Unprofound Thoughts on Fracking 466

I hope I don’t pretend to have expertise on everything. On fracking I have none. My entirely amateur views on the subject are that the major risk appears to be pollution of aquifers. The UK seems too seismically stable for earthquakes or volcanoes to be a serious concern. I am not terribly worried about the local environmental consequences of the installations – human activity of all kinds detracts from the natural environment in a sense. This spot was doubtless a great deal more pleasing aesthetically before Dundee was built upon it. But then Dundee has a great deal more human utility.

It is also plain to me that humans are going to have to burn fossil fuels for a while yet, despite the very obvious fact that we also need to put much more energy and resource into developing renewable alternatives.

So I am not opposed to fracking in principle, which I know will upset some people. But nor can I understand the hurry. Fracking is being undertaken on a very large scale in the United States and elsewhere. Onshore fracking is not actually a new technology at all, but its widespread use is new. Given concerns especially about the effects on underground water supplies, why don’t we just wait for thirty years and see how it turns out elsewhere? That should give time for a good accumulation of evidence.

The hydrocarbons are not going anywhere – they will still be there in thirty years time and I predict will be a good deal more valuable. So my entirely unprofound, non-fundamentalist and dully pragmatic view on fracking is that there should be a thirty year moratorium. Then we can think about it.

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  • Tony_0pmoc

    cometimes I have felt incredibly alone..particularly when I was very young…even though I was the youngest of 5..two rather older brothers and two older sisters (avg about 10 years older than me) but I haven’t really..well only for a short while..when I got my own place…and my Mum was no longer fussing over me…As soon as I realised this freedom..I juts wished I had done it when I was 19..but hey ho..I wasn’t lonely for that long, cos I was so lonely what else could do..but ask her out…etc..So really it was more or less..trying to train him to be a catholic priest..nah that ain’t going to work..so I left my Mum and Found Girls…I reckon my Dad thought I was Gay…he died before he realised I was not Going To Follow Him To Ushaw College..to Upholland Priest’s Training College at the age of 10…I Wanted GIRLS


  • Mary

    Yet again I am smeared by the troll as ‘hating my country’. Yet again I repeat that he is wrong. I do not. However I do hate the illegal offensive wars that our politicians have led us into.

    I did not know that Harper is leading his country back into the rebombing of Iraq.

    ‘Harper referred to the hit-and-run incident as “ISIL-inspired,” a reference to the extremist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, against whom Canada has joined a U.S.-led bombing campaign in Iraq. The driver was killed by police.’

    ‘“In fact, this will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts, and those of our national security agencies, to take all necessary steps to identify and counter threats and keep Canada safe here at home — just as it will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts to work with our allies around the world and fight against the terrorist organizations who brutalize those in other countries with the hope of bringing their savagery to our shores. They will have no safe haven.”’


  • Mary

    Q. Why did Harper go against the wishes of Jean Chrétien, his predecessor, and those of many Canadian citizens, to take Canada into the Iraq War in 2003? Who recruited him?


    Some dirty deeds were ongoing under cover.

    ‘The same day Canada publicly refused to join the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, a high-ranking Canadian official was secretly promising the Americans clandestine military support for the fiercely controversial operation.

    The revelation that Canadian forces may have secretly participated in the invasion of Iraq is contained in a classified U.S. diplomatic memo obtained exclusively by CBC News from the whistleblower website WikiLeaks.’

    ‘But even as Chrétien told the Commons that Canada wouldn’t participate in Operation Iraqi Freedom, Canadian diplomats were secretly telling their U.S. counterparts something entirely different.

    The classified U.S. document obtained from WikiLeaks shows senior Canadian officials met that same day with high-ranking American and British diplomats at Foreign Affairs headquarters in Ottawa.’

    See there how it works.


  • BrianFujisan

    Mary ..i see yir point.. I Hate my country… But i love Scotland … i Hate the 400.000 per bombs.. = Medicine That can Buy… Ect Neverminds the innocent deaths…murders.. Dont let the Evil fucker get to you… Real Friends rule.

  • jivss

    These warmongering Atlanticist Five Eyes fuckwits have, as far as I can tell, being promising to “redouble their efforts” and “leave no stone unturned”-and similar Masonic code phrases- for 15 plus years now and the disastrous clusterfucks just seem to stagger from disaster to worsening disaster,

    Maybe it’s because they haven’t got a single fuckwits clue as to what they’re doing because the whole sorry narrative they’re peddling is a load of total lies and bullocks.

  • Mary

    Cheers Brian and Jives.


