MH17 – Curiouser and Curiouser 68


Pro-Russian forces have removed large parts of MH17, and then substituted or altered them before returning to the site. This is extraordinarily important.

I know and absolutely trust Natalia Antalaeva of the BBC. About one hour ago she broadcast live on BBC World that OSCE observers had witnessed that sections of fuselage were being removed from the site, taken away and later returned after having been replaced or altered. In particular a large piece of tail section had been taken away and later something had been brought back which, according to the OSCE observers, “looked different” from the original.

Natalia said she had herself witnessed rebel forces cutting up sections of fuselage and removing pieces, and cranes lifting large parts of the wreck.

Extraordinarily, a few minutes after this report, the presenter hurriedly added that the BBC had of course no idea why this activity was taking place, it could be for totally legitimate reasons such as searching for evidence. Then silence – there has been no repeat, it has not appeared on the strapline, it was not in the hourly bulletin, and having just googled it I can find nothing on line.

It seems to me that there is a determination to put the lid back on this one at least until after the EU foreign ministers meeting today. I am drafting a substantial post on MH17, possibly for posting tomorrow. The real story is the collusion of the financial elite in making sure nothing is done about Russia.


68 thoughts on “MH17 – Curiouser and Curiouser

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  • harry law

    “Curiouser and curiouser” cried Alice. “Sentence first – verdict afterwards” said Craig Murray.

  • Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    Does anyone remember the Ukraine-based Georesonance and MH370? Putin was behind that attempt to further embarrass the incompetent investigation, and it was time someone issued some PAYBACK !!!

  • guano

    During the 2008 Banking Crisis, when the stupidity of Mrs Thatcher’s idea to trust bankers with money was finally proved, the financial elite were determined that the blame was put firmly on Gordon Brown. He was flying the machine according to the Bilderberg instruction book. It didn’t have a paragraph on what to do when the plane was attacked.

    So they told him to remove the evidence of how the attack had been done which would have easily shown who had stolen all the money, and he dutifully replaced the money with other money to hide the evidence.

    Same here. The West has an agenda to subject the entire world to its NWO control. It ramrodded its agenda into Europe and anywhere controlled by the World Bank. It is currently pursuing its United Capitalist agenda in Muslim countries by proxies of terror. It is also pursuing its agenda against Russia and China.

    The aggressor is the West. The stupid idea they believe in is collossally in debt or bankrupt, while the sensible ideas Russia and China have are either in balance or strongly in credit. The ancient freedoms of the West are rapidly disappearing down the plughole to the level of worse than the post-Communist states.

    The only question here is whether the Ukrainian jets tailing MH17 were giving co-ordinates of the malaysian plane to Ukranian BUK missiles or fishing for Russian BUK missile fire and ghosting their own co-ordinates onto the Malaysian civilian plane’s co-ordinates to draw Russian missiles. Obviously they have the technology to do this because of what they, NATO, did to MH370.

    Anybody who thinks that Russia is the aggressor has either been brainwashed by the FCO, or asleep for the last 20 years of total warfare unleashed on an otherwise booming, peaceful world by the Zionist US.

  • Peacewisher

    One reason, Craig, why the BBC have stopped showing it is because their agenda seems to have changed to the great palladium poisoning puzzle, and the public inquiry that is about to start. It is a “human” story, and the mmedia love to pull at our heartstrings. And yes, hats off to the persistence for justice of the wife of the former KGB agent.

  • OldMark

    ‘Then silence – there has been no repeat, it has not appeared on the strapline, it was not in the hourly bulletin.’

    Natalia’s report headed up the Beeb’s lunchtime bulletin on terrestrial TV, and similar reports of possible interference with the plane debris by the rebels headed up ITN’s bulletin.

    ‘It seems to me that there is a determination to put the lid back on this one at least until after the EU foreign ministers meeting today’

    The tone of the Beeb reporter in Brussels in the same bulletin was that another slab of prime Eurofudge is now being baked.

  • Gantal

    Only two countries have used SAMS against civilian airlines: In 1988, the US Navy shot down an Iranian Airlines Flight 655 over the Strait of Hormuz. In 2001, the Ukrainian Army downed Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 during live fire exercises.

