Work for the UN

by craig on June 17, 2013 10:25 am in Uncategorized

GCHQ and the NSA between them employ tens of thousands of people.  I am bemused by the shock at the “revelation” they have been spying.  What on Earth did journalists think that spies do all day? That includes electronics spies.

Since Katherine Gun revealed that we spy on other delegations – and the secretariat – within the UN building, it is hardly a shock that we spy on other governments at summits in the UK.  For once, the government cannot pretend that the object is to save us all from terrorism, which is the usual catch all excuse.  Nor in the real world is any of the G20 nations a military threat to the UK.  The real truth of the matter is that our spies – GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 – are themselves a large and highly influential interest block within the state.  Lots of people make a great deal of money out of the security state, and this kind of activity is actually simply an excuse for taking money from taxpayers – which is from everyone who has ever bought anything – and giving that money to the “security industry”.

I do not view spying on other governments as quite as despicable as spying on ordinary citizens, which is an unspeakable betrayal of the purpose of government.  Spying on other governments is a game they all play to extort money each to their own security elites.  But I will say that spying on the South African government seems pretty low.  Why?

Interception of diplomatic communications is plainly a gross breach of the Vienna Conventions, even if the forms of communication have changed since they were drafted.  I have never studied the particulars of international law as they relate to spying, but it seems to me an area that in the modern world needs regulation.  There must be room here for the UN to be involved in preparing a Convention to outlaw the interception of international communications, with recourse to the International Court of Justice for those victim of it.

There is more work for the UN on Syria.  We should all be grateful that Russia is holding out against the very dubious western claims that the  Syrian government has deployed chemical weapons.  But while Obama can declare all the red lines he wishes, they do not give any country a right to take action on Syrian soil without UN authority.  That needs to be restated, strongly.  There is no basis at all for the continued and massive Israeli attacks on Syria – they are absolutely illegal.  Israeli strikes have definitely killed more people than the alleged deaths from chemical weapons.  Can someone explain to me why that is not a red line?

The UN Secretary General should be speaking out, and the UN Security Council should be meeting, to discuss the Israeli attacks on Syria.  The system of international law has broken down irretrievably.

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  1. “The UN Secretary General should be speaking out, and the UN Security Council should be meeting, to discuss the Israeli attacks on Syria. The system of international law has broken down irretrievably”.

    Yes, they should and it has but …

    The UN has become powerless … if it was ever anything else … and Israel is a rogue state backed up politically, economically and militarily by the biggest, most powerful rogue state in the world.

  2. One mans red line is another mans blood.

    Good post again Craig.

    Maybe divorce emboldens Putin?

    Hope the heel is er…healing.

  3. Having been born in the ’50s and growing up until I was thirty-odd with the Berlin wall which they killed people for trying to get over, when the Stalinist excesses were still well within living memory and the Hungarian and Czechoslovak invasions more recent than that, I never thought that I would live to see the day when I would say “Thank God for Russia”.

  4. Russia’s radio and TV broadcasts are also filling gaps in “Western” MSM.

  5. Somebody had to pull all the threads together (and no i definitely do not mean the comments degenerating to a heel). Brilliant holistic view Craig pulling together various aspects and bringing cohesive focus to the role of the UN, international law and Israel’s liberties. The UN should also investigate the free flow of money from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf member states to the extremists, but of course that’s not about to happen.

  6. Your spell checker seems geographically challenged, Craig (paragraph 3).

  7. What do these thousands of employees of the state system do all day?

    They cannot be asking how can we be improving the quality of life for all people; considering environmental effects and sustainability.

    As with most, they are
    truly considering what delhi sandwich to have – and what healthy drink option to obtain.

    I can only see change with some major artistic, cultural, or economic invention, that stays uncompromised.

    Joy rates highly.
    Hope your getting better Craig, ease of the gas and your foot should improve.

    Hope maestro is well.

  8. ‘I do not view spying on other governments as quite as despicable as spying on ordinary citizens…’

    Maybe not, but is there not something deeply unpleasant in the shameless dishonesty here? – setting up bugged email cafes for G20 delegates? Imagine inviting a guest to your home and offering him the use of a laptop during his stay, and installing key-logger software to capture his log-on details and read his email. I suspect there is hardly a person in the country who would behave in such a despicable fashion to a guest, but it seems to be routine behaviour among the people who rule the country.

  9. With or without external interference, Syria has sufficient internal conflict now to ensure that any post-war settlement will require an aggressive enforcement of peace under a brutal regime. What can the UN do? Partition the country like we saw in Korea? Not many countries split or reunite without bloodshed. I don’t think Syrians will quickly forget their grudges so we might be looking at a couple of decades of misery before things improve for their people.

  10. “The strict surveillance that states once maintained over the activities of the citizenry have been shifted to other centers of power technically able (although not always legally) to find out to whom we have written, what we have bought, what trips we have taken, what our encyclopedic interests are, even our sexual preferences. The big problem facing a citizen’s private life is not hackers, which are no more frequent than the highwaymen who beset travelling merchants, but cookies and all those other technical marvels that make it possible to collect information about every one of us.

    If in Orwell’s novel Big Brother was an alegory for Stalin, the ‘little father’, the modern Big Brother watching us has no face and is not an individual, it is the global economy in its entirety. Like Foucault’s Power, it is not a recognisable entity but the combination of a series of power centers that accept the game, backing one another up reciprocally. The member of one center of power who spies on others making purchases in the supermarket will be spied on in turn when he pays his hotel bill with a credit card. When Power no longer has a face, it becomes invincible. Or at least difficult to control.

    Who wants their privacy defended? Those who have secret busines dealings, those who wish their personal correspondence to remain personal, those working on research that they do not yet wish to make public. We know all this perfectly well, but how many people call for this right? It seems to me that one of the great tragedies of mass society, of the press, television, and Internet, is the voluntary renunciation of privacy. The extreme expression of this renunciation is, at its pathalogical limit, exhibitionism. It strikes me as paradoxical that someone has to struggle for the defense of privacy in a society of exhibitionists.

    The fact is that the authorities who watch over our privacy need to defend not only those who wish to be defended but also those who no longer know how to defend themselves. It is precisely the behaviour of exhibitionists that tell us how much the assault on privacy has become -more than a crime- a social cancer. First and foremost, we should educate children to save them from the corrupting influence of their parents.

