The Muddle of Cameron

by craig on June 26, 2014 10:52 am in Uncategorized

There was never the slightest chance that David Cameron will achieve any significant “renegotiation” of Britain’s EU membership terms. This fictitious “renegotiation” is the fig-leaf with which Cameron has sought to appease euro-sceptics, promising an in-out referendum once the non-existent “renegotiation” is completed.

When a non-existent process can be deemed complete is an interesting question.

On Cameron’s side, it has only ever been a fig-leaf to buy time, though I do not entirely discount Britain’s extraordinary capacity to delude itself about its ability to “punch above its weight” diplomatically. The book of modern British diplomatic triumphs would be a slim volume indeed.

But the Emperor has made the mistake of pointing to his dangling naked penis. Cameron stated starkly that the election of Jean Claude Juncker to head the European Commission would be evidence that Europe would not adopt Cameron style reform.

Yes, David. Exactly. Thanks for pointing it out. Personally I never thought you were wearing any trousers anyway, but if anyone did you have now dangled it right in their faces.

Cameron has made it even more plain by linking Juncker’s election directly to Cameron’s thesis that national governments must always be paramount in Europe. Juncker’s election is in accordance with an agreement that the leader of the largest party in the European Parliament will head the Commission. Thus, as Cameron pointed out, the very process itself is an advance of Euro-federalism and Euro-democracy, irrespective of Juncker’s views. Absolutely. Cameron’s thesis that national governments must be paramount over European institutions has already been defeated in what Cameron himself made a symbolic fight. The complete fatuity of Cameron’s re-negotiation claims is exposed.

Personally I am very pro-EU. But whatever your stance on the EU, the outright dishonesty of the Cameron approach must be condemned.

I published a couple of weeks ago that Juncker does not share Barroso’s hostility to Scottish independence: as a former Prime Minister of Luxembourg he does not see the problem with small nations. The British media has been extremely keen to puff up the opposition to Scottish independence by foreign leaders. Cameron and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office have invested huge diplomatic capital into persuading Barack Obama and Li Keqiang to make statements against Scottish independence, while standing next to Cameron for the cameras.

The media failed to pay the same attention to a much more significant occasion – Angela Merkel refused to do it. Standing right next to David Cameron at a press conference in Sweden, Merkel rebuffed intense British diplomatic lobbying when she refused to back the continued existence of the state the man next to her was representing. It was a stunning slight, as Merkel knocked back the same question fed to Obama and Keqiang with the sensible (though entirely untrue) reply that she never answers hypothetical questions. Cameron stared at the floor, discomfited.

There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union. And the two people who are most important in that decision – Jean Claude Juncker and Angela Merkel – have not been amenable to the FCO’s frenetic anti-Scottish lobbying. They both are in positions much more vital to Scotland’s future than Barack Obama and Li Keqiang – both of whom will change their tune post-independence anyway.

Cameron’s headaches are multiplying.

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173 Comments

  1. Li Keqiang’s family name is Li, so if you are going to talk of Obama and him, you should say Obama and Li.

  2. Craig:

    “But the Emperor has made the mistake of pointing to his dangling naked penis”

    This is the funniest one-liner I’ve encountered in quite some time.

    Regarding Cameron’s promise of an EU referendum, yes it probably is just an empty promise to attract the Euro-sceptics, but is there a danger that it might develop its own momentum and become unstoppable? It would have a number of influential newspapers backing it.

    So pro-EU Scots had better vote Yes, or risk being dragged out of the EU by the Little Englanders.

  3. StantonCarlisle

    26 Jun, 2014 - 11:20 am

    Craig, I think this blog post should have been called ‘David Cameron’s Penis’.

  4. I was installing air conditioning in 2 rooms in a newly built mansion. Dangling from the ceiling was a nest of fat cables like car jump leads. ‘ What are these for? ‘ I enquired. ‘ I don’t know ‘ the owner replied. The only use for this type of cabling and air conditioning I could think of was bright lights for porn filming.

    So David Cameron, why do you make a fuss about Europe? Is it as Craig so perceptively points out to display your dick in the brightest possible spotlights?

  5. Guano

    ” The only use for this type of cabling and air conditioning I could think of was bright lights for porn filming. ”

    Err, yes – that may say something about you :-)!

  6. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    Porn studio? Or a cannabis farm?….whoops.

  7. Alan campbell

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:18 pm

  8. “Or a cannabis farm?”

    Err, yes – that may say something about you.

  9. ” There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union. ”

    I don’t believe there was ever any suggestion that it would. The question has always been would Scotland automatically be a member post independence or would it have to apply.

  10. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Err, yes – that may say something about you.
    So relieved to see you developing a sense of humour. You actually got the joke.

  11. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:44 pm

    Kempe-

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-eu-bid-extremely-difficult-says-jose-manuel-barroso-9131925.html

    It would be “extremely difficult, if not impossible” for an independent Scotland to get the necessary approval from the member states for it to join the European Union (EU), the president of the European Commission has said.

