The Feminist Defence of Blowing Out the Brains of Small Children

by craig on April 9, 2014 8:05 pm in Uncategorized

The number of people still prepared to defend the Iraq War in public is tiny.  The interesting thing is the very strong correlation between those people, and those prepared to pretend to give credence to the farcical sexual allegations about Julian Assange.  Zoe Williams Guardian piece about what a jolly good chap Blair is I find breathtaking.  War crimes like Blair’s result in terrible anguish for millions.  I am prepared for purposes of argument to believe that Williams’ anguish for female victims of crime is genuine; why she can’t extend that to the tens of thousands of women who were raped because of Blair’s Iraq War, or had the still worse agony of seeing their children killed and mutilated I don’t know.  Nick Cohen is just very, very sad.  I just hold up these two in the hope that those deceived by feminist political correctness into following their lead against Assange will see to what they are subscribing.

Rather a side issue, but even if we accept Zoe Williams view that dead Iraqi children don’t matter, she appears not to have noticed that Blair introduced tuition fees, academies, kick-started NHS privatization, allowed the banksters’ bonanza leading to worldwide economic crash and oversaw the greatest widening of the gap between rich and poor in British history.

 

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  1. Moral people agonies over the debate of abortion; but feminists [Gloria Steinem] urge women to celebrate the act.

    Just another example of feminism being a cult of death.

  2. Abortion comes in the category of those things to which I am strongly opposed, but which I do not think ought to be illegal. I think in general the state interferes rather too readily, particularly as the state itself is scarcely a persistently ethical actor.

  3. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 8:56 pm

  4. ‘The State’, which entered the war under the banner of democracy, utilizes ‘feminism’, of which there is no obvious mechanism of democracy.

    Where does a woman go if she wishes to add to the feminist manifesto? Hence feminism is an anti-democratic tool for the State to effect policy through emotional propaganda.

  5. Blair & Co. also sent British troops into Helmand province in Afghanistan in 2006, with dreadful results for the people of that area.

    A new book by a former British army officer apparently sheds more light on our crimes there.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/army-historian-whose-book-on-helmand-was-blocked-by-the-mod-is-finally-cleared-to-publish-9249305.html

    (Previous useful accounts include “Investment in Blood; The True Cost of Britain’s Afghan War” by former advisor Frank Ledwidge and “Cables from Kabul; The Inside Story of the West’s Afghanistan Campaign” by former ambassador Sherard Cowper-Coles).

  6. Resident Dissident

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:12 pm

    The number of people still prepared to defend the Iraq War in public is tiny – yet 27% in the UK and 40% in the US still believe it was justified.

    http://research.yougov.co.uk/news/iraq/
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/1633/iraq.aspx

    And I saw another poll elsewhere identifying Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair as out two most popular ex Prime Ministers – although I daresay they both feature pretty highly on the unpopular lists as well.

  7. I am glad you said this Craig. I posted your earlier piece about Willams on the previous thread.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/07/another-vicious-ugly-souled-feminist/

    The Medialens contributors have wiped the floor with her too. She in inane but dangerous.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1396981230.html

    and

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1396980508.html

  8. Resident Dissident

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    On Tony Blair overeeing the greatest widening of the gap between rich and poor in British history – this is just not supported by the statistics

    http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN03870.pdf

  9. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    10 years after, 64% of Republicans still think Iraq and had WMD’s

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/iraq-wmd-poll-clueless-vast-majority-republicans_n_1616012.html

  10. PS Mod The previous thread (Andy Myles) seems to have picked up the same title as this one. ???

  11. Sorry to disappoint but I am very much of the opinion that the Iraq war was unjustified, I want to see Blair marched off to the ICC to face war crimes but also believe Assange should return to Sweden to face questions about alleged rape and face trial if that’s the way it goes. Both can plead not guilty and mount a defence in open court, just like anybody else.

    In all honesty, that’s how most people I know seem to see things so I don’t recognise the correlation you suggest. I’d also suggest that if you’re reduced to blaming all ills on ‘feminist political correctness’ in the 21st century, purely on the basis of one feminist woman defending Blair, then maybe you’ve got some issues to deal with.

    Williams’ article is nonsense and nowhere does she present a feminist argument in support of any of the points she makes. To conflate feminism with support for the Iraq war/blowing up children is therefore somewhat crass.

  12. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    Blair has done to labour what Bill Clinton and Obomber has done to Democrats.

    The Team of Rivals have coalesced or morphed into one group virtually indistinguishable with a few new window dressings.

  13. Andy

    You don’t disappoint – people are supposed to discuss, and they can’t do that very usefully if they don’t have differing views

  14. Perhaps those who think the Iraq war was justified (above @ 9.12pm) contributed to this poll which John Pilger referred to in his piece dated 7 February 2014 from which this is an extract.

    ‘On Harvey’s Today programme I referred to a poll conducted by ComRes last year that asked people in Britain how many Iraqis had been killed as a result of the 2003 invasion. A majority said that fewer than 10,000 had been killed: a figure so shockingly low it was a profanity.

