The Blair Legacy

by craig on June 12, 2014 9:34 am in Uncategorized

For years, neo-con apologists for the invasion of Iraq have parroted the lie that at least life is better than it was under Saddam Hussein. That was always blatantly untrue, from the massive destruction of water, power and healthcare infrastructure; not to mention the million dead, two million maimed and five million displaced. The neo-con commentators, of course, have not actually been there. Those of us who have, found the situation far worse than anything reported in the mainstream media. Indeed, perhaps the most irrefutable proof of the propaganda model of Western media is that 59% of the population believed less than 10,000 people died as a result of the Iraq War. That poll itself only made the mainstream media in a letter by known dissenters published on the Guardian’s letters page – a way of “othering” the information.

It is now extremely difficult for the media to pretend that everything is OK in Iraq, bar the odd car bomb. The AL-Maliki regime has been in the remarkable position of being both pro-Iranian and supported by the West with masses of military hardware – substantial quantities of which is now in the hands of ISIS. I don’t expect Al-Maliki to fall soon, but his area of control is decreasing by the hour. Whether the Al-Maliki regime has been any less vicious than that of Saddam Hussein is arguable. Certainly there has been a great deal less social freedom in Iraq.

I abhor dictatorship, but waging massive high technology war on a country, destroying its infrastructure and many of its people, because it has the misfortune to suffer under a dictator, is crazy. Those who genuinely believe in “liberal intervention” must finally admit that the revival of the concept of the “civilising mission” of imperialism has failed, disastrously, and brought massive misery to the world.

The harder-headed men on whose behalf Blair and Bush were acting, who never believed or cared about spreading liberal democracy, but simply wanted to gain vast wealth through control of natural resources, are less likely to be disillusioned. “Liberal intervention” has successfully acquired for these men assets in the diamond and rutile mines of Sierra Leone, and the oilfields of Iraq and Libya. My main hope from the current violent convulsions is that as few people are killed or harmed as possible. But over the next few years, it is essential that mineral riches are removed from Western interests in those countries that suffered “liberal intervention”. Otherwise we will see more of it, if it continues to appear a viable business model to the establishment.

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  1. Tony Blair is the poorest man I know of.

    What does he have apart from money? Nothing. Not even self-respect. Deep down, he knows what he’s done. Denial can only take you so far.

  2. The think is, he do not know what he is done. He is no doubt surrounded of a coitery of ass lickers that countinuosly reasure him of hi nobility

  3. Can you please comment on Oded Yinon policy for the middle east and Africa. Its seems all these wars are going exactly as planned by Isreal/US/UK

  4. The east of Libya contains 80% of Libya’s oil. These oilfields have been shut down for nearly a year and hence are not controlled by the West

  5. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 10:09 am

    Agree, broadly, but I’d venture to say that Maliki is now toast. That it is even possible for a mixture of disaffected minority Sunnis and jihadis to take Samarra, Tikrit, and, astoundingly, Mosul, while the Iraqi standing army simply runs away, says it all, really.

    We will be helping the reviled Assad to hold the line in the north before the end of the year, is my guess…this assumes we have any sense. I am now wondering which way Erdogan will jump, too. And what of poor-little-Israel ™ ?

    I thought Iraq was a clusterfuck in 2003. Now bloody look at it.

    Mr. Blair is currently, or has within the last day or so been, in Beijing. The purpose of his mission is not known, this is completely unreported in the UK, but he has met Matteo Renzi – another neocon-lite fraud – there.

  6. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 10:25 am

    Deja vu again…

    Known in the Italian press as ‘Italy’s Tony Blair’, Renzi has built an image as the centre-left demolition man, out to dismantle Italy’s political caste. Yet while he claims to be firmly outside the establishment, he is surrounded by luxury brand industrialists.

    Watch this bastard, too. Guarda questo bastardo.

  7. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 10:30 am

    The east of Libya contains 80% of Libya’s oil. These oilfields have been shut down for nearly a year and hence are not controlled by the West

    So, law of unintended consequences, again. Fortunately for big oil, the Kurdish Peshmerga are still sitting on Kirkuk, where the oil is. How long that will last is anyone’s guess, but the Peshmerga have a much better record for defending their positions.

  8. Iraq & Syria reduced to debris because of ‘diplomacy’ deployed by

  9. And who’s into Kurdistan big time? The Israelis.

  10. Blair syphons off more than $500 million of Libya’s assets

    In January 2008, the ‘Financial Times’ reported that Tony Blair had agreed to become a £2million-a-year adviser to the global financial services firm JPMorgan Chase. The newspaper reported that Blair “will use his experience and contacts to provide political and strategic advice to the US bank and participate in some client events.” Blair stated that he was looking at accepting “a small handful” of similar positions with other companies. “I have always been interested in commerce and the impact of globalisation. Nowadays, the intersection between politics and the economy in different parts of the world, including the emerging markets, is very strong,” he said.

    In September 2011, the ‘Daily Telegraph’ revealed that Tony Blair was one of three prominent western businessmen (including an unnamed British businessman and a former American diplomat) who regularly advised Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, son of the former Libyan leader, over investment decisions of the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA), the $70 billion fund used to invest the country’s oil money abroad. An LIA executive, speaking on condition of anonymity, said:
    “Tony Blair’s visits were purely lobby visits for banking deals with JP Morgan. Saif and his father played these people like musical chairs. At the end the reputation of the LIA was really damaged because of these interventions.”

    Documents found by the ‘Sunday Telegraph’ showed Mr Blair had made at least three visits to Tripoli, twice in the lead-up to the release of the alleged Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi in 2008 and 2009 and once in 2010. On the first two occasions he was flown to the country on planes arranged by Colonel Gaddafi. A senior diplomat told the ‘Daily Telegraph’ that the British embassy in Tripoli had arranged transport for Mr Blair and his entourage in Tripoli and ensured that representatives were there to “greet him and see him off” at the airport. Mr Blair stayed overnight at the ambassador’s official residence in Tripoli and was accompanied by “several” British police officers for protection. The documents show that among the people he was due to meet in 2009 was Mohammed Layas, head of the LIA.