    But it’s a vicious circle. The assault on privacy accustoms everyone to the disappearance of privacy. Little by little we become exhibitionists, having learned that nothing can be kept confidential anymore and that no behaviour is considered scandalous. Those who are attacking our privacy, seeing that the victims themselves consent, will no longer stop at any violation.

    We must learn to work out, spread, and reward a new sensibility towards reserve, to educate people about reserve for themselves and toward others. Regarding respect for our own privacy, I’d like to quote the last phrase from the brief note left by Cesare Pavese before he committed suicide: “Don’t gossip too much.”

    Umberto Eco from the ‘The Loss of Privacy’ conference speech, Venice, Sept 2000

  11. It’s a bit optimistic to assume that the UN isn’t part of the problem in itself. Its agenda seems skewed, if not to say downright corrupt and if intelligence agencies adon’t respect their own governments, of what purpose would there be to suppose that anyone would respect the UN. It would just take agencies out of all administration, an arms length fuck you squad.

  12. Shin Bet operatives were/still are at Johannesburg airport.

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=60365

  13. The system of international law has broken down irretrievably.

    This has been so for the last decade. The dying throws of the US empire has torn the mask of respectability and pretentious of adherence to laws and conventions ring hollow.

    The question arising: will the world recover from such a lawlessness, or will we spiral into an Hobbesian abyss?

    So far as the securofucks are concerned, these peeping toms, are out to only satiate their filthy voyeuristic penchants, at the expense of we the tax payers. Because any head of state, or foreign delegate damn fine well will know they are being spied on, and will act accordingly. Thus spying on these delegates is a purposeful activity akin to manufacture of chocolate fire-guards. However when there is free money and lots of it, who gives a damn?

    Although those sick malingerers taking up hospital beds and dying, ought not be getting a free ride from the state, and if they can so much as walk to the toilet unaided, they can damn fine well work too! Take away their sickness benefits, I say (cries the Tory/neo-labour/liberal tossers selected to attend the public trough called; the parliament); this is the way to save money!

  14. karel (conspiracy a day keeps idiocy away)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 1:27 pm

    richard,

    i share your amazement. If someone told me in nineteeneighties that I will watch RT one day then I would have considered him to be an imbecile. But it is all said by the prophetic Alan Price Everyone is going through the changes noone knows what is going on…

    more on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRRsKlSS3sc

  15. Must say I don’t understand most of this – e.g.. getting upset about GCHQ data-mining summits, not objecting to The Guardian’s censoring the more important bits, not being upset that the newspaper doesn’t see fit to post more important revelations when Snowden needs NOW all the exposure he can get, posters finally seeing some good in Russia as if it had never done any good while it was part of the USSr, etc.

    Would think that The Guardian would allow the documents to speak for themselves, be eager to post ones about whistleblowers who have been destroyed for leaking secrets about them, and that people in the West had some idea of who got rid of the Axis powers, and who saved us from nuclear war when the Iran-Contra plotters attempted to end the Cold War with a non-nuclear one a the expense Olof Palme and a few dozen others.

  16. I do not approve at all of allowing the mainstream media to filter leaks.

  17. Still waiting to see if Snowden has any revelations, and the media posts them about the unsolved or most inadequately covered up assassinations of whistleblowers Olof Palme, Dr. David Kelly, Anna Lindh, GMP Chief Constable Mike Todd, former Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, Stephen Hilder, Alexandr Litvinenko, Gareth Williams, Gudrun Loftus, Professor Steve Rawlings, etc., ad nauseam.

  18. Flaming June

    17 Jun, 2013 - 2:32 pm

    Haven’t heard from Craig’s old FCO mucker lately, or perhaps we have under a pseudonym.

    He’s currently obsessing about Russia on his Twitter.

    https://twitter.com/CharlesCrawford

  19. Well I’m a bit surprised ‘cos I thought in the Vauxhall Westminster areas for example that spies lolled about all day in zipped up largish RED HOLDALLS. Ah well you live and learn. Wonder if they’re investigating unsightly Pimlico washing lines? They seem to be causing consternation in some circles.

  20. Flaming June

    17 Jun, 2013 - 2:37 pm

    And on his Torygraph blog(oir) Europe.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/charlescrawford/

    How does he get time to eat what with all this tweeting and blogging?

    8 references to Craig Murray on his own blog(oir) and one to me!
    http://charlescrawford.biz/critics.php

  21. Oh, I want to get on Crawford’s listing too.

    How about this:

    Charles Crawford can mouth off about Russia from rural Oxfordshire until the ghosts of Stephen Hilder and Dr.David Kelly reappear, but it won’t change the fact that we would all be nuclear cinders if Vladimir Putin had not successfully managed KCB assets from Dresden when the non-nuclear conclusion of the Cold War was planned in the wake of Palme’s assassination in Stockholm.

  22. technicolour

    17 Jun, 2013 - 3:00 pm

    Tdg: great post, thanks.

    Of course, Russian intelligence spies on everyone too.

    Craig: agreed, the UN needs to raise and deal with this.

  23. Trowbridge H Ford, you left out Bernt Carlsson from your list of assassinated whistle-blowers. He was probably the main target of the Lockerbie bombing of Pan Am flight 103, because he was just about to give independence to Namibia from De Beers and the blood diamond exploitation of Africa.

    Unfortunately all spying and secret service activity is no longer funded solely by the taxpayer in the UK. There would be less of it if it was. We have followed the US and Israel in that the secret services, MI5 and MI6 set up front companies, often global, which are, and have to be, profit-making to be believable. The line is blurred but there must be a good book somewhere that tries to show, and separate, where MI5 and MI6 funding is involved, not just in espionage, but in the establishment of power-elites across the industrial and government spectrum, a bit like Andrew Kreig’s forthcoming book about CIA and other involvement (Karl Rove for example) in US political elites. Its called Presidential Puppetry and I wish he would hurry up and finish it.

