A Good Idea

by craig on March 21, 2014 9:07 am in Uncategorized

Dashing off to London now to do an interview with George Galloway for his crowd sourced documentary “The Killing of Tony Blair”.  Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.

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  1. thanks Fred.

  2. I rate this as the loveliest and happiest story of the day. May the couple have many happy years together and the Labs too.

    ‘Puppy love’ as couple marry after guide dogs ‘fell in love’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-26705194

    ~~~

    In another context I recently mentioned Guide Dogs for the Blind on this blog.

  3. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    23 Mar, 2014 - 5:19 pm

    “If you think the Kinnocks are or ever were socialist you don’t understand politics.”
    ______________________

    On the basis of the evidence so far, I should say that Anon has nothing to learn from Mr Scorgie when it comes to understanding politics.

    Be that as it may, the Excellent Scorgie’s comment reminded me of something the Lefties always come up with.

    It is this. Whenever one reminds a Leftie that a socialist govt has thoroughly messed up something, or left a dangerous legacy, the cry always goes up “Oh, but that government only called itself socialist, it wasn’t socialist at all!” And the same applies to the leaders of socialist parties or govts: they all disappointed, or fucked up, because they weren’t really socialists at all!

    Socialism, therefore, can do no wrong, and never be wrong, for the simple reason that is had never been practised in government.

  4. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    23 Mar, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Fred

    “Look I don’t know if the plane was equipped with on board wi-fi or on board phone system or not..”
    __________________________

    And you wisely shut up soon after. If only other Eminences, whose knowledge of the details relevant to the plane’s disappearance is certainly as limited as yours, had refrained from dribbbling and drooling their theories and accusations all over one of the preceding threads! LOL

  5. Habbabkuk at 5:19 pm

    Absolutely spot on.

    True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.

    So we are left with a bunch of socialists who spend their lives espousing socialist ideals, but as soon as they become grotesque hypocrites – as they invariably do – then they are conveniently brushed aside as non-socialists by the new generation of socialists and their acolytes who carry on with the whole charade.

    What a wonderful state of affairs. I think our correspondent ought to provide an example or two of a socialist who has managed to escape this cycle of hypocrisy.

  6. I have a book idea for Nevermind: “Whose Junk is it Anyway? The struggle for North Norfolk waste efficiency 2007-11”

    Author Nevermind details in this important new collaboration his efforts to apply a Soviet-style system to East Anglian waste refuse. Devastating in its critique of Western modes of recycling, Nevermind challenges the very notion of waste as a ‘Western illness’ and suggests radical new reforms which include the provision of nothing to everyone. “Nothing, when given to everyone”, notes the author, “produces nothing”. Available in hardback for the special price of £35.99.

  7. http://advancedplasmapower.com/

    made in Britain this company has eluded Norfolks Tory mafia for some time, instead they plnoked for the most expensive, most polluiting and oldest method, lets burn it all at the ned of the garden approach by chosing Cory Wheelabrator, a serial polluter.

    read up about it before you open your sore mouth, anon.

  8. Some research on hacking planes. Caused quite a fuss on pilot forums at the time. https://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2013ams/materials/D1T1%20-%20Hugo%20Teso%20-%20Aircraft%20Hacking%20-%20Practical%20Aero%20Series.pdf

    Allegedly also the radio hardware inside some consumer android devices can be persuaded to transmit and receive on ACARS frequencies.

  9. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.581466

    Foreign Ministry employees declare general strike, paralyzing Israel’s diplomatic system
    All Israeli foreign missions closed; Lieberman censures ‘miserable decision that lacks sense.’

    Foreign Ministry employees declared a general strike on Sunday, following two weeks of renewed sanctions. The strike is expected to close down the country’s foreign missions and totally paralyze the Israeli diplomatic system.

    For the first time in the history of the State of Israel, 103 Israeli missions abroad will be completely closed for an indefinite period of time, as will the Foreign Ministry’s headquarters in Jerusalem.

    The strike was called in protest of the employment conditions of Israeli diplomats and the Finance Ministry’s decision to cut their salaries over the renewed sanctions.

    …”The Treasury has declared a war-to-the-death against the Foreign Ministry of the State of Israel and the dedicated diplomats who fight for the rights of Israelis daily,” said Ya’akov Frumer, chairman of the Foreign Ministry workers committee.

    …The diplomats also refused to handle British Prime Minister David Cameron’s visit last week (though he came anyway), and are now refusing to cooperate on preparations for the pope’s visit to Israel in May.

  10. Habba. anon.

    Give us a break your talking of political socialism we adopt civilisational socialism.
    Growing up in the 70’s we had a term called the greater good and you will find it still common place amongst people. Socialism in society is helping, sharing, caring and that human quality is the basis of socialism and there are so many qualities that we aspire too that political socialism cannot offer.

  11. Scary stuff, AlcAnon. Next to be confiscated on planes… Android phones? I’m now seriously wondering whether flying is worth the risk, as well as whether to switch my allegiance to UKIP to help get us out of Europe. Perhaps time I stopped reading this forum…

  12. technicolour

    23 Mar, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    “Devastating in its critique of Western modes of recycling, Nevermind challenges the very notion of waste as a ‘Western illness’ and suggests radical new reforms”

    Well, he could, and it would be far too easy to do it. Good grief, whose planet are you living on? Just as one could criticise the ‘East’ for its nuclear waste dumps. One does not cancel out the other.

  13. Anon; “St Jon the Mod, in a final act of magnanimity, issued a pardon to all sinners”

    If so, he finished his shambolic moderating with yet another blunder, one that is now damning this Blog to continued troll infestation; maybe it was a deliberate goodbye poisoned present.

    However I don’t remember seeing a pardon for you, but I distinctly recall you being banned not so long ago.

