Oops – can anyone help? 23

Can anyone work out how to find the rest of this article?  Am I being particularly dense today?


Incidentally the date of January 1 1830 in the listing is entirely erroneous.  Yes, I know I can go to the British Library of Royal Society and look at the print version, but I don’t live in London and am trying to avoid that,


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23 thoughts on “Oops – can anyone help?

  • lucythediclonius

    I think registering helps possibly easier in an official capacity if your still affiliated with a university.

  • ValuePlus

    Notes on the Temperature of the Air and the Sea, &c., Made in a Voyage from England to India, in the Ship Hoogly, Capt. Reeves, in the Year 1833. [Abstract]
    If this is the article you are trying to access, I had no problem from my tablet. Try a different computer.

  • Rob

    I’m seeing this as a free ebook on Google, which should be downloadable as either an ePub or a PDF. I just downloaded it, so I know it works. Check page 317 (if that is the article you’re looking for):

    Otherwise, JSTOR should let you read 3 articles for free if you sign up and log in. I’ve done it before.

  • CanSpeccy

    January 22, 1835.

    JOHN WILLIAM LUBBOCK, Esq., Vice-President and Trea-
    surer, in the Chair.

    A paper was read, entitled, ” Notes on the Temperature of the Air
    and the Sea, &c, made in a Voyage from England to India, in the
    Ship Hoogly, Capt. Reeves, in the year 1833.” By Alexander Burnes,
    Esq., F.R.S.

    The observations contained in this communication are recorded in
    a tabular form, and show that the variations of the temperature of the
    sea accord very closely with those of the air, in all the latitudes
    which the author traversed in this voyage.


    That seems to be all there is. You want the tabulated data???!!

    It’s not obvious that the Royal Society has them on line.

  • Rob

    Right, I wasn’t sure if he was simply looking for the continuation of that particular Royal Society publication, which you linked to also, or the article itself, “Temperature of the Air and the Sea, &c,” by one Alexander Burnes. *shrug*

  • craig Post author

    Thanks – I was presuming the data follows on p.318, but evidently it doesn’t.

    Am confused by this, because he didn’t return to India on the Hoogly. He went the new route to Alexandria, then up the Nile and overland through Suez, then getting the Hugh Lindsay steamer down the Red Sea. First ever commercial voyage of the Hugh Lindsay, I think.

    Actually I think the mistake is in the title. It shouldn’t be “England to India” it should be “India to England” – he made the inward journey on the Hoogly.

  • rogger carff

    By the way, is this somehow related to the topic of how the English gov manipulated several Africa countries to give-up all their rights to using the waters of the Nile , so that the entire water belongs to Egypt? To this day? These countries are the headwater sources which eventually join to create the Nile. No, none, zip, zero headwaters are in Egypt.

    It’s a magnificent example of how the law is used to subvert the principles of law.

  • John Goss

    JSTOR is an example of how our education systems have changed. What used to be free you now have to pay for. I’ve written a few short articles for Notes & Queries and though I got offprints if I wanted a copy of my article I would have to pay. Slowly but surely we are phasing out something our nineteenth and early twentieth century ancestors fought for, free education for all. Soon you will need to be rich to go to university, or suffer the knowledge that all other students know your family is poor through some scholarship or means-tested bursary. I know of young people who are choosing apprenticeships or just menial work rather than come out of university £30,000 in debt.

    JSTOR is responsible for the death of a good man. Aaron Swartz believed, like our ancestors, that knowledge should be freely available. But he was hounded to death for trying to make it so.


  • craig Post author


    Yes, I absolutely agree. JSTOR is a disgrace, and it is a sad commentary on our world that the tragedy of Aaron Swartz did not provoke greater reaction.

    George Graham the basic rule of the blog is that people can say what they wish. I do ask people to discuss the topics and not attack each other, but only in extremis do I start deleting things. Mary is, I think you’ll find, a pretty tough lady and can take care of herself!

  • babushka

    John Gosh @10.13am

    I grew up isolated in the country in the fifties and sixties of poor parents. No way could I expect to attend university.

    Hairdressing and nursing were the respectable career choices for girls my age. And marriage to a man with a good job.