    I compared this with scientific estimates of “up to a million men, women and children [who] had died in the inferno lit by Britain and the US”. In fact, academic estimates range from less than half a million to more than a million. John Tirman, the principal research scientist at the MIT Centre for International Studies, has examined all the credible estimates; he told me that an average figure “suggests roughly 700,000”. Tirman pointed out that this excluded deaths among the millions of displaced Iraqis, up to 20% of the population.’

    /..
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/07/west-criminal-bloodbath-iraq-media-cover-up

  15. I think people believe what they do about Iraq because of a perception about terrorism created in the US/UK/corporatist media during 2002 and relentlessly maintained to present day. Why? I think in the UK this has become all about saving Tony Blair’s neck, but it probably started with Tony’s visit to the ranch in Texas.

  16. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:01 pm

    Brilliant click bait.

  17. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:05 pm

    Of course Zoe Williams is a woman and therefore her tarnished view deserves to be tarnished with the tarnished word ‘feminist’ (spit) – despite the fact that the piece contains not a single mention of those pesky women, or of feminism.

  18. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:22 pm

    Tech; I think Craig’s point is that feminist issues have a friendly ally..(same in US with Obomber) and gratitude for incremental advances in social evolution is what drives their support.

    It’s thin gruel but they wish to keep the pot on the fire.

  19. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:26 pm

    If that is indeed Craig’s point then he should make it. However, since I believe I saw you quoting RAWA earlier you will know that this is in any case a lame and midstream reading of the real facts.

  20. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:26 pm

    It would be unfair to say he is pandering to a sector of the electorate, but what genuine convictions has he shown?

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/28/3219231/obama-feminist-mad-men/

  21. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:29 pm

    Tech; I think you are misreading it as Paternalism, but whatevs.

  22. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:30 pm

    Surely you are not actively trying to divert attention from the original post.

  23. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:31 pm

    What you think I am ‘reading it as’ is irrelevant. It is what it is and the fact is that Zoe Williams is – good grief – being used to berate and deride ‘feminism’ (spit) because she is a woman.

  24. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    As i said, great click bait. Well done, Craig.

  25. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    Why don’t you email Craig? I mean, if that’s the only solution to your pique.

  26. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:35 pm

    But yes, Ben, of course, things get twisted into supporting the status quo – I remember the ‘black’ community being delighted about the election of Obama because they really believed this was someone who would stand up for universal human rights.

  27. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    Oh, or perhaps I should just bitch about him on another blog. But I think enough interaction – I hope the perpipatectic mods delete this one.

  28. A propos the ‘sad’ Nick Cohen, this is what I e-mailed to his sadness on 26 January 2014 (Nick hasn’t replied so far):

    Dear Nick,

    In your July 2004 tribute to Paul Foot, you mention that Foot “burst out laughing when he discovered that the sacked civil servant he was defending admired Margaret Thatcher more than any other politician.”

    I should like to point out that the “The Iron Lady” has never been my favourite politician.

    Cheers,

    Patrick Haseldine
    Emeritus Professor of Lockerbie Studies

    (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Paul_Foot)

  29. Of course the Iraqi war wasn’t justified. It was horrible, homicidal, obscenely destructive, completely insane and ultimately just disgusting.

    But do we not, somehow, get the leaders we deserve?

    You can, for example, still read either explicit or implicit suggestions that the existence of “weapons of mass destruction” (and I still don’t know exactly how those are defined, but I did note that the Boston bombers were charged with using them, so it seems that they can be small enough to fit in a back-pack) would have justified the war. In other words, had Bliar been telling the truth about those and not lying through his bridgework it would all have been ok. No, it wouldn’t! The possession of weapons is a state’s sovereign right. If possession of weapons of mass destruction were a cause for war, we could have attacked France – it’s closer. Actually, we could have attacked ourselves. People who claim to have been duped by Blair & Co. into supporting the war by the false W.M.D. claim – including many in Parliament who really should have known better – are merely trying to obfuscate their own wilful credulity.

  30. Overnight (7th April) hundreds of comments on the Williams piece were removed.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/andy-myles/comment-page-6/#comment-451288

    The number now is 2328 which is probably a fraction of those submitted.

  31. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:46 pm

    The fact is that Zoe Williams’ piece does not contain a single mention of women or feminism. Why does the title of this blog post not read ‘The Defence of Blowing Out the Brains of Small Children’?

  32. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:48 pm

    Because the piece didn’t actually defend it, is that why?

  33. I think it’s pretty unfair to blame all feminists for some of them backing the Iraq war.

  34. Though it’s true there are several feminist columnists in the Guardian and Independent (Burchill etc) who are pro- Iraq war and pretty much just hate all men and to that extent i agree with you.

  35. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:13 pm

    Gosh, that’s nice of you Duncan – I’m an equalitist myself but I try not to blame all Christians for the Iraq war either.

