Gibraltar: A Tax Haven Not a Nation 885

There are 32,000 Gibraltarians organised into 11,400 households. Extraordinarily there are more registered companies than households, including 8,464 registered offshore companies.

The Government of Gibraltar’s own website is notably candid about its tax haven activities. It urges you to establish there so you can take advantage of:

Highly-developed business services infrastructure where it is possible to passport an EU licence in financial services such as insurance and re-insurance, EU-wide pensions, banking and funds administration, amongst others.
Distribute competitively priced VAT-free goods and services to the markets of the EU and Africa.
Conduct business in a quality low-tax jurisdiction with a profit oriented capital base at low levels of corporate tax, all in a stable currency with few restrictions in moving capital or repatriating dividends.

It is no wonder Gibraltar voted 96% pro-EU. Its entire economy rests upon the use of its anomalous status to undercut the tax regimes of genuine EU members. Remarkably for a population the size of Ramsgate, there are 17 registered banks in Gibraltar, including Credit Suisse, the money laundering giant raided by combined European police forces yet again yesterday, and RBS/Natwest’s tax avoidance entity.

Gibraltar was occupied by England (yes, England) in 1704 when it was sacked by the Hessian Prince George (wry smile Hessian – sacked) and 90% of the Spanish population fled after being subjected to mass rape.

Britnats have been all over twitter this last 24 hours shouting that Gibraltar was given to Britain “in perpetuity” by the Treaty of Utrecht of 1713. Thankfully the world has changed since 1713. The Treaty of Utrecht also gave Brazil to Portugal, much of Italy to the Hapsburgs and gave Britain the monopoly on the shipping of African slaves to South America. Thankfully none of those turned out to be perpetual and the British occupation of Gibraltar is equally immoral and anachronistic. That the Foreign and Commonwealth still quotes the Treaty of Utrecht is evidence of the moral bankruptcy of the British government’s position.

There is a key point here. Empires cannot cloak their continued Imperial possessions under the “right of self-determination” of Imperial client populations. Still less is there a “right of self-determination” for an entire Imperial client population to leech off tax avoidance activities by virtue of their Imperial possession status. The right of self-determination does not apply to the colonists of Gibraltar, who like the Falklanders are an introduced Imperial population – contrary to myth the large majority of Gibraltarians are not descended from the original Spanish population. Gibraltar is plainly listed by the UN as a Non Self Governing Territory. Self-determination is not applicable in international law. UN General Assembly Resolution 2353 specifically asserted that Gibraltar is a colony which impinges on the territorial integrity of Spain and thus on Spanish right to self-determination, and that a referendum of the colonial population could not change that.

Britain’s fervidly jingoistic attempts to hold on to its remaining colonies are pathetic. I have a memory as a very small child of watching Rolf Harris on TV dressed in union jacks singing “Please Don’t Alter Gibraltar” to the tune of Land of Hope and Glory. Google has just reassured me this really happened and was not a nightmare. I now realise from the timing that was a riposte to the UN General Assembly discussions. That it was Rolf Harris gives the perfect pointer to the grossly immoral British position on Gibraltar.

Ironies abound.

Irony 1
It is the Little England Brexiteers who are frothing at the mouth over the EU saying it will take heed of Spain’s position on Gibraltar – despite the fact the Gibraltarians voted 96% in favour of the EU.
They cry, how dare the EU take into account the position of the United Nations and of its member state, Spain, against what will be a non-member state? Who could have seen that coming?

Irony 2

Gibraltarians of course voted in favour of the EU in order to benefit from the opportunity to continue undermining EU tax regimes.

Irony 3

The Daddy of them all. The Britnats who crowed repeatedly at Scots, extolling alleged (and improbable) Spanish desire to veto Scottish EU membership, are shocked, shocked that Spain may veto a Brexit settlement over Gibraltar.

Anyway, to cheer up you Britnats, here is a picture of the massive audience for Theresa May’s recent Glasgow speech. Dressed as Rolf Harris. Altogether now “Please Don’t Alter Gibraltar”.