  14. One more post. Ukraine appears to have cut electricity supply to Crimea… not sure if this means half the homes don’t have power. Not on BBC yet so could be one or other group spreading pro- or anti- propaganda. Like the Squonk logo, by the way, Anon. Reminds me of my youth… much more enlightened times.

  15. Peacemaker,

    Both “sides” are reporting rolling blackouts in Crimea

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-reduce-energy-crimea-721/

    Electricity supply to Crimea has been reduced by half and the region is experiencing rotating blackouts following two accidents on power lines coming from Ukraine, Crimea’s energy company says.

    Earlier, Crimean Vice-PM Rustam Temirgaliev said that Ukrainian national energy company Ukrenergo reduced the electricity supply to Crimea by 50 percent. “Ukrenegro reduced the power in its power lines cutting the amount of supplied energy by half,” the top official told Kryminfo news agency.

    Temirgaliev also earlier described the power shortages as “blackmail” on behalf of Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/posts/605825482840464

    Euromaidan
    5 minutes ago ·
    21:36 In the Crimea, electricity is being switched off all over. This is stated by Crimean Facebook users.

    “Crimea. Simferopol. No electricity in Maryino. Nothin in Beloe, nothing on Dmitriya Ulyanova. What next?” Wrote journalist Osman Pashayev on his page.
    Other users confirmed that there is no electricity not only in Simferopol, but also in Kerch, half of Feodosiya, Belogorsk, Alushta, Dzhankoi, Yevpatoriya and the district centre Nizhnegorskoe.

    We remind you that the Crimea gets two thirds of its electricity from Ukraine. Russia, having occupied the Crimea, promised to renew the construction of the Crimean Nuclear Power Plant on Kazantip. – Ukr-Online.com

  16. Thanks, AlcAnon. You’d think that Russia would have anticipated this, but I suppose the referendum timetable would have made that impossible. Still, as long as no-one in the west reports on it, the world won’t know. I suppose it suits both sides in their own ways to keep it quiet. Pity for the poor Crimeans though.

  17. A story is making the rounds, first reported by the NY Times, that Iran is building a fake Nimitz carrier for unknown reasons.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/21/world/middleeast/a-ship-being-built-in-iran-looks-awfully-familiar-to-the-us.html

    Before this gets totally blown out of proportion, this is nothing more than a movie prop, for a film on Iran Air
    655 (shot down by the US Navy on July 3, 1988). Apparently the movie will be directed by Nader Talebzadeh and Paxton Winters.

    Source:
    http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/295806

    See also:
    http://isna.ir/en/news/92041207490/Iran-US-to-coproduce-film-on-1988-US-attack
    and
    http://www.payvand.com/news/13/may/1055.html

  18. Anon,

    Please define pure socialist, as I presume to be a pure socialist you would be regarded as an un carved block,

    “True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.”

  19. Is that you Earnest?

    http://williambowles.info/2014/03/23/white-house-information-warfare-by-vladimir-platov/

    Using the developed SMISC, a network of fictive online persons is created; they are registered with territorial binding to the information space in various countries. This procedure results in the impression of the existence of real people located in different regions of the planet, rather than sock puppets. An individual ‘biographical legend’ and character ‘details’ are created for each of the sock puppets. Ultimately, it is impossible even for advanced opponents to discover the fact of the manipulation of such fictive online persons, who can easily gain the trust of local bloggers.

    Traces of the implementation of the Operation Earnest Voice by the White House are obvious today on news sites and discussions in many countries, especially in Ukraine in the last few days. Website visitors are skillfully pitted against each other using this technology, interethnic hostility is implanted.

    It puzzles me why certain Earnest Voices cannot specify local times, as found next to the comments themselves, than converting them to 24h times or military conventions, and forcing others to do the opposite, many would rather and more productively skip the annoying distraction entirely. I expect you must have several more bad words to add to the banned list in the unlikely event of you one day ruling the world.

  20. Mean Mister Mustard; “Are you primarily commercial in your beatitudes?”

    Your reply to Technicolour applies equally to Craig on his Ukraine position.

  21. [Banned from contributing]

  22. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:55 am

    [craigmurray.org.uk – be patient and leave it to the staff Habbakuk.]

  23. I watched this last evening. Interesting and informative. Contains information that you will not hear on BBC or Sky or read in the UK lamestream press.

    After Crimea
    March 23, 2014 14:58

    How has the world changed with the advent of the most recent Ukraine crisis? How realistic is Russia’s isolation by the West? And are we experiencing a new geopolitical paradigm shift? CrossTalking with Martin McCauley, Mark Sleboda and Christoph Hoerstel.

    http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/most-recent-ukraine-crisis-689/

    Martin McCauley University of London
    http://www.limehousegroup.net/martin_mccauley.php

    Mark Sleboda
    http://thelimuneye.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/spotted-mark-sleboda.html

    Christoph Hoerstel
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_H%C3%B6rstel (In German)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lavelle – the presenter

  24. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:40 am

    “In other news:

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    Who says socialism doesn’t pay?”

    (A Non)

    LOL. You think Steve’s a socialist? You think anyone in the Labour Party at present, with very few and obvious exceptions, is a socialist? Even “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty”…the title says it all, really, doesn’t it?

    Now let’s take a look at Tory nepotism and undue influence selection procedures, shall we?

  25. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:44 am

    “I think when Blair dies I shall manage to refrain from unseemly displays of grief.” (Craig)

    Quiet and dignified is the way to go, I think. I hope the local store does not run out of fireworks on that sad day, and that the weather doesn’t spoil the street party.

  26. Would we all agree that since the verdict of the Hutton inquiry, BBC news has increasingly become a government propaganda mouthpiece? I was reminded about this when Rebekah Brookes said in court that she had been approached by Tony Blair about a “Hutton-style” inquiry. I think she probably put this into her defence deliberately, and good for her.

