Sir, we can’t explain why we need to ask you specific questions about the sexual practices of you and your consenting adult partner in your bedroom”?

    BTW: I’m not an investigator as you may have reckoned. So your question about my location has nothing to do with “investigating the investigators” but purely with curiosity, or perhaps because you have certain national stereotypes in mind and would then say “Ah, you’re from country X, that explains everything”?

  • Jon

    @Villager,

    People are quite within their rights to talk to whoever they wish. As I’ve said before, we may as well assume good faith of newcomers, unless there are good reasons not to. We should not be afraid of discussing what we think with people who disagree, and you may even change someone’s mind.

  • AAMVN

    I think it is of some relevence to know that IK is a lesbian feminist campaigner – but not to extrapolate too far from that point. Mr Murray goes on to provide evidence of IK’s strong political views towards men. It is obviously a fair point.

    It doesn’t mean we can write IK off as some kind of ‘loony lesbian man hater’ but it is worth knowing.

    I suspect AA went to IK (and waited the extra 2 hours to see her) because AA knew IK would give this case a very sympathetic hearing, while as an intelligent woman she must have known many Swedish police would not be as sympathetic.

  • Michael

    Jon,

    ditto here (train in 15 minutes), but I hear you and I’m glad about the points you make. I second that – I am also male, consider myself feminist and think I would be perfectly able to do Gender Studies (I work in a rather different field though). And yes, true feminists who believe in “anti-sexism” (not sure whether I just made up this word) couldn’t really be misandrist. And also true, I’m sure there are some self-styled feminists who are misandrist and some who are not – just as with the self-styled non-feminists, and those who don’t give themselves any labels whatsoever 😉 But then, that’s my entire point.

  • Fritz

    @ CE : and you’re very welcome here as far as I’m concerned as well! It’s just that I think you’re a provocateur and that other participants should deal with you by not attempting to discuss or refute your arguments. I know you will agree that freedom of opinion should apply to all. Happy now?

  • Villager

    Now, on the issue of Krans’s sexuality, let me try to hit this one on the head.

    I don’t just want to know if Krans is a lesbian. I also want to know if she’s been in bed with Ardin at any time. (In addition to being on the same ballot and what-not.) EVERYTHING needs to be investigated.

    It is Sweden, in this context, that is behaving like a Banana Republic, not Ecuador.

  • CC

    Discussion of the individuals involved is an unnecessary diversion.

    There is to our knowledge no signed, endorsed or recorded statement from SW containing a complaint of rape. The Police filed the complaint against SWs wishes.

    That’s really all there needs to be said.

  • Mary

    Lawyer: US Prosecutors Preparing Case Against Assange
    No Charges Yet, But They Could Be Made Within 24 Hours
    by Jason Ditz, September 05, 2012
    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/09/05/lawyer-us-prosecutors-preparing-case-against-assange/

    JULIAN Assange’s lawyer Baltazar Garzon [yesterday] reiterated concerns that his client could be traded by Sweden to the United States if he is extradited to the Scandinavian nation for questioning, saying that US prosecutors have already prepared a case against him.

    Though Assange has repeatedly said he would have no trouble going to Sweden, he wants assurances that he will not be immediately transferred to the US, where officials have called him a terrorist and members of Congress have demanded his execution.

    Sweden has openly refused to promise not to send him on to the US if it gets ahold of Assange, while US officials have only said that there are no current charges against him. While Garzon conceded that point, he says that preparations have progressed to the point that charges could be laid on Assange within a matter of 24 hours when the US gets the sense it could acquire him.

    A trial against Assange would be a difficult one, because despite harsh rhetoric it isn’t apparent that he broke any laws in passing on newsworthy documents to the media. The real question, and the one which sparked the entire asylum row with Britain and Ecuador, is whether Assange would get a trial at all in the US, or whether he would simply be detained on the president’s say-so.

  • John Goss

    Thanks Mary for that link. Every reasonable thinking person knows that is what it is all about: extradition. William Hague won’t give Julian Assange the assurance that he would not be extradited from Sweden because he has already agreed to that very thing with his US masters at Ditchley. The only assurance Hague will make is that Assange would not be executed. No, he’d be banged away indefinitely, like Bradley Manning, while the torturers, killers of innocent people, and those military personnel who piss on corpses, walk free. What kind of a world is it?

  • Jives

    This looks very much like Ardin was using the police most improperly.

    Not as an objective neutral investigative force but more as a personal lever of influence.

    And that is very wrong indeed.

  • Villager

    Goran Rudling’s comments pasted below:

    My comments on Sofia Wiléns story
    Sofia said once in the interview that she was “shocked”. That was when Julian decided to terminate the “foreplay” and turn away and go to sleep. It is evident that Sofia wanted to have sex with Julian. And that she was disappointed when that didn’t happen.

    After the so called “assault” Sofia is does not say she is shocked or upset. Instead, she jokes that she might have become pregnant. She jokes with Julian on the name of the possible child, “Afghanistan”.

    At the time of the “assault” Sofia was not aware that she was a victim of “abuse”. That is possibly why she did not resist or oppose the sexual acts. It is therefore unreasonable to believe that she had sex against her expressed will. It is only when Sophia talked to her friends afterwards that she believed she was the victim of a sexcrime. Who these friends are police did not investigate .

    During the “assault” Sofia was not aware that she was the victim of an abuse or assault? She offered no resistance but had earlier expressed that a condom to be used. She had earlier in the night or morning had two, possibly three times, consensual acts of sex with Julian. How Julian would then understand that she did not want to have sex with him? Since Julian received no signal that Sofia did not want to have sex with him, he cannot possibly have had intent to commit a crime, mens rea, therefore he cannot be convicted.

    If you haven’t read his very balanced and detailed blog, check it out here:
    http://samtycke.nu/eng/2011/07/sex-lies-no-videotape-and-more-lies-false-accusations-in-the-assange-case/

    He was also a witness at the Feb extradition hearing on behalf of Assange. His witness statement is at the bottom of:

    http://justice4assange.com/Investigation.html

    You can read more on Krans’s involvement on the same page

  • Villager

    Jives, that is a very astute, and important moral, observation.
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    Re SW herself, it is impossible to know exactly what kinds of pressure she is surrounded with. Because this is a criminal case, not civil, the police can run with the case anyway. Plus there are now, and since September 2010, some very powerful people around. She was a vulnerable, young hourly-worker at the NH Museum. Her counsel, CB they say would’ve been a cabinet minister had his party won the elections. Maybe it is impracticable for her to change her counsel. Maybe she is so severely disturbed by all this that she is in a depression and can’t act rationally. This is life and its a field full of possibilities. Plus, she has to live in that little society now having become notorious. Its very sad and one has some measure of empathy with her and hope she can find her way out of this.

    Turning to Assange, he made one big blunder that i’m sure he’s kicking himself for and for not having taken his Swede-journalist-best-friend’s advice. Drop what you’re doing (on that fateful Friday morning) and for God’s sake go and get that HIV test done. He stood on his ego and he’s paying the price. Out of range.

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