    A spokesman for Mr Blair said that the visits had largely been to discuss Africa, and categorically denied that he had lobbied Saif al-Islam on behalf of JP Morgan:
    “As we have made clear many times before, Tony Blair has never had any role, either formal or informal, paid or unpaid, with the Libyan Investment Authority or the Government of Libya and he does not and has never had any commercial relationship with any Libyan company or entity.”

    In August 2011, American officials told the ‘New York Post’ newspaper that JP Morgan managed more than half a billion US dollars on behalf of the LIA. One of the letters arranging the 2008 visit, in which an aide to Mr Blair told the Libyan ambassador to Britain that the former prime minister was “delighted” that “The Leader” was likely to be able to see him, was on notepaper headed “Office of the Quartet Representative”, his formal title as Middle East envoy. The Quartet he represents is made up of the European Union, the United Nations, Russia and the United States.

    A spokesman for Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary-General, said: “It’s up to him to explain why he did this.”

  11. It’s so lucky none of the countries to the south of Iraq which are such firm favourites of the west are run by brutal authoritarian regimes otherwise the intervention in Iraq would look hypocritical.

  12. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 11:16 am

    Extended discussion of Blair’s interesting relationships with (inter alia) “countries to the south of Iraq…”

    Blair’s predecessor as (Quartet – BZ) envoy, former World Bank President James Wolfensohn – who mostly based himself in the region during his year in the post – quit because he felt neither Israel nor the U.S. was serious about negotiating with the Palestinians. Why, given the absence of any achievement, does Blair doggedly cling to his role? Who benefits?

    But that question is answered earlier in the piece:

    But during the same seven years Blair has been Quartet envoy, he has managed to amass a personal fortune, now estimated to be in the region of $110 million, a large chunk of which has been paid to him by Middle East governments for his advice and contacts. This has led to accusations that his very successful consultancy business, Tony Blair Associates, is cashing in on contacts he has cultivated as envoy.

    The role of envoy is unpaid – although expenses are picked up by taxpayers – but it affords Blair an obvious business platform in the region for his role as a “consultant” to governments and various investment houses. For instance, last week, in addition to being in Jerusalem, Blair also popped up in Kuwait, where he met with the country’s prime minister, Sheikh Jaber al-Mubarak al-Sabah. Blair’s office said the visit was in his capacity as Quartet envoy.

    TBA has had a lucrative contract with the Kuwaiti government for many years and has also carried out work for Mubadala, an Abu Dhabi government-owned investment vehicle. Blair has also visited both countries in his role as envoy.

  13. On Radio 4 this morning a US military advisor stated that ISIS had abandoned its previous tactics of targeting civilians aka Al Qaida in Afghanistan Pakistan. ISIS core membership is Kurdish Iraqis who were refused pardon by Kurdish Leader Barzani’s predecessor Talebani for jihadist activities against his own party and against Saddam.

    The US advisor stated that they now fight military to military as an organised, disciplined force. This is the way/sunna of Islam. Destruction of the weak, even trees is completely forbidden in Islam. A Muslim Sunni army operating by the sunna of Islam, not by the madness of Mr Zawihiri in Afghanistan, blowing up kids on buses etc, will be an unstoppable force in any Sunni country whose Shi’a rulers like Maliki have oppressed them on sectarian grounds.

    ISIS made Jihad against the lunacy of Zawahiri terror against civilians in Syria, and killed the main perpetrators of indiscriminate slaughter who were following the instructions of the Zawahiri madman.

    With ISIS we now have the possibility of Iraq returning back to commonsense and order. Maliki is universally condemned for sectarian oppression. He will go within weeks in my opinion, under pressure from Obama.

    In the past, UKUSIS have used the Afghan and Pakistan Muslims to create an out of control monster of terror, simply because of the ignorance in these countries about the basic principles of Islam.


    Signatories: The two Davids, co-editors of Medialens and contributors to their message board.

  15. As to Blair, he’s like a man who thinks the toilet hand drier is a new type of urinal. He never stops covering himself with urine.

    King James Bible:
    To Me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

  16. Aa again. He wants more blood.

    From the Medialens editors.

    Aaronovitch yet again warmongering
    Posted by The Editors on June 12, 2014, 11:06 am

    ‘We must do everything short of putting boots on the ground to help the Kurds to defend themselves against Isis and similar groups.

    ‘Britain and France should give President Obama whatever encouragement he needs to take this action, and render whatever assistance the Americans might require.

    ‘We don’t have to agree on anything else – 2003, WMD, Syrian red lines, whatever – just this.’

    (Aaronovitch, ‘Forget the past. Iraqi Kurds need our help now; The 2003 invasion is irrelevant to what is happening in Mosul now. What matters is preventing the advance of Isis,’ The Times, June 12, 2014)

  17. Blair is a multi-millionaire, but he covets the chance to make his mark more than anything. He had better be careful that he exerts a good influence.

  18. ‘Who leads Isis?

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, head of Isis, is now deemed one of the most powerful jihadi leaders in the world. He took over as leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq in 2010 after its former leaders were killed in an attack by US and Iraqi troops, reports The Independent. Following the fate of his predecessors, he reportedly insists on extreme secrecy, sometimes wearing a mask as disguise. Baghdadi, also known as Abu Dua, is believed to be in his early 40s, with degrees in Islamic Studies, including poetry, history and genealogy. Born in Samarra, a largely Sunni city north of Baghdad, he was later held prisoner by the Americans in Bocca Camp in southern Iraq between 2005 and 2009. The group’s leadership is almost exclusively made up of Iraqis, but it has gained thousands of volunteers from across the Middle East and hundreds from the West. Iraqi officials believe there are between 6,000 and 10,000 Isis militants in the country.’

    Isis: battle will rage in Baghdad, say militants

    Will we ever know how he was treated during those 4 years? Was it another place like Abu Ghraib?

    A hell hole.