    Meanwhile. Please ask your MP to sign this. Still ongoing.


    Date tabled: 20.10.2014

    Primary sponsor: McDonnell, John

    Sponsors: Corbyn, Jeremy

    That this House notes with regret that, at a time when all political parties are encouraging greater democratic engagement, the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011 is being used to prevent the use of Parliament Square by the Occupy movement as a venue for a week of discussion and debates on the nature of our democracy; further notes with concern that the Act and local byelaws are being used to hinder this exercise in people’s democracy by banning the use of amplification, banners and even tarpaulins for participants to sit on; calls for a halt to arbitrary and disproportionate police action; and urges all the relevant authorities to co-operate with Occupy to facilitate rather than hinder democracy on Parliament’s doorstep.


  • DoNNyDarKo

    Sometimes you outregev even regev in your skewed view of what gets written on this blog and those that contribute.
    Hate the UK ? No. I am pissed off that Britain was rebranded into a UK that is no better than an extension of the US.We’ve been following them blindly for years in disastrous war after war.We support the bullies and the beasts of this world and as was the case in Iraq ,Afghanistan and Libya , we have become bullies.
    The UK ,which in my eyes is a Westminster run by the City of London is no longer representing the constituent parts of the UK.This fascist entity does not have the peoples interests at heart any longer.”United” for Westminster means under our yoke.
    So if we were to bring hate into the equation,then I hate the injustice,lack of transparency,the corruption,the greed and a parliament that allows it to happen.And you habba are simply the smell that goes with it.You are the defender of rotting corpses,whether Westminster or the fascist state of Israel.

  • BrianFujisan

    So if we were to bring hate into the equation,then I hate the injustice,lack of transparency,the corruption,the greed and a parliament that allows it to happen.And you habba are simply the smell that goes with it.You are the defender of rotting corpses,whether Westminster or the fascist state of Israel.


    Thank you.. Time you aquinted with Squnok… And thank you

  • Mary

    In spite of a background in the Treasury and HMRC this individual who has been chairman since 2011, slinks off from the Tesco meltdown.

    Tesco boss Sir Richard Broadbent to quit over profits error
    BBC News‎ – 17 mins ago


    Not impressive?

    ‘From the 2013 report and accounts –
    Sir Richard Broadbent’s fee for his role as Non-executive Chairman is £625,000 p.a. and he has the benefit of a company car and driver. This fee
    was set at the time of his appointment and has not been increased since. He does not receive additional committee fees.’

    The ones to suffer as the share price falls are the staff who receive shares as part of their wage packages.

    There is an ongoing campaign to get Tesco to pay a living wage.


    Whereas – p 60
    Table 1 Directors’ emoluments

    Executive Directors
    £ in 000s 2012/13
    Richard Brasher 1,302
    Philip Clarke 1,171
    Andrew Higginson 488
    Tim Mason 2,773
    Laurie McIlwee 917
    Lucy Neville-Rolfe 680

    Non-executive Directors
    Sir Richard Broadbent 682
    Gareth Bullock 141
    Patrick Cescau 132
    Stuart Chambers 171
    Karen Cook 82
    Ken Hanna 112
    Ken Hydon 100
    Deanna Oppenheimer 138
    Jacqueline Tammenoms Bakker 94

    TOTAL £8,983,000

    Plus share incentive schemes, plus pensions, plus plus plus

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “Habby: Any legislation that runs contrary to the principles of the 30 articles of the UN Charter on Human Rights is clearly moving in the direction of totalitarianism.”

    Given that there is not a state on this earth that does not have one or the other law which runs contrary to the principles of the UNCHR, your reasoning means that every state on earth is clearly moving in the direction of totalitarianism.

    Is that your opinion?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    Although you are a coarse loudmouth with nothing of value to say, your posts nevertheless always make me smile. I suppose it’s because your technique is so appealingly transparent.


    “Not content with seeing tv licence evaders as some kinda terrorists you now seem to be insinuating half the posters on this blog are terrorists too.”


    What I actually said was (as you know quite well) ;

    1/. let the authorities use whatever legal means exist in order to catch the free-loading scumbags who denounce the BBC but keep watching while not paying their licence. No mention of terrorism.

    2/. my sense is that many on this blog do not disapprove of acts of terror for reasons I’ve already explained; you will certainly almost never read a post which makes disapproval or opposition clear (recent posts on Canada refer). I am obviously not claiming that they are terrorists themselves.

