The revelation that undercover Met officers spied on the family of Jean Charles De Menezes after they murdered him, leaves me utterly appalled.
You have to consider this in the context of the lies that the Met assiduously spread about De Menezes – that he entered the tube without buying a ticket, that he vaulted the ticket gates, that he ran away from officers, that he was wearing a bulky jacket.
All of these were lies. In truth the poor man had entered the tube normally and legally, walked calmly and sat down with a free newspaper. He wore a short tight denim jacket. Then totally without any cause or justification from his actions whatsoever, his murderers shot him multiple times in the head. Just because his Brazilian complexion looked a bit Arab.
I can think of no category of lie worse than that told by a murderer against the reputation of their victim.
The police did everything they could to mislead the media, planting lies and encouraging stories they knew to be untrue. Personally I find it extremely suspicious that numerous CCTV cameras were found not to be working, and have little doubt that the police destroyed that evidence.
There can be no other motive for spying on De Menezes’ family than either the hope of gaining information to feed to the media to discredit the man they murdered, or to attempt to pervert the course of justice.
They did not have to worry – their were plenty of others to pervert the course of justice for them, including the DPP and above all, Sir Michael Wright, as disgusting a piece of scum as ever sat on an English bench, who directed the inquest jury that they could not return a verdict of unlawful killing. (I was delighted to find that, when I googled Sir Michael Wright, my article on him came high on the first page. Is that result tailored by Google for me, or is it general?)
The recent revelation that the Met spied on Menezes’ family sparked very little public interest. It should. It is a still more appalling outrage than the Murdoch press hacking Millie Dowler. At least the Murdoch gang had not actually murdered Millie Dowler themselves. The De Menezes family were being spied on by their son’s and brother’s murderers.
“Wasn’t there some evidence about Saddam getting yellowcake from Nigeria”
No. It was proven to be fake, almost on day one.
But that bit didn’t fit the theory, MJ, so we wouldn’t have been told… oh yes, then there was the great ogre who took babies from incubators, and let them die on the floor, and such people could do anything….
wasn’t that true either?
” The recent revelation that the Met spied on Menezes’ family sparked very little public interest. ”
Possibly because it didn’t come as much of a surprise. I think most people will remember the smear campaign, the lies and the cover up but we’ve been here before.
http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/met-spied-on-lawrence-family
Clark –
No. 4 on my search (Google.com, not UK)
Well done, Craig.
Something I noticed about Google recently when I was searching for a specific comment; searching on a specific phrase, on the specific site craigmurray.org.uk, returns no results on google.com. It only works on google.co.uk.
My latter point, about Iraq news late 2002/early 2003, was that if people at the top of government were telling blatant lies, and getting away with it, this despicable behaviour was bound to descend the food chain. There was even lying in high level reports… e.g. not quoting sources (for obvious reasons!)… in the dodgy dossier.
And once trust has gone, it is difficult to get back.
Specifically, trust has to be earned, whereas the opposite has happened.
There be shenanigans afoot in the robot.txt file
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Whence any state engages in criminal conduct as standard, ultimately her citizen will follow suit. Justice Jackson
The word ‘murder’ is being misused. The killing of Menezes was a tragic error. If the police initially believed that Menezes was a terrorist, this would explaining their spying on his family. I imagine that such activity declined once it became evident that a terrible mistake had been made.
No Abe they spied on his family AFTER the killing when the family were trying to get some justice and discover the truth.
This is Cressida Dick, “Gold Commander” on the day of the Stockwell shooting, giving a very dismal interview after the Lee Rigby verdict.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25446194
@Abe: their phones were being hacked by Glenn Mulcaire. This got out onto twitter with the rest in the days before people could do a “McAlpine”, but it escaped wider media reporting.
Nice bit of revisionism, if only the initial reports were not telling of a “Muslim Terrorist”! Any surveillance on the poor family of the murdered Jean, would have flagged; he is a decent Catholic boy.
Hence it is post the murder of of Jean his family are spied on too, in case they have got to know the stuff of puffer jackets bare wires and CCTV down as well as athletically jumping over the barriers and not paying the tube fare, damn those free loading terrorists!
This article in today’s Independent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/phone-hacking-scandal-police-are-holding-back-evidence-claims-glenn-mulcaire-9616925.html
Anyone tried the fifth link julyseventh ?
What did you get?
Douglas Clark
btl. Try commenting on li[n]es you do understand before trying to read between the li[n]es you don’t understand.
If your British police state weren’t hopelessly degenerate, you’d have a dozen Christopher Dorners pitching in to cull these pigs.
Chris Dorner burnt alive by cops who won’t risk a fingernail of their own in the performance of duties. Cops routinely pepper suspect cars with a Gazan precision because they value their own hides to the detriment of the public.
The two old ladies and their newspaper delivery truck (with over a hundred bullet holes) was not a rookie mistake.
Many of the shooters had detective badges; our finest. Of course they received cash-cow justice, courtesy of the taxpayers. I think if pensions of the complicit could be raided for compensation, the trigger-happy might think twice.
