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I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.

CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off.  It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft.  But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency.  (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency.  That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)

I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land  I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region.  Somewhere there is debris on the ocean.  There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented.  However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen.  In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.

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  • Reply ↓
    Q

    I think the rule for the MH370 search has been to do the opposite of what seems logical. The saving grace of what has been an obvious deliberate attempt to mislead is that we live in the internet era. Interested amateurs have not given up.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/12/why-is-the-search-for-mh370-debris-being-left-to-amateurs.html

    I keep going back to the idea of criminal negligence, put forward in 2014 by one expert who did not mince his words.

  • Reply ↓
    Pink

    On this witness sighting listed on Ken Taubins page could he be seeing an afterburner do you think ?
    I do wonder what Mike Mckay and Kate Tee saw it gives me brainstrain trying to work out whether there is two planes ?

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://ww1.utusan.com.my/utusan/Dalam_Negeri/20140312/dn_07/Lagi-individu-dakwa-lihat-MH370-terbang-rendah&edit-text=

    “He claimed that the plane was flying lower than normal as it wants to make an emergency landing towards the sea.

    “MAS logo clearly visible on the body of the plane and it flew towards the coast of Sri Tujoh.

    “I also look like a small fire in the tail of the plane. The fire clearly visible because the plane was crossing this area,” he said. ”

    http://www.thehuntformh370.info/content/was-disappearance-mh370-cia-false-flag-operation

    • Reply ↓
      michael norton

      What if a drone from Diago Garcia struck MH370
      and they both crashed at more or less the same spot.
      The Americans/English might not want the wreckage of either or both aircraft found?

    • Reply ↓
      Q

      It’s a very complicated theory about the Maersk Alabama, the duel planes, the landing, boarding and disposal of the plane and bodies. The author seems to think that Malaysia knew nothing. Why, then, the lackadaisical attitude of Malaysian air traffic controllers about contacting MH370? I dare say that whatever the reason for this whole fiasco, the Malaysian government was in on it. They have (intentionally) misled the world from the beginning, when they told various tall tales about what happened that night. I doubt very much that fresh mangosteen from the country’s most notorious crime and smuggling region were in the cargo hold that night.

      If contraband and stolen property were on board, and the plane was intentionally shot down, surely those in control of such a scenario could have gone to the scene to recover the booty while the world looked elsewhere. And I doubt very much that no satellite in the world saw anything while this played out. Malaysian may not have been the grand controller of such an operation, but surely they knew something. Just look to the “criminal negligence” allegations.9

    • Reply ↓
      michael norton

      What if a drone shot down MH370 and it was monitored from Diego Garcia
      but they don’t want the World to know?

    • Reply ↓
      lysias (DON'T FEED THE TROLLS)

      I believe the Donald Cook is the same ship the Russians buzzed in the Black Sea a year or so ago.

      • Reply ↓
        lysias (DON'T FEED THE TROLLS)

        From the Wikipedia entry on the Donald Cook:

        On 9 April 2014, U.S. military officials confirmed the deployment of Donald Cook to the Black Sea,[5] shortly after Russia′s annexation of Crimea and amid the pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine. The official statement claimed the vessel′s mission was “to reassure NATO allies and Black Sea partners of America’s commitment to strengthen and improve interoperability while working towards mutual goals in the region”.[6] On 10 April 2014, the warship was reported to have entered the Black Sea.[7] On 12 April 2014, an unarmed Russian Su-24 “Fencer” fighter jet made twelve close-range passes of the USS Cook during a patrol of the western Black Sea.[8][9][10] According to an allegation by a Pentagon spokesman, “The aircraft did not respond to multiple queries and warnings from Donald Cook, and the event ended without incident after approximately 90 minutes. The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s.”[11] In 2014, Russia′s state-run news media outlets, without citing any specific sources of information, ran a series of reports that claimed that during that incident the Su-24, equipped with the Khibiny electronic warfare system, disabled the ship’s Aegis combat systems.[12][13][14] The jamming claims were ignored by Western mainstream media. They were dismissed in February 2015 as “nothing but a newspaper hoax” by the Khibiny jammer’s Russian manufacturer KRET’ website, which asserted that Khibiny was not installed on Su-24 but claimed it was “capable of completely neutralising the enemy radar”.[15] One analyst described the incident as “about as tame a flyby as you can get.”[10]

  • Reply ↓
    Pink

    I can begin to see why it might have been odd that all the electronics peeps were booked on one plane its beyond my ability to sort through I was just looking for a crashed plane.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    It seems somewhat ungrateful of Malaysia Airlines — putting it mildly — to pick an Australian family for their probing questions like “Where is it?” and “Who took it?”. The amount of compensation payable to one family is a drop of water in the ocean compared to the millions of dollars Australia is paying to search for the missing plane. It hardly seems like a fair exchange. Maybe it’s time for that Australian government to intervene and present Malaysia Airlines with a bill for its services. Fair’s fair.