  36. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:15 pm

    oh, brilliant, we’re basing our views on female emancipation (they didn’t have the fecking vote here! and were unable to own fecking property fere! and they can be legally raped in Afghanistan) on Julie fecking Burchill?

  37. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:51 pm

    What on earth has any of that to do with Zoe Williams’ piece?

  38. BrianFujisan

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:59 pm

    The US and Britain’s Paedophile Colony

    by Felicity Arbuthnot

    On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.

    Iraq was, prior to the invasion, a fiercely secular country, with a broadly equal male, female workforce and with women benefiting from a National Personal Status Law, introduced in 1959, which remained “one of the most liberal in the Arab world, with respect to women’s rights.”

    The legal age for marriage was set at eighteen, forced marriages were banned and polygamy restricted. Cohesion between communities was enhanced and fostered by “eliminating the differential treatment of Sunnis and Shiites under the law (and erasing differentiation) between the various religious communities …” Women’s rights in divorce, child custody and inheritance were an integral part of the Law, with Article 14 stating that all Iraqis are equal under the law.

    Equality was swept away from the first day of the invasion when George W. Bush and his Administration started to talk of Sunni, Shiite, Kurds, Christians and other religions and ethnicities and also effectively selecting the overseers of the “New Iraq” not by ability but by religion and ethnicity, effectively pitching Iraqi against Iraqi in what, for all the complexities, had been a very cohesive society. “Divide and rule” pervaded all.

    So far, however, the Personal Status Law still stands, if largely ignored by the US backed Parliament and a largely – with honourable and courageous exceptions – woefully wanting judiciary. The draft law, if ratified, as it is aimed to be after the April elections, would sweep its admirable provisions aside and turn Iraq in to a paedophiles’ paradise.

    This outrageous plan was first mooted as early as December 2003, just eight months after the invasion, by Abdel Aziz al Hakim, who heads the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq. He cancelled the Personal Status Law when President of the Interim Governing Council. Due to opposition by women and others within the Council and from many civil and women’s organizations, the decision was revoked by Paul Bremer, arguably the only thing he got right during his woeful, ill informed tenure.

    More from Felicity Arbuthnot’s Piece @

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/the-us-and-britains-paedophile-colony/

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:12 am

    “On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.”
    _________________

    A draft law, Fujisan, a draft law. Which means that it is not yet law. And may in fact never become law.

    So I advise you to hold on for a while before choking with righteous wrath.

  40. And whilst we’re on about Blood thirsty psychopath Bliar… Another great Piece By – Again Felicity A…. which includes a mention Of Craig – in Nicholas Wood’s Letter Below

    ” One man is incandescent about the appointment of Peter Welby and has written to his father in no uncertain terms”.

    Nicholas Wood is author of “War Crime or Just War? The Case Against Blair”, a meticulous legal compilation of just that. Wood, is also Secretary of the Blair War Crimes Foundation. He writes:

    The Archbishop of Canterbury.

    Canterbury Cathedral.

    Dear Sir,

    I enclose my book on Blair, and also a letter to the Prime Minister on his criminality. Though quite why I bother to pay the postage I don’t know.

    I cannot comprehend that you are someone who is supposed to think every day of moral values but not realise that Blair is a very dangerous psychopath, who, as well as causing untold devastation and misery in Iraq, wishes to extend that violence into Syria and Iran to protect Israel.

    If you read page 570 of his autobiography you might possibly see what I mean.”

    Referring to Blair’s advisory position to various heads of State, including Uzbekistan, of which former Ambassador Craig Murray blew the whistle on mind numbing torture, he states: “ Your son will be benefiting, indirectly of coursei from money obtained from despots who boil their victims. This, under the guise of piety.

    I was brought up as a child, a long time ago, to think of Thomas A Becket as a Saint, who resisted the power of a military state, and paid the price with his life. I cannot see you doing that.

    I also was brought up to worship the medieval beauty of Canterbury, it’s stones and it’s stained glass. If stones could weep they would be weeping now.

    Yours faithfully,

    Nicholas Wood, MA

    The full Piece… AGAIN BY Felicity A. @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/if-stones-could-weep-syria-blairs-plans-and-an-archbishops-son/5377266

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:36 am

    Enticing as the thought of Blair being hauled before an international criminal court might be, it’s not going to happen – ever.

    So I do wish full and candidate members of the Egregiousness of Excellences would stop getting their rocks off with all this cutting and pasting of letters, petitions, manifestos, “thoughts”, etc etc on this notion. It’s pure phantasy and wishful thinking, which probably makes the posters feel better about themselves and life in general but which is boring in the extreme for the rest of us.

    ***************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  42. Sorry, I posted the above on the previous thread, then thought I’d made a mistake cos the thread was called … well, the same title as this one … so I posted it on this one instead, only to find out that I was right first time …. and then my head exploded ….

    MOD … you’d better check out the Andy Myles thread, title plus Craig’s post.

    [Fixed, hopefully. Post another comment if anything still seems wrong now. Duplicate comment deleted.]