    I remember being in shock after Hutton’s results were announced, and expected there to be a massive backlash. However, it was a whimper… as of course it would be because the BBC would otherwise be being seen as crying wolf and the rest of the media were the BBC’s adversaries and would be pleased to see them “lose”. The real loser, though, was British democracy.

    Not only will I next consider voting UKIP (for the “democracy” reason), but I’ll also consider whether the license fee is any longer value for money. I’m sure many others are thinking the same way. If there really are going to be another six years of Tory rule the only way the BBC will think it can survive is by saying what the government wants. However, that may have the opposite effect…

  27. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:48 am

    “Habbabkuk says : Conservatives care for health and the NHS. NHS in good shape….etc, etc… ”

    Congratulations on coming out, buggerlugs. Tory spokesman it is. A career in standup beckons.

    I wonder if you are a major shareholder in a private “provider”? Like so many Friends of Osborne?

  28. Absolutely terrible.

    What have the G7 lot meeting in the Hague got to say? Or is all about Crimea now?

    Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26712124

    There was a coup in Eqypt.

    ‘What the West are trying to achieve is what the CIA and Mossad have now achieved in Egypt; replacing the head of the Mubarak regime while keeping all its power structures in place.’

  29. The estimable Jonathan Cook writes –

    More Guardian ‘brainwashing’ on Putin
    24 March 2014

    I spend a lot of time on this blog criticising the propaganda role of liberal media, including my former newspaper the Guardian. Media critics like Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman have called it “brainwashing under freedom”. Because of a long filtering process before they reach positions of influence, journalists working for the corporate media in free societies replicate many of the failings of journalists working for media in repressive and closed societies. There are differences. The propaganda in free societies is more subtle and insidious; the journalists are more likely to believe what they write; and a degree of pluralism is allowed, even while plausible and important voices are ignored or ridiculed. But propaganda it still is.

    I highlight this long and prominent article in the Guardian on Putin’s handling of Crimea and Ukraine because it is a master-class in brainwashing under freedom. The paper’s Moscow correspondent, Shaun Walker, is presumably well-acquainted with Russian society. He has full access to Russian media propaganda, so he knows full well Russia’s side of the argument. And he has acres of space in which to set out all the various viewpoints. And yet, he never manages to give a proper hearing to Russia’s side of the argument.

    /..

    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-03-24/more-guardian-brainwashing-on-putin/

  30. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:06 am

    Baalalopaluba/

    “Congratulations on coming out, buggerlugs. Tory spokesman it is. A career in standup beckons.

    I wonder if you are a major shareholder in a private “provider”? Like so many Friends of Osborne?”
    _________________

    Not a shareholder, Komodo. How about you? You wouldn’t be the first socialist to say one thing and do another.

    Anyway, very sorry to note that you’re not welcoming the good things I drew attention to, and in particular the making available on the national health of a vaccine against meningitis B.

    ********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  31. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:11 am

    BullzePuzzled

    “LOL. You think Steve’s a socialist? You think anyone in the Labour Party at present, with very few and obvious exceptions, is a socialist? Even “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty”…the title says it all, really, doesn’t it?”
    ______________________-

    Need to read posts more carefully, Babar. Refer to mine at 17h19 and Anon’s at 18h32 (both yesterday) and the scales will fall from your eyes. LOL

  32. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:15 am

    News (to someone, anyway):

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10716541/Tony-Blair-handed-3m-slice-of-Barack-Obamas-aid-for-Africans.html

    “It is thought to be the third grant obtained by Mr Blair’s charity from USAID. The body was, until last February, overseen by Hillary Clinton, who, along with her husband Bill, the former US president, is a close friend of Mr Blair and his wife, Cherie. ”

    This is exactly the way I thought Blair was operating. The ‘charitable’ foundations conceal a mechanism by which Blair can transfer aid, or ‘aid’ to the movers and shakers in vulnerable countries, while retaining an advisory fee for Blair International plc.
    Note also that a lot of this money will be paying some very well-heeled people their going rates for having endless meetings…

    Again –
    “USAID had a year earlier given £500,000 to AGI to fund his governance programme in Sierra Leone.”

    ‘Governance’ being a weasel word, meaning ‘ensuring compliance with Western demands’, I think.

  33. doug scorgie

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:17 am

    Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death

    And the west sends aid to the regime:

    “Ahead of Morsi trial, John Kerry flies to Cairo to pledge cooperation with military-backed government, while Britain announces resumption of arms sales”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10424025/US-and-Britain-lend-backing-to-Egypt-interim-regime.html

  34. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:24 am

    Bang on the money:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c1fc1f6a-afc3-11e3-9cd1-00144feab7de.html

    “It’s easy to cure Blair Disease: bar ex-leaders from doing paid work for private interests. This free measure would instantly deflate populism, keep experience inside government and attract a better class of person to the job.”

    Might even reduce A&E congestion – see next post –

  35. “Would we all agree that since the verdict of the Hutton inquiry, BBC news has increasingly become a government propaganda mouthpiece?”

    Well, yes, even more increasingly so.

    It started out under Lord Reith with the intention of becoming the govt propaganda mouthpiece of last resort, kinda lost its way a bit in the 60s/70s/80s when oiks started airing their views, was purged in 1987 by Thatcher and finally had its nuts cut off by the Hutton inquiry

    is the way I’d put it.

  36. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Safe in our hands….

    http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/p/mps-with-or-had-financial-links-to.html

    EG: . George Freeman: MP for Mid Norfolk. His own business: http://www.4d-biomedical.com/ which is a specialist adviser on Healthcare markets, Technology development, Business strategy & Venture financing, working with NHS trusts. Speaking in Parliament on 11 November 2010 during the Policy For Growth debate he said, “The third is the national health service. I know from my own experience that we are sitting on billions of pounds-worth of patient data. Let us think about how we can unlock the value of those data around the world.” See Hansard at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm101111/debtext/101111-0003.htm

    THAT’s not the PR message, is it?