    In the late eighteenth century and early nineteenth century visitors from all over Europe had the Soho Manufactory at Birmingham on their list of places of interest, very often to steal, if they could, the latest ideas. Matthew Boulton was aware of this but the difference was that in those days the demarcation lines between industrial espionage and government espionage were more clearly defined. Today it is a nightmare.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 3:40 pm

    Flaming June writes, à propos of Charles Crawford :

    “How does he get time to eat what with all this tweeting and blogging?”
    ___________

    A question I’ve sometimes asked myself about you, my dear

  25. Acknowledging the “system of international law has broken down irretrievably” one paragraph after calling for more international law is odd.

    Next, you’ll be recognising all politicains as corruptible whilst declaring your support for the next one.

  26. Habbabkuk @ 3:40 p.m. I hope you are not going to restart your insulting tirade having been the very last of those on this blog to recognise the identity of a certain individual comment-maker. It is out of order. Stay on topic. This blog is not for insulting individuals but for expressing topical views. If you bear bear that in mind life could be so so good.

  27. Thanks, John Goss, for the addition as it illustrates what you are saying.

    The Lockerbie tragedy also got rid of a CIA team which was throwing light on its most covert arms for drugs for money scheme which Oliver North’s Iran-Contra thugs were running, especially the Syrian al-Manucher (sp?) connection, and some researchers claim that Carlsson was involved in finding out who killed his close political friend, Olof Palme, an Anglo-American plot of the deepest dimensions.

    If you go back there, you could also talk about German politician Uwe Barschel and Swedish arms overseer Admiral Frederic Algernon.

    Our governments just run plots of an increasingly sophisticated nature.

  28. “but it seems to me an area that in the modern world needs regulation.” – Well, yeah, but, just as they get away with spying because it’s sectet, so they can (and indeed do) break existing law/regulation now and will break any regulation in the future. Any ‘regularator’ can easily be bought off or blackmailed or bribed or even better installed as a puppet in the first place.

    Better (perhaps) is a more powerful wikileaks where the spies have their stuff tufed out into the open.

    There used to be a poster at iraqwar.ru called ‘Spies and traitors will be shot’. It was an interesting nick.

    P.S. the UN is pathetic.

  29. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 4:10 pm

    OT-Snowden on GG right now answering questions live…..I just can’t see replies.

  30. “It’s a bit optimistic to assume that the UN isn’t part of the problem in itself.” – Indeed.!

  31. Sorry, John, I was referring to Syrian Monzer al-Kassar.

    Got him mixed up with another Iran-Contra scum bag

  32. Over 93,000 dead in Syria so far but the UN should concentrate on Israel’s incursions…

  33. Phil

    International law is a wonderful thing. The alternative, which is to what we are now degenerating, is that the Americans and Israelis kill anyone they want and seize anything they want, because they can.

  34. Looks like the Guardian interview with Snowdem won’t get very far as he side stepped the question of the US government destroying whistleblowers, preferring to state that Washington had destroyed his chances of getting a fair trial, only to conclude GG’s question by stating his disclourses will get out even if it kills him.

    My question to him is: How does he know that previous whistleblowers have suffered this fate, and who does he have in mind and why?

  35. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    Craig; Is there some reason for your lack of interest in Snowden? I know you had one post on it, but then….

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 5:05 pm

    @ John Goss :

    “…having been the very last of those on this blog to recognise the identity of a certain individual comment-maker.”
    _______

    You’ve lost me. Can you expand, please?

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 5:17 pm

    @ John Goss :

    “Stay on topic. This blog is not for insulting individuals but for expressing topical views”

    ___________

    Leaving aside the apparent contradiction between the injunction to “stay on topic” (ie, the topic of this thread) and the assertion that this blog (including this thread, presumably)is for “expressing topical views” (ie, any topical views on anything), could you tell me why you did not issue the same reproof to Flaming June, who posted an off-topic, irrelevant and implicitly insulting comment about a former UK ambassador called Charles Crawford?

    I hope you’re not applying different standards to different people? If you’d like to prove that you are not, I invite you to explain how Flaming June’s comment was relevant to the theme of this thread.

    Thank you.

  38. ‘The real truth of the matter is that our spies – GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 – are themselves a large and highly influential interest block within the state.’ I agree.

    But I think they go much, much further. A fire walled elite is involved in massive illegal economic activity much of which is put down to criminal gangs or Russian mafia etc.

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 5:40 pm

    @ Ruth

    re your para 1 – I would agree that they are an interest block (as are any groups of professionals or corporations) but I’m less convinced of their high influence.

    re your para 2 – a serious and disturbing allegation. Would you like to be more specific and also point to what you consider to be concrete examples?

  40. On Sunday Agent Cameron spoke to British journalists saying, “The Syrian opposition have committed to a democratic, pluralistic Syria that will respect minorities, including Christians.”

    As I expected when Cameron abruptly aborted ‘WebCameron’ – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU0QtvWKgx0 – a ‘family show’ fashioned to bring Prime minister Cameron nearer/closer to the British people he represents/embodies, yet heavily criticized for a complete lack of commitment to queries on hegemony, torture, extraordinary rendition and state control, referring instead to issue worthless scripted political statements.

    This man and his cohorts clearly lack empathy and thus zero consideration for the plight of those peoples stricken in the post-invasion aftermaths by the rampant Western powers hell bent on coveting world resources; Libya and Iraq are clearly blood-soaked examples.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/g8-summit-begins-vladimir-putin-accuses-david-cameron-of-betraying-humanitarian-values-by-supporting-syrian-rebels-8661048.html

  41. It turns out being destroyed by the government is what happened to Thomas Drake, William Binney, and John Kirakou who was even tried for leaking secrets, and sentenced to 30 months in prison.

    Still, according to Snowden, the country is somehow worth dying for.

    Count me out!

  42. Flaming June

    17 Jun, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    I do not tweet nor do I have a blog for the troll’s information.

    Charles Crawford is a recurring subject on this blog over the years but the troll, having joined as late as last November, probably does not know that.

    Amazing how he makes what he considers something off topic even more off topic by giving it emphasis by repetition.

  43. “Habbakuk” is a perfect illustration of the enormous amounts of spare time and arrogance that the Establishment’s security services have. The appointment of this rather dim but dogged character to bully one of our commentators ought to give “June” some satisfaction: her frequent, eloquent and wise interventions clearly rattle the tax scoffing scoundrels whom Habbakuk so admires.

