Vicious Tories 264


We do not have a parliamentary system which can hold a government with an absolute majority to account, even when that government only gained 37% of the vote. This is a salutary video for all of us, but particularly my fellow SNP members who think that being on House of Commons committees will make a big difference. Watch it from 16.32.30 where Paul Flynn starts to explore the links between Liam Fox, Adam Werritty and Matthew Gould. As he threatens to uncover hidden truths, he is shouted down by Tory MP Robert Halfon and forbidden from speaking by Tory committee chair Bernard Jenkin.

The Tories will be even worse in this parliament.

Halfon has today been promoted to Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party and given a seat in the Cabinet. He is a really nasty piece of work whose political career has been sponsored and financed by a very sinister figure named Poju Zabludowicz, who works closely with Mossad. It is appalling that Zabludowicz should be able to place his puppet into the centre of government, and shows yet again that money can buy power at Westminster, every time.

It is amusing that Cameron has been forced to put David Mundell into the Cabinet as Secretary of State for Scotland. Also interesting that in the present state of opinion Cameron was not able to put in a colonial governor from the Lords or an English constituency. But whatever else may be said in Mundell’s favour, nobody has ever described him as highly intelligent, I suspect not even his mum. So it will be interesting to see how he manages his extraordinarily sensitive brief.

Labour equally had no choice but Ian Murray – which means as a shadow cabinet member he will have to stop pretending he is opposed to Trident. As anti-Trident rhetoric was the thing that saved Murray (plus disgraceful media attacks on his SNP opponent), by forcing him to become pro-Trident Scottish Labour will make a strong bid to have no MPs at all.


264 thoughts on “Vicious Tories

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  • Ba'al Zevul

    Ba’al Zevul is a nasty little shit who attacks the person because he can’t dispute the facts.

    From you, praise indeed. Please supply a link to your instant statistic, as requested above, in order to verify your, er, facts.

    And I’m almost certainly bigger than you. In every way.

  • Phil

    RoS

    How does this bullshit SNP tactic help the people of Scotland? I struggle to see how it helps anything except the SNP. Of course you will say the two are inseperable, that they need to consolidate the SNP powerbase to then help the people of Scotland. Such devotion leads to horror.

    You applaud press release by press release not knowing or understanding where your leaders take you. That’s party politics!

  • Ba'al Zevul

    I’ve numbered the points in the post to which Fred objects to make it simpler for him.
    Please identify the personal attack here. The evidence for each statement may be found in multiple posts of Fred’s. I say they are facts.

    (Note for newcomers:)

    1.Fred hates nationalists with a passion, because they are nationalists.
    2.Fred would certainly endorse the Tories’ perpetuation of austerity and dismissal of a fair society rather than join the SNP in opposing them.
    3.Although living in Scotland, Fred wishes to be ruled by doctrinaire Westminster neocons.
    4.As the recent SNP surge (after the SNP explicitly accepted its defeat on independence) shows, most Scots don’t.
    5.Fred has repeatedly called for Scots to accept the result of the independence referendum.

    What part of this do you regard as an attack on yourself Fred? Is any part of it not a *fact*?

    The SNP won in Scotland, massively. (Fact)

    Get over it, you small-minded, foulmouthed bigot.

    (That was a personal attack. See the difference?)

  • fred

    “I’ve numbered the points in the post to which Fred objects to make it simpler for him.
    Please identify the personal attack here. The evidence for each statement may be found in multiple posts of Fred’s. I say they are facts. ”

    And I say you are a nasty little shit.

    Now fuck off and die retard.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    OTOH I think Phil has a fair point. The SNP’s preferred result was a hung parliament in which they held the balance of power. As things stand, they have no more influence than Plaid Cymru, effectively. All they can hope to do in Parliament is help to stop the insaner products of the Tory imagination – the ones that alienate moderate Tories. Which is what the defeated Scots Labour candidates would have done too. If they get too uppity, Labour has no reason whatever to support them, and may ally with the Tories to vote them down, indeed.