    If Malaysia Airlines had kept better track of its aircraft, it wouldn’t have to ask next of kin where they are. Maybe they should read the newspapers, or sign go look on Tomnod. Maybe they don’t think the passengers are dead after all. Diplomacy is lost on this nation.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/russian-jet-barrel-rolled-us-aircraft/

    It’s a repeat of Cold War era tactics, with Russia’s interception of a U.S. Navy reconnaissance plane. The U.S. says the Su-27 came within 50 feet and did a barrel roll.Russia denies it.

    Back in the skies over Europe during the Cold War, all parties were guilty of this tactic. Many military personnel and planes crashed as a result. Some went further and buzzed commercial airliners.

    Is this what happened to MH370, and whodunnit if so?

    • Reply ↓
      michael norton

      So America has supplied arms to rebel groups in Syria which have used those arms to bring down Syrian government aircraft,
      that’s like a declaration of war.
      What the fuck are the Americans playing at?

      https://www.rt.com/news/340021-syrian-rebels-break-ceasefire/

      A Syrian militant group called Jaysh Al-Nasr has announced plans to go into battle against government forces, claiming that it would respond with force to violations of the ceasefire.

      The declaration was sent to Reuters by Mohamed Rasheed, head of the group’s media office. The statement didn’t provide any details of the battle.

      The group has its base of operations in the cities of Idleb and Hama and was formed in August last year as an alliance of 16 separate rebel units. It claimed to be operating under the umbrella of the Free Syrian Army (FSA), a US-backed band of Syrian fighters.
      One of those groups, the Falcons of al-Ghab, was deemed moderate enough by Washington to be provided with BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles. It later merged with the powerful Islamist alliance called Ahrar Al-Sham along with two other rebel groups that formed Jaysh Al-Nasr.

      Damascus considers Ahrar Al-Sham terrorists and warned that it would not allow them to gain territory under the protection of the ceasefire, which was declared with US and Russian backing in February.

      READ MORE: Syrian MiG crashes in Hama ‘killing one pilot,’ jihadists claim attack – reports

      Jaysh Al-Nasr’s latest major act was claiming the downing of a Syrian Army Mig-21 on March 12 near the village of Kafr Nabudah. The rebels killed the pilots of the plane after they ejected and reached the ground.

  • Reply ↓
    James

    The “reboot” in “general terms”….

    The “reboot” is what gave the world the “handshakes”.
    Which is what “appears to have” made the aircraft “traceable”.

    The fact that the aircraft went “dark” to the civilian ATC at the FIR and “hand over” suggested “maximum confusion” was the order of the day.

    Crossing Malaysia, the aircraft would have been “visible” to military radar. Although not “identifiable” as “MAS370”

    Flying up the Malacca Straits (along a recognised “air way”), it would also be visible to military radar (of Malaysia and of Indonesia).
    Note… Indonesian civilian radar would not see it, Indonesian military would, but with no “alert” it would merely appear as “yet another aircraft on the same old route”.

    Towards Banda Aceh, military radar (Malaysian and Indonesian) would lose contact with it.

    And then the “funny business” starts.

    I believe here, a “solution” to a “previous problem” was made (attempted). And in doing so, unwittingly a “mistake” was made.

    I believe that “contact” with MH370 was made by Malaysian ATC (as per the log) and this was received by the aircraft.
    The “inoperative” system could/can still receive communications, BUT will not register that receipt back to the ground.

    Before the “final turn south”, whomever decided to “make sure” the system was “well and truly inoperative”.
    And in doing so, unwittingly “opened” the system again.
    Having previously “received” communications, it must have been one hell of a shock. But as this was still very much a “Malaysian issue” (and was indeed in Malaysian airspace), nothing was done/attempted.

    The “turn south” was the “biggy”. This would go “untracked” by everyone. Including military radar.
    But to ensure “everything was well and truly off” a final assault on the aircraft communication system was made…..and that was a mistake.

  • Reply ↓
    James

    No idea what it was about….

    ….but it is (or seems to be) a “manual take-over” of the aircraft.
    Key systems were (appear to be) such down. Thereafter the aircraft was flown (with definite skill and knowledge of the area and of the aircraft).

    The “re-boot” (which gave the “handshakes” thereafter) appears to be a mistake (a “double checking” as the aircraft was receiving information, but not transmitting any….and one would imagine it shouldn’t even be receiving information….but it can).

    Only AFTER this “error” was made, did the aircraft complete it’s “180” and head “due south”.
    That “sequence of events” would suggest it was a “concious effort”. Prior to this, it was traceable all the way towards Banda Aceh (albeit, only by primary/military radar).

    I believe “whomever” was flying (and it was flown), knew there would be “confusion” caused initially.
    Knew they were traceable.
    Knew not to “stray” towards Indonesia
    And knew a “false trail north” would add “more confusion” to the situation.

    Literally, at Banda Aceh “put a pin in a map, and draw a quarter circle from the southern point of the fuel exhaustion range, to the west” and that would have been the “search area”.
    A massive “pie shaped slice” of the Indian Ocean….and it would be “gone forever and ever”.

    Of course, this is IF you believe in the “handshakes” (which I personally do).
    But for that “sliver” of “hope” (in finding it’s final resting place), I believe the Malaysian Government would have been “removed”.