    February this year. Prior to that the impossibility/difficulty of joining in its own right was the accepted wisdom. There’s been some substantial backtracking since.

  12. “There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union”

    Surely that can’t be true. Even if there were no objections in principle to Scottish membership, it could nevertheless all go pear-shaped over the details. Membership could not be finalised for instance until Scotland and the EU agreed on what Scotland’s annual contribution to EU coffers should be.

  13. Spain won’t veto it.

    If they did then the Galician fishing industry would collapse, leading to the subsequent collapse of PP funding & support in Galicia. Take a guess who the Galicians vote for now 😉

    Turkeys don’t vote for xmas as they say…..

  14. The idea of EU-wide political parties, or mergers to form them, terrifies me a little, I don’t think people are ready or desire such a leap, such things could so easily be out of touch, internally divided, power-hungry and awesomely corruptible right through, which could, given just enough time, be a result of election “in accordance with an agreement that the leader of the largest party in the European Parliament will head the Commission.

    I’m certainly in favour of an European Union of sorts, that guarantees equality and human rights, public safety and protection, a social and trading union of peoples. I fear the EU as presently set up, has an air of something organised purely as a test run, a sort of pilot EU, a rough mock-up just to see how things go and the details, ‘trivial’ things, such a veneer of democracy, accountability, to be added later as a result of that experience, which then, despite its prototype status has gone on to entrench itself almost without change or any of the flaws, thought initially understandable, excusable as temporary expedients, now set in stone and solemn writ. It still has the air of a rehearsal about it, assurance of good intentions and outcomes to be taken on faith alone.

    When will we get EU-Mark II, with the worst faults fixed or better hidden and some new ones introduced. Will it come with a warranty, and in colours other than bureaucratic beige? All corruptible power absolutely concentrated in one easily accessible place, one set of controls, one cockpit, turns as backseat driver made available to the highest bidding, lobbyist, oligarch, blackmailer or other ne’er-do-well.

  15. Tonight. Not much notice.

    Event: The radical case for Scottish independence
    Thursday, 26 June 2014 7pm-8:30pm in Committee Room 14, House Of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA.

    One of the most important events for Britain will be taking place in September: the Scots will be able to vote for independence. Yet public discussion in England has been set by political parties arguing that independence is a reactionary and retrogressive step. Red Pepper and openDemocracy are bringing Scottish independence campaigners to the heart of the establishment, Westminster parliament, to hear their case and determination to vote Yes.

    Book your place for a discussion with:

    Cat Boyd, Radical Independence Campaign

    Pete Ramand, co-author of Yes: The Radical Case for Scottish Indpendence

    Robin McAlpine, Jimmy Reid Foundation

    David Greig, playwright

    Joyce McMillan, theatre critic

    Neal Ascherson, writer

    This is an opportunity to understand the importance for a whole section of the Scottish people of seizing the opportunity to establish a different state. The opposition sets a negative tone: you’ll lose the pound, there will be no oil, you’ll be pushed out of the EU, you will be defenceless… But what we in London have not had is any flavour of the passion and determination increasingly heard in the fervour of discussion now sweeping through Scotland.

    /..
    http://www.redpepper.org.uk/radicalcase/

  16. Something else for Dave.

    Save our Bees. Please.

    Our bees are in danger again! On Tuesday, David Cameron and his cabinet are going to decide whether to allow banned bee killing pesticides to be used on fields across the UK.

    Unbelievably, a mega pesticide company called Syngenta has just made an emergency appeal after their product was banned across Europe last year due to the risk it poses to our bees.

    We’ve not got long to act. But if enough of us make a huge fuss right now, we could persuade David Cameron to throw out Syngenta’s request and uphold the ban.

    Can you sign a petition to David Cameron right now demanding that he protects our bees?
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/a-ban-is-a-ban

    This is Syngenta.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syngenta
    Turnover $14,688 billion !!

    The Board
    http://www.syngenta.com/global/corporate/en/about-syngenta/governance/management-and-board/Pages/board-of-directors.aspx

  17. Mary: that’s 14.688 billion, not 14,688 billion.

  18. I’ve often found it strange how the media in Scotland gave extensive coverage of Barroso’s remarks where he wrongly compared Scotland to Kosovo,yet gave almost no coverage to remarks he made about Cameron’s plan in October 2013. The Huffington post article found here – http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/04/david-cameron-barroso-_n_4042166.html states:

    “David Cameron’s plans to claw back UK powers from Brussels are ‘doomed to failure’ as all 28 member states would fail to back Britain’s ‘unreasonable’ demands, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has warned.

    Barroso poured scorn on the Prime Minister’s plan to bring legislation from the EU back into the UK’s control, insisting that it would only be achievable by reviewing over 150,000 pages of EU law on a case-by-case basis.“

  19. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 2:37 pm

    We’re rapidly becoming (the UK) the leper of the EU, as evidenced by Cameron’s assault on Juncker unifying support for Juncker. My view is that we’re in too deep to get out now, and we are committed to lying back and thinking nostalgically of England. That’s one option. Another is to get out and become the 51st State in name as well as everything else. Those are the globalist options. Alternatively, the UK could assert its independence, relearn its manufacturing and piratical skills and be a thorn in everyone’s side. I rather like that one, and the Scots might even appreciate its boldness and stay in.