    I now know that education, real education, is not exactly what our governments are providing.

    Looking forward to healthier times.

  • Clark

    craig, 10:38 am:

    “…it is a sad commentary on our world that the tragedy of Aaron Swartz did not provoke greater reaction.”

    My experience is that people who get their news direct from the corporate media rather than via the Internet haven’t even heard of Aaron Swartz, nor Glenn Greenwald.

  • John Goss

    “I grew up isolated in the country in the fifties and sixties of poor parents. No way could I expect to attend university.”

    I remember what it was like. It was even harder in the thirties, though I only have second-hand testimony of this. A progressive novel along those lines is Winifred Holtby’s “South Riding” in which a gifted schoolgirl with all the potential of a university education could not take up a scholarship because, if I remember right, her mother died and the girl had the responsibility of bringing up her siblings. A teacher had every faith in the girl and set herself against the board of governors in working for a good education for girls as well as boys. So tragic.

  • Mary

    I loved that book John. It was also serialized on BBC 1. Winifred died aged 37 from Bright’s Disease. It is interesting that although she had a privileged upbringing, she had insight into different lives and sympathy for others. A feminist, socialist and pacifist. They don’t make them like that any more.

  • John Goss

    “They don’t make them like that any more.”

    Thankfully they do. I am sure people of a similar nature to Winifred Holtby will always exist. There are many examples among the Society of Friends of feminists, socialists and pacifists. But I realise of course you were talking about the general public.

  • babushka

    Sorry John for previously mis-spelling your name.

    I agree with you that there are still many really decent people who reach out to the less fortunate in order that they might have what they need in order to fulfil their potential, although we now know that this is often thwarted anyway, once these people do not comply to the prevailing culture.

    Right now I am hoping people around the world will stand with those who are suffering in the Ukraine, and all those whose family members who placed their fates in the hands of Malaysian Airlines; that the death certificates not be issued until they/we (the families and friends and global community) know the truth of this ‘mystery’.

  • John Goss

    “I loved that book John.”

    I meant to add: me too. I came across it through reading Vera Brittain’s “Testament of Youth” and “Testament of Friendship” (the friendship was with Winifred Holtby). These are two books I would also recommend, the first in particular because it demonstrates the heartache governments cause to ordinary individuals in their quests for power.

    Babushka, I agree that the ordinary people of the Ukraine should be supported, that there should be an elected government there, as there was before the western-engineered Maidan protests removed it from power. And, yes, planes don’t just disappear without a trace in this day and age, do they?

  • Ba'al Zevul (soy Marxista de tendencia Groucho)

    Craig – Jstor just holds the abstract, and probably just incidentally to the other items on that page. I’ve done a couple of keyword searches on Phil Trans RS’s archive – it’s extensive, and goes back to the 17th century – but it looks to me as if the ‘abstract’ is actually just a record of the speech’s having been given, and that the speech itself was not actually published. “Nature” can be equally annoying at that period. Maybe give the RS a shout to clarify the position, but that’s what it looks like.

    For instance:


  • Iain Orr

    Mary and John Goss – I was delighted to find two more admirers of Winifred Holtby – as a writer and as a person. There was a good entry on her in the DNB which I could forward if you send me an email address (mine is biodiplomacy [guess] yahoo [dot]co.uk ). The DNB entry on Dorothy Tutin notes that she had “a notable success as Sarah Burton in the thirteen-episode serialization of Winifred Holtby’s South Riding (1974).”

    Having a strong interest in St Helena, I was delighted to discover that she visited the island and had a far better impression of it than did Napoleon:

    “Never be sorry for Napoleon. St. Helena is exquisite,” the British novelist Winifred Holtby writes in a letter. It is 1926 and St. Helena is a port of call on Winifred’s sea voyage from England to South Africa. Winifred visits Napoleon’s last home Longwood which is “glowing and dancing in blue.” She mentions blue butterflies fluttering on the porch, heliotrope in their blueness dominating the flowers in the gardens, and far below the blue sheen of the sea.
    Miranda Kenrick “Never Feel Sorry for Napoleon” in Tokyo Weekender 18 May 2001

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