    Think about it. Absolutely “no trace” whatsoever. Not even a glimmer of a chance.
    Now that IS powerful.

  • Reply ↓
    Pink

    Is it a fact that Captain Shah was brought in as a replacment pilot and if so does anyone know why the sceduled pilot couldn’t fly ?

    I keep reading the different theorys and could be swayed by most of them as I dont have a wide enough knowledge to draw on, I suppose pilot suicide is top as so many of the people who should know e.g pilots think that way it’s certainly easier than trying to fathom all the other possibilities which seem to be many .
    It’s beginning to look like this is will go the way of the Al Hillis and I will always be wondering what the hell was that all about .
    Its disturbing that the general public seem to have come up with more of the plane than the entire search and rescue operation and the ongoing search vessels which have nada.

  • Reply ↓
    James

    Pink….

    Of course it is only “a theory”.

    But my basis is “why the very strange re-boot” and “what if that never re-boot happened”.

    Pilots are “funny folk” (as is any other “normal” cross-section of society). Who knows what was going on in the mind of the person (whoever it was) that was flying the aircraft that night.

    Many years after the crash of AF477 in the South Atlantic, it was “speculated” that the actions of Capt Dubios may have played more of a role in the crash, than what at first was suspected.

    Many people “speculated” that Capt Dubois had left the cockpit to have his “crew rest period” (the aircraft was “crewed heavy” with three pilots) with an “ulterior motive”. It is suspected he was having an affair with an Air France Flight Attendant (also onboard that flight, although off duty).
    As the aircraft approach “bad weather”, in an area known for it’s complications, with “junior pilots” in charge….
    ….Capt Dubois left the cockpit. It is speculated he had “other things on his mind”.
    Would that crash have happened, if a professional, focused, well rested, experienced Capt was flying ? I sincerely doubt it would have. The next question is “so why didn’t the other crew members request (in the most vocal terms possible) he remain on the flight deck at that critical time” ? That goes to the “Crew Resource Management” department, I’m afraid. Would a “junior pilot” stop his Capt “getting his leg-over” and “demand” his Capt assist in the flying. The answer lies at the bottom of the South Atlantic.

    So to MAS370. And so to “pure speculation”.
    I suspect three elements are at play with what we can “see” at the moment. 1. A certain knowledge of the B777 avionics and systems, beyond what is considered “normal knowledge”. 2. Flying skills, specifically on type. And 3. Local in-depth knowledge of that area.

    Given the above…..the finger points to the Capt. And if that is the case, do we have a “cat in hells chance” of knowing what was going on in his head ?

    Lets face it, we know little or nothing about the Capt…..
    It is said he became “politically active” prior to the events of that night.
    He was having “difficulties” in his marriage.
    And what of the mystery phone call he received, made from a number, the sim card of which was obtained in the name of a woman, using a false ID (who has not been traced OR has come forward).

    This “incident” may well be “more about Malaysia and it’s people (it’s culture, customs and government) than about flight safety” is what I would say.
    Did you know that “phone tapping” is perfectly legal in Malaysia. That’s under their Federal Constitution. And I bet “many” of the political opposition in Malaysia use “untraceable mobile numbers and sim cards”.

    Of note here is also the fact that the Search and Rescue mission, initially undertaken in the South China Sea the following morning, was done so by the S&R Commander…acting under his own initiative.
    The fact that “the tapes” of the Primary Radar tracks could have been pulled and analysed by then (and who knows if they weren’t already…or even “tracked live”) seems to have caused a storm “once”, but has since been forgotten.
    Think about it. Malaysian S&R began their initially search in an area “that it was known” the aircraft was not in.
    It was later moved to “the last point of contact”, which was in the Malacca Straits.

    Turning the whole thing on it’s head….. I am trying to think of it like this.
    What if there were no “handshakes” ?

    The search for MAS370 would be conducted by Malaysia and probably Indonesia.
    There would be no involvement of Australia (maybe a small search for debris in their vast area, possibly around Christmas Island) and a small search conducted by India (in the Bay of Bengal area).
    China may have sent ships into the Bay of Bengal, which would have been met by protests from India and some sabre rattling by them.
    A bright spark would draw a massive “pie shaped quarter circle”, based on “the last point of contact” and “fuel exhaustion calculations”, which would cover a HUGE amount of the Indian Ocean….and everyone would roll their eyes and whisper “not a chance”.

    Malaysia would be seen as “completely and utterly incompetent” and there would be no one to “diffuse” the situation or remove them from the international spot light.
    They would have lined up in their funny hats and pretend military uniforms (plastered in tinfoil medals) and they would have said “we don’t have a clue where that airliner went to”.

    Malaysian Airlines (and probably the Malaysia government) have been saved by IMARSAT and those little tiny brief megahertz of “handshakes”. That little “distraction” that possibly, just possibly, the wreckage of the aircraft can be found (although what difference it makes, I don’t know…. the “difference” has already been made).

    Lets face it, “Malaysia” already looks “bad” due to this. But how much worse would it have been ?

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