    The troll himself should, however, be sent to Coventry. Do not feed him, tempting though it is to find fault with his nonsense. And spitting at him doesn’t work, as the screen on my computer, unfortunately, shows.

  44. International spying can’t be regulated.

    And that’s true a fortiori, if, as you say, the system of international law has broken down irretrievably.

    Which is not meant to imply that I know when you think the said system was working hunkydorily. Nobody thinks it was doing so when Italy invaded Abyssinia, or during WW2. During the Korean war maybe? Or the Malayan emergency? Kenya? Algeria? Vietnam? The Falklands? Has it ever done anything close to ‘working’ where Zionist crimes have been concerned, or crimes committed by officers of the US state?

    Even just keeping to the topic of electronic spying, let’s recall that one of the functions of the very fabric of the UK microwave network, since the early 1960s, has been to allow the NSA to get on with its job. That was after a short post-Suez blip followed the period after the UKUSA treaty, which itself was long kept secret.

    CIA and US military capability have been built similarly firmly into the British polity (to take an important example, the head of the CIA’s London station attends the weekly meetings of the Joint Intelligence Committee), as has Zionist capability into Britain’s parliamentary democracy, education system, media, and culture.

    But I share your view of those idiot hacks who are so shocked that NSA and GCHQ do their jobs.

  45. The Edward Snowden case sounds more and more like i said – i.e., he was caught by surprise by an FBI honeytrap – what entrapped defense contractor Ben Bishop in Hawaii – and when he learned that he was to pay a big price which only got back at the independently-minded Bureau, he threatened to go all out to expose the free-wheeling spooks, once he made his way to HK.

    His Guardian interview clearly showed that he is willing to settle for a process which bothered leakers like William Binney, Thomas Drake, and even John Kirakou, provided Washington drops the claims that he has contacted China’s Ministry of State Security, and stops connecting him to the Bishop case.

    If not, he is willing to take new steps as both a spy and whistleblower.

    Conisider the case essentially closed.

  46. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 6:32 pm

    Trowbridge; very interesting idea wrt motivation. any links for your connectivity of thought?

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 6:54 pm

    @ Chris2 :

    ““Habbakuk” is a perfect illustration of the enormous amounts of spare time and arrogance that the Establishment’s security services have. The appointment of this rather dim but dogged character to bully one of our commentators ought to give “June” some satisfaction: her frequent, eloquent and wise interventions clearly rattle the tax scoffing scoundrels whom Habbakuk so admires.”
    ____________

    I was tempted to let this piece of nonsense stand unanswered and will in fact do so, except only to point out the apparent contradiction between
    (1) claiming that I work for the security services (“the appointment”)
    and
    (2) suggesting that I’m on the outside looking in (“the scoundrels whom Habbabkuk so admires”).

    I take the opportunity of agreeing with Chris2 when he characterizes Mary’s interventions as frequent. Eloquent – well, sometimes (except it’s usually quotations); wise – rarely.

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good! (greetings to all my fans)

  48. Thanks, Ben, you’re generally quite constructive.

    Well, I would certainly read about the on-going turf war between the Bureau and the CIA – what led directly to the 9/11 fiasco, and Director Robert Mueller in the midst of this crisis saying it could have bee prevented by proper surveillance.

    The biggest reason why it didn’t happened is because of the Palme assassination fiasco, and the belated spying it ultimately uncovered, first that by CIA’s Rick Ames, and then that by Robert Hanssen just before Mueller took over and 9/11 occurred.

    I am only able to offer my own work because all other researchers are either asleep or corrupted.

    See my double article in Issue Eight of Eye Spy magazine, my articles on the spying and belated capture of Ames and Hanssen on codshit.blogspot.com, and the continuing wars on it, Veterans Today, and Flying Cuttlefish Picayune.

    Then read that article about the Ben Bishop and Snowden cases by LAT’s reporter Maria I LaGonga.

    Then go through the Guardian interview with Snowden.

    And if I think of anything else, I shall add it.

  49. Edward Snowden’s revelations come as no surprise having read L.Fletcher Prouty’s book The Secret Team, written back in 1972.

  50. What is worse is that these so-called ‘intelligence’ agencies are not only spying – they also make use of the information collected.
    Maybe one day we shall all hear the more horrifying story about how these intercepted communications can be used and manipulated.

  51. ‘I do not view spying on other governments as quite as despicable as spying on ordinary citizens, which is an unspeakable betrayal of the purpose of government. Spying on other governments is a game they all play to extort money each to their own security elites.’

    I do regard it as despicable. I think it is absolutely abhorrent. Call me naive if you must, but the key to providing a free and open society — a ‘liberal society’, if you will — is frank and open disclosure about the inner workings of government; and that includes the machinations of the security services. I understand that certain aspects of government must be kept secret: nuclear launch codes, the location of military facilities, important financial assets, etc. But I think, if we want to live in a less paranoid planet, if we want to live in a society of equals, then we need to take the first step in renouncing the overuse of surveillance against citizens and foreign governments. Let other bankrupt states play the game if they wish. Let them tap into the emails, phone records, and encrypted messages of state leaders. Let them engage in high risk espionage and low intensity operations. We, however, should have none of it. Liberty should never be traded for security unless it is absolutely necessary (the definition of which should remain for the public to decide). For the simple truth is that states, and the intelligence agencies attached to them, generally try to safeguard an immoral and sadistically twisted elite. They thrive in the dark, as you well know.

  52. ‘The system of international law has broken down irretrievably.’

    The system of international law was never entirely fit for purpose. Multiple violations have taken place since its ad hoc construction over the years, and millions of lives have lost under the sustained gaze of the legal community. This points to the fact that international law is nothing more than a tool in the arsenal of imperial power. When it secures are interests, we follow it. When it does not, we quibble about its wording or infer it proceeds from a corrupted source. If that fails, we violate it root and branch and then create amendments in our interest. The law cannot stop war, cannot sustain the system. Only a well educated, compassionate, and critically minded public can do that.

  53. “Only a well educated, compassionate, and critically minded public can do that.”

    Gawain, now thats about the wisest thing thats been said on this blog for a long time and thank you for raising the level of the conversation here.