  19. So? if there are no personal repercussions then the mistake isn’t a mistake – it a subjective value judgement. Without personal judicial repercussions we are blowing smoke while people are being killed wholsesale.

  20. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    Without personal judicial repercussions we are blowing smoke while people are being killed wholesale.

    True. Or letting off steam, anyway. But what institutional change do you propose to ensure that those presently protected by their money and influence should face the same justice and the same sanctions as ordinary frauds, burglars and murderers?

    Hard one.

  21. “This year, I will wear a poppy for the last time”

    “I will remember friends and comrades in private next year, as the solemnity of remembrance has been twisted into a justification for conflict”

    “However, I am afraid it will be the last time that I will bear witness to those soldiers, airmen and sailors who are no more, at my local cenotaph. From now on, I will lament their passing in private because my despair is for those who live in this present world.

    I will no longer allow my obligation as a veteran to remember those who died in the great wars to be co-opted by current or former politicians to justify our folly in Iraq, our morally dubious war on terror and our elimination of one’s right to privacy.”

    Harry Leslie Smith

  22. “..from the massive destruction of water, power and healthcare infrastructure; not to mention the million dead, two million maimed and five million displaced.

    Bravo Craig!

    Let us remind ourselves of recent blatant hypocrisy, deceit, mockery and bigotry.

    UK Prime Minister David Cameron: “Russia has sought to annex Crimea . This is a flagrant breach of international law and something we will not recognise. This behaviour belongs to the Europe of the last century not this one. It cannot be ignored or we risk more serious problems in the future.” Labor Opposition leader Ed Miliband has adopted the same position as Obama, stating that what Russia had done was “unacceptable”.

    UK Foreign Minister William Hague: “You just don’t invade another country on phoney pretexts in order to assert your interests. The world cannot say it’s OK to violate the sovereignty of another nation in this way.” The Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg and Labor Opposition leader Ed Miliband have voiced similar opinions.

    US Secretary of State John Kerry: “You just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text … It’s an incredible act of aggression. It is really a stunning, willful choice by President (Vladimir) Putin to invade another country. Russia is in violation of the sovereignty of Ukraine. Russia is in violation of its international obligations.”

    US President Barack Obama: “We will continue to say to the Russian government that if it continues on the path that is on, then not only us but the international community … will be forced to apply a cost to Russia ‘s violations of international law. There is another path available, and we hope that (Russian) President (Vladimir) Putin is willing seize that path.”

    One Ukrainian soldier killed in Crimea versus 12 million Muslim deaths in the post-1990 US War on Muslims.

    US-backed Apartheid Israel in its short existence as an anti-Arab anti-Semitic, genocidal rogue state has invaded 12 countries and still occupies the territory of 3 countries whereas nuclear-weapons-free Iran – the bête noire (black beast) of the racist, pro-Zionist, nuclear terrorist and mendacious FUKUS Coalition and Apartheid Israel – has not invaded any country for centuries.

    Western double standards over Crimea overwhelmingly demanding re-union with Mother Russia versus Apartheid Israel’s Occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

    Muslim Holocaust Muslim Genocide:

    Sincere thanks and love to Dr Gideon Polya for his stimulas and epiphany.

  23. A million? Only the other day I was being told by Je that the figure was 188,000. What causes of death are you including to arrive at a figure over five times that given by the Iraq Body Count?

  24. BLiar took time out from the jetting and the money making to take Cherie to the new restaurant where one must be seen.

    Agent Cameron followed in his hero’s footsteps last night with SamCam.

    Bono, Kate Moss, the Beckhams. All the literati of the London set go there!

    We have shallow and hollow politicians.

  25. Not forgetting Harry Patch Doug.

    When Tony Blair met Harry Patch
    Heathcote Williams 18 August 2013 Video

    On 6 June 2006, Tony Blair posed with Harry Patch, no doubt seeing a flattering photo opportunity with the longest surviving soldier from World War 1. “War is organised murder,” Harry told Blair, who only three years earlier had taken Britain into the illegal Iraq war. Blair scuttled away.

  26. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 1:48 pm

    Not enough corpses, Anon? If it’s not 6 million, it doesn’t count?

    ” any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde;
    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.”

    John Donne.

  27. Of course, Islam inspired violence has nothing to do with the dire situation in Iraq, does it Craig? The Americans come along and trip the spring trap that was held in tension for so long by a gangster client and suddenly they get all the credit for the hundreds of thousands dead. I’m not an apologist for the US, just saying that others deserve credit where credit’s due.

    I posted this link on the previous thread. 

    ISIS spreading the word of Peace –

  28. I remember reading a letter in the Guardian signed by a number of ex-ambassadors, diplomats, and politicians. I think it was just before the invasion of Iraq, but maybe it was just after. They unambiguously stated their belief that British foreign policy was being dictated by Israeli interests and that the invasion of Iraq would be disastrous for Britain. I think the letter was also published in the Times letters page, and that a few weeks later a similar letter from US diplomats was published in US newspapers. I have searched the internet several times over the last few years looking but I can’t find mention of it. Do any other readers of this blog remember the letter I describe?

    P.S. I am not referring to this letter (or its US equivalent) written a year after the invasion by UK and US diplomats which expressed more general fears about Israel’s influence:

  29. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 2:14 pm

    A Node – This one?

    Policy must take account of the nature and history of Iraq, the most complex country in the region. However much Iraqis may yearn for a democratic society, the belief that one could now be created by the coalition is naive. This is the view of virtually all independent specialists on the region, both in Britain and in America. We are glad to note that you and the president have welcomed the proposals outlined by Lakhdar Brahimi. We must be ready to provide what support he requests, and to give authority to the UN to work with the Iraqis themselves, including those who are now actively resisting the occupation, to clear up the mess. (snip)

    So that didn’t happen, then.

  30. A Node, the article you seek might have been quietly expunged. In any case, I look forward to the commentary of retired establishment figures like executives, bureaucrats and military personnel who can spill the beans on govcorp malfeasance without harming their pensions.

