Forget Those Shredded Children, Hadley Freeman is the Real Victim Here

by craig on August 8, 2014 6:40 pm in Uncategorized

Do not be deceived. The murdered innocents of Gaza are not those who are really suffering. It is the liberal Jews like Hadley Freeman, victims of the new anti-Semitism.

Israel is a state openly founded on racist and theocratic grounds, in which Jews have an absolute right to live in Israel, wherever in the world they were born and their families have been for centuries, and nobody else does. The unfortunate pre-1946 occupants of the land have been mostly driven out into refugee camps, including in Gaza, while religiously motivated settlers continue apace to grab the best Palestinian land and water. The state does this for them precisely and explicity because they are Jewish. Those non-Jews who remained in Israel proper are subject to a whole raft of apartheid style legislation, even governing whom they may marry, and the quantity of this legislation is increasing. 140 Israeli laws specify treatment by race.

Israel is as a state entirely based and run on a racist premise. Its very foundation is racist. But while the Israeli state may steal land specifically for Jews, make provision for Jews, and make life difficult for non-Jews, anybody else who mentions Jews in the context of Israeli behaviour is a vicious racist and anti-Semite. This warped and ludicrous logic is enforced by political orthodoxy and the mainstream media.

It is as though, in opposing apartheid, it was taboo to mention it had been invented for the benefit of white people.

Reading Freeman’s long self-pitying self-centred whinge I was waiting to find out what had actually happened to her to occasion some distress. Had she had a brick through her window? Had she been assaulted in the street? Has somebody hurled racial abuse at her?

Apparently none of the above. It appears that she feels under unfair pressure to denounce the actions of Israel. And- horror of horrors – the Tricycle Theatre has cancelled a Jewish Film Festival in Kilburn because it was financed by the Israeli Embassy. Oh no, the agony! How can a poor girl survive in a North London which is so rife with anti-Semitism! It reminded me forcefully of the very first diplomatic social engagement of my professional career, in 1985 when our Afrikaaner hostess held forth on how she thought people looked down on her in Harrods.

I deplore racism with every part of my being, all racism. Freeman makes what is intended to be a smart observation that the Tricycle’s act “reminds me how very far I am from the States”. It is very plain that she regrets that and believes that the US attitude to Israel is better than the British one.

This then morphs into the meme that the reaction to the Gaza massacre is part of a wave of the “new anti-Semitism”. There have indeed been several deplorable anti-Semitic incidents in Europe in the last few months. But they have killed absolutely nobody in the last two years, while Israel has killed 1,500 people. There have been three terrible examples of racial murders of Jews in the past eight years, and there needs to be continued and unremitting vigilance against all hate crime. The disruption of Hadley’s cinema treats and the daubing of paint on a synagogue are in themselves bad things. But do they really compare to the massive disproportionate force being used to destroy over 1,000 women and children in a month in Gaza, and the context of the entire seventy year programme of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people?

You are right, Hadley. Just because you are Jewish does not mean you should be under special pressure to condemn Israel’s actions. But if you take it upon yourself to write a long article on the subject, we are entitled to expect you – as a human being – to condemn the massacre. And as in the article you write about nothing but your own angst and the evils of anti-Semitism, and manage not a single word of sympathy or regret for the victims of the terrible massacre in Gaza, we are entitled to form our own opinion.

And my opinion is that you are a wholly self-centred and self-regarding little person with an abject lack of moral perspective, who seems to think the murder of 1500 people is about the impact on your feelings.

Hadley, you are not disgusting because you are Jewish: you are just a disgusting human being.

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  1. can you compare gaza with the warsaw ghetto in 1944 or was it 43?
    have you read ernst sommer’s book REVOLT OF THE SAINTS? (1949)
    Its a must read

  2. Yes, it is all about her.

  3. conjunction

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:02 pm

    One of the points which you make, and which you have made several times recently, is that you do not believe in the right of Jewish people to have a racially distinct state in the Middle East.

    I myself do not know what I think about this. Your position has a lot of logic, and it is hard to see how the state of Israel as it is conceived can avoid a lot of trouble, but, when you look at the treatment Jewish people were getting around the time of WW2, its hard at least for me to argue against the idea. I think a lot of people think that and that is the basis of the two state solution proposal.

    Hadley Freeman says ‘Please don’t tell me what I should think about Israel’.

    The state of Israel has a special status in the world. No other state in the world has a comparable status, a protected status, and perhaps this is why HF thinks she can float above the debate about Gaza while taking potshots at liberals.

    I am confused about this but it seems to me the real debate is about the parameters of the state of Israel, and anticipating some of the reaction I am liable to get on this blog, the problem needs more than slogans and vitriol, it needs some reason.

  4. Vlad (not that one}

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:08 pm

    I imagine that’s scuppered your chances as the future Scottish ambassador to Tel Aviv. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

  5. How much anti-Semitism is blowback against perceptions of racist pro-Israeli anti-Palestinian propaganda and Israel Lobby influence? The latter in turn play upon anti-Semitism; extremes thus support each other in dynamic tension.

  6. Poor Hadley.

    Now,if North London delicatessens run out of tofu and muesli i fear the girl might crack completely.

  7. I think your article does Hadley Freeman a gross injustice. It wasn’t an article on the Israeli/Gaza conflict so she didn’t need to express her regret at the loss of Palestinian life. I’m sure as a liberal she’s appalled by it.

    It was a piece about the overspill of criticism of Israel into anti-Semitism as evidenced by the decision of the Tricycle Theatre. It is not for anyone, let alone them to tell Jews how they should behave towards Israel.

    You would do well to remember what happened in Germany in the 30s. You’re all deluded if you think there aren’t strong strands of anti-Semitism appearing and it’s very disturbing.

    You should also be aware that there are 1.5m Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel. They actually have more rights there than they have in any other Arab country. The situation in the West Bank and Gaza is different, appalling and needs to be addressed but your labelling of Israel as racist is factually inaccurate and further fans the flames of hatred. It will get us nowhere.

  8. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    Bang on Craig
    ‘This warped and ludicrous logic is enforced by political orthodoxy and the mainstream media.’

    Today must have been hogwash day in America, when the president looks desperately at his lack of actions, how he could possibly be seen as a Humanitarian taking an interest in these persecuted minorities, whilst not looking at the massakers done, with his say so, by Ukrainian fascists or the pre determined murder of hundreds of gaza’s children by his Israeli handler Bibi in Gaza.

    So he promises some bombing to stop genocide, it gets amplified by his world wide bitches and transmitted all day long, the majoprity believes this chaff and think ‘good on him’ when he merely goes through the motion of opening his cake hole.

    Humanitarian action promised today by Obama is equallyu racist. Its fine to ‘stop genocide’ in Iraq, albeit from great hight and only sporadic, one would not want to agrieve one’s Saudi/ ISIS backers now, would one?

    The differences are stark, Gaza’s Arab Muslim population experiencing a reprehensible death toll on its civilian population, is no subjected to Israeli genocide of its people, does not in any way equate to racism. But Syria’s Yazidi orthodox Christians, having been pressurised and abused by these Saudi mercenaries and rapists, are in fear of their lioves fleeing into the mountains, here the term genocide is appropriate.

    Our media does not want or dare to ask the right questions and it is more important for our national public broadcaster to cover George, sniff, snortel Osborne’s manky cat, than it is to have a principled debate as to what and what does not qualify as genocide.

  9. Republicofscotland

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:57 pm

    Westminster, Putin’s a murdering monster, the Whitehouse we must stop Putin, the UN and the EU we must enforce sanctions on Putin, in contrast, Israels genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza, its all the fault of Hamas.

    As for anti-Semitism the IDL are opening branches all over the world,here’s the latest one.