  43. A Node, I had that problem too. In fact I commented on it. So it must be a general fault rather than computer specific.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/andy-myles/comment-page-7/#comment-451808

    Off to bed now.

  44. Gloria Steinem discussing (a little bit of) her time “alongside” the freedom-lovers of Langley

    http://youtu.be/4HRUEqyZ7p8

  45. Faux-Feminist’s Ridiculous “Women Under Siege” Syria Map
    CIA Asset Gloria Steinem’s “Women Under Siege” Joins Syrian Propaganda Campaign.
    by Tony Cartalucci

    April 14, 2012 – Ironically, faux-feminist Gloria Steinem’s “Women Under Siege’s” latest campaign to demonize the Syrian government in tandem with the US State Department and its vast stable of media and intelligence assets, stands to set the stage for extremist ideologues to overrun Syria, ending its secular society and entirely stripping away the “women’s rights” Steinem claims to have spent a lifetime fighting for.

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/faux-feminists-ridiculous-women-under.html

  46. It’s a strange place that band wagon in which the crazed ride.

    “Ban bossy” to re-instate the female gender or to alter perception on a way we perceive girls. Yet the entire media establishment use the term ” child pornography”
    Wrong, it should never be called such and always be called what it is.
    Abuse, exploitation, indecency!

    We are not devising correct tactics to combat wrong doin amongst the astranged masses.
    Our use of terms for wrongs is paramount.

    The “Iraq war” – really….

  47. Enticing as the thought of Blair being hauled before an international criminal court might be, it’s not going to happen – ever. …. Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) ! 10 Apr, 2014 – 12:36 am

    Such might be something Mr Blair might consider highly desirable when an increasingly likely alternative mirrors the fate of Jürgen Frick, 48, the chief executive of the Liechtenstein private bank Bank Frick [Bank chief Jürgen Frick shot dead by ‘Robin Hood of Liechtenstein’] because of the following consideration, which has been aired and shared recently in a number of places elsewhere.

    Mon, 04/07/2014 – 15:09 amanfromMars setting the record straight on http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-07/ceo-liechtenstein-bank-frick-murdered

    Up until now it was mostly banker suicides. With the first open bank CEO murder, one wonders if there will be a change in the pattern.

    As people get smarter and information more specific and revealing, are pattern changes inevitable and more focussed on problem source corrections than problem result accommodations.

    And banking is not the only field to expect unprecedented novel action and radical proaction dealing with individuals rather than tilting at metaphorical windmills in attacking corporations and collective bodies, which are just as smoke and mirror shields behind which languish persons of interest feted and destined to become targets of revenge and rough common law justice, madness and despair …….. http://www.ur2die4.com/140328/

    And it is only natural to expect such to be the normal course of future events if change in dodgy inequitable systems is not to be embraced and led from the front by those hiding in the shadows and directing operations from the back.

  48. I read Felicity Arbuthnot’s pieces too Brian. The newest deals with the son of our Jewish! Archbishop of Canterbury (YCNMIU) joining BLiar’s Faith Foundation and these ridiculous articles posted on the website.

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/syria%E2%80%99s-fragmented-extremists

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/good-government-issue

    Felicity has a long and deep knowledge of Iraq and the people whom she loves. You see that she is heartbroken at what has been done to the country and to the people if you read her essays.

    PS I see that BLiar has enrolled Martin Bright of the JC to write on the FF blog.
    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blog/user/13537

    All FF bloggers are tainted by association with the arch war criminal.

  49. As I see it Zoe Williams is an establishment spokesperson commissioned to try and give Blair’s name a sanitised image after earlier revelations this week that the war criminal knew about the torture and rendition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10747166/Tony-Blair-knew-all-about-CIA-secret-kidnap-programme.html

    Even if some of what she says is true Mark Antony’s oration over the body of Caesar comes to mind. “The evil that men do lives after them . . .”

    Zoe Williams, if she really believes the tosh she writes, is as bad as Blair himself – who is still proud of what he did in Iraq and would do it again. Neither have any shame. I pointed out yesterday, or the day before, that Nick Clegg’s initiative about providing school meals in the first three years of a child’s life was a good thing. You cannot be in office for years on end without having achieved anything. But Blair’s record as a war-criminal casts a huge black shadow over anything positive he may have done.

    The other big error in her article is a comparison between Blair’s government and the coalition. She cannot even see that these are different faces of the same coin.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:14 am

    AmanfromMars writes

    “Enticing as the thought of Blair being hauled before an international criminal court might be, it’s not going to happen – ever. …. Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) ! 10 Apr, 2014 – 12:36 am

    Such might be something Mr Blair might consider highly desirable when an increasingly likely alternative mirrors the fate of Jürgen Frick, 48, the chief executive of the Liechtenstein private bank Bank Frick [Bank chief Jürgen Frick shot dead by ‘Robin Hood of Liechtenstein’]”
    _________________

    Sounds a little like a hope…and even an incitement? Be careful.