  31. And in strikes BZ like thunderbolt. Well done.

  32. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    TY, J. :-)

    Finding out where Blair is from day to day is a lot harder…

  33. Thanks, Ba’al, but not that one. You link to the letter from 52 former diplomats written a year after the invasion. It’s difficult to choose search terms for Google which doesn’t return references to this letter.

    The one I’m looking for was round about the start of the war and specifically accuses Blair and the foreign Office of going to war on behalf of Israel.

  34. Jemand

    Yes you are right in your analysis. The spring of tension is always being re-set. There is no line after which the Irish troubles or the Aboriginal troubles if you like, can heal.
    The West is constantly re-setting the spring. If you left the Muslims for even a few months, the victims would be overtaking and surpassing their oppressors in no time.

    We know where to put the blame.

  35. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 2:35 pm

    OK, sorry. *search resumes*

    Meanwhile, this, which I remember from the time, possibly helped inspire that letter (which I don’t remember).

    The letter I did find provoked immense fury among Israel-apologists, however. Its impact was substantial.

  36. I feel very much in tune with the sentiments of the first comment by Richard B.

    Blair, a notorious ignoramus, has, to a greater or lesser extent, ruined the lives of countless thousands in exchange for money and the plaudits of some very dubious characters of similar cast to himself. Not even he and his appalling missus can spend all the ill-gotten dosh and the poor sad bastard is going to die soon and face, as we all must, what he has done.

    But to the point: given the terrible record of “liberal interventionism” which was both predictable and predicted, should those wishing to go along with Western leaders in heaping all the blame on Russia for the civil war in Ukraine not take a breath and count to ten before pronouncing how much better off Ukrainians would be (“like Poland”!) under the protective and benign umbrella of the Fourth Reich?

  37. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    It may be in the Guardian digital archive (paywall) which goes up to 2003:

  38. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 3:05 pm

  39. Just read that the US will be rushing billions of dollars of weapons to Iraq.
    I wonder which side they are sending them to.
    They are backing both horses in that race.
    Will the CIA end up fighting their own Govt. over their foreign policy?

  40. BZ, you might make good use of this when you finally catch up with ol’ Tone. You can get a good price on eBay.

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 3:38 pm

    “A million? Only the other day I was being told by Je that the figure was 188,000. What causes of death are you including to arrive at a figure over five times that given by the Iraq Body Count?”

    Anon asks a good question, to which the Old Lizard* Ba’alZevul replies:

    “Not enough corpses, Anon? If it’s not 6 million, it doesn’t count?”


    A flippant reply, even if accompanied by a well-known quotation from John Donne, perhaps designed to remind us that the Old Lizard is one of the “intellectuals” of this blog.

    And an evasive reply as well; I remember someone on a previous thread (it may well have been Anon) challenging the millions figures carelessly thrown around by the West/US-haters and he never got a satisfactory answer either.

    Feel like providing a more serious reply, Old Lizard?


    * Ba’al : as moderator, you might wish to consider adding “Old Lizard” to the list of words and expressions which trips off the “Your comment is under moderation” warning? You know, like the word “K….o” does.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    Where is Komodo these days? :)

  43. Oh no! Groans. It’s been so nice and peaceful.

  44. You’re right that Iraq now is in a dreadful mess, and that we got the entire strategy wrong (not least, by failing to realise that we needed to spend 5x more on rebuilding than we would on the war). However, we also have a moral obligation to deal with some of these awful dictators (Hussein, Assad, etc) all of whom commit crimes against humanity. I’d like to think that we start by having a decent foreign policy, not initially supporting these evil regimes for 30 years first, but I don’t think simply ignoring them is the solution.

  45. Who backs ISIS, appart from the west, was it Saudi money that paid for ISIS’s Syrian arms caches and mercenaries?
    Are we looking at professional false flaggers that could easily walk/march east after having gotten to Maliki and his game playing, widening the conflict.

    Turkey will not be best pleased, they are on alert status as this kidnap of 80 plus their diplomat is close to a declaration of war. Turkey has made the decision not to intervene militarily and has demanded that ISIS releases its staff immediately.

    The US has condemned the kidnap and has asked for immediate release, offering help via drone strikes,(talk about adding insult to injury plus a lot of future violence to come)
    The situation is such that many countries in the middle east have been rather busy buying arms at our annually, such fun…sooo popular, events in London and Farnborough and that they are armed to the teeth.

    They are prepared to use these weapons systems and civilian populations, getting in the way fleeing from A to B will have nowhere to hide, or find safety.

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 3:58 pm


    I just wanted you to be aware that someone on Squonk’s blog has stolen your handle and is posting duplicitous and back-passage type comments about Craig on your name there :

    “Craig is clearly a Statist, John. I’m beginning to think his whistleblower bona fides are an accident related to his sexual preoccupations. He has capitalized on it efficiently without genuine follow-up.”

    (June 10 at 12h02, the Ukraine/Russia thread)

    I suggest you get in touch with Squonk, perhaps he can finds out who’s impersonating you.

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 4:01 pm

    “Oh no! Groans. It’s been so nice and peaceful.”

    Not for Mary, it hasn’t. I’ve just realised that she spends almost as much time on Squonk’s blog as she does on CM – and that’s a hell of a lot of time! :)

    Where does the dear girl get the energy from?

  48. Sorry, this is O/T. If you want to spend some great time in front of one of the most popular phonecompanies offices and stamp on one of their mobiles in disgust, please feel free to join UKUNCUT this weekend.

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 4:09 pm

    Oh no! Groans. A SECOND imposter has just come to my notice!!

    Someone calling him/herself “John Goss” has come out with the following:

    “The reason the trolls go away when Ukraine crops up is that if the debate is opened up enlightened people who use Craig’s blog as a source of news, and there are many of these, would see what is really going on, but with no debate they can’t. I am surprised that Craig himself seems to have joined them!!!”

    Well, that’s just barking, isn’t it, and I conclude that the imposter is trying both to discredit John and to spread falsehoods about Craug’s blog.

    Shame on him/her!

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 4:10 pm

    The false “John Goss” was on Squonk, btw.