    And with Israel now recognised as a country, its opening embassies and consulates all over the world, Israel now has over 98 embassies and consulates scattered around the globe,backed up by the IDL.

    Palestine has no such luck.

  10. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:15 pm

    “Just because you are Jewish does not mean you should be under special pressure to condemn Israel’s actions. But if you take it upon yourself to write a long article on the subject, we are entitled to expect you – as a human being – to condemn the massacre.”

    Which is of course what she did

    “Proud as I am to work for a paper that covers the atrocities in Palestine so diligently,”

    Perhaps some should reflect that it was Europe’s last bout of anti-Semitism that actually provided much of the impetus for the founding and international approval of the State of Israel and not just a racist premise as Craig states. Those who cannot distinguish between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, of which there are not a few on this blog, perhaps ought to just reflect a little how they actually divert attention away from the truly atrocious behaviour of the Isreali Government.

  11. Adam

    “You should also be aware that there are 1.5m Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel.”

    Absolutely nobody believes that any more. Your propaganda is thirty years out of date.

  12. Craig wrote:
    Those non-Jews who remained in Israel proper are subject to a whole raft of apartheid style legislation, even governing whom they may marry, and the quantity of this legislation is increasing. 140 Israeli laws specify treatment by race.

    Adam wrote:
    You should also be aware that there are 1.5m Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel

    You can’t both be right and I rather suspect Craig is correct.

  13. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:21 pm

    “How much anti-Semitism is blowback against perceptions of racist pro-Israeli anti-Palestinian propaganda and Israel Lobby influence? The latter in turn play upon anti-Semitism; extremes thus support each other in dynamic tension.”

    For once I agree – the thing that needs to done is to condemn both extremes for the examples of truly disgusting behaviour that they are – rather than playing silly games of moral relativism.

  14. Oops – didn’t notice your reply, Craig.

  15. Bleb

    We were simultaneous, I think!

  16. Being Jewish and being Arab are not mutually exclusive, you’ll find even the Arab or North African Jews are second or third class citizens in Israel. Top dogs are the Ashkenazim from Eastern Europe, often via New York, who are the least religious. Race is the issue not religion, it is really a white european people oppressing, killing ‘natives’. Apartheid.

  17. großer witz

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:33 pm

    Anyone know which day the march in London against the Islamic State’s genocide is planned for?

  18. Couldn’t agree more. Excellent piece.

    The Grauniad is by far the most cynical and repulsive national daily by a distance.

  19. It seems to me Hadley Freeman’s article is very muck lacking proportionality in the broader context.

    Secondly,and also worrying,is that her article seems to have offered a platform for some frankly insane commentators to promote the idea that anti-Semitism is now “Cool Racism” for The Left.

    Which is,in my opinion and experience complete and utter bollocks.

    Must try harder Hadley,Grauniad…

    Very poor.

  20. Some people are wondering if it’s different this time.

    Israel is now well used to western media providing cover for their ongoing crimes but some have suggested that cracks are appearing even in mainstream coverage.

    Perhaps that explains this rather desperate ad, rejected by The Times, but accepted by The Guardian, that accuses Hamas of Child Sacrifice, no less.

    This is the Human Shields argument which even Jeremy Bowen has pooh poohed.

    You do have to marvel at a mind that blames its own victims for their fate whilst claiming transcendental victimhood to itself. Sounds remarkably like a psychopathic mind.

    One thing’s for sure. The ledger of Israel’s crimes against humanity grows ever thick as time passes.

    It’s precisely because the Israeli state makes claims upon Jews all over the world that they need to speak out, and of course many do. Those who don’t are complicit by their silence.

    But yes. A self-obsessed fashion journalist is perhaps not quite what we’re looking for.

  21. Adam @ 7.32pm “You should be aware that there are 1.5 million Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel”. Sorry that’s nonsense. Link to ‘The Laws that enshrine Israel as a racist state’

  22. But Syria’s Yazidi orthodox Christians, having been pressurised and abused by these Saudi mercenaries

    They are not Christians and are in fact Zoroastrians (Ancient Persian/Iranian religion).


    Someone in the other thread had written about Palestinian children in Gaza were writing their names on their limbs and body, to ensure that their body parts could be identified and gathered together for burial, after a zionist bomb has torn apart their undernourished and small bodies.

    This reminded me of the Iraqis during the US invasion of Iraq tattooing their identity; name and address on their back because experience had proved that these parts were more likely to survive and their remains could then be identified returned to their families.

    History shall not recall the above, for these Untermenschen do not deserve to be remembered, their fears, aspirations and matter of fact and routine deaths do not herald any lessons to be drawn upon.

    However every school kid will have been shown the serial numbers tattooed on the arms of the concentration camp survivors.

    The contrast in the almost blithely discount of the suffering and deaths of millions of Iraqis, Palestinians, Afghans, ….. that is in addition to the millions of dead in WWII, and millions more incarcerated in concentration camps are a natural progression of the Jewish Supremacy, that finds these “goy” (plural goyim) not worthy of lamentation or note. After all who ever heard of anyone mention the numbers of the dead heifers, cows, pigs, lambs and chickens?

    The goyim deaths are of no consequence, and thus the history is shaped, the convergence of the interest of those professional murderers and those with access to nodes of power, evolve in to the discount of the millions of deaths and the sufferings of millions more, these are to be eclipsed by the suffering of a particular group of people that in turn defines the past, as well as defining the gold standards of suffering and above all the defacto index of evil that caused such gold standard suffering in the first place..

    This in turn has been shaping the thoughts of those descendants of the special group who are taught to remember the sufferings of their ancestors at the hands of the goyim beasts. Thus when Hadley is slighted and upset she is truly experiencing the horrors that goyim beasts can inflict as they did to her ancestors. The fact is our collusion in playing the part of the dumb goy has further entrenched the feelings of entitlement to exceptional ism.

    As already Craig has mentioned;

    ‘This warped and ludicrous logic is enforced by political orthodoxy and the mainstream media.’

    The simple fact is how can a group of people whom have suffered exceptional injustice ever come to trust their tormentors?

    The fact that Hadley is so concerned to be told what to think is in fact a glimpse into her minds set; How dare goyim cattle to even entertain such notions as cancelling the events in theatre, or to consider the conduct of the group that has suffered so bitterly, in ensuring their survival, that is through destruction everyone else!

    I am on record the acquiescence to Jewish supremacy brings about an absurd situation that none dare to even mention the elephant in the room; the rabidly racists and disgusting behaviour of the Jewish supremacists!

    As we write about eleven thousand Palestinians have been maimed and injured, these have no medical facilitates to rely on, they have no access to pain killers, drugs, and medicine, then have no access to clean drinking water, they are left to live side by side with sewage running in the streets, all the while the medical equipment, medicine, etc. donated by others is sitting on the tarmac in the Cairo airport in compliance with the continuation of the medieval siege of Gaza.

    The suffering of these Palestinians is nothing compared to the suffering of those in the Warsaw ghetto! We all know that! Right?

  23. The Islamic state/ISIL/ISIS is a US/Israeli/Saudi creation, so anti-zionist protests serve also to condemn the west’s proxy terror gangs operating in the Syria and Iraq, trying to sever control of Iraq’s northern oil resources from the Iraqi government in Baghdad. The wholly imaginary and unrecognisable ‘Islamic State’ do not control the vast territory they claim, can only show up (speeded in brand new trucks provided by the US and Saudis) and shoot the place and the people up before speeding back to their cia/mi6 masters protection. Any Kurdistan that might emerge from these circumstances would be a client state under the thumb of the US completely and would itself in the end be overthrown by the Kurds, Iraqis, Syria, Iran and Turkey together, unless that Kurdish state, created simply to loot the oil reserves and pump it to Israel, was a ferociously brutal repressive hardline regime in conflict with its ‘own’ population and neighbours. Iraqi Kurds would be freer sooner and the violence halted, if the western/saudi mercenaries were ejected and they co-operatively sought autonomy from Baghdad and lasting friendly relations with Syria.