    Educated in my view, as Einstein put it, all you know once you’ve forgotten everything you’ve learned at school. Then one can be critially-minded, as in creative and fresh. Real compassion can then flow from such a state of mind.

    Agree with the rest of your comments too and we need to start with the reality of where we are, as you say, “The system of international law was never entirely fit for purpose.”

  54. “Flaming June
    17 Jun, 2013 – 5:46 pm
    I do not tweet nor do I have a blog for the troll’s information.

    Charles Crawford is a recurring subject on this blog over the years but the troll, having joined as late as last November, probably does not know that.

    Amazing how he makes what he considers something off topic even more off topic by giving it emphasis by repetition.”

    I thought Flaming June only arrived this month!?

    Anyway, no matter how long you have patronised this blog, it doesn’t absolve your responsibility to provide context. Or, stay on topic at least for a few hours, as a matter of courtesy to others.

  55. Craig 17 Jun, 2013 – 4:36 pm
    “International law is a wonderful thing.”

    Tell that to a palestinian with a straight face. Or a Sudanese, Iraqi…etc, etc, etc.

    International law is just more law – by the few for the few. Power is never restrained by law. Empire writes, changes and ignores the law. It is an illusion of some justice to keep good people on board.

  56. “Edward Snowden Q&A: NSA whistleblower answers your questions”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower

  57. Phil, eloquent observation. You point out quite rightly the difficulty/impracticality of accessing ‘international justice’. Thanks for helping put one’s finger on it. A total illusion indeed.

  58. Flaming June

    17 Jun, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    Thanks Chris 2. I changed from my real name to attempt an escape from the troll’s unpleasantness. Failed. Anyway this blog is not about me,as I have said before, and the troll’s attention has been unwanted throughout.

    As June has not been very ‘flaming’, at least where I live, I will return to my real name in July.

    :::::

    Villager May I say that what you said about me was not very Krishmamurthy of you. 😉

  59. Flaming June

    17 Jun, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    Julian Assange prepared for five more years in embassy, says Ecuador
    Foreign minister Ricardo Patiño says situation is ‘totally unjust’, as talks arranged between British and Ecuadorean legal experts

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jun/17/julian-assange-five-more-years-ecuador

    AND

    Julian Assange: Ecuador will continue to grant asylum
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22940650

    Julian Assange is to stay in the Embassy. Poor man. He is imprisoned. All the news channels could say on the matter this afternoon was about the high cost of the policing and who should pay for it. The answer is obvious. Let him go.

  60. doug scorgie

    17 Jun, 2013 - 9:35 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    17 Jun, 2013 – 5:40 pm

    You reply to Ruth:

    “I would agree that they [GCHQ, MI5, and MI6] are an interest block (as are any groups of professionals or corporations) but I’m less convinced of their high influence.”

    Surely you’re not implying that GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 are mere lobbyists that have no more influence than other “groups of professionals or corporations”?

    They are an integral part of the state whose job is to spy on unsuspecting individuals and organisations.

    Their power and influence lies with the nature of information (intelligence) directly or indirectly collected which can be used by the state for various good or nefarious purposes.

    The “right kind” of information can be used to threaten, bribe, blackmail or entrap powerful figures in the justice system, the police, the government, MPs, political parties, high profile activists; the opportunities are endless both at home and abroad.

    Information is power.

    “Do not seek for information of which you cannot make use.”
    (Anna C. Brackett 1892)

  61. Flaming June

    17 Jun, 2013 - 9:43 pm

    Meant to post this before. It’s a video from last week’s Ch 4 Newa. Caspar Bowden has worda of wisdom and gives us information on what powers the US are taking and against which the individual has no recourse. He is warning us.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/data-spying-are-we-being-told-the-truth-video

  62. Trowbridge H Ford. He, Monzer al Kasser, seems like a nasty piece of work.

    Considering Africa makes me think of that other arms-running leech, Tim Spicer, who is now a private army contractor for the US in Iraq protecting US stolen oilfields there. These sub-humans are not worth your spit.

  63. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 10:05 pm

    Trowbridge; I tried to look at your articles, but was defeated by registraion.

    The issue with Bishop is interesting. I know CIA uses illicit sex charges to gum up the works, but I’m not sure it works in reverse with Snowden. I accept the slight possibility Snowden was fleeing, but there is nothing I can see (HuffPo also did Bishop) which dissuades me from believing Snowden’s the real deal. Thanks.

  64. Unbelievable – and no doubt coming to a country near you …

    ‘How Shell is trying to send a chill through activist groups across the country’

    “This summer, the 9th Circuit Court in California is weighing the question of whether companies have the right to take preemptive legal action against peaceful protesters for hypothetical future protests. This will be an extraordinary decision that could have a significant impact on every American’s First Amendment rights …” [continues]

    http://grist.org/article/how-shell-is-trying-to-send-a-chill-through-activist-groups-across-the-country/

  65. Flaming June: “Villager May I say that what you said about me was not very Krishmamurthy of you. ”

    How would you know — you can’t even spell his name! And a couple of months ago after giving you some info you asked for, your reply was “Even Krishnamurti.” When asked several times to clarify, you ignored requests. Anyway as K would say you have too much monkey chatter going on, hence we see you all over the place; no cohesion. Always quoting quoting quoting copying pasting frenetically and yes peppered with your snide remarks that debase the subject.

    I do feel sorry for you that you see this as your life’s work just when i felt sorry Habba would take you to task once too often. But i’m disappointed at the arrogance you display and your dishonesty when you said i hauled you over the coals for not using punctuations. Do you want me to copy Jon’s advice for you again. Dreolin also pointed it out a couple of times gently and you brushed her aside and half nasty.

    Old age is all about wisdom, but its never too late to take a look in the mirror. Its how we learn — in the mirror of relationship. Feel free to quote me on Krishnamurti if you want but before you do be honest and try to ‘get it’ first. “even Krishnamurti” — you can still explain.

  66. Found almost all the articles on codshit.blogspot.com.

    Just google one of the articles, say why it look so long to catch ames and hanssen, and once you have finished it, just go to the names of the authors on its right, and once you have found my name, just go through the 163 articles on file.