    (In 1996 the Navy also apparently mistakenly, brought down TWA Flight 800 off the East Coast. The Navy has been reticent about confirming this kill, for some reason).

  • Patrick Haseldine

    IF there has been interference with MH17 crash evidence, that would be a breach of yesterday’s UN Security Council Resolution. Why on earth would Russia or the separatists risk jeopardising the Unanimity at the United Nations?

    On Monday 21 July 2014, the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) unanimously adopted a Resolution calling for a full and independent investigation into the crash of Flight MH17 last Thursday in Ukraine.

    The Resolution also demands that international officials are able to access the crash site safely.

    The UNSC’s five permanent members are China, France, the United Kingdom, the United States and Russia. Its ten non-permanent members are Argentina, Australia, Chad, Chile, Jordan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Nigeria, South Korea and Rwanda.

    It was initially unclear if Russia would support the UNSC Resolution given its support of pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine who were allegedly impeding attempts to begin investigations at the crash site.

    The UN News Centre announced:

    In a unanimously adopted Resolution, the 15-member body condemned “in the strongest terms” the downing of Flight MH17 on 17 July in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, which resulted in the tragic loss of 298 lives.

    It supported efforts to establish “a full, thorough and independent international investigation” into the incident in accordance with international civil aviation guidelines.

    Security Council members also insisted on the “dignified, respectful and professional” treatment and recovery of the bodies of the victims.

    Further, the Security Council demanded that the armed groups in control of the crash site and the surrounding area “refrain from any actions that may compromise the integrity of the crash site, including by refraining from destroying, moving or disturbing wreckage, equipment, debris, personal belongings, or remains, and immediately provide safe, secure, full and unrestricted access to the site.”

    It also demanded that all military activities, including by armed groups, be immediately ceased in the immediate area surrounding the crash site to allow for security and safety of the international investigation.

    The UN Security Council also demanded that those responsible for this incident to be held to account and that all States cooperate fully with efforts to establish accountability.

  • Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    Well the NTSB must continue apologizing for having been buggered by FBI. It’s like the guy Cheney shot in the face.

    All those witnesses who saw missile contrails going up to the plane should also apologize.

  • MJ

    ‘It seems to me that there is a determination to put the lid back on this one at least until after the EU foreign ministers meeting today’

    It seems to me that there is a determination to discredit the findings of the investigation before it has taken place.

    Flightradar24 is still reporting that MH17 was cancelled and did not fly on the 17th. Note too that MH17 flew as normal on all subsequent days, which is strange.

    http://www.flightradar24.com/flight/mh17

    One of the first things an investigation will be able to do is determine the identity of the plane using serial numbers printed on key components. That wreckage is very important.

  • Gordon

    Craig. From your loyal readers, 39 comments disputing your BBC-certified assertion and none in support. Plus the citation from Sofia above and the handover of the blackboxes to Malaysian authorities. Makes you seem like a governmental stooge or fool. Please use these responses to re-assess your Putin/Russiano-phobic bias before your next post. Why do you hate Putin and support Cameron?

  • gadfly

    “sections of fuselage were being removed from the site, taken away and later returned after having been replaced or altered”

    The implication being that they are replacing original parts of the plane with fake ones in order to misdirect the investigators.

    Well, this is RIDICULOUS – they may have been conducting separate checks on a few parts of the wreckage – just to make sure, you know – independent experts today, may not be too independent – but the idea that they would have a complete, dismantled 777 with all the correct part numbers, inner characteristics etc.etc. in place for exchange…well, what do you think?

    Natalia Antalaeva of the BBC may be trustworthy, but her technical knowledge about planes may have fallen far too short in this instance.

  • CharlieAngel

    Oh Craig, you seem to have forgotten the golden rules of the blogosphere and thus are in danger of irritating the sensitive souls who inhabit it. So just to remind you….

    1. Whatever is said on Russia Today is correct, factual and always impartial. It MUST be taken at face value immediately and never questioned.

    2. Whatever is said on the BBC is a lie. It’s a propaganda machine controlled by the elite and all it ever does is report false flags. It cannot be believed.