  51. Nothing to say about the horror of the Iraq war and the re-occurring nightmare for the poor souls?

    Nothing to say about the abuse of Palestinian children by the Israelis?

    Nothing to say about the EU Commission presidency and Agent Cameron’s objection to him?

    No of course not.

    Last heard of defending the BBC on the BBC Lawbreaking thread. That fits.

  52. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    Who backs ISIS, appart from the west, was it Saudi money that paid for ISIS’s Syrian arms caches and mercenaries?

    Qatari, allegedly. And I guess something came their way from our desire not to see the EVIL DICTATOR * Assad keeping the region under something like control.

    *As totally opposed to Aliyev, Usmanov, Nazarbayev and all those nice Gulf sheikhs…

  53. Ba'al Zevul (Diamond Geezer)

    12 Jun, 2014 - 4:23 pm

    Lovely, J. But far too quick. A Stanley knife, aka boxcutter, would be preferable.

  54. Here is the letter of the 52 Diplomats to Tony Blair

    Letter of 26 April 2004 from 52 former British ambassadors, high commissioners and others to the Prime Minister on the government’s middle east policies

  55. Sorry A Node. I see you already had that one.

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 4:47 pm

    “Nothing to say about the horror of the Iraq war and the re-occurring nightmare for the poor souls?

    Nothing to say about the abuse of Palestinian children by the Israelis?

    Nothing to say about the EU Commission presidency and Agent Cameron’s objection to him?

    No of course not.”

    Lots to say, Mary, but why caste pearls before swine?

  57. An ‘exchange’ with the BBC’s Jonathan Marcus on Iraq

    Posted by The Editors
    Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:59 PM
    Subject: ‘Six things that went wrong for Iraq’: one glaring omission

    Hello Jonathan,

    Your new article for the BBC News website is titled ‘Six things that went wrong for Iraq’ [1]. Not one of these six items is the appalling UN sanctions regime [2] that, according to Unicef, resulted in the deaths of an estimated half a million children under five [3] and likely well over one million people in total [4].

    In 1998, Denis Halliday, the UN humanitarian coordinator in Iraq, resigned his post in protest at what he called ‘genocidal’ [5] sanctions. These sanctions were maintained at the particular behest of Washington and London, and involved huge propaganda efforts to obscure the truth [6]. Halliday’s successor, Hans von Sponeck, likewise resigned in 2000.

    Imagine if a foreign journalist had written a piece about this country titled, ‘Six things that went wrong for the UK’. Imagine that this journalist had not mentioned that around two million British people [7] had died as a result of UN sanctions policy in the 1990s. You might well regard such a journalist as a propagandist.
    You must surely be aware of the facts, and yet you choose to airbrush them from Iraqi history. Why?

    David Cromwell


    7. Proportional in respect of the relative populations of the UK and Iraq.

    From: Jonathan Marcus
    Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:57 PM
    Subject: RE: ‘Six things that went wrong for Iraq’: one glaring omission

    Dear Mr Cromwell

    I am sorry that you did not find anything useful in the piece.

    As ever you choose to see things entirely from your own organisation’s curious perspective.

    Thank you for troubling to write.

    Jonathan Marcus
    Defence & Diplomatic Correspondent

    BBC News
    3rd Floor Bridge
    BBC Broadcasting House
    Portland Place
    London W1A 1AA


    Dismissive arrogance.

    Other comments follow.

  58. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 4:57 pm

    “Cast”, I guess.

  59. Caste Noun
    Each of the hereditary classes of Hindu society, distinguished by relative degrees of ritual purity or pollution and of social status: ‘members of the lower castes’.

    Cast Verb
    throw (something) forcefully in a specified direction.


  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    And a big well done to Jonathan Marcus for his reply to “The Editors” (which editors by the way? whi are they? Mary omits to say) – his reply gave them exactly what their arrogant and presumptuous letter deserved.

    From now on, I’ll listen to anything from Jonathan Marcus with even greater respect and with a smile on my lips as I remember his excellent and robust reply.

  61. Thanks Doug for that Link to the Harry Leslie Smith piece about this year being the last time he would wear a poppy, and Guano for your comment about Blair thinking a hand drier is a urinal (that made me laugh).

    Lin Yutang the Chinese writer and philosopher wrote:

    “In this present age of threats to democracy and individual liberty, probably only the scamp and the spirit of the scamp alone will save us from becoming lost as serially numbered units in the mass of disciplined, obedient, regimented and uninformed coolies. The scamp will be the last and most formidable enemy of dictatorships. He will be the champion of human dignity and individual freedom, and will be the last to be conquered. All modern civilization depends entirely upon him.”

    1939 The Importance of Living (ch: The Scamp as ideal)

  62. six hundred and sixty six formicating feudalist fighting flat headed fools

    12 Jun, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    I also read the list of six things that went wrong with Iraq and whilst I am not very political (sometimes I even have some sympathy for Habba) and am not aligned with any political wing I could not but immediately think hand on a mo there is a bit more than that which got fucked up.

  63. six hundred and sixty six formicating feudalist fighting flat headed fools

    12 Jun, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    Note: “Formicating” derives from and is a reference to those who furnish with formica and is not a misspelling of fornicating.

    “Hand on a mo” is a misspelling for hang on a mo and has nothing to do with hands on ones mo.

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 – 4:09 pm “Imposter” my dear friend, I don’t think anyone could impost the inimitable style of yours truly, except perhaps yours truly himself. Now if I was going to tell tales to teacher I would want him to know the full story and the chunk you lifted was quite clearly an addendum to the comment directly above it. I am not ashamed about what I write anywhere.

    “June 10, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Brian, I’ve never known Craig to express opinion that he dose not hold, and he has stuck his neck out against state misdoings which have not done him a bit of good. His campaigns and exclusives against the state have shown total resolve. I am thinking about the Atlantic Bridge, Gould, Fox, Werritty affair as well as his ongoing campaign against the Karimovs.

    I have no information but speculate with his experience in the diplomatic service there may be an opportunity for him with the new Scottish government should independence be voted for.