    I am not saying that Snowden is not a real spy – only became one after the Bureau set him up in a honey trap so that he was made to look like one.

  67. How does a troll-pack work?

    Today’s “Preparing to Bomb Syria” thread shows it as clear as day.

    Villager. Multiple personalities or what?

    June. Don’t let them get under your skin.

  68. And btw lets be clear Habbabkuk is not a troll so when people use that word they only show their weakness in not being able to stand up to his questions or arguments.

    On abuse, i haven’t seen any one else have more abuse showered on him but he’s proven that he can rebut it without enjoining them in their lowered standards. Thats because he is in addition to being very intellectual he is highly articulate.

    I’ve also come to see that he has a great sense of humour, sometimes even self-deprecating, and uses it very effectively to diffuse tensions. Compare that with Chris2 spitting at his computer screen, how desperately low can you get?

  69. “Villager. Multiple personalities or what?”

    I’ll take that as a compliment. Just plain flexibility of mind, the ability to see things how they are, objectively without the fear of a pack and a herd mentality.

    Be original bring some fresh insights, but please don’t punish us with your poetry any further.

  70. Craig wrote:

    “Lots of people make a great deal of money out of the security state, and this kind of activity is actually simply an excuse for taking money from taxpayers – which is from everyone who has ever bought anything – and giving that money to the “security industry”.”

    National governments, especially that of the US, are now the biggest buyers of software vulnerabilities, and presumably the invasive malware required to exploit them:

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/05/10/usa-cyberweapons-idINDEE9490AX20130510?type=economicNews

    “If the U.S. government knows of a vulnerability that can be exploited, under normal circumstances, its first obligation is to tell U.S. users,” Clarke said. “There is supposed to be some mechanism for deciding how they use the information, for offense or defense. But there isn’t.”

    In order for the government to exploit vulnerabilities discovered in major software, they cannot disclose those vulnerabilities to the manufacturers or the public, lest the exploit be fixed.

    Off topic: why Jack Straw should pay Abu Qatada’s legal aid bill:

    http://thejusticegap.com/2012/12/abu-qatada-legal-aid/

  71. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 10:55 pm

    Trowbridge; Whew! That’s a lot to digest. Gonna take a while, but it’s an impressive body of work you have there.

  72. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 10:57 pm

    Clark; I was just going to email and see wtf you’ve been up to. :)

  73. A ramble through the weeds…

    Were the spambots that used to plague this site before Tim and Co sorted it, more than merely random spambotic activity? Who knows? Anyway, as the regular oldies (oldies, that is, in terms of specific blog-age rather than necessarily chronological age), I used to enjoy talking insouciantly to the spambots in their own, unique tongue. I ultimately got some exasperated flak for that (when I accused a spambot of being an upper-class spy) from the poster who used to be known as ‘Richard Robinson’. Where did he go? Is he still with us in another guise, or has he evaporated into the fragmentary, ancient songs of nettle and weed?

    But on a more serious note, yes, the security industry is massive and expanding and (this is relatively new) promotes itself relentlessly. Think of Sawyers-in-Speedos; that was a PR offensive aimed to make Sawyers seem like an ordinary and nerdish ‘1970s-man’ human being like you or I (though perhaps your first chloice would not be Speedos) or like those ‘David Bedfords’ in the long-running TV advert for a product which, for the life of me, I cannot – do not wish to – remember.

    Likewise, the tale put about of the recently retired MI5 Chief having to wait around in a security queue at an airport when he returned from holiday – a Regular Joe, you see? There cannot be anything sinsister about a Regular Joe, you see! The security services hire PR companies for this specific purpose.

    Think too of the FSB’s deep – systemic – involvement in organised crime. But as Ruth suggests, it’s not just Russia. As a cohort, ‘Russians’ seem to get a bad name in Britain, while the Chinese get a good press. This is all silly. And, one imagines, ‘we’ (or rather, ‘them’ who rule us, spy on us and take our labour and run…) also consist of variegated configurations. Well, you know, there are parts of – people in – the FSB and its domestic equivalent that/ who actually do their job properly, and then there are parts that basically murder and destroy people. I’m not suggesting that MI5 and MI6 are quite on that level and no doubt there are principled officers who do their jobs as best they can – though maybe Ruth knows something wrt organised financial criminality most of us do not. In which case, I do wish she would write that explosive essay I’ve been urging her to write for ages and post it somewhere prominent – go on, Ruth! Or perhaps Courtenay knows more – offshore havens, laundering, etc.? Of course, Roderick Russell – who has an excellent piece in the current Lobster magazine – has first-hand experience of the hard state, over in Canada.

    Naturally, the function of the security services is firstly to their own empire-within-an-empire and secondly to preserve the preserve of those who own big things and who help ensure the security/intel complex continues to be bankrolled – white, grey and black monies. The early 1990s in Britain a time of fear for the spooks. But that period of uncertainty ended in September 2001. The core aspect of the ‘industry’ is the systemic intimacy b/w the private security sector (in which I would include mercenary ex-Special Forces-type outfits, like Blackwater, or Sweetmeat, or Sour Grapes, or Nannies-on-Acid, or whatever it likes to call iself these days – but there are many, many others) and the hard state. Criminality, it seems to me, is inherent, in terms of both form and content. It is nomative. We should expect no different. The end-target is the human spirit. Cultivate the human spirit and you defy the entire weight of the hard state: Butterfly.

  74. Right, don’t even try to read it all -just what strikes your fancy.

    And just remember that little of it was even properly proof-read because I am the world’s worst in that department, and none of it was edited.

    I just had to express what I really thought about things after having lived for years under the censoring eyes of academe.

    If you are inclined to sue because of brain damage, I am willing to settle out of court.

  75. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 11:20 pm

    Well some graf-breaks and white space would help,, but the brain-damage has long been water under the bridge. Again I say;
    outstanding work.

  76. @Villager. 10 49pm

    …”don’t punish us with your poetry any further.”

    Apologies there. I hadn’t intended it to be read as poetry. I just wanted to be brief as I’ve other matters to deal with tonight. You’ll have noticed I’ve given the poetry a rest for a good while now.

    My point was that it seemed to me when I skimmed through the day’s thread that you and Habbakuk seemed clearly to be working as a team, especially in respect of your usual target.

