An Ugly Mood 469

In Heywood and Middleton, a classic Labour northern English seat, UKIP and the Tories combined got 51% of the vote. In Clacton – a deprived coastal area – the Conservatives and UKIP got 83% of the vote.

It is not that Labour and the Lib Dems offer an alternative that is in any significant way less devoted to corporate interests and serving the economic needs of the super-rich. The large majority of voters, and especially those who do not bother to vote, have by now worked out that the difference in their lives is negligible if they have a different member of the political class with his or her nose in the trough at their expense.

But everybody who has seen an actual UKIP campaign knows that their grassroots appeal is simply racist – they promote the idea that it is not the billionaires and ultra-wealthy who are sucking the resources from society, but rather the poor of a different colour. The Conservatives are striving, particularly through rampant Islamophobia, to compete for the atavistic vote.

UKIP is an antibody produced by the political establishment and their paymasters, to counter public disillusion with a dreadful and worsening unequal society. UKIP’s task is to divert public anger away from their exploiters towards specific groups of the poor. It does so very effectively. UKIP’s success yesterday will lead to a race among the mainstream parties to scapegoat vulnerable social groups – immigrants, benefit claimants, unemployed – and to compete in external xenophobia. The next government of the United Kingdom will be right wing to a degree which would have seemed unthinkable for the majority of my life.

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  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    We often look at evil that is external. ‘That other guy’ who does evil….see there?

    Embracing our own dark side through understanding ourselves internalizes the issue and makes our own development the only rational approach to defeating evil. IOW’s; if you really want to change the world, start in your own house.

    “So, what is the wonderful reconciling, exonerating and thus rehabilitating, truthful biological explanation of our species’ extremely competitive, aggressive, angry, selfish, greedy, materialistic, escapist, artificial, superficial, alienated–in fact, deeply psychologically distressed and lonely–human condition that brings about the long dreamed-of liberation from that terrible state and the complete TRANSFORMATION of the human race?

    Certainly, we have invented excuses to justify our species’ seemingly-imperfect competitive, selfish and aggressive behaviour, the main one being that we have savage animal instincts that make us fight and compete for food, shelter, territory and a mate. Of course, this ‘explanation’, which has been put forward in the biological theories of Social Darwinism, Sociobiology, Evolutionary Psychology, Multilevel Selection and E.O. Wilson’s Eusociality and basically argues that ‘genes are competitive and selfish and that’s why we are’, can’t be the real explanation for our competitive, selfish and aggressive behaviour. Firstly, it overlooks the fact that our human behaviour involves our unique fully conscious thinking mind. Descriptions like egocentric, arrogant, deluded, artificial, hateful, mean, immoral, alienated, etc, all imply a consciousness-derived, psychological dimension to our behaviour. The real issue–the psychological problem in our thinking minds that we have suffered from–is the dilemma of our human condition, the issue of our species’ ‘good-and-evil’-afflicted, less-than-ideal, even ‘fallen’ or corrupted, state. We humans suffer from a consciousness-derived, psychological HUMAN CONDITION, not an instinct-controlled animal condition–our condition is unique to us fully conscious humans.”

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Iain Orr (15h20)

    Thank you for your reply to my questions.

    Althgough we have different views on Moazzam Begg, I do commend you and your two co-signatories for putting your money where your mouths are.

    No commendation, on the other hand, for the assorted blowhards and cyber-warriors – [ long speculative list of names removed] – who did not co-sign. It says a lot about them, their bona fides and their motivations for posting on here. But I can’t say I’m surprised in the slightest: it’s usually those who shout the loudest who run away the fastest, isn’t it.

  • YouKnowMyName

    Which may be what GCHQ wants people to think, but they do have a rather large stake in modern cointelpro…
    Meanwhile other studies have shown no effect attributable to Snowden

    There’s a decent write up at this tech-website, seems that the enemy of choice *last* decade often update their crypto, and there’s no evidence (when properly analysed) that it was related to the activities of Mr or Mrs Snowden!

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    someone is fit-to-be-tied. I wonder why? Did someone have the temerity to ban the sucker?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “More Israeli citizens choke on Palestinian olives than die at the hands of Hamas.
    Last assault on the ghetto of Gaza killed 2500 Gazans.Mainly women and children.
    How many Israeli’s did Hezbollah kill this year.”

    Which makes it all the more puzzling that the words “Hamas” and “Hizbollah” never appear in any of the pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel comments, doesn’t it.

    Why do the commenters in question never, ever refer to these two major players in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

  • Mary

    Correction. It is not a conflict. It is resistance to an Occupation and a seven year imprisonment.

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Why don’t you answer my questions Habbaclone ?
    I have no problems mentioning Hamas, an organisation that israel helped to spawn to create division.There is no problem with Hezbollah either.Both parties have humanitarian sides to them,they manage to organise under siege and they defend citizens against Israeli aggression.
    So, how many Israeli citizens have Hamas and Hezbollah killed this year ?You can add them together if that will make you happier-

  • BrianFujisan

    Great Speech By Craig today…George Square was Packed …could hardly move… musta been close to, if not more than 15,000 souls there…Much merriment and good Vibes….