  37. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:53 am

    “Anyway, very sorry to note that you’re not welcoming the good things I drew attention to, and in particular the making available on the national health of a vaccine against meningitis B.”

    I’d be concerned if it were not made available on the NHS, as it has epidemic potential. As it is, the original decision was not to provide it- it cost too much -, and a u-turn was involved. Still, better late than never.

    Meanwhile, another triumph for the Tories!

    http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/news/business/business-news/exclusive-novartis-country-president-uk-explains-why-the-company-intends-to-pull-out-of-horsham-with-the-loss-of-371-local-jobs-1-5666413

    Novartis are the manufacturers of the vaccine….

  38. Did Freeman declare his interest Ba’al? Probably not just like Mark Simmonds MP (now a FCO minister) who did not declare his interest as a highly paid adviser to Circle Health of Hinchingbroke Hospital infamy. Eventually after representations were made to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, he muttered a few words of apology in the ‘Hice’ from his position in the ranks of the troughers.

    ~~

    Ref Kinnock YUK

    Friends of the Friends

    The emasculation of the Labour Party is generally attributed
    to Blair and Brown in the 1990s; but it began much earlier,
    with the 1988/9 policy review which started the process of
    accommodating the City and the Americans. Leading that
    review was party leader Neil Kinnock, now Lord Kinnock.
    Adrian Gatton, via Tony Frewin, pointed me at a collection of
    conversations with former US diplomats.39

    This is in an interview with Carl Dillery, Political/Military Officer,
    at the U.S. embassy in London, 1973-1976.

    ‘DILLERY: Take an important case. Thatcher’s current
    head of loyal opposition, Neil Kinnock, was a junior MP
    when I was there. Our Labor Party reporting officer, Jack
    Binns, was a real friend of his. He was a great party guy
    and would come to all of our parties and talk to all of us.
    He and Jack were on a first name basis. So Jack became
    the political counselor when Kinnock got to be the leader
    of the Labor (sic) Party. Literally, Binns could call up and
    have access to him at any time.’

    Let me unpack this for those unfamiliar with Labour Party
    history. Neil Kinnock became an MP in 1970 and while in his
    first parliament became friends with the American diplomat
    whose job it was to keep an eye on/befriend/penetrate the
    Labour Party. He went to the parties at the American
    embassy, chatted to the staff there and became a US
    embassy source – perhaps the source – on the Labour Party.
    All this while he was presenting himself to the Party
    membership as a left-winger.40 Not that this shmoozing with
    the Americans did him much good when he became leader of
    the party: he was still ridiculed and humiliated on his first trip
    to Washington in that role.41

    Links and refs http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster67/lob67-view-from-the-bridge.pdf

    Glenys was famous for keeping the taxi meter running while she popped into the EU building to sign on for the day in the style of those crooked Lords who did the same for their daily bunce.

  39. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:02 am

    “Not a shareholder, Komodo. How about you? You wouldn’t be the first socialist to say one thing and do another.”

    Who?

    You wouldn’t be the first Tory to lie through its teeth, either. I’m not a shareholder in anything.

  40. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:11 am

    Did Freeman declare his interest Ba’al?

    Doesn’t look like it, Mary.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24817/george_freeman/mid_norfolk

    And http://www.4d-biomedical.com/
    seems to be unavailable. However, he’s now on this campaign –

    http://www.patients4data.co.uk/campaign

    4d…4data? Coincidence, of course. As is his interest in monetising patient data under the guise of making it available to patients – and everybody else.

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:18 am

    DubbleTheNubble

    “A Non implied that nepotism was a feature of socialism. Clear enough to me,..”

    ____________________________

    Perhaps you should have been arsed to read his post, BubZAevel. This is what Anon actually wrote:

    “True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.

    So we are left with a bunch of socialists who spend their lives espousing socialist ideals, but as soon as they become grotesque hypocrites – as they invariably do – then they are conveniently brushed aside as non-socialists by the new generation of socialists and their acolytes who carry on with the whole charade.”

    Nothing to do with nepotism, as you claim.

    Sharpen up, get arsed!

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Booblebu re the meningitis B vaccine

    “I’d be concerned if it were not made available on the NHS,…”
    _________________

    Hilarious answer!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Still, better late than never.”
    _________________

    A very ungracious comment there, Booblaboo. First country in the world to offer this vaccination on the state health system. NHS leads the way again. In safe hands!

  43. Habby was asked whether he was a shareholder in any of those companies involved in plundering the NHS and he answered, no.

    It seems to me though that as someone of self-described independent wealth (he’s actually a former top-level EU civil servant, now scraping by on a gold-plated pension) he’ll have his ill gotten gains invested somewhere.

    It’s unlikely that those managing his investments will have failed to notice the scrumptious opportunities in picking over the carcass that will be the NHS when the neocons are finished with it nor will they be unaware of the agribusiness potential in west Ukraine, and indeed in energy and weapons. Such investments will be par for the course in any portfolio.

    Since habby has over recent days been very keen to accuse everyone who doesn’t support neoconism of being a socialist, it’s only fair that he declare his interest in the above very profitable opportunities, which it’s not unreasonable to conclude may well colour his view.

  44. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:36 am

    So socialists don’t exist but Kinnock is a socialist? Strangled by your own, and A Non’s sophistry, buggerlugs. Or maybe your inability to read posts.

    Still not seeing your no doubt equally hilarious comments – with sources for your opinions – on the intimate involvement of the private health industry with those in charge of the NHS. F’r instance Philip Hammond? Jeremy Hunt? Donations to the Tories in general (yes, and Nu Libor as well)?

    So important that the ongoing privatisation of NHS functions at immense cost to the taxpayer (see PFI for details) is unaccompanied by any faint whiff of corruption, don’t you think?