885 thoughts on “Gibraltar: A Tax Haven Not a Nation

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  • Marie Sanders

    Who did you say you were? Historian? Ambassador? Human Rights Activist?

    Your article on Gibraltar is as flawed and self serving as the writings of the Francoist Spanish journalist Jose Maria Carrascal that it is not worth answering. What a load of Spanish induced propagandistic rubbish!

    • Dr Awesome MD

      Here goes the “Scotnat” spewing his self-righteous hatred against the “Britnats”.

      You’ve seen one “nat”, you’ve seen them all, pontificating about how “noble” their cause is and how “righteous” their cause is, and how their chosen deity has elected them to “fight the good fight”.


  • Jim

    Craig, you describe yourself as a Human Rights Activist, may I ask what brought about the sudden change of heart and was it an €asy conversion?

      • Jim

        Lol, I was rather hoping that the man himself would respond to this nonhuman (me). Seems to me that there are just too many who style themselves as Human Rights Activist who fall at the first hurdl€. Just wondered if Craig was now writing advertorials for the Spanish government or whether he really does think that I and the other thirty odd thousand Gibraltarians are not worthy humans (possibly because we will not renounce our British heritage). I thought that Human Rights Activists stood up for Human Rights and not for corrupt governments…
        If this article is anything to go by I do not think I will be investing in one of his books.

  • arthur keefe

    Its a complete disgrace. Britain must close those tax evasion activities forthwith.

  • Alfonso Posada

    Thanks, Mr. Murray, you are a real gentleman.
    I’ve been to Gibraltar a few times, I admire your country and people, admiration I inherited from my father.
    The population of Gibraltar do not deserve being used as a scapegoat by international criminals, even Spanish ones.
    My gratitude is not related to my Spanish nationality. I feel thoroughly European, the UK is part of our continent and I am sure British people will always be welcome in our country, specially the elders who enjoy our weather in the Med.
    Gibraltar should be more like Benidorm, not like a Tax Haven run by criminals.

    • Martinned

      Gibraltar should be more like Benidorm, not like a Tax Haven run by criminals.

      Sure, but what does that have to do with whether it should be annexed by Spain or not?

  • Rob Doughty

    What is the UN position on the Spanish “enclave” of Cueta on the North African coast? While it’s governance, tax status etc may be different to Gibraltar, it is still a tiny “colony” with a land border to another sovereign State which, I believe, lays claim to it.

    • Manolo I. Segovia

      The Spanish enclaves Ceuta & Melilla were founded centuries ago, Melilla in 1498 and Ceuta in 1580, long before the Kingdom of Morocco (1956). Gibraltar is considered a “non-self governing territory” by the United Nations(UN), which means its status is discussed annually by the Committee on Decolonisation, while, for obvious reasons, Ceuta and Melilla ARE NOT in that list. The distinction is that while Gibraltar is recognised as a colony, and therefore ripe for decolonisation, Ceuta and Melilla form an integral part of Spanish Territory and have the same status as the Autonomous Regions on mainland Spain. Those people who want to make comparisons are uneducated or poisoned or have the wrong idea/impression.

      • Martinned

        for obvious reasons, Ceuta and Melilla ARE NOT in that list

        If they are so obvious, care to share? Because “Ceuta and Melilla form an integral part of Spanish Territory” certainly isn’t it.

        The Spanish enclaves Ceuta & Melilla were founded centuries ago, Melilla in 1498 and Ceuta in 1580, long before the Kingdom of Morocco (1956).

        Likewise for Gibraltar (1704) and the Kingdom of Spain (1979).

  • Alex Birnie

    Admittedly 32000 Gibraltarians is a bigger number than 1700 (British estimate) Chagossians, but the UK could use its depopulation blueprint from there as a starting point?

  • Sharp Ears

    By one of the paper reviewers on the Marr Show this am. Eddie Mair is presenting. He was joined by Mrs Cleggover and Esther McVey!

    april 1 2017, 12:01am, the times
    It’s time to deploy Princess Anne in a Union Jack dress

    The royal family is being drafted in to a European charm offensive. The Queen will do the charm, Prince Philip will do the rest.