    I could not get close to stage..but this video will give one the Drift of Craig’s great speech…i tried to zoom in a bit…but one is best with a Tripod for zooming.. All the Speeches were magic…but here is Craig’s..more or less in Full –

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    Brian; Nice work dude. Video on zoom is shaky, but a monopod is less trouble than a tripod. Works for me!

  • guano

    Please take note of Iain Orr’s words or the moderators will act.

    Why have the moderators not already acted on Habbabkuk, a fat, rich, spoilt homosexual who epitomises the opposite of Craig
    Murray’s blog, for targetting Mary with the misogynist racist insult ‘Tough titty’.

    If action is not taken immediately, I will certainly not continue to contribute to this blog. If the mods can’t uphold respect for women, except in the making of a political point, and they can’t see the difference between personal and political insults, I’m gone.

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Thanks Brian, I tried in vain to watch the live stream from George Sq. this afternoon.
    Wisnae working!
    Hard to believe its the same man who’d been knocked for 6 by the flu just a few days ago.
    Excellent stuff !!

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “I have no problems mentioning Hamas, an organisation that israel helped to spawn to create division.”

    Yes, you have no problem mentioning them now, after I’ve called you out and for the purposes of what passes for your argument.

    Have you specifically mentioned Hamas and:or Hiwboillah in any of your previous posts? What about the other commenters when they have posted prolifically about Israel/Palestine?


    “So, how many Israeli citizens have Hamas and Hezbollah killed this year ?”

    Irrelevant and diversionary, Donny. What is relevant is not the number of Israelis they may or may not have killed in 2014 but the fact that they are major players – politically* and militarily – in the Israel/Palestine conflict and it is for this reason that I am astonished that they are never mentioned here by name.

    And why do you only ask about 2014? Any reason for avoiding the last, say, 10 years?

    * for instance, the Hamas founding Charter still calls for the elimination of Israel.


    I think I’ll stay with the interpretation I advanced at 20h45 – unless you can furnish me with a better one. Don’t bother to come back unless you can supply such.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “If action is not taken immediately, I will certainly not continue to contribute to this blog.”

    Is that a promise?

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    Hab; What are your feeling about being banned at Squonk? Has it given you hives as yet? My sympathies if you are suffering physically/emotionally. It’s something you should consider; empathy, I mean.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Ben (California Nazi)

    “Hab; What are your feeling about being banned at Squonk? Has it given you hives as yet?”

    Not at all, Ben.

    It was to be expected from a blog owner who – to judge from his old posts on Craig’s blog – was a fully-paid up member of the Egregiousness of Excellences and therefore – unlike Craig Murray – intolerant of dissent.

    Mr Squonk also takes the rather interesting position that a commenter who remembers what other commenters have written – and even quotes it back at them – is a “cyber-stalker”. He then amusingly proceeded to reveal himself as a “cyber-stalker” by quoting something I had once written back at me… 🙂

  • Squonk


    You were actually for some time banned from Craig’s blog here before you started to post at squonk IIRC so enough of this “intolerant of dissent” nonsense about me. You’ve posted at squonk for the best part of a year now without being banned until now and you’re the first person I’ve ever had to ban at squonk.

    And of course I would remember you quoting which direction Mary’s bedroom window faced because it gave me the creeps at the time when I saw you say it.

  • Tony M

    Few can have failed to notice that the Israeli Zionist tactic is to repeat the name Hamas over and over again, in the hope that this bogeyman designation for legitimate Palestinians organistations will sink in and distract from the Israeli state’s war crimes and genocidal policies. It is hypocritical too, to refer to the Hamas charter’s apparent unwavering stance, when the Zionist state and its tools, spokespersons, politicians and many of the people in this overtly racist squatters state, repeatedly call – without shame or recognition of their towering hypocrisy – for extermination of practically everyone on earth, with countless particularly murderous attempts to do that just that, aided and abetted by the US and its hanger-ons, to the Palestinian people and the whole Arab world. Make no mistake, these religious and racial supremacist sorts, who have waged what must be the longest sustained murderous persecution upon a victim people, as intense but far worse as for then times longer than the persecutions of so many during the total wars on civilian populations of the middle 20th century; these sorts, these aberrations are an affront to the virtuous majority of humanity, they are quite utterly mad and dangerous and represent, and have done for so long it’s incredible they haven’t yet been put in their insignificant place, the biggest threat to the welfare and security of humankind, and particularly though this is of lesser concern to many, to themselves.