    What is happening in Ukraine, without a squeak from our media, is deplorable. How anyone could side with Poroshenko and the thugs he spearheads is beyond me. A village was razed to the ground yesterday.

    Ukraine is not going to pay its debt to Russia for gas it has used but I cannot see how how the gas can be cut off without cutting off Europe. So, unless I misunderstand, this may not be the negotiating lever I hoped it might be, but my wish is I’m wrong on this because there is no water in many areas of Eastern Ukraine, no means of withdrawing cash, no food.

    One thing I have noticed is that whenever the Ukraine debate is opened up on Craig’s blog most of the regular trolls go AWOL. It suggests to me that they are probably paid agents. That being so you would expect they could come up with more enlightened and informed trolls.
    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) ! 12 Jun, 2014 – 4:09 pm

    “Thanks Brian for the link.

    June 10, 2014 at 8:18 am

    The reason the trolls go away when Ukraine crops up is that if the debate is opened up enlightened people who use Craig’s blog as a source of news, and there are many of these, would see what is really going on, but with no debate they can’t. I am surprised that Craig himself seems to have joined them!!!”

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 6:25 pm

    @ Six Hundred etc (17h59)

    Your explanations are convincing and I accept them in the spirit in which they are offered.

  66. Richard

    I by no means think we should ignore dictators either. But bombing their countries into the Middle Ages is not the solution.

  67. That dismissive reply from the BBC chap suggests an attitude similar to that of Madeleine Albright, who admitted that she viewed the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children from Western sanctions as “a price that’s worth it”.

    Should anyone care to wonder at the ongoing slaughter and misery inflicted by Western foreign policy, they could do worse than begin with these callous attitudes displayed by Western leaders and opinion formers.

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 6:30 pm

    John Goss

    So it was really you and not an imposter? I’m astonished because it’s not like you to badmouth o comment on people behind their back (=on another blog). Because I know you set great store by openness and transparency, you see.

    But that still leaves the nasty person who impersonated our Californian friend Ben.

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 6:33 pm


    “Should anyone care to wonder at the ongoing slaughter and misery inflicted by Western foreign policy, they could do worse than begin with these callous attitudes displayed by Western leaders and opinion formers.”

    With great respect, Herbie, that seems rather circular and putting the horse before the cart, doesn’t it? But be that as it may, what is the point you’re trying to make?

  70. One thing that struck me about the ISIS situation is the account that its 3000 to 5000 against 900,000. I don’t know who ISIS are and note the Independent’s suggestion that it is thought that they may contain senior officer from Hussein’s elite forces and security services and if so that may account for the lack of resistance, which they encounter in sunni areas, but apart from that and perhaps more generally it drives home the fact that the majority in all countries are usually passive. Still it makes you think. It seems so contrary to all those war games and top trump card scenarios.

  71. And when I am here one last post: what is going on in the world in 2014. Egypt coup; Kiev coup; Crimea becomes Russian; Spanish King abdicates; ISIS; no electricity at all in Yemen; UKIP; Scotland planning on going it alone and I have no doubt missed several more relevant events. Are the wheels coming off the juggernaut of our sleepy lives?

  72. If the deaths of 500,000 children are a price worth paying for Western policy objectives, then it’s worth asking what price is too high.




    At what point would the price be too high.

    Do the number of deaths even form any part of the calculus at all.

  73. Heebijeeb, why are you late!?

    If you need time off to get your hair blue-rinsed and permed you can get it done while you are working.

    We nearly had a useful discussion today until you slid in under the door like alien saliva. Consensus and commonsense nearly prevailed on CM’s blog.

    Don’t let it happen again!

  74. Herbie, for me the killing of one child is a price too high to be paid.

  75. I always think the best way to deal with ‘awful dictators’ is for each country or polity or community to deal with their own. That the US should deal with Obama, Bush and friends, and the people of the nations of Britain should deal with Cameron, Hague, Blair, Straw et al. and do so severely. It is so much easier that way. There is in fact no moral obligation whatever to go out looking for other awful dictators, much less to ‘deal with them’, when so many who fit that description – the fig leaf of having been ‘elected’ or however anointed, however they obtained dictatorial power, making no difference the terms President, Prime Minister and others being perfect synonyms for dictator in these known cases – we’ve more than enough to deal with nearer to home and when we’ve dealt with them, I doubt even then we’ve any moral obligation to go looking for any more of them, any further afield, none surpass our own and those of our good buddie allies in the US (not forgetting its own newer allies in Al-CIADA and in the Kiev junta) and the Israeli right in frightfulness. If going after awful dictators and dealing with them is the game, it’s always best to go for the top, the head of the beast than its manifold arms and legs, peripheral little dictator-ettes, the place you want to look are their known-haunts of Downing Street and the Whitehouse, from there the trails both begin and end.

    You can’t have a decent foreign policy until the present indecent foreign policy is laid to rest and the culprits behind it face their crimes, their victims and a just fate.

  76. So the US invades Iraq, fights Sunni insurgents, paves the way for a dodgy Shia regime, tries to depose the Syrian regime using Sunni insurgents (which are fought by Iraqi Shias) and now considers bombing those Sunni insurgents to help the regime which is heling thwart its plans in Syria.

    Does everyone in Washington have ADHD and below-average IQ, or are they not bothered by what chaos they create so long as someone, somewhere, is buying their weapons?

  77. No Mike they don’t have ADHD. It’s the latter. Blair has no scruples, he was the one who phoned his friend Lord Falconer to organise the Hutton Inquiry before even the home office pathologist specifically chosen had attended the scene of death. How disgusting is that?

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    Tony M

    “I always think the best way to deal with ‘awful dictators’ is for each country or polity or community to deal with their own. That the US should deal with Obama, Bush and friends, and the people of the nations of Britain should deal with Cameron, Hague, Blair, Straw et al. and do so severely. It is so much easier that way.”

    Interesting indeed.

    Would you make to tell us how that doctrine of yours might have applied/been applied in the case of Adolf Hitler?