    Forget negotiating strategies and non-tariff barriers, apparently the thing that is going to secure Britain a better red, white and blue Brexit deal with the EU is a battalion of royals fanning out across the Continent to point at things and ask, “Have you come far?” in two dozen languages.

    They will be dropped from Spitfires, set sail on the new vellum-hulled Royal Yacht Britannia and ride into Europe’s finest capital cities on Red Rum, with Magna Carta in one hand and the collected works of Shakespeare in the other. Needless to say, a certain type of Brexiteer is beside themselves…

    Picardo has just been on. To follow Fallon M, Miliband E, Hislop I, Lucas and Bartley (Green Party).

  • Sharp Ears

    This is worth reporting here as a response to some of the racism that appears in these comments from time to time.

    A 17 year old Kurdish Iranian boy was standing at a bus stop in Croydon. He has been savagely beaten up by EIGHT people – 4 men and 2 women. The boy was with two friends.

    The police are treating it as a ‘hate crime’ aka a racist attack.

    Croydon asylum boy assault: Attackers are scum, says MP

    • Habbabkuk

      I agree that it is worth reporting, Sharp Ears. Attacks against immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees (or whatever) are to be deplored, as are for that matter attacks against ethnic minorities long-settles in the UK or attacks against individuals on the basis of their religion, including when their religion is Judaism.

      I do not believe there has been anyone on here supporting such attacks but, as always, I stand ready to be corrected by Sharp Ears or anyone else.

      Have a good day, everyone.

      • Alcyone

        “I agree that it is worth reporting, Sharp Ears.”

        I beg to fundamentally disagree with you Habby. Why doesn’t this commenter engage with the alleged “racism (remarks) that appears in these comments from time to time”? Besides, this commenter has persistent form in indulging in J-hate and wild Israeli-connection witch-hunts. None of this helps the health of the blog and I suspect Mrs Ears aka ‘April Showers’ is here merely to sow divisiveness. What other reason could there be to repeat this report on a fine Sunday morning from the BBC, the most common of all, sources?

    • Alcyone

      Btw Mary, have you as yet expressed some form of commiseration for the victims of the indiscriminate Westminster attack?

      • michael norton

        That Alcyone is a very good point, so I’ll repeat it.
        Hello Sharp Ears
        have you yet taken the opportunity to condemn the Westminster carnage?

          • Sharp Ears

            Of the three of you, Alcyone/Villager, you are the most treacherous.
            The other two are just repetitive, obsessive and pathetic.

            When Craig was in Jaipur, you were oiling round him, giving all sorts of advice from on book publishing, to what he was wearing and the size. Now you virtually accuse him of being an alcoholic. ‘hitting the bottle’ was the phrase.



            I have disposed of better slugs than you today in my garden.

          • Alcyone

            1. Actually we are all very creative in the way we live our lives; not withering away like you. Come on learn and start growing again, surely somewhere in your life you did even if it was rather short.

            2. I am a well-wisher of Craig’s and as straight-talking like him.

            3. “I have disposed of better slugs than you today in my garden.”, etc. What are we supposed to say: Wow, what a warrior? How charming?!

  • Clive Lockett

    It is quite ridiculous for Gibrltarians, who come from Spanish stock, to strut along Mine St as though they have a right to undermine EU tax laws, then condemn the Spanish for trying to morally get their land back, then hot-foot it to their weekend holiday homes in Spain !!!??? Ridiculous.

    • Habbabkuk


      No more ridiculous than for the Luxemburgers (under the leadership of a former Finance Minister and Prime Minister who is now President of the European Commission) to offer multinational companies special tax deals to encourage them to establish their (fictitious) tax domicile in Luxemburg, surely?

  • Habbabkuk

    “Without the Russian guarantee to Serbia, or, for that matter, without the German guarantee to Austria, World War One would not have happened.” (from a retired US officer, page 2)

    Well, proper historians have put forward many and various explanations of what caused WW1 and the one given above is of cause one of them. Usually combined with some other suggested factors but there’s nothing wrong with keeping it simple for the readers, I suppose.