  24. So all the Arabs in this Wikipedia post are a figment of my imagination? All Israeli propaganda? There aren’t Arab members of the Knesset? There isn’t an Arab Supreme Court Judge?

    There’s no balance to what you write and you accuse me of spouting propaganda. Perhaps you need to seek a definition for the word?

  25. Another excellent post Craig.

    The Guardian is losing money and needs to curry favour in the US to grow its brand.

    As a result its becoming increasingly pro-Israel. It wasn’t always this way!

  26. Adam

    There are just a dozen Arab members of the Knesset. There won’t be in future as the Knesset has just changed the electoral law specifically to exclude them.

    Already if they open their mouths in the Knesset to protest they get chucked out

  27. Strangetown

    8 Aug, 2014 - 9:14 pm

    It is not just Ms Freeman whilst she manages to stay aloof from the conflict in Gaza, the publication she works for is having a questionable motives moment:

    from the article:

    “The Times is under attack for refusing to run an advert about the conflict in Gaza. The paper is accused of being part of a British media “infamously skewed against Israel.”
    The ad is a statement, written jointly by Elie Wiesel, the Nobel prize-winning author, and Shmuley Boteach, an outspoken American-born Orthodox rabbi.
    It calls on President Obama and other political leaders across the world “to condemn Hamas’s use of children as human shields”, which amounts to “child sacrifice”.
    The advert has been carried in five US newspapers, including the New York Times, Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, which is published by News Corporation, the owner of The Times. The Guardian has agreed to run the advert on Monday.”

    So, when I try, twice to post links to MAP a charity providing medical aid to Palestinians in the comments section of one of the Graun’s articles it is removed by moderators. Yet it would seem they are prepared to run this ad.

  28. A tapestry of Palestinian life: remembering Samar Alhallaq
    Jan Chalmers Iain Chalmers

    On July 20, 2014, our friend Samar Alhallaq, who was aged 29 years, her 6-year-old son Kenan, her 4-year-old son Saji, and her 8-month unborn child were killed in Gaza, together with five other members of their wider family. An Israeli shell demolished the residential building to which they had fled in trying to seek shelter from Israel’s attacks.

    We came to know Samar and her little boys when they came to Oxford, UK, during the summer of 2013, to join Samar’s husband Hassan. Hassan was the third annual scholar awarded the Gaza Oxford Brookes University Scholarship, which was established after Israel’s attack on Gaza in 2008—2009. Hassan won the Technologies Prize awarded by Oxford Brookes University’s Department of Computing and Communication for outstanding achievement in the Masters Degree of Science in eBusiness.

    We saw quite a lot of the Alhallaq family last summer, and, despite not having any language in common, Kenan and Saji seemed to get on well with Millie and Layla, our grandchildren who live with us. On one of the family’s visits to our home, we introduced Samar to the Palestinian History Tapestry Project, which has been set up to extend friendship and support to Palestinian women.

    As one of us wrote in The Lancet after Israel’s 2008—2009 attack on Gaza: “Israel defines itself as ‘the Jewish State’; yet, within the territory it controls and continues to colonise, there is now approximate parity in the numbers of Israeli Jewish people and non-Jewish, Palestinian Arab people (of whom 3·7 million live in the occupied territories and 1·2 million in Israel). For many, Israel will continue to be judged by its attitudes and actions towards the non-Jews whose lives it controls.”

    The UK has special responsibilities for what is happening in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory today, because of its repeated betrayal of its century-old promise to protect the rights of the non-Jewish Palestinian people. As we write it is clear that Samar, Kenan, and Saji are just three among hundreds of civilians who have been killed during the Israeli attacks this year. When can we expect the UK Government to require Israel to observe international law and to observe the Geneva conventions?

    We are biased in favour of the oppressed and biased against oppressors.


    Sympathy and condolences to Hassan now a bereaved father and husband. Terrible.

    Sir Iain Chalmers –

  29. Haifa, Israel – More than 40,000 Israelis who were converted to Judaism in the past decade by the state’s official conversion courts may find their conversions annulled — rendering them non-Jewish in the eyes of the law — following a ruling last week by Israel’s Supreme Rabbinical Court.

    JERUSALEM — A growing crisis between American Jews and the Israeli government over a proposed law on religious conversion was averted — or at least delayed — this week, with both sides agreeing to a six-month period of negotiation. But the depth of American anger and the byzantine complexity of Israeli politics suggest that a solution is a long way off.

    No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!

    The land of honey and milk, private Jews only roads, free lands and free homes (they belonged to those terrorists Palestinians).

    All the while the blanket of infantile lies and more lies is to be further pulled over by the keyboard offence brigade whom are probably getting paid from the various aid provisions out of our tax funds to tell us all; what racist bunch of ill informed morons we are!

    Hadley resents anyone telling her what to think but sure as the day is long she will be in agreement with telling us goyim cattle how horridly antisemi… we are!

  30. Aidworker1 C P Scott was a supporter of Zionism.

  31. Nobody’s telling Hadley what to think at all.

    She’s either gone soft in the head-or playing a disturbingly calculated role.

    Besides,its a bit bloody ironic a MSM fashion journalist complaining that she’s being told by others what to think!

    Similiar to a sockpuppet troll complaining of others trying to unduly influence a blog :-)

  32. Adam – you’ve been sold a piece of propaganda. Did you bother reading the link Harry Law posted? That’s just one page proving what you said is nonsense.

    Any cursory investigation will reveal the discrimination against Israeli Arabs. Type a few words like Israeli Arab and discrimination into a search engine. The fact that they are given some rights hardly means they are given equal rights.

    And its not just Arabs who are discriminated against.

    BTW 80% of the people of Gaza are refugees from Israel’s ethnic cleansing of them. The ones still left in Israel aren’t there from Israeli kindness – they’re the ones who weren’t driven out. Look up Deir Yassin and the Lydda death march.

  33. Bravissimo maestro !

    And a nice little “new” war in Iraq to refresh the news cycle.

    In ride the white hats, a whuppin’ and a whompin’ their own assets, I mean the Big New Bogeyman.

    Lights, camera, traction…

  34. Jewish False Victim Pleading, see Hasbara Troll Manual p.563 can be used to use up listeners’ or readers’ mental energy in weighing up irrelevant evidence, i.e. an attention-diverting strategy prior to expressing an outrageous opinion.

    The outrage follows: that India and Israel are equally bad and that Israel should not be discriminated against.

    India is much visited by Israelis and they are detested there for their insolence, hard-bargaining and arrogance. The difference, as Craig so rightly points out between India and Israel is that India allows total freedom of travel, trade and residence to all, except some for foreigners with whom India is engaged in hostilities, while Israel restricts all of those things to foreigners and even to its own citizens.

    Oh, so finger in mouth Hasbara Hadley is trying to say that because the Palestinians are engaged in hostilities, they forfeit their rights as citizens. Where have we heard that argument before? George Bush in the War on Terror.

    BTW who is Shimon Elliot in the current War by Terror? Hadley Freeman is also a trained military operative in the field of false jihad and psychological warfare.

  35. Je

    Check the tail end of the Apocalypse Blair thread for an apology i was due you.

    Sorry again,cheers.

  36. Well spoken, Craig.

  37. You may ask what were the major powers and the international bodies asking of Palestinian leadership in the Quartet roadmap; SECURITY?!

    Israel’s ‘security concerns’ is code for Israel’s lebensraum, its idée fixe. Israel commands the cycle of repression and killing as integral to its ongoing land grab, which naturally invites resistance, which threatens Israel’s security, which results in more repression and killing and more land grabs.

