On the Pavement with Wikileaks 363


Entirely unexpectedly, I have been down in London this last three days outside and around the Ecuadorean Embassy, following WikiLeaks’ announcement that their sources indicate Julian might be expelled within hours or days. Plainly Julian’s position within the Embassy has deteriorated fundamentally, to the extent he is now treated openly as a closely guarded prisoner. I still have not myself been granted permission to visit him and he is now very isolated.

Nothing has happened so far this weekend, though I stated from the start that if the police were going to move in. the most likely time would be 4am on Monday morning. There is a thought that the massive media presence occasioned by Wikileaks’ announcement may have succeeded in deterring President Moreno from the expulsion. Let us hope that will prove the case.

I am very exhausted, having been more or less on 24 hour watch for three days. It was also somewhat difficult to tell Nadira her birthday celebration had shifted without notice from a restaurant in Edinburgh to a wet pavement in London. But I was very pleased to have a very fruitful in depth conversation with Kristin Hrafnsson, editor in chief of Wikileaks. Our thoughts ran along these lines, and as this does not involve secrets but rather media handling, I see no harm in sharing these thoughts with you.

When Julian does leave the Embassy, whatever the circumstances in which he does that, it will be for a day or two the largest media story in the world and undoubtedly will lead all the news bulletins across every major country. The odds are that he will be leaving and facing a fight against extradition to the United States, on charges arising from the Chelsea Manning releases which revealed a huge amount about US war crimes and other illegal acts.

It will be very important to try to focus a hostile media on why it is Julian is actually wanted for extradition. Not for the non-existent collusion with Russia to assist Trump, which is an entirely fake narrative. Not for meetings with Manafort which never happened. Not for the allegations in Sweden which fell apart immediately they were subject to rational scrutiny. And not for any nonsense about whether he hacked the communications in the Embassy or cleaned up the cat litter.

This is not going to be an easy task because pretty well all of the Western media is going to want to focus on these false anti-Assange narratives, and they will be determined to give as little attention as possible to the fact he is a publisher facing trial for publishing leaked state documents which revealed state wrongdoing. It is a classic and fundamental issue of freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Drawing together a team that can get this message across in such MSM windows as are afforded, as well as through social media, is an important task. The team needs to be in readiness and to be backed by a suitable support infrastructure that can be dusted off and sprung into action. The public framing of Julian’s position will undoubtedly impact on the final outcome; that is why the MSM have put in such a consistent effort to demonise one of the most interesting figures and original thinkers of our time.

If the balloon really had gone up this weekend, we would have been woefully unprepared to deal with the task of explaining the true story. If nothing else, this weekend’s alarm has been very helpful in concentrating minds on the size of the task.


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363 thoughts on “On the Pavement with Wikileaks

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  • BrianFujisan

    Good on you all Craig.. I had a feeling you would be there

    you mentioned Cassandra Fairbanks in your last post..Here she is again –

    “It’s all about setting the ground in order to violate the asylum, to hand me over to the United States. It’s come off the back of our March 2017 publication, the largest-ever in the history of the CIA, that resulted in many threats against WikiLeaks and, as of June this year, my alleged source Joshua Schulte, a CIA intelligence officer, was seized, put into prison, and they are trying to sentence him to 135 years,” Assange told the court.

    “We know that Senators have written to [US Vice President] Mike Pence, telling him to tell President Moreno to hand me over.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/exclusive-leaked-assange-court-transcript-sheds-light-on-us-backed-ecuadorian-expulsion-plans/

    Stay safe.

  • Rose

    Yes you’re right Craig. Now is the time to come out and declare which side to be on: that of truth justice and the rule of law or that of the hedgers, trimmers, obfuscators and jobworths’. Niemoller had it bang on. This is where the rubber hits the road.

  • Sal Newton

    In the midst of all the brexit chaos going on around you I hope you are all being doubly alert to your own safety and well being as well as watching over Julians.
    As always, thanks for keeping us informed about real facts regarding the situation, to counteract the usual MSM lies.

  • Grhm

    I’m not a fan of social media, but if Craig were to write a brief attention-grabbing summary of the facts that need propagating, in his inimitable punchy style, when the balloon goes up I for one will commit to mailing it to every single e-mail address I have, which amounts to several thousand.
    I would also be prepared to put up old-fashioned bill posters and to hand out flyers in the street… so perhaps someone with a gift for eye-catching design could work with Craig to produce a suitable pdf.