  51. AManfromMars I do not see a narcissistic psychopath like Blair ever committing suicide. He possesses no guilty conscience.

    Many bankers though are committing suicide as Max Keiser was saying in a conversation with Stacy Herbert on RT.

    ‘Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the poor players that are the empires that strut and fret their weapons upon the world stage. The consequences of the tall tales told by neocon idiots full of sound and fury is that the young refuse to rise up and, instead, meekly visit the food bank. In the second half, Max interviews artist, Alex Schaefer, about ‘burning banks’ and the Global Insurrection Against Banker Occupation. Max watches as Alex ‘burns down’ HSBC on set while describing the current absence of artist activism.
    http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-586-max-keiser-385/

  52. I have a tiny bit of sympathy with the view that Blair (and his ministerial team, riven though it was by Brown/Blair dysfunctionalities) did some good things. The same goes for Mrs Thatcher. However, in Blair’s case it is striking how even the good policies were flawed. For instance, the manifesto commitment to Freedom of Information was implemented slowly, the scope was reduced, the resources to support it limited .. and the fact that even this emasculated legislation helped to hold the government to account led Blair to disown his own legislation as a mistake.

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:18 am

    From Mary

    “I read Felicity Arbuthnot’s pieces too Brian. The newest deals with the son of our Jewish! Archbishop of Canterbury (YCNMIU…”
    ______________

    Does Justin Welby have some Jewish blood from the (more or less) distant past?

    The Nazis used to go back to a person’s grandparents to rule whether someone would be considered Jewish.

    How far back would Mary go?

    Very sinister.

  54. I have some sympathy with Hababkuk’s point that banging on about Blair is boring, but I’m going to do it anyway.

    Resident Dissident said last night that Thatcher and Blair were our two most popular ex-Prime Ministers. This is because they were both conviction politicians.

    Peacewisher is quite wrong in thinking Blair went wrong on a Texan ranch. Long before that he was on a mission to destroy the Islamic world’s political power. If you don’t believe me read Seldon’s biography or Rawnsley on the first Labour government.

    And in my view Zoe Williams has a point at least in that it is foolish to underestimate the political skills of Blair. I actually applaud what he did in Northern Ireland and Koxovo, and especially in NI I can’t think of any other contemporary politician who could have achieved what he did.

    Blair should not be underestimated especially as he seems to be trying harder than ever to make a comeback.

    Finally I think Craig has a point about feminism as ably demonstrated above by BrianFujisan. Increasingly in fundamentalist Islamic areas women are being routinely crucified, having their health ruined for life by early childbirth all because stupid men want to know their wives are virgins. To ignore the destruction of what seems to have been a sophisticated and in many ways enlightened civilisation in Iraq, despite Saddam,is puzzling for a feminist.

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:22 am

    Compare and contrast…and then wonder

    AmanfromMars : “[Bank chief Jürgen Frick shot dead by ‘Robin Hood of Liechtenstein’]”

    Mary : “I do not see a narcissistic psychopath like Blair ever committing suicide.”

    ????????

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Conjunction

    I have no problem with people examining what might have made Blair tick and similar activities. After all, we still welcome new biographies of other, long-dead British political personalities as new evidence or new takes come to light or are advanced.

    What is extremely boring is this constant phantasizing about international criminal courts, citizen’s arrests and so on. It’s boring because it’s grounded not in reality (actual or foreseeeable) but simply represents the expression of inner rage. I suppose I don’t see this blog as a pyschologist’s couch.

  57. ‘I suppose I don’t see this blog as a pyschologist’s couch.’

    V funny remark in view of its provenance.

    PS Sp. psychologist not pissologist.@)

  58. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/another-trader-commits-suicide

    Staggering statistics for this year alone.

    This latest death brings the recent banker death tally to 10:

    1 – William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.

    2 – Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.

    3 – Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.

    4 – Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.

    5 – Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.

    6 – Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.

    7 – Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago. No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.

    8 – Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.

    9 – James Stuart Jr, Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say what caused the death

    10 – Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47, a trader at Midtown’s Vertical Group, committed suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train

  59. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:57 am

    I think Craig is complaining about what Williams didn’t say – she skated elegantly round Iraq – rather than what she did. There’s an awful lot of space to play in the field of what people don’t say, and IMO if they’re not too important, like Williams, it’s probably a waste of time going there.

    Most of the usual points re. Blair were made in three uncontested letters to the editor in the same (print) issue. (CiF is generally a nonsense, and censored by any intern not currently making coffee for the subs – also under continuous pressure from CiF Watch – a hasbara outfit.)

    Williams eulogised Blair’s reforms without managing to mention PFI – which is actually worse than privatisation, because the taxpayer continues to pay for the service, plus thirty years’ interest, or his and Brown’s massive borrowing against the assumption that the derivatives bubble, of which Blair was sublimely unaware, would continue to grow indefinitely…or selling the gold reserve at a discount…or….or… So much was unsaid.