  20. @ MJ

    Most of Europe uses a comma rather than a full stop to indicate a decimal place so its probably that rather than an attempt to inflate the turnover 😉

  21. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 2:52 pm

    “” There was never the remotest chance that an independent Scotland would be excluded from the European Union. ”

    I don’t believe there was ever any suggestion that it would. The question has always been would Scotland automatically be a member post independence or would it have to apply.”
    _____________________

    Kempe is exactly right.

    The first bit of the above is just another straw man (from Craig).

  22. “Most of Europe uses a comma rather than a full stop to indicate a decimal place”

    In my experience it’s Americans who do it. And no, most of Europe don’t.

  23. Yes, Thatcher got brownie points for renegotiating a European deal which had been particularly bad because we were late joining. There is no negotiating leverage for Cameron but I guess as her protege he thought he could do the same thing. No chance. He’ll be leaving office with nothing. “What did you do as prime minister Mr Cameron?” “Er.”

    If Scotland votes Yes it will be a double whammy. Achieved nothing while in office but presided over the breakup of the union. No wonder they are pulling out all the stops to get a No vote!

  24. Answer to the question to CameraOn John

    ‘I wrecked your NHS. We’re alright though. We all have private health insurance for as you know we are all in it together.’

  25. Yes you are correct MJ! My bad. Don’t know what’s wrong with my eyesight today and I have just had an eye test. Everything was the same as 2 years before. I don’t need glasses thank goodness.

  26. I’ve never understood the sense of opposing Juncker. The question of Scottish independence will be decided by the people of Scotland. If they want independence, the UK will have to live with it and should therefore prepare for every eventuality (perhaps this is happening in secret, for all we know). I hope Scotland remains in the UK, but if not, the UK must make every effort to be on the best of terms with those North of Hadrian’s wall. We need to be like Sweden towards Norway if that happens, IMO.

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Vestas

    Firstly, welcome to the blog. If you are not here to vent an obsession or two, then you are doubly welcome.

    Re fisheries. It may well be the case that the Galician fisheries industry is dependent – perhaps even heavily dependent – on catches around the British Isles, but I believe that the concentration of effort is in “English” waters (and mainly SW England) and the Irish Sea, and not in “Scottish” waters.

    Furthermore: even if there was an important Spanish (Galician or whatever)fishing effort in “Scottish” waters, it is certain that the question of maintaining some if not all of those catch possibilities in newly independent Scottish waters would be an important feature of the negotiations on Scottish re-admission into the EU and would be something on which Spain would insist.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Having said that, I do not believe that any member state would attempt to block Scottish re-admission for reasons of “principle”. As the Juncker affair shows, questions of principle tend to fall away in the face of what is considered to be the need not to rock the boat.

  28. I really don’t think he cares that much,either way.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Dreoilin

    ““Most of Europe uses a comma rather than a full stop to indicate a decimal place”

    In my experience it’s Americans who do it. And no, most of Europe don’t.”
    _________________

    The original commenter is correct and you are wrong, Dreoilin (about Europe).

  30. “Don’t know what’s wrong with my eyesight today”

    If you copy and paste you can’t go wrong.

  31. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 3:51 pm

    @ Hilde Benjamin (13h41)

    “I don’t need glasses thank goodness.”
    __________________

    It is reassuring to know that nothing can come between that steely glint in your eye and the objects of your loathing, scorn and derision.

  32. The power of a petition. Well done 38 Degrees.

    ~~~~

    *High fives* and *applause* – Barclays won’t be investing in the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef!

    Remember Abbot Point, the huge coal port that mega company Adani want to build at the heart of the pristine reef? Last night, Barclays confirmed they have:

    “… no plans to participate in financing the Abbot Point development or its associated mine/rail infrastructure”. [1]

    This is great news, particularly because they haven’t just said they won’t fund the port. They’ve also said they won’t sink money into the mines or the railway lines that take the coal to the coast. Barclays are one of the biggest international investors in Australian coal, so this is pretty huge.

    Thousands of us worked alongside organisations around the world to make this happen. [2] Last week, 38 Degrees members sent over 10,000 tweets to Barclays’ media team, asking for a statement. [3] We got one – but 140 characters or less is hardly a binding commitment. So together we sent an amazing 18,361 emails to Barclays asking them to formally rule out investing in Abbot Point or any of the railways or mines linking to it.

    And we got it! Adani are still on the hunt for investors, but taking Barclays out of the mix is a huge step forward. And it’s people power wot won it. Here’s to the Great Barrier Reef (and to saving Nemo!).

    Thanks for being involved.

    ~~~~

    There are nearly 97,000 signatures on the petition to Cameron about bees and the neonicotinoids that kill them.