    Now go an take a cold shower and your pills.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    Time presses, so I’d like to reply to you later on. (Perhaps also, through that, to DonnyDarkThoughts since his intervention doesn’t deserve a direct reply)

  • Peacewisher

    If that is the case, Habby, it is certainly nothing to be proud of… although you seem to be proud of it!

  • Sofia

    On topic, Oops!

    Naomi Klein’s take on fracking…Using Ukraine to Cook the Planet

    “The industry’s use of the crisis in Ukraine to expand its global market under the banner of “energy security” must be seen in the context of this uninterrupted record of crisis opportunism. Only this time many more of us know where true energy security lies. Thanks to the work of top researchers such as Mark Jacobson and his Stanford team, we know that the world can, by the year 2030, power itself entirely with renewables.”

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “If that is the case, Habby, it is certainly nothing to be proud of… although you seem to be proud of it!”

    I merely point it out, Peacewisher, in response to those wild claims that the UK is moving towards totalitarianism.

    Are you disputing that what I said is the case?

  • Silvio

    Have to confess, when I first heard the news of the Canadian terrorist attack in Ottawa, my first thoughts to myself were – How very Operation-Gladio-like this all seems. Apparently, I’m not the only one with a suspicious mind.

    Canadian Terror Wave: a Modern-Day Gladio
    by Tony Cartalucci


    Clearly, both suspects were under the watch of not only Canadian authorities, but also US investigators, before the attacks.

    Canada’s Attacks Were Predictable – Western Security Agencies are Prime Suspects

    It was warned last month after security agencies staged scares in both the US and Australia, that suspects under investigation, being walked through planned terrorist attacks by Western security agencies as part of “sting operations” would inevitably be switched to live terrorist attacks.

    In mid-September A Rochester man, Mufid A. Elfgeeh, was accused by the FBI of attempting to provide material support to ISIS (undercover FBI agents), attempting to kill US soldiers, and possession of firearms and silencers (provided to him by the FBI). The FBI’s own official press release stated (emphasis added):

    According to court records, Elfgeeh attempted to provide material support to ISIS in the form of personnel, namely three individuals, two of whom were cooperating with the FBI. Elfgeeh attempted to assist all three individuals in traveling to Syria to join and fight on behalf of ISIS. Elfgeeh also plotted to shoot and kill members of the United States military who had returned from Iraq. As part of the plan to kill soldiers, Elfgeeh purchased two handguns equipped with firearm silencers and ammunition from a confidential source. The handguns were made inoperable by the FBI before the confidential source gave them to Elfgeeh.

    It was warned that only an inoperable firearm stood between Elfgeeh’s arrest and his successful execution of deadly plans hatched by him and his undercover FBI handlers. This script, written by the FBI to entrap Elfgeeh, would be followed almost to the letter in live attacks subsequently carried out in Canada resulting in the death of two Canadian soldiers. Conveniently, both suspects are now dead and little chance remains of ascertaining the truth of who they were in contact with and how they carried out their deadly attacks.

    With both suspects having been on both US and Canadian watch lists – it is very likely undercover agents were involved in either one or both cases. While many possibilities exist, Western security agencies should be among the first suspects considered as potential collaborators.


  • Kurtan

    GW Bush said that if you are not with us you are against us.In similar vein Habbabkuk you intimate that those who do not agree with government policy give their quiet support to the so called terrorists.
    Does it never raise any suspicions when there is an incident and all CCTV just happen to be out wherever they are needed?or when normal operating procedures are replaced by unusual and often illegal procedures which hinder investigation?No post mortems.Evidence being destroyed or people committing suicide in odd ways.Our leaders are not honest.The police are corrupt.The countries judicial system has gone back 700 years.Does none of this bother you?
    Or were you always an unquestioning supporter of authority?

  • Jives


    I couldn’t give a flying fuck if you think i’m coarse.

    You’ve used the C and F word many a time and have called other posters by insulting names so shut up with the hypocrisy.

    May i remind you which of us has been banned here?

    Clue:it wasn’t me.

    So ~Habbabtroll..who’s on your insane list of Terrri$ts today?

    People who pay their parking tickets a day late?

    What a studied ignoramus clown you are.

  • YouKnowMyName

    @ Silvio,
    How rare are FBI led “False-Flags”?
    do we have any substantiated court evidence for “False-Flags”?

    well, in the world of IT Crime/Hacking, rather than Gladio, we can look to this website:

    for a list of more than 30 countries that were destructively hacked in 2012 – by (an informant under control of) “the FBI”

    A Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) informant targeted more than two dozen countries in a series of high-profile cyberattacks in 2012. The names of many of those countries have remained secret, under seal by a court order—until now.