    Two-state solution my arse. Is there any reason to expect an extinguishment of Israel’s ‘security concerns’ until the Palestinians have themselves been extinguished from the terrain? None whatsoever. Then Israel can start work full-time on its neighbors.

    Tony M
    8 Aug, 2014 – 8:59 pm

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, so-called ”Caliph,” the head of ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant is, according to sources reputed to originate from Edward Snowden, an actor named Elliot Shimon, a Mossad trained operative.

  38. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:24 pm

    @Mary “C P Scott was a supporter of Zionism.”

    Of course at that time most liberals and those on the left were supporters of Zionism – perhaps Mary might like to ponder why that was.

  39. I read that the head of the Jewish Chronicle, Stephen Pollard, considers the cancelling of the Jewish Film Festival at the Tricycle Theatre (as referred to above) in this tweet:

    “Be clear on this. @TricycleTheatre is now officially antisemitic. It is singling out the Jewish state for boycott”

    That’s right. The Tricycle theatre – having staged this event for “many years”, has suddenly realised that Jews are involved in the Jewish Film Festival, and decided they can’t allow it. No context necessary, it’s a simple and clear case of anti-semitism.

  40. what is anti-semitism? commenting on the holocaust in gaza?

  41. A picture speaks etc.

    The inset shows the Abubakr al Baghdadi (for some reason most of the zionist scum chose this kind of stupid names) and besides he is sitting with a female companion and enjoying a very strict Islamic raki.

    This is the long traditions of Adam Yahiye Gadahn

    This one is al Kaiday tayrrorist with rewards and everything.

    Boy do these zionists like the idea of playing the part, and dressing up

  42. at that time most liberals and those on the left were supporters of Zionism – perhaps Mary might like to ponder why that was.

    Because they could not tell their arse from their elbow.

    Jewish supremacy, is as filthy and as virulent and as unacceptable as any other supremacist claptrap, so to find liberals and lefties supporting the murderous zionist creed only reiterates the starry eyed bunch of wannabes in search of a cause to be fawning over.

    With the results as seen on telly; the murderous genocide of Palestinians, and the destruction of quarter percent of the concentration camp called Gaza.

  43. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:51 pm


    So there was a lot of “Jewish supremacy” around at that time was there?

  44. Jives – Adam’s post is a good example of why its important people post different views. He seems sincere in thinking what he put was right. But hopefully, when he looks at the ample evidence, he’ll realise how wrong that was.

    If you’re in a place where everyone sings the same song, that doesn’t happen. And the things you’re wrong about don’t get picked up for you either.

  45. So there was a lot of “Jewish supremacy” around at that time was there?

    Jewish Supremacy = zionist scums creed

    Where did the “chosen tribe” come from?

    What does the “chosen” status tells us all?

    A crime against a Jew is a crime against god, the universe, the whole universe, and other worlds as yet undiscovered and unknown included the anti matter realm and the ……. Right?

    The matter of fact absolution for all crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, crimes against property, land theft is dispensed because of the exceptional status as sought by Jewish supremacists; “chosen tribe”.

  46. Hmmm … equal rights for Arabs ….

    “There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life ….”

  47. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:05 pm

    I cant fkn believe it

    Anti sem this that or the fucking other…Words made up

    A Two year old hiding behind a rather large Kerb on a road

    Faceless Headless Children by the Hundreds in two weeks

    STOP YIR anti sem … Anyone who cries this word again in defence of what we have just watched in Gaza… i call EVIL

  48. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:08 pm


    You are becoming increasingly incoherent in you attempts to avoid the question – all religions tend to believe in their supremacy over others and so do most political elites, but only an idiot would try to claim that there was a Jewish supremacy in the years when Zionism was supported by much of the left.

  49. It seems to me from the recent Intercept stories, Snowden releases and other reading that the UK, excluding the spiralling costs of hosting and polishing US-controlled Trident nuclear weapons for Uncle Sham, spends a far greater part of the defence and intelligence budgets in mollycoddling the outlaw Israeli ‘state’ than it does defending the British Isles. The whole of the creepy Five-Eyes (US-UK-AUS-NZ-CAN) intelligence gathering hardware and personnel is fully at the service of and under the control of the ultra-zionist apartheid state. How long if this becomes public knowledge can such an crazed arrangement stand?

  50. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:14 pm

    On the subject of minority rights of Arabs within Israel I do remember reading a Minority Rights Group pamphlet on that subject over 30 years ago – and they certainly were not treated well even then. But then we could talk about Hamas’s far from stellar treatment of minorities as well – which is certainly far worse than Fateh’s, who can point to their rather better treatment of Christian Arabs. If we apply Ghandhi’s test of judging a society by its treatment of minorities there are very few, if any, in the Middle East that get anywhere near passing that test.

  51. Resident Dissident – The notion of Jewish supremacy was there at the very start.

    ” The fundamental ideology of Zionism however evolved much earlier with Moses Hess… “Communist Rabbi Moses” as he was also called, wrote Zionism’s Magnum Opus which Herzl later referred to as the book which says everything there is worth saying about Zionism. This book, “Rome and Jerusalem” was published by Hess in 1862. He was inspired, amongst others, by Spinoza. He defines the Jewish Nation by the following components:

    The Jewish race – superior and chosen

    Palestine – the homeland of the Jewish people

    The Jewish religion – the best guarantee for Jewish nationality.

    The importance of Blood in defining racial purity was common at that time and was also part of Hess’ conception. ”

  52. Very clever ‘scum’ Fedup The lesser end of the deceit transparency spectrum started long ago:

    -with Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention:

    The Zionist assert that Article 49 deals with forced transfer of civilians from an occupier’s territory into an occupied territory and so, therefore, does not apply in Israel’s case of having civilians occupy the West Bank since they went there voluntarily.

    The charge is ‘good people and true’ in the international arena, prosecute this Zionist
    ‘scum’ for crimes against humanity and war crimes.

    Thus far they have not and will not since seeing that the Eretz Yisrael creature willevoke fire on every land that slays her (Israel). (I don’t say that lightly).

  53. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:17 pm

    Anyone who cries this word again in defence of what we have just watched in Gaza…

    No one has – but using one evil to justify or ignore another is what?

  54. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:19 pm

    tonights newsnight and ten a clock news featured the words genocide. selectively, with regards to Christians ‘I’l be going to the mountain’ and the need to protect Irbil,this from a fit whitehouse spokeswoman….

    eat your socks, why not bomb Riyadh instead? follow the money.

  55. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:23 pm

    “The notion of Jewish supremacy was there at the very start.”

    Just as it is in every other major religion – and the same notion can also be seen among the Eminences. But perhaps you could enlighten us as to how Jewish supremacy was doing in the 1930s and 1940s?

  56. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:30 pm

    Just rereading Brian Fujisans succinct comment, I wish to second it. I would be prepared to stand back to back with him, even after three days of digging ironage clay deposits.

    Obama, boar, don’t you just now hit dem ISIS tooo hard, d’you hearmeboar? King of of all Camel hearders Saud might not like it? so NO boots on the ground and blinkers to the pilots, we’ll bomb you allright…..

    PS keep up the division you prat.

  57. Zionist ABC at its worst! first item on the Books & Arts Daily program. no attempt to get a repsonse from the Edinburgh Fringe officials:

    AUDIO: ABC: Protests at the Edinburgh Fringe force cancellation of Israeli
    Arik Eshet is a theatre director who is being targeted at the Fringe because
    he comes from Israel and his work is partly funded by the Israeli
    His musical theatre show was shut down after just one night because
    pro-Palestinian protesters made it impossible for it to continue where it
    An Israeli dance troupe, partly funded by the Israeli government, have also
    cancelled their shows.