  33. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    And guess who fucked up the last time we renegotiated with the EU…

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/476734/Tony-Blair-s-EU-renegotiation-deal-that-cost-Britain-10billion

    Blair – the git* that goes on giving.

    *sic

  34. Nice little ad hominem there I expect. Thought they weren’t allowed! That is from the person who was discussing plants and chickens recently and ‘speaking’ to me as if he was a normal person. Very puzzling double persona.

    Hilde Benjamin = I have never heard of her and don’t intend to find out.

  35. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    “Hilde Benjamin = I have never heard of her and don’t intend to find out.”
    _______________________

    You are the great researcher and finder-out, Mary, so you should google her. I promise you you won’t regret it.

    She might even have been a formative influence on you without you knowing it.

  36. doug scorgie

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    26 Jun, 2014 – 2:52 pm

    “The first bit of the above is just another straw man (from Craig).”
    —————————————–

    Habbabkuk you wouldn’t recognise a straw man if one bit you on your (de-foreskined) winkle.

    You use terms, in an attempt to impress, that you obviously don’t understand.

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “And guess who fucked up the last time we renegotiated with the EU…

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/476734/Tony-Blair-s-EU-renegotiation-deal-that-cost-Britain-10billion

    Blair – the git* that goes on giving.”
    _________________________

    I’m afraid your enthusiasm for giving Blair a good pasting (which is fair enough) has got you into bed* with some rather dubious company (which is regrettable).

    I hadn’t realised you used the Daily Express as a source, but hey, it’s a free (if dumb) country! But you know it’s not the right thing to do!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If anyone’s interested, the “fuck up” was no fuck up at all, Ba’ar. The UK forewent that part of its budget rebate (won by Mrs T) which related to certain expenditures flowing arising directly out of the accession of the central and eastern European member states in 2004. The rationale was that whereas the original rebate was a “correction”” for an EU own resources system and pattern of expenditure which the UK had had no hand in creating and which was unfair to it in financial terms, the UK was itself one of the leading champions of the widening on the EU to the central and eastern European countries and could not therefore reasonably demand that the rebate should also apply to various expenditure related to same.

    Was that clear enough for Eminences and yourself, Ba’al? If not, hands off cocks and re-read very carefully.

    * (Ba’al-type footnote) only figuratively, of course.

  38. Cameron must find it very hard now that Rebekah’s back flouncing amongst the Chipprrs set.

    Im sure she’ll bend over backwards to comfort him though.

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:19 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk you wouldn’t recognise a straw man if one bit you on your (de-foreskined) winkle.

    You use terms, in an attempt to impress, that you obviously don’t understand.”
    ____________________

    Firstly, welcome back, Doug! It was time for my right leg (that’s my kicking leg)to get some exercise again.

    Secondly, you may well be right. So please read Straw Dogs (braised à la Sam Peckinpah) or Bales of Straw, or Bionic Man or Man of Marble (A. Wajda) or whatever pleases you most. You know it makes sense!

  40. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:22 pm

    Jives

    And a merry welcome back to you too, Jonathan!

    May we look forward to some more pearls of wisdom from you, delivered overnight and in time to be read by us tomorrow morning over the buttered toast, scrambled egg and coffee?

    So kind of you, and toodle pip, enjoy your night!

  41. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    Desperately trying to divert from Camerons utter embarassment our socket is getting personal, yawn, again.

    Scotland should it want to stay in Europe would be welcome, its not in the interest of the EU to exclude a country just because they have left and unhappy relationship.
    Cameron will now think twice before suggesting a No vote, his bluster has been called not even Yobbik would consider siding with the Tories.

    His ignorance of the laws of Europe, as well as ours, not to speak of his outburst over Coulson when the judge hasn’t finished makes him unsuitable as PM.

    Maybe sunday mornings selling bananas on Hamburg fishmarket would more be down his rah rah street, he could shout his mouth off as much as he likes.
    Cameron has made a twit of himself and of Britain, what will business negotiations look like after this jokels stand up comedy?

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Jun, 2014 - 5:27 pm

    I must say I feel rather spoilt this evening; it’s not every day that I have the opportunity to dole out some correction to two Eminences and a Useful Idiot within the space of quarter of an hour.

    Thanks guys, you know it was the right thing to do.

  43. The failed sock-puppet – busted in his first ever post here- gushes more drivel.

    The point of sock puppetry is for people not to know youre one Habbatroll.

    Youre really not very good at it are you?

    Your line manager is crying at your ineptitude Habbab-Turvey.

  44. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:30 pm

    The Troll bund, if they were a soccer team, would depart the field at half-time while declaring victory.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/rusbridger-the-worlds-worst-editor/#comment-463128

  45. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    US-0 Germany-1 with 20 left to play.

  46. BrianFujisan

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:35 pm

  47. BrianFujisan

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:43 pm

    Bore ya to tears that Game Ben

    i’d Rather have watched the Ghana v Portugal Game 2 – 1 at the moment to Portugal…bit Late But Come on Ghana.. :)

  48. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 6:51 pm

    The best part is that they have been over=performing as under-dogs. They lost this one, but few thought they would go this far, Brian.