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 9:35 pm

    John Goss

    “Herbie, for me the killing of one child is a price too high to be paid.”

    Probably without meaning to you have exposed Herbie’s comment at 18h48 for the maudlin tosh it is.

    Thank you.

  80. I keep saying Blair and his like are psychopaths. see Hare’s work on the subject.

  81. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jun, 2014 - 9:52 pm


    “I keep saying Blair and his like are psychopaths. see Hare’s work on the subject.”_________________

    It would be nice to have some original work from YOU on something once in a while, Mary, rather than you just repeating the thoughts of others all the time.

    Heaven knows you have enough time at your disposal – after all, you seem to have ample time to comment on here and on Squonk (and who knows where else…!!??)the whole day long, and has not Craig himself congratulated you on your fact-finding skills?

    So get on with it please – some ORIGINAL work!!

    Thanks in advance, Mary.

  82. 500,000 deaths is far from maudlin, habby. You’re exposing a darkness in yourself there, which you generally take better care to conceal.

    Mine is a genuine question and valid question, which I’ll propose again.

    If these warmongers think the death of 500,000 children is a price worth paying in pursuit of their objectives, how many is too much a price to pay.




    Or, is any number, including 10,000,000+, a price worth paying in pursuit of their objectives.

    And what does that say about such people.

    Remember, she didn’t say it was unforeseen or unfortunate, she said it was a price worth paying.

    So, is there any price, any number, in terms of human death and misery, that she won’t think a price worth paying in pursuit of her objectives.

    And, again, what does such an attitude say about such people.

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 12:10 am


    “Mine is a genuine question and valid question, which I’ll propose again.”

    Even John Goss didn’t think so.

    BTW Herbert: just as a general tip, avoid as much as possible describing your own questions as “genuine”, “valid” and so on – it tends to make the reader think the opposite.


    “So, is there any price, any number, in terms of human death and misery, that she won’t think a price worth paying in pursuit of her objectives.

    And, again, what does such an attitude say about such people.”

    This time round, not only maudlin but also rhetorical, Herbert.

  84. Your answer then, habby, is as I expected.

    It just don’t matter, how many die, in pursuit of Western objectives.

    And of course it’s maudlin to question the utter depravity of it all.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  85. The US (and Abbott) look like they are up for the final installment of the franchise: Iraq III: Armageddon. These neocons really are psychologically incapable of learning a thing aren’t they? What an epic mess. It’s notable how little information we can get about Iraq, I well recall the media black-out around Fallujah war crimes. And the recent Guardian article maintains the 100,000 dead figure, disgracefully.

    If Cameron promises UK troops to help clear up this mess, I hope the UK people string him up on the lampost outside No 10. Him and his creepy Foreign Secretary. Oh, and Bliar obviously, seeing as the Hague seem too busy to deal with him. Alas, I can well imagine Cameron getting his war paint on, soon enough.

  86. Latest piece of Blair/Bush legacy: use of white phosphorus, a la Fallujah, over populated areas at the city of Slavyansk, Eastern Ukraine:

  87. BrianFujisan

    13 Jun, 2014 - 1:48 am

    International Law.. and the Brave Poff Bpyle

    In September 1991, Prof. Boyle filed a legal complaint on behalf of Iraq’s 4.5 million children. He submitted the petition to the UN Secretary General and to a number of UN agencies including UNICEF. “This Indictment, Complaint and Petition for Relief from Genocide accuses the Respondents (President George Bush Sr. and the United States of America) of committing the international crime of genocide against the 4.5 million Children of Iraq in violation of the International Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948 and in violation of the municipal legal systems of all civilized nations in the world…” He cited existing evidence for his claim including the report of the Harvard Study Team which estimated that “at least 170,000 Iraqi children under the age of five will die within the next year… if the imposition of sanctions continues.” The petition was never acted upon.

    Boyle mounted another campaign before the 2003 US/UK invasion of Iraq, using his original genocide petition. This time he contacted senior Iraqi government officials, asking them to grant him the legal authority to file lawsuits against the US and UK governments in the World Court. He felt the case for genocide was even stronger in 2003, based of comments made by US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright during a 1996 TV interview on 60 Minutes. When asked if the reported deaths of a half million Iraqi children was “worth it” in terms of US policy in Iraq, Albright answered, “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price – we think the price is worth it.”

    This statement, according to Boyle,

    Is what criminal lawyers call a classic ‘Admission Against Interest.’ This Statement by the then sitting US Secretary of State, acting within the scope of her official duties and speaking in the name of the United States government, could be taken to the International Court of Justice in The Hague and filed to prove that the United States of America possessed the required mens rea (criminal intent) necessary to commit the international crime of genocide. Under both international law and US domestic law, to be guilty of a crime a person or a state must possess the requisite mens rea at the same time that he or she or it commits the criminal act (actus reus).

    Iraqi government officials also declined to involve themselves in his case. Prof. Boyle called these failures “one of the great disappointments of my life.” As he added it up, more than 3.3 million Iraqi men, women and children died as a result of US/UK actions between 1991 and 2011 when the US officially ended hostilities with Iraq: 200,000 killed in the first Gulf War; 1.7 million dead as a result of sanctions; and 1.4 million dead as a result of the illegal invasion of 2003.

    In March 1998, two years after Albright’s infamous “admission against interest”, President Bill Clinton was in Rwanda where he apologized — not only for the US, but for international inaction in the face of the mass killings. As many as one million people are said to have died. “We did not immediately call these crimes by their rightful name: genocide.” he said. Why wasn’t the “rightful” name applied? Because when the term is applied, action is mandated according to Article 1: The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish. (emphasis added)

    This is one reason why there is so much resistance, so much posturing, hedging and hesitation about invoking a legal determination for genocide, not only in Iraq, but in other countries too numerous to list: Vietnam, East Timor, Congo, Palestine…to name a few. Because if “the parties” to the UN convention label it a genocide, action must be taken. We can call it a genocide after- the- fact, in 1998 or in 2014. We can express our remorse, our regret and own our mistakes in Rwanda because we’re off the hook. The UN Security Council, and the government of Rwanda took action as required by the Convention, establishing the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda in November 1994 (UN) and instituting the National Unity and Reconciliation Commission as well as a modern-day version of a traditional approach to reconciliation, gacaca(Gov’t of Rwanda)

  88. BrianFujisan

    13 Jun, 2014 - 1:50 am

    Yip every fkn time

    Prof. Boyle

  89. I suppose the Ukrainian Govt will claim they were using white phosphorus for incendiary purposes, rather than as a chemical weapon. Hopefully, such a claim will be discussed one day in The Hague. Even more hopefully, similar use in Palestine and Iraq in civilian areas will also one day be scrutinised in full detail at the International Criminal Court.