    3. Accidents never happen. Everything has meaning. Nothing occurs without the NWO elite being behind it. Only a fool would be so naive to believe that a load of young trigger happy battle worn men with big toys would ever fire a missile without doing the correct checks. Only sheeply believe we live in a world so simple…

    4. Following on from Rule 3, we live in a world where said elite (presumably on some secret island HQ) is so powerful and amoral that it is able to set up a civilian aircraft to be shot out of the sky and not only cover it up (easy when the BBC is under your control) but also steer every variable afterwards.

    5. Keep repeating the old mantra – cui bono. And remember, that if a bad guy benefits then he is ALWAYS responsible for it. It stands to reason. Which is why I’m worried as I got my my present job after my colleague got pregnant. I guess I must have missed sorting that one out 😉

    I’m sure there are many more rules but I am already drowning in a sea of credulity I fear….

  • andy

    Antalaeva quotes the OSCE Observers at the beginning of her report, ”parts of the wreckage have been changed from when they first saw them”.

    At the end of her report she says ”what we didn’t know all along is where these parts were being taken now we are hearing from the international observers that these parts of the plane have been replaced”.

    Why didn’t Antalaeva quote the OSCE Observers saying parts have been ”replaced”?

    If the OSCE Observers know parts have been replaced why did they not say so?

    Is there an OSCE report or something in the media reporting parts of the plane have been carried off on trucks?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28415769

  • Kempe

    English obviously isn’t Antalaeva’s first language so it’s not clear what she means by changed; changed as in altered or changed as in substituted. The implication is that parts of the wreckage that might hold important clues are either being taken away or the relevant sections, showing blast or shrapnel marks, have been cut out and disposed off.

    This post and Craig’s subsequent one were clearly going to upset “the west is always bad, anybody else is good” conspiracy theorists that seem to predominate here. Time they were hit with a bit of reality.

  • Pierluigi

    I am definitely surprised by Craig’s sudden change of attitude…. so far he has been very careful and critic of all sources, now all of a sudden he bashes Russia, gives it 100% sure that it’s all Russia’s fault and treats of gullible anybody who still wants to see with his eyes and doesn’t believe in unsubstantiated assertions. I feel that here we have lost a valuable advocate of truth. Too bad, he becomes just one more of the many.

  • mark golding

    CharlieAngel – While I appreciate your cynicism my urge is to move your eyes across the words of Guano @ 1:45pm where perhaps reason and dialectics may wash your mind clear of the lampoon that distorts your judgement.

  • andy

    @Kempe

    English obviously isn’t Antalaeva’s first language so it’s not clear what she means by changed; changed as in altered or changed as in substituted.

    Antalaeva is quoting the OSCE Observers when she says ”changed’.

    At the end of her report she says ”replaced”.

    She says ”we are hearing from the international observers that these parts of the plane have been replaced”.

    I simply wonder why, with such important news, parts being ”replaced”, the OSCE Observers didn’t make that clear.

    Maybe it’s not important but the media will miss-quote and before you know it’s official the plane parts have been ”replaced” to hid evidence, not simply moved about while people look for bodies, valuables or scrap.

  • Salford Lad

    The speed at which the Western media and presstitutes jumped to condemn Russia and demonise Putin because of the MH17 incident is indeed worthy of Edward Louis Bernays, the relative of Sigmund Freud and author of the seminal book ‘Propaganda’. A favourite in Goebbels library.
    We have a tale here of demonization, deceit, distraction. These are all the precursors used against Saddam in Iraq, Assad in Syria, Qaddafi in Libya and against Iran.
    It must be obvious to even the dogs in the street that there is an agenda in place here. It does not take a genius to trace the originators of these dirty trick plays, it has become rather boring to see the sheeple fall in line each time with the ‘.message’. as espoused by the puppetmasters
    If it were a court of Law the lawyers would be disbarred and the judge would have declared a mistrial.
    The proof exists as to the culprits in this sad episode, It can be found in the voice recordings from the air traffic controllers at Kiev, in the Kiev radar tracking records, in the Russian civil and military radar tracking and in Satellite images from an American satellite which was immediately overhead at the time. Including the recordings from the aircrafts black box.
    There has been so much anti-Russian hysteria whipped up by the MSM it is dumbfounding.
    Intelligent people no longer succumb to the politically correct message as issued by the compromised Western media. The BBC obviously stays on message as promulgated from Washington as does their poodle Cameron.
    For a more balanced assessment of what is going on in Ukraine and the MH17 disaster check the attached;
    http://www.vineyardsaker.blogspot.mx/

  • nevermind, it will happen anyway

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    Giving the high profile of this downing of an airliner, however it was accomplished, we should expect the same rigmarole that marked the Lockerbie tragedy, i.e full reconstruction.