    Of course, Czechoslovakia did not have Western guarantees and fell to the Germans while Poland did have guarantees and also fell to the Germans.

    1982 was not the first time the Argies (under military dictatorship) menaced the Falklands but on previous occasions the dispatch of a nuclear submarine was enough to put them off whereas the withdrawal of HMS Endeavour in 1982 gave the wrong signal.

    What is important, it appears, is the credibility of the guarantee and this is turn depends somewhat on who is doing the guaranteeing.

  • Martin Pullen

    Your “informed” blog shows your complete and utter ignorance of the situation on the ground. I lived in Gibraltar for 8 years and can assure you that the only reason Gibraltarians voted to stay within the EU was to get some form of protection from its bullying neighbour Spain, allegedly an EU partner.. your instigation that until 1704 Gibraltar was inhabited by innocent Spaniards strangely doe not mention that Spain only had Gibraltar for fewer years than its been part of the UK, it was conquered by Spain from the Moors and you do not mention the mass rape of the wives and followers of British servicemen taken captive by the Spaniards during the Seige of Gibraltar. I also note that you fail to mention Spains’ numerous enclaves in Morrocco, which like Gibraltar, were ceded to Spain centuries ago and seem to be forgotten by the neo- fascist government of Rajoy… before you mask your utter drivel as professional journalism, you should consider the argument for both sides, rather than your self opinionated trash…

    • fred

      If Spain said they would definitely veto an independent Scotland joining the EU that would put an end to any hopes for another referendum right away. All the Nationalists need is Spain not to say that and if it means shafting the people of Gibraltar and the people of Catalonia that is what they will do.

      • Alasdair Macdonald

        Spain has said today, quite unequivocally, that it would not veto or block Scotland’s entry to the EU.

    • nevermind

      Surely you meant to say that consecutive UK Governments failed to take care of the people, failed to represent their faithful constituents who were getting more out of the EU then from those who favoured Gibraltar as their financial offshore haven, rather than taking actions against the ‘ bullying’.
      Only a simpleton can believe that the status of Gibraltar can stay unchanged during this Brexit debate and winding up Spain, another past and dying empire, is not going to get us any favours during the negotiations.

  • Alcyone

    This, from yesterday, is worth a laugh:

    “The Ministry announced on its official Facebook page this morning:

    The Ministry of foreign affairs of Russia, has developed a pilot for a taped answering machine for Russian diplomatic missions abroad.

    Sounds harmless enough. Until you remember what day it is.
    This “answering machine” is pure, Siberian gold (skip to 0:30 for English):

    “You have reached the Russian Embassy. Your call is very important to us. To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponents, press 1. To use the services of Russian hackers, press 2. To request election interference, press 3 and wait until the next election campaign. Please note that all calls are recorded for quality improvement and training purposes.”

    • Alcyone

      ““Passports are regularly updated to avoid forgery and post-Brexit it has to be changed anyway to have the words European Union removed. Given that there’s going to be a re-design anyway, it won’t cost the Treasury an extra penny to change the colour back to the traditional dark navy blue.”

      Have you got a passport? Obviously EU passports will eventually have to be replaced. The cost will be recovered from the millions of new passports that will be issued consequently. Now dream on about your Scottish passport. You have real fear to spread that this (non) issue. (Pun intended.)

      • Patrick Roden

        Yes I agree, it wont cost the treasury a penny to have the words European Union removed, because they will charge us for the ‘privilege’
        Haven’t you noticed that this is the way the UK works now?

        THEY make decisions…WE pay the price!

        BTW The colour of your passport matters, because it lets staff at airports etc see what area you come from and whether or not you have a free right of entry into their country.

        The days of popping on a cheap flight and having a few days away are now gone forever.

        UNLESS we get a Scottish Passport, because with all those high paying jobs that will ‘relocate’ from Isolated England to European Scotland. we will all need lots of things to do and to spend all our wages on.

        Never mind…someone might eventually break ranks and import some of that lovely English jam, that you feel the rest of us can’t live without…I’m sure!