  49. Some worship at the altar of David Cameron, the brave leader with the bulldog spirit, by the BBC’s political editor Nick Robinson.

    Cameron and EU: Defeat and then what?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28043915

  50. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 8:11 pm

    what do I see in our future now?

    I see pitchforks.

    At the same time that people like you and me are thriving beyond the dreams of any plutocrats in history, the rest of the country—the 99.99 percent—is lagging far behind. The divide between the haves and have-nots is getting worse really, really fast. In 1980, the top 1 percent controlled about 8 percent of U.S. national income. The bottom 50 percent shared about 18 percent. Today the top 1 percent share about 20 percent; the bottom 50 percent, just 12 percent.

    But the problem isn’t that we have inequality. Some inequality is intrinsic to any high-functioning capitalist economy. The problem is that inequality is at historically high levels and getting worse every day. Our country is rapidly becoming less a capitalist society and more a feudal society. Unless our policies change dramatically, the middle class will disappear, and we will be back to late 18th-century France. Before the revolution.

    And so I have a message for my fellow filthy rich, for all of us who live in our gated bubble worlds: Wake up, people. It won’t last.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#ixzz35m8X6BSi

    Glad to see there’s self-awareness from this muddle. Can the EU help with this?

  51. “Angela Merkel refused to do it. Standing right next to David Cameron at a press conference in Sweden, Merkel rebuffed intense British diplomatic lobbying when she refused to back the continued existence of the state the man next to her was representing.”

    And why do you think, that is Craig? Because the Germans want to take over Europe, and the UK is the only remaining hurdle to that! Yes, of course Merkel wants an independent Scotland – so that she can throw her weight around and subjugate Scotland, in the same manner she has Ireland, Greece and Portugal.
    In your obsession with Westminster, you are, I’m afraid, hopelessly naive about the EU and its leaders.

  52. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    26 Jun, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Intensely lobbying Merkel, a scientists with a rational brain, you are having a laugh Tom.
    Taking over Europe, says the man from Commonwealth empire, are you well?

    This sort of talk should be directed at the rightwing conspiracies that are hard at work trying to derail what last little bit of humanity still exists in Europe. But they are as much befallen by their own ego’s than the main party politicial oligarchs, desperate to make out that they are representing anyone with their antics.

  53. Germany already runs Europe; or at any rate Europe is run for Germany’s benefit.

    How long before Scotland is sending it’s budget to Berlin for approval?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/ireland-budget-germany-leak

  54. There is a huge cultural chasm between Europeans and our culture weaned at the tits of the Mac US direction (Marshall Plan etc.)

    Stark examples;

    A giant marble vagina sculpture, stood at the Schnarrenberg Institute for Microbiology and Virology in Tübingen celebrating womanhood.

    Contrast;
    A visiting American climbing into the stone vagina and getting trapped and in need rescue by the local fire brigade.

    Conclusion;

    Who won the three that mattered then? (WWI, WWII, World cup 1964)

    Now the beaten Germans are trying to get even the sneaky way, best kick off another war and teach the Jerry who is the boss!

  55. The Torygraph is most concerned by Mr Juncker’s smoking and drinking.

    Headline job.

    Fears over Jean-Claude Juncker’s drinking
    Concerns about the lifestyle of European Commission’s president in waiting raised by EU leaders ahead of key summit
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10929427/Fears-over-Jean-Claude-Junckers-drinking.html

  56. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 12:28 am

    Whistleblowers; a muddle for the lawkeepers.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/6/26/exclusive-scapegoatingthewhistleblower.html

    “Last year, for the first time, De Sousa revealed that she was a CIA operative working for the National Clandestine Service (NCS). For nearly a decade, she had been working behind-the-scenes firing off letters to members of Congress and executive branch officials, informing them that the U.S. violated international laws when the CIA decided to kidnap Abu Omar.

    De Sousa has never publicly discussed all the efforts she undertook to alert government officials and lawmakers that the Abu Omar’s kidnapping was a “colossal mistake” and convince them to investigate her claims of wrongdoing, which implicate top CIA officials. She told Al Jazeera that she first contacted top Bush administration officials, but received no response. In 2009, hoping the response would be different under Obama, she disclosed to then-CIA Director Leon Panetta and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton what she says are troubling details about her treatment by the U.S. government in the aftermath of her whistleblowing. But, like the Bush administration officials before them, they also ignored her pleas, De Sousa says, and the CIA turned her into a “scapegoat” while the executive branch looked away.

  57. Mary, here’s House of Commons Committee Room 14’s vote for Yes in the Scottish independence referendum: https://twitter.com/kittycatboyd/status/482255454832447489

    Watch this space http://www.redpepper.org.uk/radicalcase/ for news of more activities in England & Wales to support Scottish independence.

  58. Kempe.

    “How long before Scotland is sending it’s budget to Berlin for approval?”

    Well the Uk’s been run by a German mob for centuries so why would you give a toss?