    Netherlands, (EU, NATO)
    Belgium, (EU, NATO)
    United Kingdom, (EU, NATO, 5-EYES)
    Australia, (5-EYES)
    Papua New Guinea,
    Republic of Maldives,
    Turkey, (NATO)
    South Africa,
    Saudi Arabia,
    Trinidad and Tobago,
    Bosnia and Herzegovina,

    including national government sites in
    United Kingdom (EU, NATO, 5-EYES)
    Republic of Maldives,
    Saint Lucia,
    Puerto Rico.
    Greece, (EU, NATO)
    Slovenia, (EU)
    United States, (NATO, 5-EYES)

    This list targeted Databases which containing the login credentials, financial details, and private emails of foreign citizens, and in some cases government agents. This data was exfiltrated by hackers tasked by Monsegur to do as much damage as possible. After they stole the data, it was routinely uploaded, at Monsegur’s instruction, to a server under the FBI’s control, according to court statements.

    [My speculation is that the NSA will have then further exploited these databases & compromised systems, under cover of this Anonymous/LulzSec FBI “false-Flag”]

    Monsegur played a crucial role in staging high-profile (False-Flag) cyberattacks against FBI security contractor ManTech, and the Texas intelligence firm Stratfor, [in which my personal details were leaked!] The FBI attempted to use Monsegur to entrap Nadim Kobeissi, author of the secure communication software Cryptocat, but without success, but Monsegur continued working online for the FBI until March 6, 2012 when he was arrested, with 2 British & 2 Irish citizens.

    The court-case where Monsegur was prosecuted & sentenced to 1 year suspended sentence (including 7 months pre-trail detention) claimed that he was successful as an FBI informant to protect the USA from over 300 cybersecurity attacks between 2011 to 2014, including NASA, dot MIL & media companies. The court mentioned that he had made some attacks but the list of countries/targets was censored and sealed, (until being reverse engineered by the above website, mostly using ‘useless-metadata’!)

    In fact, given the veracity of the “truth’s” so far revealed by US agencies – it’s likely that the opposite is true, 300 foreign False-Flags and possibly thirty US protections.

    p.s. I met a live UK based Gladio (guns & bombs not IT) operative once, nice chap.

  • Republicofscotland

    Or rather, it is perhaps not ambiguous. Deep down, the Marys, RoSs, DonnyDarkos and so on rather like what they’re seeing, because they have a deep hatred of the UK and a number of other Western countries. But of course they daren’t come out with an endorsement of those terrorists acts because (1) they would put off more moderate and sane readers here and (2) they are afraid of attracting the (justified) attention of the security services.

    Habb=itual Liar

    A deep hatred of the UK you say, I think not, completely disillusioned by Westminster, most definitely,there’s a world of difference you arrogant presumptuous imbecile.

    As for moderate and sane readers in here do you class yourself,in that category?

    Speaking of sanity, one mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter, though no right and proper person could condone terrorist acts of violence, however when these acts are committed by one’s government, what is one to think of them?

    Finally, please explain fully,including evidence your wild accusations, that several posters in this blog,including myself endorse or secretly promote terrorism.

    You do realise that your rantings make you sound like an extremely unstable individual. A trip to the SIS Building seems in order, to de-programme you.

  • YouKnowMyName

    @Habb – well how many quotes from Orwell the 1948 optimist do you want?

    In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act

    Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear

    In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia

    We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men

    the fact that these maxims have become more urgent with age calls on intelligent/average men/women to try and understand/respond to the varied government “public diplomacy” (=Billion-dollar propaganda budgets!) efforts/tricks with a few minutes of their spare time. I admit it is a waste of our time, but we aren’t the terrorists here! I am an anti-terrorist, I do not hate the UK, I do not hate the US. Please add this to my file.

  • S Paterson

    Craig firstly I want to thank you very much indeed for exposing Westminster et al. Your videos are fairly doing the rounds on political forums and so on which is great news.

    Secondly I want to mention something about Fracking. If you have a look at Greenpeace Enegydesk you’ll see that the Economic Committee in the House of Lords has been behind ‘pushing through’ licenses to Frack in Scotland. They’ve identified ‘large swathes of land from Aberdeenshire to Dumfries and Galloway’, which includes Loch Lomond and the Trossachs, ideal for fracking. At least five of the thirteen members of this committee, such as Baroness Noakes, have interests in fracking / energy companies and will make a great deal of money from this. I just reckon it’s another case of exploiting Scottish resources to line their own pockets.

    Best wishes for the future Craig and please keep up the good work.

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