    Fay: This is a wonderful example of the BDS Campaign
    in action. Whilst Palestine remains powerless against the might of Israel
    military supported to the tune of 3 Billion each year by the US, BDS is the
    most powerful weapon Palestinians have. Keep boycotting. It worked in South

    btw ABC host says thank u Arik to end the interview; Arik goes on and on and on.
    host then reads email that has come in! (am sure this is a pre-recorded
    program so cannot imagine there could be any immediate response to the story. sounded like it was set up). emailer totally sympathetic with Arik. “very robust” response says
    ABC host.

  58. Gaza, Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Israel. Gaza, Israel, Iraq. Yes it is terrible that nearly 2000 Palestinians have died, and that the West-encouraged (in Syria, anyway) ISIS are on a killing spree. But do you know how many Ukrainians have died this year… one estimate puts it at 10000. That would mean an awful lot of injured as well. Stop the War coalition has organised quite a lot of demonstrations on behalf of the Palestinians? But what of the Donbass people? What of the Ukrainian soldiers who seem to be being forced to brutally follow a neo-Nazi ideology. Don’t they count?

    If anyone can bear to look, here’s the evidence:

  59. Resident Dissident – ” But perhaps you could enlighten us as to how Jewish supremacy was doing in the 1930s and 1940s?”

    In the 30’s, the Haganah were entertaining Eichmann, who said,

    “In 1937 when I had been struggling with Hebrew for two and a half years I has a chance to take a trip to Palestine… I did see enough to be very impressed with what the Jewish colonists were building up their land. I admired their desperate will to live, the more so since I myself was an idealist. In the years that followed I often said to Jews whom I had dealing with that had I been a Jew I would have been a fanatical Zionist – I could not imagine being anything else, in fact I would have been the most ardent Zionist imaginable.”

    In the 40’s, assassinating British soldiers in Palestine and wanting to make a pact with Hitler

    “In 1940 Abraham Stern, who later founded the Stern gang, sent a document to the nazis, Again it was found by the allies in the German Embassy in Turkey after the war:

    The National Military Organization(NMO), which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

    1) Common interests could exist between the establishment of a New Order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
    2) Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed volkish-national Hebrium would be possible and

    3) The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East

    Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognised on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”

  60. You are becoming increasingly incoherent in you attempts to avoid the question – all religions tend to believe in their supremacy over others and so do most political elites, but only an idiot would try to claim that there was a Jewish supremacy in the years when Zionism was supported by much of the left.

    The devious and underhand conflation of “religions and supremacy” is setting the trap; to catch a goy!

    Well this dumb goy is caught, …….. I am anti semi…. I have always been and anti semi… even though I could never tell I was an anti semi……. Yeah right!

    “incoherent”, ooooooohhhh I am getting all weepy now!

    “ Avoiding the question” Is your interrogative tone another g_d given right? Did Old Abe not only leave you the lands as per the land registry records (Bible to the rest of us), also Abe put you in charge of the goyim cattle too?

    but only an idiot would try to claim that there was a Jewish supremacy in the years when Zionism was supported by much of the left

    Zerzetstung deployed to deliver the anti logic and ram it down our throats yet again, anti semi… is anti zionism! Ergo zionist scum are not Jewish supremacists, they are only good religious Jews. Simple as that, boy these “supreme beings” are so clever so blindingly clever…….. My arse.

    The creed of zionist scum has always been Jewish supremacy!

  61. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:45 pm

    ‘Just as it is in every other major religion ‘

    Now I know its very hot, just try and take a breath, cool it. NO IT IS NOT! When does the buddhist religion ever speak of supremacy? You are once again diverting from the subject, i.e. who now has control over Hadley Freemans tippytitappity fingers on her keyboard.

    Further, what does Hindu, fascist and zionist talk/fascination with supremacy/ueber alles say about their acceptance of a world community. They are arsesentially divisive and obsessed with interupting intelligent solutions to petty violence, and for their own gain.

  62. @Je: I’ve thought for some time that Zionism isn’t a Jewish movement at all, but has cynically used and exploited jews… especially after ww2… for their own world domination ends. And jews are starting to reap the whirlwind as anti-Semitism rises in many countries in response to the serial bombing of Gaza.

    And what do you think of the argument that the Balfour Agreement was the price of US entry into ww1?

  63. Thousands of Hamas rockets that hardly ever hit anything, except, seemingly, by bad luck. Where do they come from?

    A massive tunnel system that the IDF ‘never knew’ was there, even though the removal of large volumes of earth from under the ground leaves identical volumes on the top that have to go somewhere. And no one noticed? Aerial surveillance must have been hyperactive in the area for years, with airborne ground-penetrating radar able to see to the depths at which the tunnels were supposed to have existed but never revealed anything? Seismic monitors able to pick up the sounds of underground activity never detected anything?

    In a Channel 4 News piece, the tunnel shown opened-up had a narrow gauge rail track running through it. The comment was made by the Israeli army spokesman that it extended towards Gaza in one direction and towards Israel in the other. There was no sign of a ventilation system, which would have been essential if it were going to be used by humans.

    Were the tunnels going into Gaza rather than coming out of it? Were the rockets going in via the tunnels? Were the tunnels really blown up? Are they still active?

    Hamas seems to have a total disregard for the well-being of the citizens under its control – about as much as the IDF lobbing shells over the fence.

    All of this raises the question as to what exactly Hamas is. Now if it is postulated that it is no more than a front organisation for the Israeli government, things begin to make sense.

    I think it was Lenin that came out with the observation that, “In order to control opposition, you must lead it.”

  64. @Nevermind. It shouldn’t be… but, excluding Buddhism, it is. A religion with supreme deity offers a politician a great opportunity to manipulate peoples minds… so if they can sneakily use that religion to further their cause, of course they will do it. And, like war, this has been going on for millennia.

    Christianity was initially based on the works of Jesus. The Romans had to change it to make it based on a “traditional” supreme deity at the Council of Nicea before they allowed it to become an acceptable mass movement. A lot of Christian teaching was consequently discarded. I’m not saying that it was corrupted… just that politicians will always become involved.

    I know this shouldn’t be the way of the world, but it is… and I know I can’t change it. But I can still “wish” for peace and reconciliation, can’t I? And as we know, sometimes it really does happen.

  65. Peacewisher –

    i follow daily the atrocities being carried out in Eastern Ukraine, but Palestine is an issue that has been ongoing for many decades, & which could have been solved if not for the complicity of US, UK, Australia, etc. who knew this was going on during the recent attack on Gaza? read the rest from where these excerpts end –

    29 July – Jerusalem Post Grapevine: No monopoly on patriotism
    (SCROLL DOWN) POPULAR SINGER Einat Sarouf came from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to sing the national anthems of Britain, Australia and Israel, at the official opening of the third Australia-Israel- UK Leadership Dialogue. It is the brainchild of Albert Dadon, a Moroccan-born businessman, philanthropist and musician who lives in Australia, but is interested in finding common ground between the three groups on a variety of mutual issues and challenges, such as immigration policies…
    The Australian delegation was led by Australian Minister for Education Chris Pyne, who was on his sixth visit to Israel. It included, among others, Labor MPs Michael Danby and David Feeney, as well as journalist Tony Walker, the international editor of the Australian Financial Review, who many years ago was stationed in Israel and has many friends here as well as in other parts of the Middle East.
    Among the British delegation were Stuart Polak, director of the Conservative Friends of Israel, former defense minister John Spellar and Baroness Pauline Neville-Jones. British Ambassador Matthew Gould and Australian Ambassador Dave Sharma were also present…
    Sa’ar said that with regard to the operation, the coalition and the opposition were united. “I cannot recall when we were more united,” he said, and commended Herzog “for the distinguished way in which he is leading the opposition these days.”…
    Both Sa’ar and Herzog thanked the Australian and British delegates for coming to Israel during a time of crisis, and were pleased to hear that there had been no drop-outs…!