    On the other hand again, Salmond is a very shrewd operator: he knows all this, and he will make the most of the SNP’s presence in ways that are less obvious.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    And I say you are a nasty little shit.

    Now fuck off and die retard.

    Quality riposte, Fred. Do you know why you bother? I don’t.

  • JimmyGiro

    “Salmond is a very shrewd operator: he knows all this, and he will make the most of the SNP’s presence in ways that are less obvious.

    Acting outside of their ‘manifesto’!?

    Government by the feminists, for the feminists.

  • nevermind

    Fred, you really have embarrassed yourself now and I do not think you would like Baal to get nasty,
    firstly because he does not need to do nasty, secondly because he is one of the more responsive and benign posters here.

    maybe you should go and have a holiday in Engeland. Who knows, with all the repatriation Ms. May is coming out with there might one day be a reciprocal move by the SNP to rid Scotland of the most foul mouthed radicalising people, i.e. sending them home. The essence of this morning May sermon.

  • fred

    “maybe you should go and have a holiday in Engeland.”

    Maybe you should go fuck yourself shit for brains.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Acting outside of their ‘manifesto’!?

    The manifesto is very clearly and primarily anti-austerity. I expect this to be reflected in whatever the SNP is able to do in a Tory-majority parliament.

    Government by the feminists, for the feminists

    What we’ve got (regardless of the SNP’s practical egalitarianism) is government by Old Etonians, for the financiers. Relax, that isn’t going to change.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    3 1/2 hours till low tide at Wick, Fred. And still enough of an ebb for 25Kg. You’ll feel a lot better when you’ve got those.

    Tosser.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Your exquisite repartee has defeated me, Fred. However these remain demonstrable facts, as verifioed by reference to your own stated opinions (other than “retard shit bullyboy nazi retard nazi cunt”:

    1.Fred hates nationalists with a passion, because they are nationalists.
    2.Fred would certainly endorse the Tories’ perpetuation of austerity and dismissal of a fair society rather than join the SNP in opposing them.
    3.Although living in Scotland, Fred wishes to be ruled by doctrinaire Westminster neocons.
    4.As the recent SNP surge (after the SNP explicitly accepted its defeat on independence) shows, most Scots don’t.
    5.Fred has repeatedly called for Scots to accept the result of the independence referendum.

    FACTS.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    (Mods wishing to delete Fred’s pointless and gratuitously offensive posts, please feel free to remove my responses to them as well.)

  • fred

    “1.Fred hates nationalists with a passion,”

    Just fuck off cunt.

    If you can’t debate without making personal remarks about me I don’t debate.

    Got That yet retard? You know nothing about me and you are not qualified to judge me, you are just a nasty little shit.

    So until you have an argument that doesn’t start with the word “Fred” you can just go and fuck yourself.

    Understand?

  • Jon

    Fred, I too should like to see you answer those questions. What harm can they do you?

    Here we have a test of how much your anti-nationalist stance should go. Your commitment to not giving any ground to the SNP could be understood as an anti-racist approach, I suppose, rather like the SWP’s “no platform” policy on the BNP. But that analysis only makes sense if the SNP are indeed like the BNP, and for some years I don’t believe you’ve persuaded a single soul here of that comparison.

    I don’t think you endorse the Red/Blue right wing in policy terms, but in opposing the SNP, outside of the independence question, you might end up doing so. Is Labour a viable Left alternative in Scotland? Labour, the party of the Iraq war, PFI projects for every conceivable public service, the dismantling/privatisation of the NHS and the imposition of HE tuition fees? Labour that might soon end up with another Tony Blair clone as a leader?

    You previously replied to me that the SNP are not left of centre, though you did not explain why you are of that view. Given the Labour alternative in Scotland supports the centre-right of the UK Labour party, and given the small sample of policies I outline above, I am still not sure why you think this. If our shared aim here is to shed light on each of our opinions, perhaps you could supply more detail?