  • Clydebuilt

    May’s government will trade access to Scottish Fishing areas to Spain to resolve the Gibraltar problem. I wonder what’s going through the minds of the Unionist Skippers in Peterhead. Or their Ultra Brit Nat leader, Bertie Armstrong. The members of his Scottish Fishermen Federation are his pawns to be used to keep Scotland tied to Westminister, at any cost.

    • Habbabkuk

      That is idle speculation of an alarmist nature.

      But you are of course entitled to say whatever you want on here. No need to prove your assertions or even attempt to back them up with a little reasoning. And certainly no need to preface them with an expression like “I believe..” or “I think..” or even the transatlantic favourite “I wonder if…”.

      What is clear, however, is that if an independent Scotland remains in the EU, its fisheries will be controlled from Brussels. I doubt that Scotland will get a “better deal” in that area than did the entire UK.

      • Clydebuilt

        Thanks Hab. I’m honoured that you’ve taken the time to respond to my post. Always thought that you’re one of the site’s clearest thinkers. Apart when it comes to all things Scottish.

        Regarding Scotlands Fisheries. They were treated as “expendable” by the Heath Government. They are not expendable to Scotland. And to keep you happy, this last sentence is of course my opinion.

        • reel guid

          Bertie Armstrong said during the indyref1 campaign that the Scottish fishing industry would be worse off with independence since we would only have 7 votes in the EU Council of Ministers as opposed to 29 votes as part of the UK.

          Ignoring the fact that Scotland would have a good deal more clout than just seven Council votes. A turn at the EU Presidency, a Scottish EU Commissioner etc.

          But now of course I hardly need say that it’s 7 votes with an independent Scotland as opposed to 0 votes with the UK.

          • reel guid

            And not that those 29 UK votes were always used in the Scottish fishing industry’s interest.

          • Martinned

            Not to mention Nigel Farage, proud member of the European Parliament’s fisheries committee. I don’t think I need to dig out his attendance record. (Or his salary.)

          • Habbabkuk

            A turn at the EU Presidency every 14 years and not necessarily a Scottish EU Commissioner (read the Lisbon Treaty on the future size and composition of the Commission).

        • Habbabkuk


          Expendable is a little harsh but whatever the right word is, it would apply to the entirety of UK fisheries.

          If you are interested in how the EC cobbled up and rushed through the first Common Fisheries Policy in time for British accession with the aim of screwing the UK, check out the definitive “Britain’s entry into the European Community: Report on the negotiations of 1970-1972” by Sir Con O’Neill, edited and with a foreword by Sir David Hannay (Whitehall History Publishing in association with Frank Cass, London, 2000). The relevant chapters are numbers 25 to 27.

      • Patrick Roden

        And where is our fisheries controlled from right now..Oh wise one…Scotland?

        If not..why not?

  • Republicofscotland

    This may have gone unnoticed, due to the Brexit frenzy of the last few days, however it is in my opinion, more important, to those who live in England and possibly Wales.

    The NHS in England has scrapped its 18 weeks waiting time, to see a consultant or undergo surgery. The removal of the guarantee, will be a hammer blow to good people of England.

    So if you’re waiting for a hip or knee replacement, cataract removal, hernia repair or other non-urgent operation, you’ll need to wait much longer.

    • Habbabkuk

      Thank you for bringing that to the attention of those readers of this blog who might not – unlike your good self – have read about it for themselves elsewhere.

      I do very much agree with your implicit condemnation of those who have been stoking up the anti-Brexit frenzy of the last few days. Why, I believe that this very blog may have offered sanctuary to a couple of them!

      Have a nice Sunday now, get some fresh air to blow away the cobwebs.

    • nevermind

      I would advise anyone waiting too long to access reciprocal services in Europe, a friend with an acute Hernia, he had to keep his hand on his tummy, that bad, paid for an open return to Germany, had a meal in the pub and…..collapsed in a well rehearsed heap, within 48 hours he was sorted and within a week he was in blighty.

      Please use this service as long as it is available, because it is not looking as if this Government is seriously concerned about anything else but the City of Londons concerns.