  45. Interesting UNCTAD graphic outlining EU dependence on Russian energy imports:

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/100-reliant-on-russian-gas.html

    But yes, jolly good idea to bring things in Ukraine to a head just as summer is icomen in.

    Well done those forward thinking, freedom loving protestors in Kiev for thinking of that.

    And taking a leaf from Thatcher’s playbook.

  46. It is preposterous [craigmurray.org.uk – insult removed] to say that the NHS is in safe hands. Seems to be information challenged!

    For instance –

    Nurses who form the backbone of the NHS, with the GPs.

    Poll of 10,000 by the Royal College of Nursing. 62% had thought of leaving
    the NHS in the last year 2013. .. unable to give patients the care they
    would want to because they were too busy, while 83% believed
    their workload had increased in the last 12 months.

    Pay freeze – between 2010 and 2012, followed by a 1% cap on
    increases from this year until 2016. Inflation rate > c. 3% +

    What is Hunt doing? Chucking money at hospitals for IT!
    and instituting a ‘revalidation scheme’ – every 3 years.
    Hospital staff are now under 360 degree surveillance as are
    all 100,000+ doctors.

    BBC News
    ‘Worrying shortage of senior NHS nurses’.

    The NHS has lost nearly 4,000 senior nursing posts since 2010, putting patient care at risk, warns the Royal College of Nursing (RCN). The void includes ward sisters, community matrons and specialist nurses and has been brought about by cost saving reorganisation, it says.

    According to the most recent data, in November 2013, the NHS was still short of 1,199 full time equivalent (FTE) registered nurses compared with April 2010. The RCN says that hidden within wider nursing workforce cuts are a significant loss and devaluation of skills and experience in the NHS, with 3,994 FTE nursing staff working in senior positions. These band seven and eight nurses – matrons, ward sisters and advanced nurse practitioners and clinical nurse specialists – have been disproportionately targeted for workforce cuts and found their roles increasingly devalued, it says.

    Dr Peter Carter, chief executive and general secretary of the RCN said: “As more patients require complex care from specialist nurses, letting so many years of skills and experience vanish from the NHS is an utterly reckless policy. These cuts are a short-term attempt by trusts to find efficiency savings, yet they will lead to a very serious and very long-term crisis in our health service.”

    The public inquiry report into Mid Staffordshire Foundation Trust, written by Robert Francis QC, highlighted the importance of having the right staffing numbers and skill mix on wards.

    YCNMIU!

  47. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 11:54 am

    Blair’s Faith Foundation (motto – ‘only Believe, and all these things shall be added unto you’)….and one of its funders. The TBFF has a branch in Ukraine;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9859780/Revealed-Tony-Blair-and-the-oligarch-bankrolling-his-charity.html

    Pinchuk, who has a branch in London, is not expected to be inconvenienced by sanctions. He’s our bastard.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10655081/The-Ukrainian-oligarchs-living-it-large-in-London.html

    But Firtash is of interest to the FBI, not least because he has valuable information on Putin. Expect an extradition row….

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-oligarch-dmytro-firtash-pays-125m-bail-after-politically-motivated-arrest-1441518

  48. Habba

    I agree the menangitis vaccine is a must to keep healthy but.as we are on a socialist bent I assume you would consider our present sedantary socialist lifestyle should be infused with more health conscious motives to promote a well being consistant with the terminology “we are what we eat”.
    Although responsibility does and should remain with the individual. Choice is paramount.

  49. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/20/nhs-hospitals-annual-loss-first-time-eight-years

    Meningitis B jab costs £130 a pop. From a private ‘provider’ that is.

    We could always cut back on GP practices….? Sure.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/23/family-doctor-service-brink-extinction

    So all your caring compassionate conservative betters can really do is close some of those feckless scrounger hospitals, even if some of us still have scruples. Hard working families don’t get sick, do they?

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/11/hospital-closures-law-rebel-coalition-mps

    Three cheers for private enterprise! And thanks for the brown envelope….

  50. There’s been some discussion of various political approaches recently in the comments section.

    Here’s an article from the Conservative writer, Peter Hitchens, which is very much at odds with the neocon agenda:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38041.htm

    You’ll see similar articles from Peter Oborne, another Conservative.

    I’ve posted concordant views from ex Australian Conservative PM, Malcolm Fraser, and you’ll hear Conservatives voicing the same anti-neocon view time and time again.

    You’ll regularly see such articles from Paul Craig Roberts, an American Conservative, as well.

    The old Left is a critic of neoconism, whilst the neo Left is itself neocon in actuality.

    It’s not unimportant how these factions line up.

    You’ve got the paleo Conservatives and paleo Left now lining up to make similar criticisms of neoconism. That division is clear as day.

    We know the genesis and subsequent history of Conservatism and Socialism, but few are clued up on where neoconism comes from and where it is going and why it currently seems so dominant.

    Strange.

  51. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    Good point, Herbie. The advance of neoconservatism behind a palaeoconservative or palaeosocialist front is indeed insidious. And one of its political strengths – it can masquerade as the centre ground. Many of its US originators were, incidentally, failed leftists who realised they weren’t going to make much money if they had principles. It’s no accident that both Blair and Gove – neither had unduly rich or privileged backgrounds – are slavish admirers of American neos.

  52. “Many of its US originators were, incidentally, failed leftists who realised they weren’t going to make much money if they had principles”

    Indeed Ba’al, mostly or all Trots. As Clark recently pointed out, the radical left as in radical protestantism is something of a fissionable atomising force. This of course is a fundamental property of analysis itself.

    We used to lament at how they always fought one with the other and could never agree on anything.

    But now they’ve all joined together in a dangerously explosive way.

