Miliband Macho 138

Given that the absolute maximum share of the UK vote Labour might conceivably get is 36%, it is extraordinarily arrogant for Miliband to insist on the right to impose his full manifesto. Tactically, of course, he is trying to panic Scottish voters into supporting Labour lest they lose the chance to have him as PM. I can see no reason why this would suddenly become more successful than it has been so far.

Unionists have plainly twigged that next time we have a referendum, they will lose, even if it was next week. The near hysterical focus of unionists on not allowing another referendum, almost to the exclusion of all other argument, is very heartening. Independence is not only inevitable, it will be with us even sooner than the unionists fear.

138 thoughts on “Miliband Macho

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  • Anon1

    That’s not at all how the conversation went, Giyane. I “waded in” by saying Janner should be prosecuted. I recall it was the very first thing I said on the matter. We only got around to the Muslim part because I wanted to see how you would react to the same guilt by association tactics that you employ against Janner and support for Israel. As I said, it was a tester. You are motivated entirely by Janner being a Zionist Jew. I don’t know how you can pretend that you aren’t.

    Anyway, you’re starting to sound like a bit of a psycho so I think we should leave it there, and no doubt you have much campaigning to do on behalf of the thousands of victims of Muslim grooming gangs. It being the victims you care about, of course.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Interesting Uninformed, unsupported, partisan piece in neo-atlanticist propaganda mag by Nick Cohen.


  • Mary

    Ba’al above on Anon1’s new avatar.

    ‘New email account.’

    Habbabkuk has one too! That’s a strange coincidence. 😉

  • NotALizardReally!

    It’s easy enough to do. Probably planning some sockpuppetry.

  • Foggy Bottomline

    This where we are headed if the ConDems win the election, we can already see them floating re Iran the SAME “procurement” spin as below already in preparation.

    Previous allegations by NYT contributor John Bolton about another Middle Eastern country’s nuke program:

    “Iraq, despite UN sanctions, maintains an aggressive program to rebuild the infrastructure for its nuclear, chemical, biological, and missile programs. In each instance, Iraq’s procurement agents are actively working to obtain both weapons-specific and dual-use materials and technologies critical to their rebuilding and expansion efforts, using front companies and whatever illicit means are at hand. We estimate that once Iraq acquires fissile material — whether from a foreign source or by securing the materials to build an indigenous fissile material capability — it could fabricate a nuclear weapon within one year.”

    John R. Bolton, Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security
    Remarks to the Second Global Conference on Nuclear, Bio/Chem Terrorism: Mitigation and Response
    The Hudson Institute, Washington, DC
    November 1, 2002

  • Phil


    I only suggest the SNP would be more convincing as a new democratic force if they engaged less with the same old undemocartic forces. I have no idea why this ires you to accuse me of repetition and demand my full blueprint for progressive enhancement of the world. I have repeatedly answered within a reformist framework. Just tll him to do one. They do not currently need him but take his support and they will end up relying on it at some point.

    Perhaps you are simply struggling to rationalise that your latest fav politician aligns with the epitomy of evil. I feel your pain mate.

    In all seriousness and not refering to you personally at all but I believe such rationalisations contribute to very real mental health problems.

  • Mary

    A good day to hear the Internationale and the Red Army Choir.


    Happy birthday to John Spencer-Davis. My mother used to tell us that she was the May Queen. That would have been in the 20s. At school in the 50s, we used to dance around the maypole and thread the ribbons. All gone. Look at your gadget or iPhone nowadays.

  • Giyane


    Prat. Israel and Zionism is nothing whatsoever to do with Janner in this case, except in so far as his connections have allowed him to escape from his evident crimes against children for a very long time.

    You are brain-washed into defending Zionism and every attack on a friend of Israel gets your trolling juices working. Like a hungry dog, you start to drool saliva as soon as the Z=cue hits the blog and you are unable to see that the discussion is about oppression of children.

    Pathetic brain-washed fools.

  • Anon1

    The latest Private Eye has a good piece on the SNP’s dirty alliance with Murdoch (page 7), described by Leveson as “striking”. It should be noted that this is not merely the result of necessary political expediency on the part of the SNP (as Komodo likes to tell himself, whiskey and revolver at hand). It is active collusion, with the Sun helping the SNP to shaft Labour who are threatening to break up Murdoch’s titles, and in return Salmond lobbying UK ministers on behalf of News Corporation. You can have all your dreams shattered for just £1.80.

    And remember this: the Master always has his pound of flesh.

  • fred

    There was a great deal of demonisation of the Liberal Democrats over their support for tuition fees. However it now seems that students from lower income families are faring considerably worse under the SNP in Scotland than in other parts of the UK.