  • Alcyone

    Something positive instead of all the dour rubbish that some regular moaners will persistently shove into your face:

    Bob Dylan on Muhammad Ali:

    “If the measure of greatness is to gladden the heart of every human being on the face of the earth, then he truly was the greatest. In every way he was the bravest, the kindest and the most excellent of men.”

    • michael norton

      At least 15 adults and three children between the ages of two and 14 were injured when a bonfire exploded at a carnival in Villepinte, north-east of PARIS.
      The incident happened at 5.30pm local time, just before a traditional parade for children. The town’s mayor was treated for leg injuries caused by projectiles from the explosion. 130 firemen were quickly on hand to help the injured, their spokesperson explained:“These are mainly injuries to the face and lower limbs related to the projection of materials as well as some tinnitus.”

      France sounds like it is full of lunatics

  • michael norton

    The United Kingdom’s airports and nuclear power stations have been placed on ALERT due to growing fears ISIS hackers may have found a way to bypass electronic security systems.
    Security services issued a series of alerts in the last 24 hours and have warned airports they must tighten defences as intelligence suggests terrorists are now able to commit cyber warfare.

    ISIS may have developed ways to disguise explosives in mobile phones and laptops which can evade airport security screening methods.

    I was cycling around AWE Burghfield, a couple of days ago, the place was swarming with armed police.

  • Habbabkuk

    I find it difficult – unlike another commenter – to get very excited about the idea that the UK might introduce a different passport after leaving the UK. It seems like one of those things people don’t need to waste their time getting excited about, unless getting excited all the time is an integral part of their personality.

    However : given the possible existence in the future of a fairly porous land border (or even borders) between the future EU and the UK, would UK exit not be the time to reconsider introducing ID cards? Together with the Continental system of having people register where they live as a matter of course (ie not just, as at present, in connection with electoral registration). The first issue of such ID cards could be free (or for a very modest fee – say, the price of a packet of cigarettes or a pint or two) in order to facilitate their introduction?

    I have never heard a convincing reason in the UK as to why ID cards would be a bad thing and on the Continent there is no one who protests against them, they are accepted as a necessary (and harmless) part of life.

    • michael norton

      I was one of the few, who was looking forward to the New Labour Identity Cards, I was (just) prepared to pay for it.
      Not, then holding a passport, proving who I was to banks and others was causing me hassle.
      I recently obtained a passport, what a lot of trouble that was, however, it is, of course an E.U. one.
      I do not want to be in the E.U.
      I still have my grandad’s from before the First World War,
      now that was a proper British Passport.

    • D_Majestic

      Simple answer-ID cards are not necessary. Only insofar as they make the job of the security services easier. As if they haven’t got all they need and more at present.

      • Habbabkuk


        That’s an interesting take. How and in which way would ID cards “make the job of the security services easier”?

        Write as much as you like, I’m looking forward to being instructed by you.

      • Habbabkuk


        In fact, I sense a contradiction in your post.

        On the one habd, you say ID cards would make the job of the security services easier.

        And you then say, in the next sentence, that the security services already have all they need and more.

        Did you have a good lunch?

        • D_Majestic

          A late lunch. By the reason that I was playing the piano, being challenged and entertained by Moszkowski’s Studies. (Op.72).

          • glenn_uk

            Op. 72, eh?

            Did you know that seventy-two is the sum of four consecutive primes (13 + 17 + 19 + 23), as well as the sum of six consecutive primes (5 + 7 + 11 + 13 + 17 + 19), and that the product of 8 and 9, 72 is a pronic number?

            In addition, the sum of Euler’s totient function φ(x) over the first fifteen integers is 72. There are 17 solutions to the equation φ(x) = 72, more than any integer below 72, making it a highly totient number.

            Needless to say, a highly totient number is an integer, call it k, that has more solutions to the equation φ(x) = k, where φ is Euler’s totient function, than any integer below it. The first few highly totient numbers are 1, 2, 4, 8, 12, 24, 48, 72, 144, 240, 432, 480, 576, 720, 1152, 1440 (sequence A097942 in the OEIS), with 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 17, 21, 31, 34, 37, 38, 49, 54, and 72 totient solutions respectively. The sequence of highly totient numbers is a subset of the sequence of smallest number k with exactly n solutions to φ(x) = k.[1]

            I’m sure one of our regular correspondents will expand on this further, if requested.