    I also found it revealing that as soon as Sofia got serious and asked you a simple and pertinent question which was for once, as she admitted, “on-topic” you both disappeared, leaving Kempe to try to clean up your mess.

    Now tonight you are both hard at work trying, as usual, to distract Flaming June. This time you have slipped into your righteous Krishnamurti persona.

    I can’t believe I’m the only one who can see this but I wanted to briefly draw attention to how you work.

  77. @FlamingJune
    I like Chris 2’s point. Habwonks’s relentless pursuit is a compliment to your one woman news dissemination service.

    Habwonk does intrigue me in one respect. The colloquial sometimes goes over his head and he uses pretentious words awkwardly, so I speculate he is a (youngish) man with (good) english as a second language. This makes me wonder if PR companys are outsourcing their troll hiring (much like the call center industry did twenty years back). A unit in, say, Mumbai would be a very tempting saving over a Soho basement to the likes of bell pottinger.

    @Kibo Noh
    I agree. Villager’s defence of Habwank is ridiculous. Perhaps they really are the same person. Or on the same team. The old bad troll less-bad troll one two. Give us a sign Jon. Are we warm?

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 11:33 pm

    @ Doug Scorgie (21h35):

    “You reply to Ruth:

    “I would agree that they [GCHQ, MI5, and MI6] are an interest block (as are any groups of professionals or corporations) but I’m less convinced of their high influence.”

    Surely you’re not implying that GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 are mere lobbyists that have no more influence than other “groups of professionals or corporations”?”
    __________

    No, of course I’m not calling them mere lobbyists (although I’m sure that they lobby government). You’ve possibly misunderstood me : I was using the words (“interest block”) Ruth used and in the same sense as Ruth used them.

    BTW, you’ll recall that the second half of my post went on to ask Ruth a question. As you have taken a flattering interest in our conversation, perhaps you’d now care to answer my question on her behalf as well?

    ************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  79. Ramble all you want Suhaly Saadi.

    Lucky for our JJonathan ‘Bob’ Evans aka William Perkins that he didn’t run into me with his guard down, as he would been calling for it as I continued to press him about who was responsible, and how had the deadly helicopter crash occurred at the Mull 19 years ago.

    Evans is the worst of Britain’s so-called counter terrorists.

    And countries’ intelligences services should be judged on a case by case basis.

  80. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jun, 2013 - 11:48 pm

    Suahayl; ‘Butterfly Effect” or Muhammed Ali (float like a butterfly)? Seriously, I get it. Mark refers to an aspect of that approach as ‘the power of intention’.

  81. Kibo, you poor deluded thing. Hope all that you’ve been smoking at least helps you sleep well. Go read some more detective novels and sharpen your ability to see things as they are. Meantime sign-up as a card-carrying member of the June and Sofia act — it’ll give you a sense of belonging. And perhaps give your shoddy little life some meaning.

  82. Phil. 11:29 pm

    “@FlamingJune…one woman news dissemination service.”

    You bet!

    ……………

    Here’s an observation from the “Preparing to Bomb Syria” thread earlier today.

    @Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake. 4:14 pm

    “Habbabkuk and Villager

    At 1 51pm I asked…”tell us why you are avoiding the issue of the fake “Assad uses sarin so we have to save them with our bombs” plot?”

    For once I was on-topic and I think the question was appropriate.

    In the two hour period before that, between you, you sent 5 posts, containing zero information.

    In the two plus hours since then you sent zero posts, but managed to provide us with just as much information.

    I wonder what could all that mean?”

    ……………….

    Just how stupid do “the Laurel and Hardy of these threads” think we are?

  83. A quick eyeball of today’s new blog and Mary/June’s on topic contribution:


    Flaming June
    17 Jun, 2013 – 12:30 pm
    Shin Bet operatives were/still are at Johannesburg airport.

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=60365

    And the link with a 2009 ‘NEWS’ item!

  84. @Villager 11 48pm

    …..”And perhaps give your shoddy little life some meaning.”

    While I was writing that last post your Krishnamurti mask seems to have fallen off.

  85. Phil. another poor little insecure toad — yes go running to Jon he’ll give you the facts but your insecurities will remain. Try it!

    In summary, is that all you can contribute? Calling people trolls when you can’t stand up to them. May you raise your levels of insight — thats my prayer for you.

  86. Hotairballoon

    You obviously know that the wind travels at different speeds and even directions at different altitudes. Same as politics. Craig is kindly sharing his observations about high altitude politics with us, but you find it difficult to do more than bum over the grass.
    It’s so kind of you to share the secrets of courting dung flies you observe as you skilfully rise over the annoying cowpats of life with us.

  87. Kibo don’t venture towards Krishnamurti, not for children.

  88. @Gawain

    “The system of international law was never entirely fit for purpose. Multiple violations have taken place since its ad hoc construction over the years, and millions of lives have lost under the sustained gaze of the legal community. This points to the fact that international law is nothing more than a tool in the arsenal of imperial power”.

    Never a truer word was spoken.

    Don’t watch television any more but made an exception for this, this evening, on BBC 4:

    “The Law in These Parts:
    Documentary examining the legal system developed by the Israelis in the Occupied Territories”.

    It was a perfect example of your post … interviews with retired Israeli (mainly) military judges who (had) tried to square the legal circle … to deliver injustice, punishments and judgements that were illegal under international law while twisting and turning the law in order to claim that the ‘system’ was legal under international law.

    Sickening.

  89. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Jun, 2013 - 12:03 am

  90. I don’t know how stupid we really are, Kibo Noh, but one thing must be said for the not forgetting about the al-hillis thread has achieved – it isolated the worst of them, and is apparently killing some of them off from internet exhaustion.

  91. … JJonathan ‘Bob’ Evans aka William Perkins that he didn’t run into me with his guard down ….

    Is he the same Evans from the D division? The same guy who was a friend of your favourite P. Wright?

    BTW I don’t buy into Peter being the KGB mole. Further, what say you about the Tara Group, and the Kincora pimps hosts? Wright should have known about it, saying as he was interrogating Blunt for six years. However, have you any data or any hints as to Blunt’s assignment in Germany on behalf of a certain house, that is verboten to be talked about?