  53. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    Point to ponder –

    “Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are, rather, forced upon parliaments from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. Just as the employers always try to nullify every concession they had made to labour as soon as opportunity offered, as soon as any signs of weakness were observable in the workers’ organisations, so governments also are always inclined to restrict or to abrogate completely rights and freedoms that have been achieved if they imagine that the people will put up no resistance. Even in those countries where such things as freedom of the press, right of assembly, right of combination, and the like have long existed, governments are constantly trying to restrict those rights or to reinterpret them by juridical hair-splitting. Political rights do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace . Where this is not the case, there is no help in any parliamentary Opposition or any Platonic appeals to the constitution.”

    — Rudolf Rocker, Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory & Practice, 1947

  54. But unfortunately the people are far too busy working every hour God sends to earn money they don’t need so they can go into debt buying things they don’t want to impress people they don’t like to worry about things like freedom.

    They may grumble about oil or grumble about nuclear but so long as when they pull onto the forecourt the pump isn’t empty and so long as when they flick that switch a light comes on the politicians are safe as how many rights they take away.

  55. PaleoTories will eventually decompose and turn into oil and calcium. I can’t see any other use for them. It was a very dangerous experiment conducted by Nick Clegg and Paddy Ashdown to inject live DNA into the fossilised archived material from Thatcherite pre-history and form a re-construction of this antediluvian life form.

    Neandercons, born-again-colonial-why-did-we-stop-stealing-wealth-from-other-countries, on the other hand, are very much alive and kicking, including those foreign politicians that see benefit for themselves in the colonial process. What is lacking is humans.

  56. This article/interview neatly explains the global political dynamics.

    “In fact, both, the interests of Europe and that of Russia, lie in a common economic plan for the development of the whole area. This is what was proposed by Putin and by several leaders such as former German chancellors Helmut Kohl and Gerhard Schroeder. This is exactly what had to be prevented with the Victoria Nuland $5 billion ‘to help democracy.’ And now, despite all the noises and rhetoric, this is the most obvious direction to go.

    The most important point to understand is that this war and looting policy is not in the interest of the Europeans or even of the Americans.

    This is the big secret that now cannot be covered anymore. The governments of the US and the European countries are NOT independent entities, they are not sovereign. They do not have the will or even the ability to act on behalf of their people. They are controlled by powerful banking interests. They have been taken over by two financial centers that do not care for the real economy. They pursue only speculation and looting.”

    The key really is how to defeat neoconism.

    1. The Russians create alliance for new global financial system.

    Difficult, dicey and long.

    2. The Germans, who still have a real economy, act on that interest.

    Short and sweet.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ukraine-crisis-and-vladimir-putin-a-new-financial-system-free-from-wall-street-and-the-city-of-london/5374785

    C’mon Germany, now’s your big chance…

  57. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    Confusion of irreducible needs and frivolous wants is central to this, Fred. As is the perception of what constitutes happiness, or, better contentment. If I had been Gove, I would have handed every school a copy of ‘Candide’, not the KJ Bible. Anonymously, with a social media PR campaign purporting to discourage kids from reading the last few words.

    Education, education, education…

    “Don’t you think agricultural laborers would rather have three acres and a cow than three acres of printed forms and a committee? Why doesn’t somebody start a yeoman party in politics, appealing to the old traditions of the small landowner?”
    -GK Chesterton

    We probably don’t have room any more for three acres and a cow, but a garden and a few chickens for all might not be an unrealistic aim.

  58. Herbie,

    Neo cons are capitalists; the Haliburton millitary machine and other corporate entities monopolize the agenda hence no moralistic diplomacy.
    Incredulous without media attention.

  59. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:06 pm

    How to stuff capitalists: don’t buy stuff.

  60. “We probably don’t have room any more for three acres and a cow, but a garden and a few chickens for all might not be an unrealistic aim.”

    Not unrealistic at all, every council house tenant has the right to keep a few chickens in their back garden, they have round here anyway. Some do.

  61. How strange that Habbaduk’s intemperate comment, laying down his demands for the conduct of this blog and policing contributors language, between Jay’s at 7:14am and mine at 7:26am, has been removed completely with no trace, whilst other deleted or moderated comments are left as stubs, which to me is preferable as it indicates that there has been some intervention and might help in some cases to understand the flow and direction the discussion took. Though it has to be said the now gone comment was nothing more than gratuitous whinging and bare-faced cheek, a particularly disgruntled sounding, grumpy early morning wail that no-one will bend to its will or comply with its strident demands.

    How should we address you oh mighty one (Habbaduk)?

  62. People would be surprised how much land is available:

    “The great myth of urban Britain”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

    Then there’s who owns it all:

    “The book ‘Who Owns Britain’ by Kevin Cahill revealed the hidden facts behind landownership in the UK and Ireland.”

    The book ‘Who Owns Britain’ by Kevin Cahill revealed the hidden facts behind landownership in the UK and Ireland.

    http://www.who-owns-britain.com/

  63. craigmurray.org.uk

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    Some commenters are now subject to pre-moderation. Keyword blocking has been activated. Any comment may be held for moderation as automatic filters are prone to false positives.

    The moderation queue now has to be checked periodically. Pointless personal and left-vs.-right political bickering is causing me work and wasting my time.

    Remember that your host is a HUMAN RIGHTS activist, and not very party-political.

  64. AlcAnon/Squonk

    23 Mar, 2014 – 10:06 pm

    I don’t think the probllem is as bad as it’s being made out regarding the lack of electrical power in Crimea. One of the comments suggests that this is a common problem in Crimea.

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/posts/605825482840464

  65. “A week later, on March 12, Christine Lagarde, met the interim Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk at IMF headquarters in Washington. Lagarde reaffirmed the IMF’s commitment:

    “[to putting Ukraine back] on the path of sound economic governance and sustainable growth, while protecting the vulnerable in society. … We are keen to help Ukraine on its path to economic stability and prosperity.”(Press Release: Statement by IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde on Ukraine)

    The above statement is wrought with hypocrisy. In practice, the IMF does not wield “sound economic governance” nor does it protect the vulnerable. It impoverishes entire populations, while providing “prosperity” to a small corrupt and subservient political and economic elite.”