    Me, I think they put Williams’ thoughts in because Blair had been pontificating in the paper the previous day, and they needed a positive thinkpiece by someone whose strong stomach reduced the risk of an in-desk vomiting event. As has been noted above, hardline feminists are quite capable of toeing the Tony line, possibly because for some unfathomable reason they want his babies.

    IOW, pffft.

  60. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:05 am

    And Nick Cohen is an evil POS. IMO.

  61. To continue my point on out use of language and the decisions that are foundered, i turn on the radio 5 and their is a reference to Ben Dover the adult film actor.
    7.20 on mainstream media.
    There are forces of manipulation that encourage war mentality.

  62. It says a lot about a person’s humanity, nevermind moral compass, that they think killing & mass misery can be thought of as a political consideration that bears any sort of political comparison; the life of one single person is not worth knocking x pence of income tax or raising the minimum wage by x pounds; if they really think that human life is not so precious, especially for an self-righteous “Greater Cause”, then why don’t they validate their conviction by placing themselves in real danger for a real worthwhile cause, instead of white-washing the murder of others; if Zoe Williams, even now, adopted an Iraqi orphan & brought that child up as her own child, she would still be an obscene apologist for mass murder, albeit a slightly less sickening hypocritical one.

    Even if Blair really did bring peace to NI & saved lives in Sierra Leone, a once modern country, the size of France, has been destroyed & turned a literal Hell on Earth at the expense of countless lives:

    “The modern, educated, advanced nation of Iraq was reduced to a quasi failed state … the Americans, beginning in 1991, bombed for 12 years, with one dubious excuse or another; then invaded, then occupied, overthrew the government, tortured without inhibition, killed wantonly … the people of that unhappy land lost everything – their homes, their schools, their electricity, their clean water, their environment, their neighborhoods, their mosques, their archaeology, their jobs, their careers, their professionals, their state-run enterprises, their physical health, their mental health, their health care, their welfare state, their women’s rights, their religious tolerance, their safety, their security, their children, their parents, their past, their present, their future, their lives … More than half the population either dead, wounded, traumatized, in prison, internally displaced, or in foreign exile … The air, soil, water, blood, and genes drenched with depleted uranium … the most awful birth defects … unexploded cluster bombs lying in wait for children to pick them up … a river of blood running alongside the Euphrates and Tigris … through a country that may never be put back together again. … “It is a common refrain among war-weary Iraqis that things were better before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003,” reported the Washington Post. (May 5, 2007)“

    http://williamblum.org/aer/read/127

  63. Hababbkuk, I am a bit more paranoid than you. I think they wheeled in Zoe Williams – perhaps she even had a little chat with Tony first – to rally the troops for Tony’s next campaign. She actually writes well and the points she makes are eloquently put.

    Another thing she doesn’t mention of course is that when Blair started rabbiting on in cabinet about Iraq the entire cabinet including Straw thought he was off his rocker, just like the Tory cabinet did when Thatcher started saying ‘We’ve got to destroy the Unions’ in about 1980.

    However both cabinets, seeing the chance of getting their parties in for a stretch behind a strong leader had a couple of pints and chucked their principles out of the window for the duration.

    These lickspittles are mostly the ones now who are going ‘Ah, yes Iraq, tut tut’, and dissing their leader to anyone who’ll listen.

    At least Straw is still standing up for the things he never believed in in the first place.

  64. Sorry the above should be addressed to Ba’al, not Hababbkuk!

  65. Equality has come a long way since Pankhurst….
    Bravo Craig, this nail was asking to be hit on the head for some time. Women can be as ruthless as men, as to why, how and for what reasons is open to debate.
    I also support RAWA because they did their utmost when it was dearly needed, sensible tasks in Afghanistans health and social care, under threat of death, don’t think they would take Blairs side.

    I heard a 1960’s photographer/reporter speak on TV whilst writing something, she was a 1960’s celeb photographer and journo, I beleieve working for the Observer, she was speaking on taking Blairs portrait during the early seventies, she summed it up as ‘the moment he entered the room I felt uncomfortable and the photo I took was not natural, I could not find his natural side, it was impossible to draw out, he was weird’
    sadly can’t remember her name, something Molly or Polly, not sure, but the way she said it made it obvious that she did not like him on sight.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:36 am

    Conjunction –
    I think your paranoia may be justified; that would make sense. Your confusion of Me with the other entity is well out of order, though. :-(

  67. Conjunction. “This is because they were both conviction politicians.”

    In my book they should both be convicted politicians.

  68. “I suppose I don’t see this blog as a pyschologist’s couch.”

    No, you don’t, its more like an annonymous hole in the wall in some dinghy peepshow for you, somewhere to get off all over people.

    Your insunuations, always running in the background, are rude and facetious, your non participation is legend and sadly, so limiting to your very own self.

  69. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:40 am

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Apr, 2014 – 12:36 am

    “It’s pure phantasy…”

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Apr, 2014 – 9:29 am

    “…constant phantasizing…”

    verb
    “…variant spelling of fantasize (restricted to archaic uses or, in modern use, to the fields of psychology and psychiatry).”

