Would you like to be shot with a red gun or blue gun, sir? That is the limit of the choice being offered the UK electorate as New Labour announces it will keep the Coalition public spending plans and the Coalition benefit cuts. Given it will also throw away £100 billion on Trident, and New Labour initiated the rampant privatisation of the Health Service, PFI, Tuition Fees etc., my point could not have been more eloquently proven that the UK electorate is no longer offered any meaningful choice by the neo-con parties.
It also of course demolishes completely the Gordon Brown argument that Scots need to stay in the Union to put New Labour in to power. Who carries out Tory policies is not the question; and why a nation should surrender its freedom just to make sure Ed Balls has a ministerial car and salary while he implements Tory policies, is not a question which to me has an obvious answer.
The only meaningful political choice any part of the UK population will have in the foreseeable future is the Scottish Independence Referendum. If Scots do not take their chance, all they have ahead is economic decline and the collapse of public services. The choice could not be more stark.
KingofWelshNoir
9 Jun, 2013 – 3:17 pm
LOL again. Another brilliant rejoinder; as good as Habba’s repartee.
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Dreolin, thanks for playing catalyst and pointing out to Habbakuk.
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Habba, no you didn’t, ‘ness’ is a scottish word isn’t it — thank you for bringing us all back on topic. As for the FUG, fuggedaboutit, Guano walks away with the Gong with his long arms and hands down — he undermines himself with great excellence….without any help required from you!
Greenwald was on This Week this morning along with Feinstein and Rogers;
Greenwald was outstanding. He says, or suggests there may be more than one whistleblower, and he definitely HA MORE.
Feinstein invoked the two successes including Headly. Of course, that was in connection with Mumbai. She didn’t mention that.
I think Mumbai was not a successful effort to stop terrorism.
BTW; Feinstein and Rogers think the WB or WB’s should be prosecuted…suprise !!!
‘HAS MORE”
http://my.firedoglake.com/frank33/2010/07/06/yes-conspiracy-theorists-mumbai-2611-was-a-false-flag-attack-led-by-us-spy-david-headley/
@Fred 9 Jun, 2013 – 1:40 pm
Google it yourself!
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@Fred
“I’ve nothing against a referendum, I just think the electorate should be informed. Should Scotland become independent those who now get elected to Westminster will no doubt stand for election at Holyrood”.
Well, Fred, why not offer your services to one of the groups now campaigning (Better Together?) I’m sure your time would be better spent ‘informing the electorate’ by that means than trying to convince bloggers on this site of your well-meaning desire to inform them – especially when that desire to ‘inform’ consistently slanders Scots in general and Scottish Nationalists in particular by accusing them of entertaining feelings of anti-English hatred and bigotry.
Or, better still, why not try to do something about the Westminster government. The whole problem starts with the lack of democratic accountability at Westminster. Why don’t you start by doing something about our FPTP electoral system … then the system of whipping. Eliminate those little problems and electors in no matter which region, principality or kingdom of these isles should enjoy some increase in democratic rights.
That should go some way towards redressing the balance of what you term ‘more democracy’ for Scots citizens.
David Headley…double-agent?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhV2sUiC6jo
It certainly does seem that the ongoing corrupt rottenness at the heart of the Westminster system, in politics, media, finance and the security industry and legal system is incapable of being reformed from within.
Mary exposes this with her every post, especially those which quote the BBC’s increasingly embarrassing efforts in protecting our criminal elites.
No wonder she’s subject to ongoing and vitriolic attack. Ignore it Mary. It just means you’re doing a good job.
These Westminster bosses are well hunkered down, determined to protect their privileges, violently if necessary, no matter what the cost to everyone else. This is endgame, and they know it.
The only thing left is for those who can, to escape the stinking rotting mess. Reform is no longer possible.
Many individuals are doing this by emmigration. Others withdraw from public life, to quiet contemplation.
The Scots can end their nightmare with simply a vote.
Scots independence will have the additional benefit of forcing the English to question their own allegiance to Westminster’s elites.
Everyone wins.
Freedom is good.
Life is sweet.