    Scotland now has the lowest rate of grant in western Europe;

    Since the SNP took office in 2007, spending on income-related student grant in Scotland has almost halved in real terms; and

    Scotland is the only part of the UK where borrowing is highest among students from poorer backgrounds.

    “There is insufficient parliamentary scrutiny in Edinburgh. Backbench government MSPs do not rebel. The SNP has a majority on all committees. Ministers’ parliamentary liaison officers often sit on committees – this is not the case among parliamentary private secretaries in Westminster.”

  • Darren

    Tactically, of course, Miliband wants to maximize the Labour vote in England. You really think he doesn’t anticipate a wipe out in Scotland? There’s simply nothing to be done to turn the SNP tide. However – you need to acknowledge this, surely! – if he declared the possibility of some kind of pact with the SNP to form a government, the Tories and the Tory press would run that until election day and effectively destroy any chance of a Labour-SNP coalition government anyhow! It doesn’t take much imagination to see Miliband was caught in a double bind.

    I don’t actually know what you’re worried about. Whatever the election result, is evident Scotland will be an independent country in the near future. The Tories may well still form the next government with another Con-Lib alliance but the aftermath is going to be enormous. The UK out of the EU and Scotland out of the UK.

    Maybe when all the nationalist dust has settled and everyone’s happy with their little flag identities, we’ll be able to get back to some real issues.

  • Elizabeth Rogered

    Thanks, Anon1, for a heartening morsel of news. It’s delightful to see Britain’s privatized glavlit turn on the state and pitch in to break it up. The UK’s owners have evidently concluded that their stake in this state has dwindled to its liquidation value.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Why vote SNP? To bring an end to Fred’s perpetual whining.

    He’s made such a big deal of respecting the choice of the majority of Scots in the Referendum that he will have to respect the choice of the majority of Scots in the General Election.

    Unless he’s a hypocrite.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    It seems like British politics (British not Scottish) lost its purpose. Both major parties agree that there should be a huge wall between rich and poor. Labour would just paint it to the colour that poor would choose (so poor would swallow this petty pill easily) and Tory would convince the poor that the colour (chosen by rich) would comfort the poor. Nothing I would call significant difference aimed at wider society and not just with 1 million plus equity or 100K plus income.

    Not sure if all the money spent on election is actually worth it. Why would not HM just pick the PM out of a hat?

  • Republicofscotland

    Although not in this manifesto,I think the independence question will, again surface in the 2016 SNP manifesto.

    As for Ed Milibsnd he got to publicly state that he wouldnt deal with SNP,but privately in my opinion he would.

    Will Miliband be man enough to try and form a government, in the event of a hun parliament I sincerely hope so.

    Or will Nicola need to drag him screaming and kicking,in order for him to man up.

    Could Miliband even contemplate letting David Cameron form a government to thwart the SNP, l don’t think so.

    Miliband’s vanity,and the well known fact that he’s desperate to be Prime Minister,will see him block a Tory government,along with the SNP Plaid Cymru and the Greens.

  • fred

    “So much for Freds bullshit,about the SNP
    being, Nazi’s.”

    No, this is exactly why I oppose Nationalism, this is what it leads to when you stir up sectarian hatred. Incidents like this are getting more and more common in Scotland. The Unionists and Nationalists are just two sides of the same coin, get rid of both and we can all live together in peace.

  • Johnstone

    Its a fine spring late afternoon about 3 weeks ago there is one standing aside from the group of young mothers with their toddlers. Shes between her two children playing in the sand pit and the group of young women who are all sharing stories and snacks together at the park bench. She looks towards me as I walk up the path towards the park with my dog. I think about how lonely she looks and how lonely I know her to be. I am not in ‘uniform’ is that why her eyes meet mine as I get closer? Shes small, young and vulnerable this much I know. I say ‘hello’ as I approach and I smile at her always looking into her eyes. She returns a friendly greeting and I think she smiled too, because you can hear smiles if you listen carefully. I can only wonder whether I am the first to offer her a friendly greeting in that park. Its called Camp King Park Oberursel Germany.

  • Republicofscotland

    “Fred will love your typo, Republic.
    A ‘hun’ parliament.”

    Yes Juteman,no malice intended their nothing sinister just a typo.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    The latest Private Eye has a good piece on the SNP’s …. (AKnob)

    As I first mentioned the PE piece on Wednesday and have drawn three alternative sets of conclusions* from it since, including PE’s own, you’re a long way out of date and off the mark as usual. Try to keep up. Viagra might help.

    *in the interests of a balanced and entertaining discussion, not that you’d know anything about that.

  • Republicofscotland

    “Fred is blaming the victim.
    She deserved it.”

    You’re probably right Juteman,on the Fred thing.

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