    Michel Chossudovsky

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/24/regime-change-ukraine-imfs-bitter-economic-medicine/

  66. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    Herbie, Ba’al Zevul, G K Chesterton, Rudolf Rocker…

    Thanks. Why don’t we get this stuff in school?

    http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/rudolf-rocker-anarchism-and-anarcho-syndicalism

  67. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    Talking of ‘governance’ in Ukraine, something’s missing here-

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundationus.org/blogpost/tony-blair-announces-new-education-projects-ukraine

    Wonder if it was escorted off the premises by a Russian soldier?

  68. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “Why don’t we get this stuff in school?”
    Because it’s very dangerous. You will probably put on weight and fail to get a job as an airline hostess if you read it. And have to wear ugly spectacles and a prosthetic leg. Now please pick up your nice PJ O’Rourke, like Mrs Krauthammer told you to.

  69. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Herbie. 2 47pm

    From the Indo article comments, “Ukraine has such a high percentage of devastatingly beautiful women…”

    What about Craig Murray’s blog?

  70. I liked Andrew Whitchurch’s comment of Mar, 2014 – 7:38 pm on the Six More Years thread, which was lost in the subsequent noise.

    Of course, the 42% had to be conditioned first and Thatcher saw to that. The big giveaways to the unskilled lower middle class in the 1980s (notice how people with a complete lack of skill started to earn more in back offices and estate agencies than those with skills to mine coal, build cars, administer health care etc.) ensured there were a lot of people with a lot to be grateful to Thatcherite economics. I reserve the right to not call it free market.

    That has created a glut of people who are now over 50 who like to think that they worked hard for what they got (they didn’t) who rather like the status quo and will keep this kind of politics in power for many years to come. George Osborne’s budget directly targeted this group of feckless, unskilled homeowners.

    Fred sometimes you make a sound point such as: “But unfortunately the people are far too busy working every hour God sends to earn money they don’t need so they can go into debt buying things they don’t want to impress people they don’t like to worry about things like freedom.” Inspired, except for the ‘God’ bit, but that’s a well-worn recognisable cliche and not necessarily indicating devout belief in supernatural beings. There is a tendency however to extrapolate from limited or exceptional and unusual experiences to suggest this or that special case is descriptive of the whole. If someone were to say something like ‘books do not kill’, you’ll relate a case of a man who had a heavy book of carpet samples land on his his bonce with tragic result.

    It is indeed incredibly difficult, if not impossible to feed one person, much less a family, on own-produced fare, raised from a patch of ground, it would be a monotonous diet, not conducive to health and could not compete on price with simply buying the same items from a store, in other words the outlay would be greater, and there would be times of surplus and wastage, as well as shortfalls when other sources would be crucial. I have some new seed potatoes (Charlotte) to plant in the next week or two, but still have sackloads of last years main crop (Desiree) to find some palatable use for; chickens/eggs however, coming sporadically rather than all at once in some over-whelming glut make a lot of sense, but there are few who could realistically keep them. Latter day housing and residential architecture and ground use, particularly of council housing, has not, probably since the 1950s considered such diversity or flexibility of uses and needs worth incorporating in their designs and space allocation. It wouldn’t be conducive to keeping the people in their place if they were able to exercise any degree of resilience, of resourcefulness or detachment from consumerism’s smothering disempowering embrace.

  71. Sofia

    It’s that old beauty of mind/body problem, especially when the censor’s on the prowl…

  72. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (I’d Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic)) 3 03pm

    “Now please pick up your nice PJ O’Rourke, like Mrs Krauthammer told you to.”
    Groan!

    Please tell me Eminences and Excresances. What is it about certain humans that causes their brains and principles to veer rightwards and dissolve into blancmange or worse as the years pass? Witness the descent of Dad down the rabbit holes of reactionary delusion.

  73. My comment above using the t word is in moderation too.

    Tony M I used the word ….. this morning. That was deleted and a Wikipedia link to the word …..7 is in moderation and will probably also get deleted. In view of the history here, I think is outrageous.
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    [Moderation can’t deal with the history, only the current situation. Please be helpful. Thanks.]

  74. “It is indeed incredibly difficult, if not impossible to feed one person, much less a family, on own-produced fare, raised from a patch of ground, ”

    Well of course.

    I have to supplement my diet with a bit of roadkill and some skip diving.

  75. “Please tell me Eminences and Excresances. What is it about certain humans that causes their brains and principles to veer rightwards and dissolve into blancmange or worse as the years pass? Witness the descent of Dad down the rabbit holes of reactionary delusion.”

    Youthful idealism meets material necessity, is the usual explanation.

    So, a change in what material necessity entails might be an option.

    Ultimately though we would need to get rid of the mafia skimmers, and that’s no small ask.

    Though, changing the world banking system would probably go some long way to pulling off the trick.

  76. Mods

    And why is mine at 1.52pm awaiting moderation at all?

    No bad words, no personal attacks, no nuffin.

    [One of those false positives.]

  77. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    “….ground use, particularly of council housing, has not, probably since the 1950s considered such diversity or flexibility of uses and needs worth incorporating in their designs and space allocation.”

    Isn’t it about time that changed? Note: I’m not talking about absolute self-sufficiency (though with local trading between specialists, that would not be an impossible dream) but about satisfaction, appreciation of the attainable, and cutting out the unproductive middleman…who seems to get most of any value produced as things stand. Granted, Chesterton was of another era, and romantically bucolic with it, but three acres and a cow – even a 1/4 acre and a chicken run – represent a degree of independence from global marketeers, their branders and their politicians, which is unthought of today.