    If ms Antaleva thinks that one can just interchange certain parts and numbers, she is wholly mistaken, they do not fit together ala Heath- Ronbinson but there are corresponding edges, even if the plabe is ripped apart.

    This speculative BBC report seems designed to prejudge the evidence. what a schock it must have been seeing the untampered flight recorder being handed over without much fuss. Lets assume for now that the Malaysian authorities looking into the evidence don’t get nobbled by one or other diplomatic mission.

  • Dave Lawton

    @Peacewisher.”One reason, Craig, why the BBC have stopped showing it is because their agenda seems to have changed to the great palladium poisoning puzzle, and the public inquiry that is about to start. It is a “human” story, and the mmedia love to pull at our heartstrings. And yes, hats off to the persistence for justice of the wife of the former KGB agent.”

    You mean Polonium 210 .I remember that incident and the late Boris Berezovsky shouting it was Putin’s man,because the only place Polonium 210 could have come from was a Russian nuclear
    installation.More Bullshit. At the time I felt outraged at the BBC and other people swallowing that. Swallow that story you will swallow anything. For starters Israel use to produce Polonium 210 and many other countries. The US use to experiment with it on human guinea pigs. I will just throw this in, you could buy it off the internet,maybe you still can.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    CharlieAngel

    Welcome to the blog!

    If you’re hungry, be sure that the Eminences and Useful Odiots will continue to provide you with PLENTY of nourishment. 🙂

  • OrwellianUK

    So it’s “Russia’s doing” this alleged removal then return of aircraft parts? And your evidence for this is what exactly? The Separatists couldn’t possibly have their own agenda at all? Come on Craig you can do better than this. Whenever the subject of Russia and Putin comes up you seem to lose all your objectivity and logic and don your Cold War hat. It’s a bit embarrassing.

    Even if the Separatists did shoot down the airliner, it beggars belief that they would do it deliberately and if we take their responsibility at face value (I for one don’t) the issue is the propaganda stream and Western exploitation of this tragedy for Geopolitical purposes. All other factors – such as militia moving bits of plane about – are peripheral at best.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    OrwellianUK (NB- very silly moniker!)

    “Whenever the subject of Russia and Putin comes up you seem to lose all your objectivity and logic and don your Cold War hat. It’s a bit embarrassing.”
    __________________

    I don’t find it embarrassing in the least. My word of choice would be “entertaining”: it’s such fun to see Craig giving it to the Putin-worshippers straight between their myopic little eyes.

  • Fedup

    Swallow that story you will swallow anything. For starters Israel use to produce Polonium 210 and many other countries. The US use to experiment with it on human guinea pigs.

    Is actually epsom salts left in a reactor to be bombarded for its transmutation to Polonium. It is widely used in industry for leaking away the static electricity.

    But bless the public tell them anythingium and they will conjure up images of Hiroshima in their mind.

    I will never forget the interview of a couple of NASA scientists during which one of them referred to “nuclear batteries” on board the satellites, and when the reporter asked; “nuclear batteries in orbit”.

    The second scientist slapped won the first one and said no high capacity batteries!

  • kurringai

    Habbabkuk, you’re so arch, so knowing and you know heaps about others – their motivations and so on. How did you get this way? Was it some special education? Was your father a diplomat? Did you play chess at master level as a child?

    Keep up your good work. Honestly, yours are the finest comments by a crashing boor I’ve ever had the pleasure to read.

  • OrwellianUK

    You call yourself Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) ! and you say my Monikers silly? I’ve encountered you before and you’re a silly little troll.

    Pointing out Craig’s lack of objectivity and baseless assertions on this issue isn’t the same as being a Putin Worshipper. I know exactly what Putin is as do most posters here. Like me, they mostly are aware that Western leaders are at least as bad as he is.

  • Mary

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    22 Jul, 2014 – 8:53 pm

    Is an ‘odiot’ a synonym for ‘troll’? ie an odious idiot.

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