  59. Better together

    27 Jun, 2014 - 1:22 am

    Dangling it right in their faces seems to be English tradition

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/elm-guest-house-undercover-cop-3434195

  60. Lebedev wants In.

    What is David Cameron playing at? His anti-EU stance is totally irresponsible
    Just because the PM has it in for Jean-Claude Juncker shouldn’t mean he ignores the advice of British business
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-david-cameron-playing-at-his-antieu-stance-is-totally-irresponsible-9565684.html

    and their cartoon has Cameron naked with Thatcher’s handbag covering the vital bits.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9567047.ece/alternates/w1024/daily-cartoon-20140627.jpg

  61. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 8:27 am

    Juncker: The Corporate Boot Goes In –

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10929427/Fears-over-Jean-Claude-Junckers-drinking.html

    Drinks. Smokes. Probably strangles kittens.

  62. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    27 Jun, 2014 - 9:08 am

    I would not be surprised if Savilles report yesterday was released to take the strain of multiple boots up Camerons backside, a diversion to feed the masses.
    His obstinacy and wriggling is purile, he is the City’s bitch and they tell him how to keep the pirates at it. We could not possibly have the EU look into our affairs, such as the NHS privatisation, the wholesale move of massive taxes to 40% of our representatives in the House of Lords.

    remeber the promise to reform both houses? too late, demolish them!

    Cameron is effectively putting two fingers up to EU voters who for the first time did have a say in the matter of chosing the EU president, as it was signed by the UK and the rest of the EU, so his stance is clearly aimed at us. For that Juncker has to listen to be berated by the Telegraph, o dear, he drinks too much and is lazy…

    Others say, that Merkel could have given him the indisputable nod weeks ago, but she held out to see whether Cameron could muster, not just bluster, in the end he made a twit of himself. Everyone in Europe knew what Junckers was like when they elevated him on to the rostrum, but there is always someone in the crowd who can’t agree. Thats its the British, again, is now tradition in Europe, the moaning started in the 1970’s and it is still de rigueur today.

    Most important, his daddy was a Nazi and hence his fatherly genes must be coursing through Junckers venes. My congratulation to the Tel;egraph for entering the tabloid level of ‘shit for brains’, one stage removed from changing to a smaller format and some more red splashes.

    That said, I do like the Telegraph for detail at times.

  63. OMG, this woman should have a stint on the Newsnight programme. Can you imagine the fallout?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=13PIF3hAYgc

  64. SNAP!

    Tell Ba’al @ 8.27am that I had already said that last night @ 11.28pm!

  65. Meanwhile, here’s a gruesome threesome –

    Poreshenko, Barroso and van Rompoy
    https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75877000/jpg/_75877777_75877374.jpg

    EU signs pacts with ex-USSR states
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28052645

    The squeeze is tightened around President Putin.

  66. Although it is diminishing, there is still vastly more personal freedom in the EU than in the non-EU states of the former Soviet Union. There is also a much better standard of living for ordinary people.

    The more squeeze on Putin – who is a far more vicious killer than anybody currently in power in the West, even Obama – the better. The ability of the British left to ignore Dagestan, Chachnya and the killing of hundreds of independent Russian journalists sickens me.

  67. Jeremy Paxman: I’m a one-nation Tory and ‘Newsnight’ is made by 13-year-olds

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-paxman-im-a-onenation-tory-and-newsnight-is-made-by-13yearolds-9566874.html

  68. “Although it is diminishing, there is still vastly more personal freedom in the EU than in the non-EU states of the former Soviet Union.”

    Yes, but the EU doesn’t deserve any credit for it.

  69. How long will it take for the first rant about Paxman being a Tory and the inevitable bias he has shown over the years? 3..2..1..

  70. “Drinks. Smokes. Probably strangles kittens.”

    Just another monumentally dull apparatchik from another non-country tasked with dismantling European nation states.

    “Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup. I’m ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious. I am for secret, dark debates.” — Jean-Claude Juncker.

    Reportedly not so dull when he’s drunk.

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 Jun, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Mary crows

    “SNAP!

    Tell Ba’al @ 8.27am that I had already said that last night @ 11.28pm!”
    ___________________

    Yes, you’re wonderful, Mary, we know!

    And modest with it!

    ************************

    Habbabkuk says : he who blows his own trumpet will quickly run out of puff.

  72. The UK is dead! Long live the EU!

    So Junket gets the job, the Tories get trashed and next year’s Labour/Liberal coalition deliver no EU referendum exactly as promised. Yes voters of the free west, the undemocratic march for ever more massive government continues.

    Of course Putin is scum but so is Merkel, Junker, Miliband, Salmond. You EU loving liberal left sicken me.

  73. It was nothing to do with ‘crowing’. Yet another reference to chickens. there.

    I was making the point that since Habbabreak came into existence people can end up talking to themselves with an audience of one. I believe I am on Ba’al’s Habbabreak. Fair enough. He’s welcome.