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/phantasize

    Very strange!

  71. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 11:18 am

    Four letters re. the Williams piece in today’s print Guardian. One weakly supportive of Williams, the others point out the holes in her account; all critical of Blair.

    Tony Blair = Toxic Brand

  72. conjunction 10 Apr, 2014 – 10:21 am

    “Hababbkuk, I am a bit more paranoid than you. I think they wheeled in Zoe Williams – perhaps she even had a little chat with Tony first – to rally the troops for Tony’s next campaign. She actually writes well and the points she makes are eloquently put.”

    If you’re right, maybe this recent hagiography by Bob Geldof, also in the Guardian, is less than coincidence:
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/mar/02/bob-geldof-africa-tony-blair

  73. Nevermind. It was Jane Bown. She was brilliant.

    Jane Bown: ‘There was nothing there with Blair’
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546OT_ViFdo

    What a marvellous photograph of Bertrand Russell in profile she produced and isn’t she unassuming.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_photographers#United_Kingdom

  74. Mary, Jane Bown’s assessment of Tony Blair is a classic put-down. She reminds me of the Conservative lady who described him as “smarmy” before his first term of office. I wish I had listened to her. Instead I wasted my vote in helping to elect the evil warmonger. It was the last time. Blair killed my association with the Labour Party. Blair’s father was a Tory. He inherited the gene.

  75. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:18 pm

    LOL @ A Node’s Geldof contribution. Certainly shows how slebs can get it disastrously wrong. For all the fine words, Gleneagles achieved precisely zero – a generally and rightly forgotten event. Though it helped set up Blair’s diary and contacts list for his lucrative private operation.

    A bit from my link above:

    Blair represented the desertion by Labour of the social democratic gains of the post-war period. New Labour placed far greater emphasis on the vacuous New than on the Labour. He wasn’t just a warmonger abroad but someone who pushed through private finance initiatives and deregulation at home, who allowed inequality to prosper, and who displaced blame for social ills onto the victims.

    The state became not a support and provider for people from cradle to grave, but increasingly a facilitator of greater enrichment for private business, bankers and speculators. And it became increasingly coercive too, both at home and abroad. There was growth in state-sanctioned Islamophobia, the erosion of civil liberties, and an increase in the surveillance state; subservience to the White House in the ‘war on terror’ meant participation in rendition and complicity in torture.

    Re. which, compare and contrast:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4627360.stm
    and
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17682879
    also
    http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/07/15/uk-sought-rendition-of-british-nationals-to-guantanamo-tony-blair-directly-involved/

    with:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10747166/Tony-Blair-knew-all-about-CIA-secret-kidnap-programme.html

  76. Habbabkuk; “A draft law, Fujisan, a draft law. Which means that it is not yet law. And may in fact never become law”

    Actually according to the Telegraph, it “looks likely to pass”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10753645/Iraq-ready-to-legalise-childhood-marriage.html

    Re topic of thread, this comment seems to appropiate;

    “This should be OK as well:

    Mr. Jonesxxx is a paedophile and he rapes children in Malaysia and kill them in the process, after torturing them of course. But here at home (UK) he is is an exemplary citizen, pays taxes, gives money to charity organizations, and work hard for his country. Anyway, Malaysia is very far away, and who cares?

    What about that?

    PS: please, don’t tell me that th example doesn’t apply. If you do that I would ask for you to tell the families of all the civilian killed during the invasion and afterwards, all the tortured and imprisoned people, that Tony Blair and his master (Bush) were very good politicians because they cared for the people of their country”

  77. Ba’al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow’s Friday) 10 Apr, 2014 – 12:18 pm

    “LOL @ A Node’s Geldof contribution. Certainly shows how slebs can get it disastrously wrong.”

    Oh, I don’t know, I think Geldof achieved exactly what he intended ….

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:40 pm

    Mary

    Rather than focussing on my inadvertent mispelling of ‘psychologist’, you would do better to tell us why you consider the idea that someone in public life might have had a Jewish ancestor so important. And why you consider it important enough to bring it to our attention.

    This is Craig’s blog and not Stormfront or one of those other more than dubious websites.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:43 pm

    I also wonder why the other Eminences – usually so vocal when a poster remarks on a public figure’s ethnic or religious background – remain so silent when Mary’s off on one of her find-the-Jewish-ancestor hunts.

    Is it the silence of agreement or the silence of embarrassment?

    *************

    Buy US dollars, sterling and shekels!

  80. How anyone can justify on any basis the Iraq War – what Dr. David Kelly was murdered for trying to prevent, and Blair covered up by getting stooge Brian Hutton to do all the necessary dirty work – is beyond me.

    Saddam’s ouster was thrown in by Washington’s neocons after the attempt to stop the 19 hijackers turned into a massive cock-up which murdered 3,000 innocent Americans, but Blair still supported is just state terrorism carried to extreme lengths.

    Without it, the Middle East would have been more manageable problems, but with it, the area is just a massive mess.