          • Alcyone

            Glenn, wtf you doing working nights? Love that word Totient–might adopt that name here or maybe Fibonacci!

          • glenn_uk

            Habbabkuk: That was precisely the point… perhaps I’m too subtle sometimes 😉

          • glenn_uk

            A: “Love that word Totient–might adopt that name here or maybe Fibonacci!

            Just as a by-the-way, did you know that you can use the Fibonacci sequence to fairly accurately get a MPH/KPH conversion?

            Here… the Fibonacci sequence will run something like this:

            0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 …

            The KPH figure can be taken as the MPH figure just preceding it in the sequence. Thus 34 mph is about 55 kph, and 89kph is about 55 mph and so on. Any adjacent pair of numbers, numbers which sit side by side, approximate Miles/Kilometers.

            Not precise, but certainly good enough to gauge your speed while driving on the continent – particularly useful if you have an American car which doesn’t have a corresponding kph readout on the speedo.

  • Republicofscotland

    The outrageous and ludicrous myth that Spain would block a independent Scotland’s route into Europe, can now be put to bed forever.

    However the same cannot be said over Brexit, where Spain is making noises on vetoing British progress to egress Europe, and we haven’t even begun to negotiate yet.

    I wonder if the savvy bookmakers, will take bets on how many veto’s Britain will face, any takers? ?

    • Republicofscotland

      Re my above comment, I wonder if Spain, or any of the other 26 nations have listened to the Danish rock band aptly named Veto, and their EP, “I Will Not Listen.” ?

      Just a thought.

    • reel guid


      The unionist dream of a Spanish indy veto has been shown to have been paella in the sky.

      • Republicofscotland

        Nice one reel guid.

        Yes the din should dry up now, the unionists, can no longer “cast-a-net” over that one . ?

  • reel guid

    The Scottish Government have announced funding for 19 different projects to help veterans.

    The Scottish Parliament doesn’t start wars but looks after the veterans.

    Westminster starts wars and doesn’t properly look after the veterans of those wars.

  • michael norton

    Prescription drugs stolen from ambulance at Monklands Hospital
    Ministry of Truth

    some people don’t deserve independence.

    • michael norton

      Police Scotland have warned the public of the “potentially serious or fatal” consequences of taking the drugs if they are offered them.

      The stolen items included vials of adrenaline, glyceryl trinitrate sprays and hydrocortisone sodium phosphate.

      The police are going to be giving the thieves a right good going over, if they catch them.

  • Habbabkuk

    I wonder what the emblem on an independent (and not in the EU) Scotland passport might be.

    Constructive suggestions, anyone?

  • Sharp Ears

    Troughers cont’d.
    House of Lords

    Revealed: rich peers paid for doing nothing
    Lords get up to £40,000 for little or no work

    Robin Henry, Stefano Ceccon and Tony Grew
    April 2 2017 Sunday Times

    Lord Paul: £40,800 in allowances

    Multimillionaire peers are claiming up to £40,000 a year in expenses for attending the House of Lords while making little or no contributions to debates, committees or questions, an investigation by The Sunday Times has found.

    It is a new blow to the reputation of the upper house, which has expanded to more than 800 members while plagued by allegations of cronyism and patronage.

    Critics — including peers — attacked the “broken” allowance system this weekend for rewarding members of the Lords simply for attending the house and called for an overhaul of the chamber.

    The rules allow members to claim up to £300 a day for “attendance”, the only requirement being they show their faces in the chamber or a committee at some point…


    Lord Paul is 38th on the S Times rich list.
    See Controversy and Personal Life,_Baron_Paul

    Some of them even have convictions!

    Just some of their multiple interests. Lord Paul is here.