  92. Blaming America for sponsoring and arming rebels in Syria will not leech the source or seeds of asymmetric terrorist warfare. America is primary motivated by the petro-dollar, power and domination because it has and can. Corporate America understands and embraces the Zionist political thought, approach and technique.

    Deception has lived on earth since the dawn of time. The earliest impact of cunning was the Judas kiss of intermarriage between Canaan and Egyptian Pharaoh, kept secret for a millenium.

    A modern day example of cunning was the Zionist-Hashemite alliance of the 1930s and 1940s. This was a convergence between the interests of Israel and those of Hashemite Transjordan against other members of the bickering Arab coalition, and especially against the Palestinians. The original Hashim clan ruled the Hejaz region of Arabia which later was incorporated into Saudi Arabia.

    This tiny historiography I think gives us a unique perspective of modern day Middle East nuance and the ‘war on terrror’ duplicity combined with an agonising awareness and recognition the Jewish State was built on the ruins of the indigenous people of Palestine, whose livelihood, houses, cultures and land had been systematically destroyed. The exodus of Palestinians was in fact a flight from destruction and genocide.

    Making sense of the assembled pieces and winding the clock forward, taking in Saudi money and Saudi arms deals on the way, we arrive at the Takfiri (atoning) movement, the Saudi General Intelligence, Prince Bandar, Bush and the Al-Nusra Front.

    Thanks to funding from the Saudi General Intelligence Department and support from the Saudi Intelligence in Lebanon, al-Nusra was able to swiftly arm its forces, and make the Syrian regime suffer painful blows through its expertise gained from Iraq bombings and death squads assisted by British and American intelligence and special forces muscle.

    Does it not make sense to heavily arm these terrorists and exploit the Saudi gifts of oil reserves, opulance, wealth, luxury, riches and gold?

    Yes, to many(1%) it does, regardless of the humanitarian suffering, tragedy, torment and loss of freedom the world over.

    Ask Blair.

  93. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Jun, 2013 - 12:30 am

    Well said, good Mark. Context is what’s missing from most opinions du jour.

  94. Phil
    “Habwonk does intrigue me in one respect. The colloquial sometimes goes over his head and he uses pretentious words awkwardly, so I speculate he is a (youngish) man with (good) english as a second language. This makes me wonder if PR companys are outsourcing their troll hiring (much like the call center industry did twenty years back). A unit in, say, Mumbai would be a very tempting saving over a Soho basement to the likes of bell pottinger.”

    You are treading on very dangerous ground here, although I personally think you are correct.
    I recently tried an experimental Assalamu Alaykum on him, but he avoided a knee-jerk response. I have been heavily criticised by my fellow under-dog-lovers for suggesting that my fellow Muslims hate the caring, intelligent side of the English people because it’s so much easier to label us all as heathen, grasping, lying, colonials.

    My conclusion is that Heebijeebs is a Pakistani who is paid to be cynical about UK values and portray them as hypocritical. And that he himself is a fully paid-up member of the Wow-Wahabi sect which also considers itself above the rest of us Muslims.

    There is a class system in sub-continent Islam between Gujus ( low, farm types and Rajas ( managers ). So I suspect that his persona thinks he is well above the highest characters from any of us. I presume he crawls back into the cowpat of his own superiority at night to feed on nutrients that higher life-forms, viz cows, have pre-digested for him. Nice work if you can get. But he never strikes me as having grasped the niceties of rational, humanitarian concern which this blog represents.

    I’m waiting for the fan-assisted cowpats to rain down and calls for the deletion of my comments. I have saved this one so if it is deleted by my disgusted coleagues, I can re-post it. This is really how low the intelligence agencies are stooping, not the sending weapons to Al Qaida bit, but the funding Muslim trolls on ex-Ambassador’s whistle-blowing comments pages.

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    18 Jun, 2013 - 12:34 am

    Howdy there Guano, nice to have you back with us again! I was getting worried that Fisons had got you bagged up and that you’d been spread over a field somewhere.

    *************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  96. Must be the same Evans.

    And don’t forget that Wright also made Richard Helms, the most dangerous DCI because he bought Wright’s crackpot realism about what the Soviets needed, and were doing.

    And I don’t care if you “buy” into my ideas about him.

    I am not running some bargain sale in a store – I am discussing the Soviets’ leading spy – what made the British elite look the world’s leading collection of idiots.

    This is what I know, and is verboten for Brits to talk about.

  97. @Villager. 12:00 am

    “Kibo don’t venture towards Krishnamurti, not for children.”

    On the strength of your example do you imagine I’d be remotely tempted?

    I visit this blog because I respect Craig’s commitment and observations and find so many valuable things out from other posters. It helps me make sense of the world I live in.

    I suppose I should just learn to scroll through obvious spoilers so I have only myself to blame. But I have to admit it bothers me to witness the constant campaign to disrupt and bully the genuine contributers.

    So I have to hand it to you. Tonight you have a small success and I fed you.

    Tomorrow you’ll still be spending your energy trying to upset people. I’ll have my finger ready with the “scroll down” button.

    “Dad. What did you do during the years of the Global Corporate Coup.”
    “Son. I worked hard to maintain deluded narratives to make sure that power remained with my masters.” Wow! What a legacy!
    …………………….

    To all who make this blog wonderful. Thank you. You have my respect.
    Goodnight All.

  98. Hazza

    Groomed any pasty teenagers recently? Clever stuff this spying, with a little bit of s**t on someone you can get them to do almost anything.

  99. I am not running some bargain sale in a store – I am discussing the Soviets’ leading spy – what made the British elite look the world’s leading collection of idiots.

    Now then, now then, then now! Getting tetchy and go on about commercial transactions.

    The Brit were made to look a collection of idiots long before that, Maclean, Philby, Burgess, Blunt,…..* However the question put to you so far is not answered (not demanding an answer, if you wish not to divulge); about Blunt’s secret assignment in Germany.

    * And before that there was there was the little matter of the nuclear spies.

    PS. Peter is a rabid fascist remember.

  100. “Howdy there Guano, nice to have you back with us again! I was getting worried that Fisons had got you bagged up and that you’d been spread over a field somewhere.”

    LOL Habba where do you pull these one-liners out from?!

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