    He might even have a list of some others on there! 😉

  74. Paxman took OUR filthy lucre though so yet another hypocrite/stenographer to power reveals himself.

  75. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    27 Jun, 2014 - 11:08 am

    “The ability of the British left to ignore Dagestan, Chachnya and the killing of hundreds of independent Russian journalists sickens me.”

    It also sickens the left, but the Tariq Ali’s of this world are now interested in getting paid for their utterances and live in big houses just as the establishment. But its a general swipe that should not go unchallenged because the same happens here.

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/michael-hastings-car-crash-death-still-being-investigated

    The ability of the britsh establishment and the right to make out that war with Russia is inevitable, down to ideologues and gangsters, not the outcome of our greed and zest for Russias resources, is a crock, and its full.

    Then this from Anon, a total distortion of facts by someone who has come to love his status as a US bitch. Well bitch, isn’t it nice of the EU to let you run along and go to war/walkies with your hegemonic handler as you see fit, attack this and that country whilst filling your belly at the EU table? and withoput any consequences to you or your country? One could argues that such warmongering is contrare to the EU’s founding statements by the club of Rome, one could argue for change to such selfish anger in future reforms, that nobody should drag the EU into their spats with others, without consequences to their own status.

    And don’t think that these companies frequenting Britain do this to bring us jobs, they are out to use us for their trade in the EU alone, don’t worry they have not forgotten the opium wars and devastation the British empire wrecked on them, now they are in the driving seat.

    “Although it is diminishing, there is still vastly more personal freedom in the EU than in the non-EU states of the former Soviet Union.”

    Yes, but the EU doesn’t deserve any credit for it.

    The EU does deserve credit for it, because without it, the Yugoslav conflict would have taken a different turn, but don’t strain on that, just keep ploughing on with your PM.

    Great news just in from the Anon ‘ymous Times’, Britain will in future make do with Japanese and Chinese cars, not a single person will buy French, Italian or German cars anymore. Further, all the globalised companies leaving Britain for another vasall to be exploited in the EU, this will not mean much loss of taxes to the exchequer as they don’t pay much, will leave a wave of unemployment, so Camerons policies will eventually get the pitchforks out in Britain whilst he is personally switching the lights off.

    what a prat

  76. Of course Putin is scum but Junker strangles kittens! You EU loving liberal left sicken me.

  77. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    27 Jun, 2014 - 11:12 am

    The EU loving left is not left anymore Phil, they never were there for a united movement, just in it for their own little divisive cliques.

    Scotlands Independence, long may it last, will make it obvious that England is the last unreformed bastion denying its citizens a fair vote, not that this will cheer anybody up here.

  78. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 11:15 am

    Just another monumentally dull apparatchik from another non-country tasked with dismantling European nation states.

    I’ll have you know he did very well for Luxembourg. And Vodafone. You should admire his entrepreneurial genius. An inspiration to globalising neocons everywhere. I’m surprised you’re agin him. Which is not to deny his regrettable personal habits, bad breath, the strangled kittens buried in the grounds of his palace and preference for cognac over English (sic) whisky, and whatever the Barclay Bros’ private organ can smear him with. Sorry about that image.

    Cameron wants to reform Europe to reflect the needs of the UK service/financial fraud economy. Otherwise he’s going to get trashed by half his own party and many of his backers at the next election. That’s all this is about.

  79. “Of course Putin is scum but so is Merkel, Junker, Miliband, Salmond. You EU loving liberal left sicken me.”

    Ha ha! Well said, Phil. Personally I’m sickened by the lot of you!

    But seriously, I think some of you have it all arse about foot here. There is nothing in the least Eurosceptic about Cameron. He bows and scrapes before the EU, whilst maintaing the charade of standing up to it for domestic consumption. Truth be told he is pro-EU and has said so on many occasions. He is committed to keeping this country in the European Union.

    “So Junket gets the job, the Tories get trashed and next year’s Labour/Liberal coalition deliver no EU referendum exactly as promised.”

    Spot on, Phil. That was, after all, the whole thinking behind the Tory referendum promise!

  80. Take note Dave.

    Scots NHS satisfaction soars as England’s falls
    Posted by The (Medialens) Editors on June 27, 2014, 9:52 am

    Scotland’s shift away from a commercialised NHS to one based once more on solidarity is proving highly popular with the public.

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/dave-watson/scots-nhs-satisfaction-soars-as-englands-falls

    ~~~

    and watch out, the UN is supporting the Argies over the Thatcher Falklands. So much in the in tray at the moment and all that electioneering to plan for over the next 11 months.

    UN committee backs Argentina over Falkland Islands
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/un-committee-backs-argentina-over-falkland-islands-9566894.html

    plus a new M16 chief to find as Sawers is leaving.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28033521

  81. Some dark mutterings from Germania

    ” Then this from Anon, a total distortion of facts by someone who has come to love his status as a US bitch. Well bitch, isn’t it nice of the EU to let you run along and go to war/walkies with your hegemonic handler as you see fit, attack this and that country whilst filling your belly at the EU table? ”

    Precis of this latest outburst: you can’t be US bitch, you must be our German bitch. You can’t be no-one’s bitch. That would be Little Englander.