  90. Hoped the BBC would be reporting the use of white phosphorus. No such luck! Only one article about Ukraine on BBC website… a claim about Russian tanks going over the border:

  91. “Where does the dear girl get the energy from?”

    I’m more inclined to ask about the money. She makes all sorts of snide observations about the comings and goings of others but is, herself, wholly occupied with online polemics. Doesn’t she have a job to go to? Who is paying her?

  92. “Nothing to say about the horror of the Iraq war and the re-occurring nightmare for the poor souls?”

    It would be nice if you could also contribute some commentary on the horrors of Islamic violence, Mary.

    We all know that religious and political violence is not monopolised by the Israelis and West. And if it were not for the Western inventions of government accountability (as limited as it is) and mass media (as biased as it can be), we wouldn’t know anything at all about the systemic use of violence in other parts of the world.

    If only we were allowed to look more closely at the daily misery suffered by your average Muslim peasant and slum dweller living under the fists of thugocracies. If only those Islamic regimes were open societies like that of Western countries.

    The biggest irony, Mary, is that your preferred tool of anti-Western propaganda is an invention of the evil US military.

    Long live the internet!

  93. Removing Saddam Hussein was the right decision early in my presidency, it is the right decision now, and it will be the right decision ever.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 12, 2008

    You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” –interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

    The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th.” –Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007

    I’m the commander — see, I don’t need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That’s the interesting thing about being president.” –as quoted in Bob Woodward’s Bush at War

    Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties.” –discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson in 2003, as quoted by Robertson

    I think I was unprepared for war.” –on the biggest regret of his presidency, ABC News interview, Dec. 1, 2008

    I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me. –talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward

    But maybe GWB doesn’t really know what’s going on now, lost his grip on reality (if he ever had a grip)

    You know ‘bama’s gotta do somethin’ about these Islamic State In Space (ISIS) dudes, why it must be a threat to our International Space Station (ISS). People are allus misunderestimating me but they might even have nukular weapons up there! Ma good friend Pootin should hop on a Soyuz and go check it out.

  94. The witch is not dead. She lives. Fresh from a makeover, she was on Newsnight last night with Paxman. Her shrill laughter which intersperses her commentary is quite chilling.

    If there is a god, please let it not be her as the next president.

    Hillary Clinton: Full Newsnight interview

    The US should withhold military support for Iraq until certain preconditions are met, former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said.

    In an interview with BBC’s Newsnight, Mrs Clinton said Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki first had to show he was “inclusive” – seemingly conflicting with President Obama’s statement that the US was looking at “all options” in Iraq.

    Mrs Clinton also discussed the crisis in Ukraine, the Scottish independence referendum, and whether or not she will make a second run for the US presidency in 2016.

  95. btw she is another of Hare’s psychopaths. Smaller %age female than male but still significant.

  96. I have spoken of this propaganda piece before. I see it has been given space on Cameron’s personal website.

    It was given a puff piece by John Humphrys the other morning. No mention written above or spoken below of the horror of the war for the people of Afghanistan nor of how many of them that have been left wounded or killed.

    BBC Radio 4 Today @BBCr4today · Jun 11 34m
    Theatre “incredibly powerful” in giving people a voice – Alice Driver, whose play Charlie F helps injured war veterans act out their stories

    ‘Giving people a voice’. Not the Afghan people Mr Humphrys, shill for the NWO.

  97. @Jemand: Lay off Mary. You must know the actions of the US military in Iraq were off the scale bad, particularly the way they used White Phosphorus in Fallujah. American’s are nice people, and I don’t like to judge, but actions speak louder than words and their government in recent years has sanctioned, and continues to sanction, terrible forces of destruction. The fact that most of our “democratic” media no longer even reports on these excesses is bad for all of us, and I can’t understand why thinking people can condone such actions.

  98. Prediction: The US will hit those pesky Iraq-based ISIL miltants — which seem to have acquired another level of military capability rather quickly — using the assets they, fortuitously, have been placing in Jordan for the last 6-10 months. Then — whoops! — this action will spill over into Syria as, hey, this is where ISIL are based too, right? THAT’S how the US will get their military into Syria — by “protecting” Iraq. Very clever, I must say. We’re all watching the World Cup anyway, so no one will notice.

  99. Jemand

    Maybe you’re just very naive.

    The reason why Muslim countries are on about 20% iman/faith, is the same that non-Muslim countries are on about 1% iman/faith.
    In India the British were taken on by the scholars of Islam and the streets of Delhi ran with their blood. The British then installed their own dodgy versions of Islam including Sikhism, Sufism, Qadianis and Salafis.

    So don’t complain about weakness of faith in Muslim countries when you know the cause. Religious inspired Goodness, of any sort, in any country, is constantly persecuted by the status quo state, so that the people will praise the valliant actions of the state’s achievements.

    In Northern Ireland the UK paid terrorists to cause the troubles. Lie, lie lie lie, until you convince them that you are telling the truth. Even the internet cannot prove a well-protected lie. You have to join the dots and use your imagination. You have to possess a conscience as an inner touchstone in order to detect the hidden lies.

    The only way politicians can understand to put themselves up is to put others down.

    I don’t know why someone so naive bothers to visit a political blog. Just because you don’t understand politics, is no reason to attack the truth of Islam.

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