  66. as a former Labor voter, i shudder at the lies in the following!

    8 Aug: JWire: (Labor MP) Michael Danby battles the media
    However, I am just back from the Australia-UK-Israel Leadership Forum, where Tzipi Livni and Opposition Leader Isaac (Buji) Herzog expressed the social solidarity you would expect from a democratic society under attack. Rather than the insinuated aggression of the ‘Peter George hate Israel brigade’, the wall to wall support for the IDF operation in Gaza was based on a stoic understanding that Israel had no choice in resisting the Islamo-fascists of Hamas who killed three Yeshiva students and sent thousands of unguided missiles into Israel before the operation began…

  67. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:00 am

    @Oddie. Yes, but (I think…) Gaza-Israel is about the Zionist desire for world domination, and has been going on since it become overtly political in 1917. Did you know that the when the declaration was read, it was addressed to Lord Rothschild? It was about corporate money from the start, nd perhaps no different today.

    Ukraine may have a “conspiracy theory” attached but is much closer to the oft-copied rise of fascism in a country, and subsequent liquidation of the opposition. People in the UK may be following it, but very few are speaking out. Atrocity is atrocity and I really can’t understand why so quiet?

  68. Your para. 3 says it all.

  69. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:08 am

    @Oddie, regarding your 2nd post: in Australia, it is probably all about money and “investment”. And we all know how much politicians like the former, in order to facilitate the latter.

    Great play on radio 4 (yup, BBC) this time last week, about the corruption of a young politician, deluding her into accepting that getting investment is what really matters (as opposed to truth…).

  70. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:10 am

    I’m not sure whether to be flattered or upset, Phil.

  71. If her photo, the one of Hadley Freeman, is anything to go by she is still a pup journalist, but her article demonstrates this even more so, and I think some of her ‘roots are showing’. I am glad that the Tricycle has taken a stand over this issue though not knowing the full circumstances of the Israeli Embassy funding or the Jewish films it was sponsoring leaves me uncertain. What I am certain about is, as Craig has clearly indicated, genocide is going on in Gaza and to write a piece criticising the UK as not being as appreciative of Israel as the US/Jewish environment from whence she sprung, says more about the US than its poodle, satellite, ally, or however you wish to describe us.

    On Tuesday and Wednesday I was there at a protest in support of the Shenstone Nine, fellow-protestors from the London Palestinian Campaign. They were lovely young people, who had scaled the roof of UAV Engines in Shenstone to protest against that factory’s sole purpose of manufacturing engines for drones. I have written about this factory before.

    Its board is predominantly Israeli. The police were there in large numbers to make sure these courageous souls were arrested. They have subsequently bragged about their successful arrest of good peaceful people on the Staffordshire Police website. While I was there I counted at one time, close to the arrests, at least twenty five police officers I could see.

    I could not get them all on the photo. The factory was round the bend in the road, out of view, and that is where the majority of police officers were centred. There was a police helicopter overhead, not for the first time. The whole area had been designated a crime-scene, which indeed it was, because personnel in a factory participating in the production of drones are criminals of the lowest order. But the guys on the roof were the real heroes in a country which has become notorious in its protection of murderers.

    The cost to the taxpayer in this operation must be huge. Police might shoot ordinary civilians, Mark Duggan and Jean Charles de Menenez for example, with impunity, but when it comes to protecting people it is not the ordinary civilians they protect but the warmongers.

  72. Andreas W . Mytze: “what is anti-semitism? commenting on the holocaust in gaza?”

    Yes. Here is a demonstration of this new truth :


    This museum could stand up to its own government, and genuinely held outrage in not a few of its own citizens, when holding exhibits of Iraqi children’s art, in which they included their war experiences with Americans.

    But stand up to the Israeli lobby? Nah. Too dangerous.

  73. The House of Lords in 1922 voted by a large majority to repeal the Balfour Declaration. This was an insuperable obstacle as the Lords decision was Law and not exempted by the 1911 HoL reforms limiting how long they could delay ‘non-money’ bills. These 1910/11 changes were ostensibly and in the received history intended to facilitate a Land Tax which the many landowning Lords self-interestedly would reject, no Land Tax ever materialised, and hasn’t yet. The claim was made that as garrisoning Palestine entailed hefty economic/financial costs, this came under the 1911 Act and the Lords repeal and repudiation of Balfour was ignored and the Zionist zealot led Commons did over-ride the House of Lords where they were, as yet, less numerous. The Lords ‘Motion that the Mandate for Palestine in its present form is inacceptable to this House’ was almost unanimous. It was their last honourable act.

    From this point on this Britain’s Mother of Parliaments became a whore to Zionist interest.

  74. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:33 am

    Interesting, Tony. Regarding my earlier query, I think I may have found an answer…

    “Weir makes a strong case that American entry into World War I was the quid pro quo of powerful Zionists close to President Woodrow Wilson for the British Balfour Declaration promising a home (though not a homeland) for the Jews in Palestine should Britain and its allies win the war.

    The importance of the Balfour Declaration in bringing the United States into WWI against the Germans might not have been widely known in this country, but, according to Weir, it was well known in Germany and it engendered the sort of antagonism toward their resident Jews that one might expect.”

  75. Resident Dissident,

    As you well know i often disagree vehemently with your posts but i commend you for debating well in this thread.Genuinely.

    I wish that some of the hasbara crew would take a leaf out of your book and at least stop being so backs-against-the-wall in their responses.


  76. when u think it can’t get any stranger,

    7 Aug: The Local Germany: Israel calls on Germany to police Gaza border
    Israel’s foreign minister called on Thursday for Germany to send inspectors into Gaza to resume monitoring of Palestinian trade with neighbours Egypt. Germany should also push the EU to find a solution to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, he said.
    “The Germans, as Europe’s political leaders, must take a very decisive role in the Gaza conflict,” Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman told the Bild newspaper on Thursday.
    He also called for Germany to bring EU governments together to develop a solution to avert the unfolding economic and humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.
    Lieberman demanded that Germany and the EU send inspectors in to the region to oversee trade between the Palestinians and neighbouring countries.
    Germany should “take responsibility as instigator of such a mission,” said Lieberman, with the aim of preventing violence escalating further…
    His comments support an earlier suggestion by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier to re-establish the EU Border Assistance Mission at the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Gaza strip…
    The offer to resume the EU policing mission and re-open the border was reiterated by German, British and French representatives at peace talks in Cairo on Wednesday…

    7 Aug: Electronic Intifada: Amena Saleem: BBC agrees to air Gaza charity appeal after getting Israel’s permission
    The BBC announced Thursday morning that it would broadcast an emergency charity appeal for Gaza on Friday — but only after it was reassured that it won’t face censure from the Israeli government for doing so.
    This is in stark contrast to 2009, when another Israeli massacre in Gaza was drawing to an end. Then, the BBC, along with Sky, refused to air an appeal from the same body – the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC)…
    So what has changed this time?…
    The reason appears to be that the allegedly independent broadcaster has been influenced by recent Israeli announcements that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and therefore feels it can safely broadcast a humanitarian aid appeal.
    Speaking on the BBC’s flagship radio news program, Today, this morning, the BBC’s media and arts correspondent David Sillito admitted as much.
    “Israel has said there is a humanitarian crisis … so it feels as though the issue of impartiality has come to an end,” he told presenter Sarah Montague. “There is no issue of compromising impartiality.”
    Montague then asked the obvious question: “So, it’s because of Israel’s admission that it’s a humanitarian crisis?”
    Sillito replied: “It seems to have been a key part of it. [Israeli government spokesperson] Mark Regev, making a statement on Friday, talking about a humanitarian window, a humanitarian crisis, seems to have been instrumental.”
    It’s a disturbing admission by the BBC that it feels it has been given permission by Israel to run the appeal — the same appeal it was too afraid to run five years ago because no such implicit permission had been given…
    David Sillito’s interview on Today can be heard on the BBC website (time code 01:12 onwards) until 13 August.