  82. The ability of the British left to ignore Dagestan, Chachnya and the killing of hundreds of independent Russian journalists sickens me.

    Putin certainly trumps Obama when it comes to acting the thug, as his forces’ conduct in the second Chechnya war clearly demonstrates . However Russia’s top ranking for journalists getting whacked predates Putin, and has its origins in the oligarch wars of the Yeltsin years-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

    Some high profile murders in the early Putin years were also very probably the work of non state actors-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Klebnikov

  83. ‘But seriously, I think some of you have it all arse about foot here. There is nothing in the least Eurosceptic about Cameron.’

    Anon- Cameron has no fixed beliefs whatsoever, beyond preserving the privileges of his class; he has acquired a Eurosceptic veneer in an effort to appease his disgruntled right wing. His latest anti Juncker charade has backfired badly. Pass the popcorn please.

  84. ‘The UK forewent that part of its budget rebate (won by Mrs T) which related to certain expenditures flowing arising directly out of the accession of the central and eastern European member states in 2004.’

    Thanks Habba for recycling the Eurocrat line used to some good effect against a supine Blair in 2005. The ‘linkage’ between the UK rebate and the admission of the 8 accession states was a pup sold to Blair, then intent on burnishing his Europhile credentials, and nothing more.

    The main reason for the instigation of the rebate by Thatcher was the unsuitability of the CAP to UK needs. In exchange for renouncing the original rebate terms Blair ‘won’ for the UK a commitment from the other member states that a ‘full review’ of the CAP would follow. Blair, in other words, gave up something concrete in return for a lot of hot air.

  85. The disgusting MacShane profits from his prison sentence. Chutzpah. Most normal people would hang their heads in shame and keep a low profile.

    http://www.thebookseller.com/news/biteback-signs-macshane-prison-memoir.html

    The publisher is the oleaginous Iain Dale who signed up Damian MacBride if memory serves me correctly.

    Have you ever seen Dale on Sky News paper reviews with Jacqui Smith? Ugh!

  86. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    A few questions for Juncker. He’s not all you might expect from someone Cameron evidently loathes.

    http://www.globalwitness.org/blog/message-to-jean-claude-junker-will-you-publicly-back-eu-efforts-to-make-business-fairer/

  87. ‘Lebedev wants In.’

    Lebedev’s other organ yesterday had an interesting profile of Radek Sikorski, who must presently be having a big schadenfreude moment at Cameron’s expense.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/the-sikorski-set-the-polish-foreign-minister-has-locked-horns-with-cameron–but-their-history-goes-back-to-the-bullingdon-club-9564492.html

    One thing Sikorski has in common with expat Russian oligarchs, according to this article, is a soft spot for Cameron’s alma mater.

  88. Safe, fast, effective and unlicensed: Habbabreak

    Your sanity helper for Craig Murray’s blog.

  89. doug scorgie

    27 Jun, 2014 - 1:57 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    26 Jun, 2014 – 5:27 pm

    “I must say I feel rather spoilt this evening; it’s not every day that I have the opportunity to dole out some correction to two Eminences and a Useful Idiot within the space of quarter of an hour.”
    ————————

    But you don’t deny that your winkle has no foreskin, do you?

  90. “There is nothing in the least Eurosceptic about Cameron”

    No there isn’t, the City wouldn’t tolerate that. He may have promised a referendum but I’m not aware that he’s undertaken to abide by its result. It will be treated as an opinion poll.

  91. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 2:04 pm

    Doug – please do not give H’s maunderings – blocked for the cognoscenti by the admirable Habbabreak device* – the oxygen of publicity. Your entertaining responses provide enough information on what has prompted them.

    *it’s free. Try it.

  92. You think you’ve got problems?

    Habbabreak!
    Helping the Al-Hillis thread community, still going strong at 20,323 comments.

  93. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 Jun, 2014 - 2:24 pm

  94. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    27 Jun, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    20, 324.

  95. The French have a healthier disrespect for their political elite than the UK at the moment. Mrs Thatcher’s reform of that elite brought in a more grasping, more corporate and more brutal one, so it is reasonable to assume that when Thatcher spawn Cameron uses the word reform of the EU he wants to replace the current Federalist elite with a more grasping, more federal and more brutal one.

    Signs of that brutality from the EU have already been seen in the Ukraine. Signs of that increased federality have been seen in France’s air strikes in Libya, Mali and nearly Syria. Increased Graspingness have been seen in the daylight robbery of Ireland Greece, Spain and Portugal.

    We know what conservative politicians mean by Reform. Since it was Cameron who started the war in Syria using UK snipers against innocent demonstrators and Syrian army members, we would also expect to find more of the same in the project of Iraq/Syria.

    More graspingness, more federality and more brutality = Tory Reform.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article184372.html

  96. Hi Baal

    Not only does Habbabreak allow you to hide all comments by any person of your choice, there is also a special fun option to hide any comment which even mentions Habbabkuk (no matter who wrote it). This is retained as a legacy nod to inspiration.

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