    • Habbabkuk

      “Multimillionaire peers are claiming up to £40,000 a year in expenses for attending the House of Lords while making little or no contributions to debates, committees or questions, an investigation by The Sunday Times has found.”

      Deplorable indeed. By the way, would that be the same Sunday Times as the one owned by Mr Rupert Murdoch who has – together with his newspapers – come under considerable and regular criticism on this blog from various commenters including someone called Sharp Ears?

      • glenn_uk

        It would be the very same one indeed – but does that mean the message isn’t true, or has no relevance?

        • Alcyone

          The question is, what is Mrs Ears doing about it? Is there a right action (she is proposing/taking)? Or is it just pure envy followed by yet another moan? Beware the traps of trolls. She’s just looking to be fed her Sunday lunch.

          PS Have you seen her foul language upstream where she is asked whether she has expressed any commiseration with the victims of the Westminster attack?

        • Habbabkuk

          It doesn’t.

          Curious though how the hated Sunday Times is used so selectively. As selectively as the deaths of Palestinian children when the deaths of a thousand times as many (for example) Congolese children never get a mention on here. Etc.

  • Habbabkuk

    It is of course entirely possible that an independent Scotland might introduce the hated ID cards before a Westminster government does. The creation in Scotland of a country-wide, centrally-controlled police force might be indicative in that respect.

    • reel guid

      The creation of one police service out of the previous eight was a financial measure to make savings on admin etc. Eight different police forces for a small nation of 5.4 million was a bit extravagant.

        • Alasdair Macdonald

          Because, uniquely amongst U.K. police forces, Police Scotland has to pay VAT.

          • michael norton

            so Police Scotland are only in debt to the tune of two hundred million pounds
            because they pay VAT.

            So are you saying they have paid two hundred million pounds in VAT?

            Thank you in advance

      • Habbabkuk

        A national police force has always been resisted in England and Wales for reasons of freedom and local accountability. It is also interesting to note that the police were deliberately de-centralised in Germany after the war (for reasons which are probably obvious even for the normal run of CM commenter). No one should make the mistake of thinking that only large countries can be authoritarian countries (to take an example from nearby, cf Eire in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s…)

        • reel guid

          The Metropolitan Police serves a population of around 8.5 million minus the small City of London Police service.

          • Habbabkuk

            Yes and it is one police force among many in the UK. Unlike Police Scotland, which I believe is a national police force. That was my point, surely?

          • reel guid


            Norway with a population about the same as Scotland has a unified police service.

        • bevin

          The Police forces in Germany were de-centralised under Weimar too. And the result was the creation of a series of effectively Nazi police formations paid by the various Lands. Goering, for example, as Minister President of Prussia was able to facilitate the NAZI seizure of power and to organise the Reichstag Fire.
          In other words, de-centralisation can work in the wrong way. In the Weimar it did.

          • Habbabkuk

            Certainly, Bevs.

            One must then assume that no one on this blog would object if there were to be a single, national police force for England and Wales. No cries of “fascism”, “police state” and so on, I trust. 🙂

      • fred

        It saves a lot of money if you just leave dead and dying people sat in their cars at the side of the A9.

  • Habbabkuk

    The introduction of double summer time (or indeed the retention of British summer time throughout the year), although extremely useful and justified for England an Wales, has always fallen foul of Scotch objections**; a good example, perhaps, of the tail wagging the dog.

    Of course, with an independent Scotland, England and Wales and Northern Ireland would be able to go ahead and the Scotch would not need to follow.


    ***** except during WW2

    • michael norton

      I wonder if it gets up to a quarter of a million, will the S. N. P. pay it any notice?

  • mochyn69

    Well said as always, Craig.

    And thanks for the pic of the massive audience for the Mayhem’s Glasgow speech. I was beginnning to wonder about that, especially after seeing the pic of the jubilant crowd at the office of the Department for International Development (DfID) in East Kilbride!

    Mayhem’s idea of meet the people nothing more than a set up propaganda piece packed with mere placemen.

    They say Comment is Free, but the articles which are open to comments on the Grauniad website are disappearing like snowflakes in June at the moment.

    The response to Brexshit is really rattling some cages.

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