  77. “small Satan” & “great Satan”? insanity!

    8 Aug – Arutz Sheva – Yaakov Levi: PM: We’re Fighting for the West, Not Just for Us
    In interviews with international media Thursday, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu pressed Israel’s case on defending citizens from Hamas’ terror attacks. By fighting Hamas, the leading edge of Islamist terrorism, Israel is defending not only itself, but the entire Western world.
    Speaking to Fox News, Netanyahu said that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) “is taking swaths of Iraq and Syria. It’s now pushing into, right close to Lebanon and perhaps into Jordan… You have Hezbollah, radical Shiites fighting radical Sunnis; you have Hamas…“They’re all fighting among themselves, but they all agree that once they destroy, vanquish their Muslim moderates who are there who don’t share their views and they behead them and do horrible things to them.

    And then they have to get to Israel, which is the Western country in the region…but we’re the Small Satan. For all of them, you’re the Great Satan.

    The radical Shiites are backed by Iran. The radical Sunnis have various backers and so on, and these people fight among themselves who’ll be the king of the hill. But one thing they agree on, it’s going to be an Islamist hill and it’s going to be a world dominated by their unforgiving creed, their violent ideology which rejects modernity, rejects human rights, rejects, puts women as chattel, all minorities are subjugated or eliminated,” Netanyahu said.
    Speaking to German network ZDF, Netanyahu said “Hamas is part of a movement, an Islamist movement that wants to reconstruct an Islamic dominion without human rights, without plurality, women as chattel, no rights for minorities, for gays, you name it. … when we see that spreading in parts of Europe, we‘re grateful when we see strong leaders like Angela Merkel, and some others in Europe, stand up forcefully against this anti-Semitism. I think that’s, we need support for Israel, but also the fight against anti-Semitism, and the liberal values that we all share. Support for the liberal values that we all share.”

  78. Oddie would you care to comment on the info to be found on the internet, that Albert Dadon was a Melbourne real estate developer who employed the Tim, who subsequently became Julia Gillard’s First Bloke?

    I think it was John Pilger who wrote a scathing article on how when Team Gillard visited Israel, Gillard remained assiduously oblivious to the plight of the Palestinians.

  79. From an investor’s perspective is the Guardian Media Group a good investment?

  80. Just a little point on semantics: I’ve noticed a lot of commenters referring to Palestinians as Arabs. Yes, they speak Arabic but are not from Arabia; they are from Palestine. Calling them Arabs may reinforce the false notion in the minds of some that they are nomadic invaders from elsewhere.

  81. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 9:38 am

    Yes, very well put, Fedup.

    It is about time people stopped getting hysterical about hateful behaviour towards one group that is very capable of standing up for itself and supported oppressed groups because they are oppressed, and forget the politics. Of course that can’t happen, whilst the mm is under the control of politicians. I have to remind you all, although I’m sure you don’t need reminding, that it was Tony Blair who brought in “holocaust day”.

  82. Yes she is a disgusting Human being, but why?
    Why does she do these disgusting things?
    The reason is tribal loyalty.
    For Zionists this is more important than any other idiology or value.
    So Communists Zionists will become NeoCons if it will benefit Israel.
    She is no different.
    The lives of the people of Gaza do not matter at all.
    What matters is her tribal loyalty, and her fatherland, Israel.

  83. This has been a very interesting post and thread to read. Whilst you were all writing, I spent 7+ hrs!!in my car driving home from the SW on a journey that normally takes 3 hrs! The amount of traffic and the hold ups on the A303 were staggering. There were also two horrendous crashes to pass by. The firemen and the emergency services must have some terrible work to do. The scenery was beautiful and there was a vast amount of work going on to get the harvest in. Normally I would have gone by train to stay with my relatives but there are three station changes and in my present state of health, I could not have managed with my dog and luggage.

    I heard last night that our wonderful NHS is sending out teams of medics to help initially in E Jerusalem and hopefully in Gaza to assist with reconstructions, refashioning of amputations, providing prostheses and using plastic surgery to deal with the flesh wounds many of which will have become septic. It is harrowing just listening to what work is needed and being planned. Some patients including children might be brought here.

    To heal and not to harm……

    Did anyone listen to Dr Mads Gilbert on the video I posted yesterday?

    “The heart of the Earth beats in Gaza now. It bleeds, but it beats,” says Dr. Mads Gilbert. A very truthful and courageous man and a human of a stature we should all aspire to. Consider the pygmies he speaks of. Lethal, hopeless, and as say – life-denying.

    He refers to Stein the ‘left’ mayor of Tromso – and his silence. ‘Where are you Mr Stein?’ ‘Where are you Mr Borge Brende?’ Brebnde is the Norwegian Foreign Minister and presumably silent on Israel.

    This link from the mayor’s blog. The usual stuff. Always irony.

    Translated June 19, 2014 · 6:36

    stumbling Stones

    The speech to the County Governor Svein Ludvigsen at the closure of the stumbling blocks in Tromsø that I’ve written about:

    Ambassador – Commissioner – Happy People

    It makes sense to remember. It makes sense to highlight. For both memory and visualization carry with them lessons from the mistakes and the injustice that our ancestors have committed. But we must want to see. We would have to acknowledge. And above all, we must learn from history. We duties as human beings and without hesitation fight against injustice repeated.

    I once visited the Great Synagogue in Chicago, and was subsequently invited back to the rabbi. His message was that the biggest load we humans can carry is asking us indifferent to injustice. That indifference is dangerous for human dignity. That indifference blunted us as human beings.

    More than 6 million people were killed by the Nazi ideological madness. I have visited Auschwitz outside Krakow in Poland. “Arbeit macht Frei”, it says at the start of the carnage theater, ice set of anti-Semitism warped ideologues. An insult to human dignity.

    I have been in the dungeons of the concentration camp where torture on bestikalsk way was accomplished. I have seen the so-called GP practices where unspeakable experiments were performed on living people. Inhuman suffering to innocent, young and old, protruding. Because they were considered subhuman. For many of them, death was a relief. But the same death was a product of human contempt.


    Strength to you Mads and to your healing hands and mind.

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:19 am


    “They {ie, 1,5 million Arabs living in Israel}actually have more rights there than they have in any other Arab country.”

    This, surely, is un-arguable and needs to be repeated as often as necessary.


    Habbakuk for Truth and Reason.

  85. This is OUR NHS that Cameron is using now for his own propaganda purposes and the NHS whose fabric he is doing his best to destroy. What a shallow opportunist he is.

    9 August 2014

    Gaza wounded to be helped by NHS experts
    The NHS team will be sent to Gaza in the next 48 hours

    The UK is to send a team of NHS medical experts to help people who have been injured because of the fighting in Gaza, Downing Street has said.

    Staff including doctors, nurses and anaesthetists will fly out to the region in the next 48 hours.


  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:27 am


    “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”

    I genuinely did not know that that was the law in Israel.

    Could you please source that claim, eg by linking to the law in question?


  87. Freeman’s piece some days earlier concerned female body hair.

    What a polymath she is!

    Should women shave their legs and under-arms?
    Waxing, shaving, plucking and threading – most women go through the torture. But there’s only one way to find out whether you genuinely want to – give up the razors for a week or two

  88. I note my posts about Gaza and Mads Gilbert are immediately followed by two irrelevancies in turn.

  89. PLEASE. PLEASE SIGN UP TO THIS. Gaza must be freed from its prison. It had an airport and a port until Israel destroyed them.