@Indigo
Why don’t you stop telling me what to do.
Is it not possible for a Nationalist to just discuss the subject without passing judgements on the person discussing it? Scotland isn’t a dictatorship yet you know.
“The Scots can end their nightmare with simply a vote.”
Except the Scottish government is at least as corrupt as the Westminster one.
Villager If you think I am going to comment on the content of another’s post you are wrong. I am not a political party and do not have ‘supporters’. You are stirring it.
Did you ever comment on some of the inappropriate unpleasantness that I have been subjected to over the last seven months which included a vocabulary such as ‘vagina’, ‘lesbian’, etc and someone was accused of ‘sucking at my teat’ no less! Quite vile.
There was a complete absence of these petty, vulgar ad hominem type remarks prior to November 2012 and exchanges were mostly good humoured and constructive.
I do not intend to reply to any of the troll’s diversionary nonsense suffice to say that I have been out this afternoon. I hope that is OK with him/her.
Villager
Heroblockbuster:”Undermining Guano”
Have you ever heard anything so childish as this as a mission in life?
Fred says:
“Except the Scottish government is at least as corrupt as the Westminster one.”
How do you work that out, Fred?
I’m sure there’s petty corruption in Scottish politcs as there is in all politics.
But, anything on the scale and enormity of corruption by the elites of Westminster and their acolytes, eh Fred?
You may have noticed, Fred, that the mass of the people are paying for the crimes of these Westminster elites, by loss of civil liberties and austerity.
Anything like that happening in Scotland, Fred?
RIP Iain Banks. A great writer and a sad loss. He had a horrible cancer which must have given him great pain.
http://news.sky.com/story/1101388/iain-banks-award-winning-scottish-author-dies
A very moving testament from him.
http://www.iain-banks.net/2013/04/03/a-personal-statement-from-iain-banks/
It was decent of him to acknowledge the work of the NHS even though it was too late for him to be saved. No self pity either.
‘Lastly, I’d like to add that from my GP onwards, the professionalism of the medics involved – and the speed with which the resources of the NHS in Scotland have been deployed – has been exemplary, and the standard of care deeply impressive. We’re all just sorry the outcome hasn’t been more cheerful.’
@ Guano :
“Heroblockbuster:”Undermining Guano”
Have you ever heard anything so childish as this as a mission in life?”
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I should be interested if you could refer me to a post which claims that this is my “mission in life”.
If this should prove too difficult, I offer you the alternative of referring to a post of mine from which someone of sound mental faculties might reasonably infer that this is my “mission in life”.
If unable to do that as well, I await your unreserved apology and an assurance that you will repeat this totally unwarranted slur.
Fred is to understand that to have a point of disagreement with the regulars is to be labeled a fascist, zionist, corporate shilll, etcetera, etcetera. Poor Fred will now understand that to deviate from the Orthodoxy is to call into question everything else he has said. His support for the Palestinians is now deemed fake and the work of a zionist disinfo agent!
Habby asks:
“I should be interested if you could refer me to a post which claims that this is my “mission in life”.”
Surely your mission in life in terms of posting here is determined by looking at your posts as a whole?
How would one individual post of yours indicate something as broad as a mission?
@ Flaming June :
“Did you ever comment on some of the inappropriate unpleasantness that I have been subjected to over the last seven months which included a vocabulary such as ‘vagina’, ‘lesbian’, etc and someone was accused of ‘sucking at my teat’ no less! Quite vile.”
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In the normal course of events I wouldn’t bother to reply to this kind of post, but I feel impelled to reply on this occasion lest less assiduous readers of this blog get taken in by your somewhat misleading claims (the regulars will know in which spirit to approach your accusations).
1/. The reference to a “vagina” was, if I remember correctly, made in the context of a Julian Assange thread and had something to do the sexual escapades in which he was involved. The comment – again, if I remember correctly – was a general one and something along the lines of “where would one expect sperm to be deposited if not in a vagina”, followed by a reference to the sad fate of Onan. It did not refer to you. But please correct me if I’m wrong and refer to the post in question.