  • Daniel

    “Fred, I too should like to see you answer those questions….”

    Me too.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    1.Fred hates nationalists with a passion

    You don’t hate nationalists, Fred? Have I got it wrong? If so, then that could be interpreted as a personal attack, and I might consider an apology. Otherwise, it stands. Similarly:
    2.Fred would certainly endorse the Tories’ perpetuation of austerity and dismissal of a fair society rather than join the SNP in opposing them.
    3.Although living in Scotland, Fred wishes to be ruled by doctrinaire Westminster neocons.
    4.As the recent SNP surge (after the SNP explicitly accepted its defeat on independence) shows, most Scots don’t.
    5.Fred has repeatedly called for Scots to accept the result of the independence referendum.

    If it’s not true, tell us, Fred. Fred.

    Fred.

  • lysias

    I just finished reading Guantanamo Diary, by Guantanamo inmate Mohamedou Ould Slahi. Slahi recounts how he was tortured until he gave the (false) testimony that his torturers demanded, among other things about 9/11.

    I’ve long thought that the only rational purpose for the U.S.’s torture policy after 9/11 was to get desired false testimony, just the purpose for which Stalin’s NKVD used torture. Now we have testimony to this effect from one of the people who was subjected to the torture.

    Now look at the chapter on the operational details of the 9/11 Commission Report and in particular the endnotes listing the sources. The sources for virtually all the details in that chapter are statements allegedly made by detainees who we know were tortured.

    And that’s just one reason why a new investigation of 9/11 is needed. The report resulting from the previous official investigation is worthless.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Quite right, Lysias, especially since hardly any of those tortured had a real clue about the 9/11 suicide bombings – what Osama had gone to the greatest lengths to prevent fro being leaked, especially the murder by the LIFG of Yale senior Suzanne Jovin who had learned what was being planned from an insider, and was attempting to expose it in her 1999 senior thesis.

    THe so-called US counter terrorists are going to the greatest lengths to keep her murder unsolved.

  • Republicofscotland

    “Note for newcomers: Ba’al Zevul is a nasty little shit who attacks the person because he can’t dispute the facts.”
    ____________________________

    A bit rich coming from a guy who language is disgusting when flamed.

    I’m surprised that you still dwell in Nazi land Fred,I thought you’d have given us nats the finger.

  • Daniel

    And that’s just one reason why a new investigation of 9/11 is needed….”

    As Kempe inferred, I suspect that no amount of investigations will satisfy the conspiracy theorists.

  • lysias

    I suspect that no amount of investigations will satisfy the conspiracy theorists.

    Well, now that we know that the 9/11 Commission’s so-called “investigation” was worthless, there have so far been zero investigations.

  • fred

    “1.Fred hates nationalists with a passion”

    There you go again, starting with the word “Fred”, hasn’t it sunk in yet? No debate if you make it personal, I don’t discus myself, I don’t discus others here, if you don’t like that fuck off.

  • fred

    “You previously replied to me that the SNP are not left of centre, though you did not explain why you are of that view.”

    Yes I did, I told you it was because their policies are right of centre and explained why. From 2007 to 2010 the SNP were in an informal coalition with the Scottish Conservatives, they relied on them to get their budgets passed. The SNP were always right wing, the 79 club wanted to adopt left wing rhetoric to use the unions for civil disobedience but they were always right wing at heart. They were supported by Murdoch and financed by Brian Souter.

  • Republicofscotland

    “As Kempe inferred, I suspect that no amount of investigations will satisfy the conspiracy theorists.”
    ________________________________

    Conspiracy theorist,thats a good one,especially when even the co-chair of the 9/11 Commission,said it was set up to fail.

    9/11 Co-Chair Thomas Kean,told the National Press Club in 2006 on a 9/11 anniversary that the commission was set up to fail right from the start.

    He cited the lack of funding and investigative time,plus extreme political duress
    As major obstacles in their way.

  • Daniel

    So, is it your claim that the WTC was brought down by controlled explosives?

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