    Caught your speech on the livestream Craig, powerful stuff, can’t say I found anything to disagree with there, rather hoped you’d have longer to speak, but in a short time, you nailed the issues and shamed those who crush our democratic rights for a tawdry shilling or sixpence; warm thanks for an incredible effort and the many sacrifices you made and still make in support and pursuit of higher ideals and ambitions. Time I hope now for yourself to rest and recuperate, amongst the love of your dearest, to gather strength for whatever lies ahead, certain that the oppressors weaken as we grow irrepressibly, the walls are crumbling and the better future we imagine becomes attainable.

  • Tony M

    Gah! “then times” should be “ten times” Give or take a few years, as 1948 to the present day is 66 years and 1939 to 1945 is six years, 11 times really, so ten times is not in the least euphemistic and is actually an understatement. It is a no-brainer which is worse.

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    “Not at all, Ben.”

    Don’t you have accountability for your own self? Is your narcissism so extreme that you are unaware you display no learnings from noraml socialization? Are you without any sense of guilt from your bald-headed fits of anti-social behavior? If you can’t honestly and directly answer those questions, need I suggest you seek psych counsel? you need to check yourself before you are irredeemably wrecked.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    Why do you feel you have to come on here to justify yourself?

  • Squonk

    Why do you feel you have to come on here to justify yourself?


    ELIZA is a computer program and an early example of primitive natural language processing. ELIZA operated by processing users’ responses to scripts, the most famous of which was DOCTOR, a simulation of a Rogerian psychotherapist. Using almost no information about human thought or emotion, DOCTOR sometimes provided a startlingly human-like interaction. ELIZA was written at MIT by Joseph Weizenbaum between 1964 and 1966.

    When the “patient” exceeded the very small knowledge base, DOCTOR might provide a generic response, for example, responding to “My head hurts” with “Why do you say your head hurts?” A possible response to “My mother hates me” would be “Who else in your family hates you?” ELIZA was implemented using simple pattern matching techniques, but was taken seriously by several of its users, even after Weizenbaum explained to them how it worked. It was one of the first chatterbots in existence.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Nice one Brian, well done for capturing himself in action and putting the video on youtube:

    The cheering was so loud, it was hard to make out all of Craig’s words, but here’s the second half of his speech:

    We have got to recover the moral ground. We have got to build an ethical country, a country we can be proud of – in its politics, in its multiculturism, in its inclusion, in its social provision for those more needy, we have got to change.

    I’m not interested anyway, frankly, in a few more powers for the Scottish parliament. For me it makes no difference at all if they can change income tax a penny this way, a penny that way, if they’re still sending our children to fight and die in illegal wars.

    We have to move towards a future, a future of independence. I don’t just have hope, I have certainty that we’re going to get there, and next time as we campaign as a country, it goes forward, we’re going for full and true independence. We are saying “No to Trident“, but we are also saying “No to Nato“. We are also saying “No to the pound sterling,” we’ll have our own currency.  And we are saying “No to the queen“, we don’t need her. And I’ll tell you this, when the queen was purring down the telephone to David Cameron, that was not purring, that was the death rattle of the monarchy in Scotland.

    We are moving forward. We are going to win, and we are going to be a free and independent nation. Thank you.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    The reason you banned me is because I laughed at your veiled, ludicrous threat, which I reproduce below:



    Cyber stalking

    Harassment can take place on the internet and through the misuse of email. This is sometimes known as ‘cyberstalking’. This can include the use of social networking sites, chat rooms and other forums facilitated by technology. The internet can be used for a range of purposes relating to harassment, for example:

    1) to locate personal information about a victim”

    Squonk, you’re being silly. Do you really think you can intimidate me with that nonsense?

    In a technical detail : Mary has informed us, on the internet, that she lives in Surrey. So where is the “to locate personal information about a victim”?

    Grow up.


    And now bugger off back to your own blog, there’s a good chap.

  • Tony M

    Is it the rest of the world’s fault or problems that the Israeli victims of the Israeli state’s wacko policies and indoctrination: their own deluded people, and their apologists and enablers outside the bubble of the artificial reality this squatter-state expounds, are so ill-equipped, so un-equipped to function in a multi-racial, multicultural pluralistic world, which challenges, overwhelms and renders irrelevant their wholly-imaginary worldview and phantasmagorical self-proclaimed supremacy, for which all the evidence suggests the complete opposite is the true case and that this creed having charged up a cul-de-sac, are in total disarray, have come unstuck and have become laughing stocks, jesters prancing inanely, mouthing idiocies, on a vast stage, with the whole of the auditorium, the world, howling through tears of mirth for them to “get off” and be gone.

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    AA; I always thought Rogerian therapy was limited even as a college student. Free association is good for eliciting sub-conscious leanings, but says nothing about how prompts from the questioner can be interpreted by the questioned as getting emotional derivatives by answering for approval.

    That’s the mimic sociopaths seek. They want to learn the codified normal responses for their catalogues. That’s why sociopaths don’t improve with psychotherapy. It just teaches them how to be better imitators of human behavior.

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