    The United Nations: UN to run Gaza’s border controls (sea and air)

    Opening the main gates of the prison that is Gaza will allow in a flood of humanitarian aid and assistance, and so give heart and hope to a beleaguered people.

    With international agreement, the UN should gently but firmly
    take the Gaza blockade out of the hands of the Israelis so that it can itself operate a humanised version of the blockade, in place of the present Israeli restrictions.

    The UN would hold a international conference at which it would seek everyone’s agreement to take over the running of the blockade from th Israelis. The UN version would not be called a “blockade”, it could be referred to as “internationally mandated border controls”, or something similar. The USA would use its authority as Israel’s main source of financial aid to ensure its cooperation.

    This proposed handover of responsibility for Gaza’s border controls
    would offer the following advantages and benefits:

    1. Humanitarian and human rights considerations would be built into the new border control regime, in a public and verifiable way This would reassure the Palestinians.

    2. Israel’s legitimate security considerations would be built into the
    new border control regime, in a public and verifiable way This would reassure the Israelis.

    3. US involvement in the preparations for and implementation of
    this UN conference would be crucial, and would greatly improve the
    image of the US in the world.

    4. This handover initiative would greatly improve the image of the
    UN in the world. If this isn’t the kind of thing that the UN should be
    doing, what is?

  90. Fedup 8.55
    “They are not Christians and are in fact Zoroastrians (Ancient Persian/Iranian religion).”

    Yazidis are not Zoroastrians either, rather heretic Muslims of a Sufi group founded in the 12th century, who went too far and left Islam altogether. Being Muslim heretics puts them more in danger with ISIS than the Christians, so I’m not surprised they fled up the mountain.

  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:50 am

    Craig writes (to Adam)

    “There are just a dozen Arab members of the Knesset. There won’t be in future as the Knesset has just changed the electoral law specifically to exclude them.

    Already if they open their mouths in the Knesset to protest they get chucked out

    Just a couple of comments on that.

    1/. How many MPs at Westminster are of Caribbean and Asian origin?

    This actually also reminds me of discussions that went on in the EU at the time the legislation on nationals from one EU country being able to vote in local elections in their EU country of residence (if this was different) was being negotiated. Luxembourg, which has a very high percentage of residents from Portugal, was very insistent that the latter should not be allowed to form a “Portuguese party” in order to contest such elections; the idea was that integration should require EU residents from other EU countries to vote for national parties (already existing or future) and not form one of their own on the basis of national origin. This notion was, I believe, accepted.

    Furthermore, I believe that in no European country will you find “foreign national parties”: there is, for example, no “Italian” or “Greek” political party contesting German elections, no “Arab” party contesting French elections, etc, no “Pakistan party” contesting UK elections.

    2/. Re Arab members of the Knesset using the term “murderers” and getting chucked out (I suppose, suspended): I’m not familiar with the Knesset’s rules of procedure, but I imagine they contain certain rules on what can be said and what can’t be said – “un-Parliamentary language”, perhaps? This is certainly the case in the UK, is it not, where if one MP calls another a liar and refuses to withdraw, he’ll be suspended for a certain length of time. Perhaps the same would happen if that MP called British troops murderers?

    Just a thought!

  92. I thought Hadley Freeman’s article was really offensive. She’s a good writer, of the Life & Style sort (not a fashion journalist, though she has written about that), but this really finishes her for me.

    There’s no real anti-semitic movement in Britain (even the BNP and EDL types are pro-Israel, because they hate the Muslims). But anti-Israel feeling, because of what they do, is quite strong. It’s a danger, if you’re labelled as attached to a hated entity, that you may get painted. It happens all the time to Muslims, and that’s thought to be OK. Melanie Philips, to take a specific example, does it all the time on the radio. The comment pages on the Guardian are full of wild hatred of all Muslims, on the basis of what a few have done, and those posts are not moderated.

    It’s highly regrettable, but people thought to be connected with Israel are indeed likely to get unfairly painted. But it’s not anti-semitism.

  93. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 11:07 am


    “I note my posts about Gaza and Mads Gilbert are immediately followed by two irrelevancies in turn.”

    Only irrelevant if you believe that it is you who should determine what is worthy of comment and response.

    What is irrelevant about asking for sources when someone on here claims that it is against the law in Israel for a Jew to marry a Palestinian?

    Remember – this is NOT your blog, so please don’t over-estimate your importance.

  94. Good intention Fedup so let us expand out the ISIS/ISIL/SIS/IS brand.

    The illegal invasion of Iraq, the gagging of Chilcot and the recent flabby US drone attacks on Northern Iraq are all deceptive components of regional change as expressed by Tariq Aziz who demonstrated the intentions of the US-Israel nexus eleven years ago in 2003.

    Prior to the invasion, Iraq enjoyed a 50-50 Shiia-Sunni marital alliance and the Kurds enjoyed autonomous power within the Iraqi state under President Saddam Hussein’s leadership.

    The no-fly zones imposed by the West in northern Kurd Iraq and southern Shiia-held regions between 1993 and 2003, following the first Gulf War solidified the lines of demarcation for the impending three divisions of Iraq to be finally carried out by this ISIS/ISIL/SIS/IS brand.

    The subverted and nefarious Western media have the pieces of a picture that meshed together to unfold to the world that Iraq is on the verge of being divided into three small states: Sunni Iraq, Shiia Iraq and an independent Kurdistan. A US/UK/IS black venture woven with hateful intentions to cause horrendous regional mayhem and destruction with military might for the creation of a “New Middle East” with Israel as the regional power in control of the region’s oil, gas and water resources.

    The wealth contaminated ’empty suits’ that represent us, the people, are oblivious to the carnage, the blood and guts of innocent lives extinguished by CALCULATED fire and pain.

  95. Habbabkuk

    That really is poor. You don’t get thrown out of the Knesset for using the term “murderers” applied to Hamas. It is nothing to do with unparliamentary language.

  96. The Supreme Court heard an appeal on Monday by an Arab man who was convicted of rape last July for having consensual sex with a Jewish woman who believed him to be Jewish.

    Kashur, who was indicted for forcible rape, a charge later reduced to rape by deception as part of a plea bargain, was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He was also convicted of performing an indecent act on the woman, who had sex with him shortly after they met two years ago. When she discovered Kashur, who presented himself as a bachelor named “Dudu,” wasn’t Jewish, she filed a police complaint.

    The unusual case underscores the racial tensions between Israel’s Jewish and Arab communities, where intimate relations between the two are often regarded as taboo.

  97. Habbabkuk

    “They {ie, 1,5 million Arabs living in Israel}actually have more rights there than they have in any other Arab country.”

    This, surely, is un-arguable and needs to be repeated as often as necessary.

    I am not sure which neighbouring countries qualify as ‘Arab’. Some are in a bad state at the moment.

    As for Palestinians in Israel, many have talked of apartheid. I read two books (not novels) by the Jewish Israeli novelist David Grossman several years ago called ‘Yellow Wind’ and ‘Sleeping on the Wire’. Both are based on a series of personal interviews and they describe the living conditions and rights of Palestianians living in the occupied territories (the first) and in Israel (the second).

    According to these books in no way do Palestinians enjoy equal rights or anything like it. What comes to my mind about Palestinians living in Israel is a comparison to the south of the USA before the legislation of the sixties, separate schooling, can’t eat in restaurants etc. Its not exactly the same but the feeling is comparable. The occupied territories of course are far worse.

    Of course these books are a little out of date now, but my impression, which this very informative thread has deepened, is that things are getting worse rather than better.

  98. Resident Dissident

    9 Aug, 2014 - 12:11 pm


    Well at least you have shown your true colours – but might I suggest that you do criticise others who adopt such a highly selective view of history when it comes to Gaza or other events.

    For most decent people an atrocity is an atrocity whoever is the perpetrator.

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