Their response is much like the IDF; overwhelming force and ‘shock & awe’ with little or no consequence. Fullerton, california police who beat an autistic man to death, were dutifully given a free-pass by the jury. Justice, of course, is not a guarantee, just a snowball’s chance in Hell. The public doesn’t feel safe unless they are given free-reign to dispense street-corner justice. It’s all good, because it only happens to other people.
The Sir Michael Wright post that Craig did came up fourth on my search too.
DoNNyDarKo:
I’ve had similar results looking for those pictures of the 7/7 trains and like you, I can distinctly remember seeing numerous soon after the event. Time to have a look at some of my older hard drives.
I don’t think we really know who De Menezes was or why he died, so I find it hard to be appalled or surprised at the surveillance. The official version of this horrifying and very disturbing incident doesn’t ring true at all, any more than the murder of Stephen Lawrence does. I can’t help thinking that the police in this case, as well as with Lawrence, are taking the rap for other people in the state apparatus and to try to hide the real motivations for what happened.
Clark wrote:
Just tried a search on google.com using site:craigmurray.org.uk and it worked okay for me Clark.
Also – I note that although google searches for “Sir Michael Wright” display Craig’s article prominently, Microsoft’s Bing doesn’t even have it on the front page although it does appear on page 2 of the Bing results for me.
Tom
I know who I am but I’ve absolutely no idea who I am on the government’s file. It probably says I’m mad because I had a breakdown, and bad because I’m a Muslim, and sad because I don’t swallow the lies fed me by my Prevent Muslim overlords.
The other day I was having a row with my wife, about politics, and whether the Islamic Caliphah is a Zionist creation , and we got buzzed by a helicopter. So who are the fruit loops?
ye olde fartes in ye Houses of parlemente who are universal friends of Israel, or us seekers of truth???
The powers that be are still unable to admit that they spy on Muslims in their homes, so they fire up the chopper to get their message across. The death of jean Charles De Menezes was not a tragic accident. If you drive too fast you can’t call it an accident if you have a crash. It’s a deliberate calculated and reckless mistake.
The security forces are so fired up on government anti-Muslim shit that they can’t tell the difference between a human being and an X box animation. Not fruit loops:- cocaine loops. They spend so much time eavesdropping on us normal human beings and ignoring the boringness of our humble existences, that when the order comes down to shoot, out of sheer, mindnumbing boredom – straightaway they shoot.
Well done for raising this Craig. This was a very dark day in our modern history.
Tom: You should be aware that murder may indeed not be an appropriate term, as the police officers themselves would have been under orders. Tariq Ali called it an execution live on a British radio debate (and got plenty of applause).
He revised this further for his 2006 book “Rough Music: Blair Bombs Baghdad London Terror” to “Public Execution”. Wow… was that really 8 years ago…
When Craig testified before the JCHR about Torture he stated that the US and UK had created a ‘market’ for torture, merely by using information gathered by torture.
Something of this idea applies to spying as well. A market is created for working for the powers that be. Some Muslims are devious enough to seek favour from the authorities by ‘selling’ their Muslim brothers to them, causing them problems in their daily lives. They stole my car keys and burnt out my car. They spread malicious rumours about me in the Muslim community.
But far more worrying than these pathetic Muslim politicos are the humble police officers who actually believe the shit being fed them by the security services. Last time I went to leafy Sussex I got picked up by local police alerts the second I arrived at the shingle of Seaford beach, and when I left the town later on they snook up behind me in their patrol car a layby in the middle of nowhere while I was making a phone call.
All I do is make comments on CM blog. I ask you, who are the real fruit loops?
AlcAnon/Squonk, 10:19 pm; yes, I just tried it and got the correct result from both google.com and google.co.uk. It was a few months ago that I encountered the problem. I tried it several times over the course of some weeks; I ended up bookmarking both advanced search pages.
Blairs seem to have fallen out with the Daily Mirror:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-blairs-son-extraordinary-legal-3919614
And the change.org petition seems to have gained new traction… now approaching 50000.
Migrant throws petrol bomb at town hall in bid to be sent back to Poland
Less said about the people smuggling rings for taking immigrants out of UK are getting quietly busted with no song and dance.
Mind “green shoots of recovery” are everywhere, and the booming poverty is a clear indication of economy being at the cusp of a trough.
Yes Fourth in a Google Search.
So they can murder innocent’s in front of dozens of witnesses, it’s only cos they Know they’ll get away with it…Rotten to to the Core…Swines.
Mark @ 11;33 am
“Keep in mind that Malaysia is an independently minded country that has indicted Bush and Blair for war crimes.”
They have just done the same with Israel….but what shall become of the findings, Sigh –
Israel Charged with War Crimes and Genocide. Complete Judgment of Kuala Lumpur Tribunal
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-charged-with-war-crimes-and-genocide-complete-judgment-of-kl-tribunal/5359433
In the 7/7 Ripple Effect video, John Anthony Hill wonders if Jean Charles De Menezes could have been contracted to do electrical work for the real perpetrators and was likely to realise this, making him a target for elimination. Has anything ever come to light in this regard?
Rob Royston
“In the 7/7 Ripple Effect video, John Anthony Hill wonders if Jean Charles De Menezes could have been contracted to do electrical work for the real perpetrators and was likely to realise this, making him a target for elimination. Has anything ever come to light in this regard?”
Who, in your mind, were the “real perpetrators”, Rob?