  81. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    Conjunction

    “Sorry the above should be addressed to Ba’al, not Hababbkuk!”
    ______________

    No problem, Conjunction! I’ll be positive (sorry, Excellences, I know it’s like farting at a reception) and assume that you don’t consider me to be paranoid :)

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:51 pm

    Nevermind

    “Women can be as ruthless as men, as to why, how and for what reasons is open to debate.”
    _______________

    Probably, Nevermind, because they’re human? You shouldn’t put any category or group on a pedestal, you know!

  83. Habbabkuk is not much good at working things out, is he?

    Nevermind. There are female psychopaths too. At a lower percentage of the population than the male.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

  84. “Women’s rights” has been used extensively as justification for NATO/Western attacks in Afghanistan. I haven’t found any articles by Zoe Williams specifically about that, but here she is praising UK military education for people, mostly male (the article refers to “boys”), as young as sixteen:

    http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2014/feb/21/why-army-education-is-hard-not-to-admire

    The article also links to a timeline, “British forces’ century of unbroken warfare”, something that Habbabkuk recently claimed was false:

    http://interactive.guim.co.uk/embed/2014/feb/100-years-of-war/index.html

    (Javascript required for above link.)

  85. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 1:10 pm

    Just a reminder that the 7/7 London bombings occurred during the G8, from which Blair was flown by Chinook to RAF Leuchars the next day* for a plane home. And the bombings may well have been a direct response to Blair’s enthusiastic participation in Afghanistan and Iraq. Reminder:

    On 6 July 2006, a videotaped statement by Shehzad Tanweer was broadcast by Al-Jazeera. In the video, which may have been edited[12] to include remarks by al-Zawahiri who appeared in Khan’s video, Tanweer said:
    “ What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.”

    *He announced he was leaving Gleneagles just an hour after he had advised the public not to make unnecessary journeys…

  86. Jane Bown, on photographing Blair:

    ‘There was nothing to capture’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546OT_ViFdo

    That’s quite significant coming from an artist, and particularly of portraiture.

    I’d have much preferred she developed that theme than listen to 6 Pilgers patronising tone.

  87. “On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.”

    Iran of course already has such a law

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9500484/Alarm-as-hundreds-of-children-under-age-of-10-married-in-Iran.html

    We forget that such things are driven by religion and that child brides still existed within Christianity until recently. As an agnostic living in a largely secular democracy, I find the whole thing abhorrent – but then I would.

  88. Mary

    Could we have a full biography of your father so that we can all play the game of visiting the sons of the father on the child? You really are incorrigible.

  89. The point about child bride legislation in Iraq is that it did NOT exist in Saddam’s time prior to the Bush Blair onslaught that laid waste the country and wrecked its institutions. The Sunni Shia divide did not exist and there was very little acrimony in a multiple society. You should keep up and I suggest you read Felicity Arbuthnot and William Blum. Keep up why don’t you or are you being deliberately obtuse.

  90. “Buy US dollars, sterling and shekels!”

    it shrieks.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, people are buying Renmimbi.

    You can open a Yuan account at HSBC or Bank of China. Certainly worth considering before the western financial system collapses:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/05/09/why-investors-should-buy-chinese-yuans/

  91. @Goss

    “Blair killed my association with the Labour Party.”

    Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators.

  92. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 1:29 pm

    Could we have a full biography of your father so that we can all play the game of visiting the sons of the father on the child? You really are incorrigible. (@ Mary)

    Personal attack.

    “Blair killed my association with the Labour Party.”

    Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators. (@JG)

    Personal attack.

    Mods?

  93. Habbabkuk, when you visit this blog, do you realise what this site is, why you find so much negativity here, and why you’re often considered disruptive?

    This little blog is part of democracy’s conscience; that is the vital function being performed here. It has developed around the conscientious actions of a single individual, and has attracted many contributors who also feel that there are injustices to report; hence what you deride as “negativity”.

    If you disrupt conscience, you nurture psychopathy.

  94. ESLO, 1:22 pm

    “Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators.”

    As, I believe, was Stalin.

  95. Ba’al Zevul

    You of course missed the personal attacks on Welby and Blair – but that is ok in your book I presume?

  96. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 1:43 pm

    You of course missed the personal attacks on Welby and Blair – but that is ok in your book I presume?

    They post here?

  97. “there was very little acrimony in a multiple society”

    Complete and utter bollocks – why did all those people flee the country, why did Saddam invade his neighbours, why so much torture and killing of political opponents, why the appalling treatment of the Kurds and Marsh Arabs, why the victimisation of trade unionists etc. etc. Please stop rewriting history – you can argue about the rights and wrongs of the war, but to pretend everything was sweetness and light beforehand is a complete fantasy and fabrication.

  98. They post here?

    Why is that of relevance – is insulting people behind their backs somehow better?

  99. “As, I believe, was Stalin.”

    I believe he used rather different means – they would probably fall within MAry’s definition of “very little acrimony in a multiple society”.

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