2/. As far as the reference to “lesbian” is concerned, I believe you may be thinking of a post in which I countered one of your frequent accusations against some public figure or another (an accusation which ‘worked’ by assocation, a frequently-used device of yours)by wondering if, by the same logic, you might not be accused of being a lesbian through the fact that you engaged in water gymnastics with a number of other elderly ladies. But again, I may be mistaken and stand happy to be corrected (please refer to the exact post and its context when doing so).
3/. “Sucking at the teat” : I believe that this might have been a metaphor I used to illustrate the peculiar symbiosis which at one point appeared to exist between you and our friend Doug Scorgie. Perhaps it’s true that I should have used the analogy of a couple of comedians, but I reluctantly judged that all those pairs which came to mind – Laurel and Hardy, Flanagan and Allen, the two Ronnies – were of far too high a standard and quality to serve as a suitable analogy to you and Dougie.
Hope this clarifies!
@ Herbie :
“How would one individual post of yours indicate something as broad as a mission?”
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You must read comments more attentively, for this appears to be exactly what Guano was claiming. Therefore you must put your question to him/her and not to me.
“Anything like that happening in Scotland, Fred?”
Yes, we have very much the same civil liberties and austerity as anyone else in Britain.
It’s just a shame that RBS decided to acquire ABN or we wouldn’t be suffering nearly so much.
I wonder who put them up to that.
It’s important to remember that nationalism and unionism pull in different directions.
Fred hates nationalism and supports unionism.
Unionism is what produced the EU for example and its adherents will be supporters of world government in some form.
So whatever the falures in nationalism at least we know for certain that unionism is not a solution to our problems.
Unionism does no more than cement the rule of elites within a much broader sphere.
Nothing like bickering and ankle-biting on a Sunday. When did this come to a head? Has it come to a head?
Herbie, at 17h03 today, included the following in a quite interesting post :
“The only thing left is for those who can, to escape the stinking rotting mess. Reform is no longer possible.
Many individuals are doing this by emmigration. Others withdraw from public life, to quiet contemplation.”
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I should like to put one question and make one comment, as follows :
1/. Where would Herbie recommend emigrating to?
2/. Quiet contemplation – does this include or exclude frequent and noisy contributions to blogs such as this one?
The assault on civil liberties comes from ACPO, the policing and security industry and their puppets in Westminster.
These aren’t institutional Scottish crimes.
Anything else, Fred?
Habby asks where she might go to save herself from Westminster’s criminal elites:
Well. I’d go somewhere where there’s an upwave towards civilization, an emergent civilization if you like.
Other than that, where processes allow, I’d be encouraging people to remake their institutions.
That isn’t possible in the London sphere, because elites there are too well bedded in, with a very efficient propaganda machine, using more and more corrupt practices to retain privilege no matter what damage they do to the country aa a whole.
I think the Scots have an opportunity to escape this fate and remake themselves, and perhaps rediscover their radicalism.
Habby
I thought you asked Guano for an example of a post of yours which illuminated your life’s mission, in terms of posting here.
Is this incorrect?
“Unionism is what produced the EU for example and its adherents will be supporters of world government in some form.”
In 1914 we went to war with Germany and over 30 million people were killed, then in 1939 we did it again and killed over 60 million.
We don’t have wars with Germany any more, no conscription, no Blitz, no rationing.
Don’t be afraid of Unions, being partners is nothing to be afraid of.
Yeha freds right, and if it wasent for thea mericans we.d all be speaking deutcsh
go fred! (please do)
This looks like another episode in the Fred and habbaduk show. Yet another look into the bizarre and wacky world of the cubicle-dwelling keyboard-toting disinformation warriors.
Could you two not just lean over the partition between you and cut out the middle-man (Craig’s blog)
I move that we move to the inner forum (nudge nudge wink wink)
Yes, Fred. It’s great that we don’t have wars with Germany anymore. Thank God, for that. They seemed to be getting better at it the more goes they got.
Anyway. I wonder how Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain and even the French feel about their hunky dory union now.
Seems these Germans are even better at peace.