  78. “but three acres and a cow”

    You don’t need a cow, a goat will give more than enough milk.

  79. So there are a few of us on the naughty step!

    PS I know that modding is a thankless job especially here. Why don’t we have registration?

  80. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:46 pm

    Broken –
    If credible, this suggests that the US (or similarly equipped nation) have now released data from a high-resolution satellite camera to the Malaysians. That is, the pictures will be at least 10X better than anything so far published, and may well include the aircraft on its southerly track.

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/24/malaysia-flight-370-crashed-southern-indian-ocean-prime-minister-confirmation/

  81. WTF? Keywords? What are they? Craig is buying ball-gags by the gross to make the discourse sterile or emasculated? Enquiring minds want to know.

    Whazzup with the thuggery?

  82. MH370 assumed to have crashed with no survivors, says Malaysia Airlines – live updates

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/mh370-chinese-plane-spots-white-objects-live-updates

  83. Are the keywords a secret? A list of proscribed words and phrases is even available through the dark Sith Lord, Putin.

    Maidan behaviors.

  84. “WTF? Keywords? What are they?”

    It’s complicated Ben, All I can say is don’t mention Scunthorpe.

  85. “Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume that MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”

    Perpetual educated guesses, but I digress.

  86. Media Lens have done a big piece about anti-independence bias in BBC Scotland and STV. They quote Craig extensively. They describe how the mainstream media in general has ignored an analysis of news stories about Independence.

    “The year-long study was conducted by a small team led by Professor John Robertson of the University of West Scotland. Between 17 September 2012 – 18 September 2013, the team recorded and transcribed approximately 730 hours of evening TV news output broadcast by BBC Scotland and Scottish Television (STV). The study concluded that 317 news items broadcast by the BBC favoured the ‘No’ campaign (i.e. no to Scottish independence) compared to just 211 favourable to the ‘Yes’ campaign. A similar bias in favour of the ‘No’ campaign was displayed by STV. Overall, there was a broadcaster bias favouring the ‘No’ campaign by a ratio of 3:2. In other words, there was 50 per cent more favourable coverage to the ‘No’ campaign.”

    They go on to describe how BBC Scotland in particular went to a lot of effort to discredit the professor behind the report.

    http://medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=759:scotlandshire-bbc-scotland-coverage-of-the-independence-referendum&catid=52:alerts-2014&Itemid=245

  87. A Node. I saw that Medialens alert too and put in on the Ally’s Army thread. :)

  88. Craig, has anybody thought to ask how the filming went at the weekend? Well, I hope. Anything of interest that you would like to say about it? What other celebs were involved?

  89. Ditto.

    The EU sucks.

  90. @A Node

    Do you think the Nationalists could stop screaming “bias” long enough to tell us the latest budget deficit forecasts?

  91. Hmmm. More ‘popular uprising’ in Odessa?

    http://rt.com/news/east-ukraine-rallies-referendum-701/

  92. Craig Murray is quoted extensively by the guys at Medialens. This is in reference to BBC bias in relation to their coverage of the Scottish independence issue.

    This is a must-read:

    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/759-scotlandshire-bbc-scotland-coverage-of-the-independence-referendum.html

  93. Smoothface throws his toys out of the pram as instructed by Obomber.

    24 March 2014 Last updated at 15:47

    G8 summit ‘won’t be held in Russia’ Breaking news

    The G8 summit will not take place in Russia this year, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

    Speaking in the Netherlands, Mr Cameron said it was “absolutely clear” the planned June meeting of world leaders in the Russian resort of Sochi would not happen due to events in Ukraine.

    The EU and US have imposed sanctions on Russian officials after its annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.

    Moscow has also been warned of further action if it does not change course.

    The announcement that the Sochi meeting had been cancelled comes after Russian troops seized control of the last major military base in Crimea.

    It comes as Mr Cameron, US President Barack Obama and other G7 leaders attend a nuclear co-operation summit in The Hague, to which Russian President Vladimir Putin was not invited.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26722668

    ~~

    Like children.

  94. fred 24 Mar, 2014 – 4:09 pm

    “@A Node

    Do you think the Nationalists could stop screaming “bias” long enough to tell us the latest budget deficit forecasts?”

    Media Lens aren’t Nationalists. Their article expresses no opinion either for or against Independence. They are concerned about thought control in the media. So am I. I believe you are too regarding most topics.

  95. I thought this Medialens tidbit somewhat pertinent.

    Prof. Robertson was asked by one MSP what kind of research he’d conducted in the past. He responded:

    ‘My interest is in, dare I say it, thought control in democracies. Everyone knows in a totalitarian state you can’t trust the media. Everyone knows they’re being lied to. Thought control in totalitarian states is totally ineffective because the entire population pretty much know: don’t trust that stuff from the party.

    ‘In democracies, there is thought control. There’s undeniably thought control. Media and political elites often work in each other’s interests. They don’t go round in a big cauldron saying, “Let’s do down the working classes and send our boys off to die, because we want them to do that.” They just mix. They go to the same schools. Their children go to the same schools. They share the same interests, the same cultural interests.

    ‘So we do end up with a degree of thought control without conspiracy…’

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “Meningitis B jab costs £130 a pop. From a private ‘provider’ that is.”
    _____________________

    Which is EXACTLY why it’s splendid news that the jab will henceforth be offered on the NHS and therefore FREE.

    Aren’t you pleased about that?

  97. Ben 24 Mar, 2014 – 4:14 pm

    I would be in no way surprised if there was a partition of Eastern Ukraine, especially if the May elections (if they go ahead) return Yatsenyuk and the neo-fascists.

  98. John @ 4:29

    It’s getting harder to tell the good guys from the bad without a program.

    Sel-interest and aggrandizement is not a Moscow monopoly.

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