    • Jack

      I understand your view but at the same time, we need to work together, dig into Assange case yourself and try to persuade people about his cause. I dont mean to be negative but we cant sit and wait for other people to do the obvious.

      • Grhm

        Fair enough.
        I’ll produce my own summary and flyer/poster then, and perhaps then post a link here for people to suggest imorovements

  • Isa

    Count me in Craig . If you could put up a summary that I can mail to relevant people and my networks of contacts I am ready to “ pounce “. I actually think this text is perfect just one more paragraph adding as to why the USA wants to have him deported will be helpful so that people understand . I’ll send an email with my contacts if that’s ok . Thank you for all you do .

  • james

    thanks.. assange will be portrayed by the MSM as some sleazeball who didn’t have the guts to face the sex charges in sweden.. that is essentially the line of bs that will be sold 24/7.. meanwhile the truth of assange publishing the war crimes of the usa will not be mentioned… but, that is the reason he is held captive by the uk-usa tag team… partners in crime, but watch how many folks get sucked into believing the first part and not having a clue on the 2nd part… i see the (sleazeball) site emptywheel taking the same tack, and these are folks who think they are smart.. kid you not..

  • Stonky

    I suspect that the chatter about JA being expelled may just be a ploy to flush out his supporters and see what they plan to do about it, with a view to neutralising their efforts at a later date.

  • Antonym

    The dirt published on Assange has gone stale and so has that on Trump. Could the latter finally have the umpf to assist the Wikileaks club he praised so often during his campaign?
    Both have the same enemies: the Western MSM, social media & the Anglo self-security apparatus.
    Can these organs of the Beast afford another round of self inflicted wounds in the Public Eye so quickly? Also are more of their members going cold turkey on money addiction (Qatari, Soros, Saudi etc) like Snowden?

  • SA

    Put into the this context, the fake Guardian/ Harding story about Manafort visiting Assange and the Guardian’s stonewalling discussion on this and thier unwillingness to deny to acknowledge it as fake was another deliberate smear that is useful in creating this background of demonisation. This single act by the Guardian condemns it as an unreliable source but of course there is also much more in the contents of what has now become this loathespne publication to confirm this.

    • Adrian Parsons

      That sounds like a cue for some quotes:

      The ‘fragrant’ Suzanne Moore (Twitter 19/6/12): “Seems like Assange’s supporters did not expect him to skip bail? Really? Who has this guy not let down?” “I bet Assange is stuffing himself full of flattened guinea pigs. He really is the most massive turd.”

      The ‘reliable’ Luke Harding (Twitter 19/6/12): “Assange’s plight seems reminiscent of the scene in Monty Python where the knights think to storm the castle using a giant badger.”

      (Ex)-technology editor and Apple fanboi extraordinaire Charles Arthur (Twitter 21/6/12): “It is absolutely not true that Julian Assange got twitter to fall over so that he could sneak out of the Ecuadorean embassy for a latte.”

      David ‘Integrity Initiative’ Aaronovitch (ex-Guardian) (Twitter 21/6/12): “When the embassy stunt fails expect Assange, slung over the shoulders of muscular friends, to be swung into St. Paul’s shouting ‘thanctuary!’.” (Twitter 20/6/12): “Don’t you think that many Assange supporters are misogynistic?”

      Charles Beckett (Guardian contributor and director of Polis at the LSE (Twitter 19/6/12): “Fly Me To Cuba (Or Ecaudaor) [sic] Julian Assange hijacks Wikileaks.”

      Stuart Millar (deputy editor Guardian US) (Twitter 19/6/12): “I like to think that Assange chose the Ecuadorean embassy because it’s so convenient for Harrods.”

      Tim Dowling (a Guardian contributor so lightweight that he has to be tethered to the ground) (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jun/21/julian-assange-escape-routes-ecuador-embassy): “Ascend to embassy roof. Fire cable-loaded crossbow (all embassies have these; ask at reception) across the street to Harrod’s roof. Secure and tighten the cable, then slide across, flying-fox style, using your belt as a handle. Make your way to the Harrod’s helipad…”

      Deborah Orr (Twitter 19/6/12): “I think we can safely say that Julian Assange’s bid to run the world has faltered. A bit.” (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jun/23/assange-ecuador-sweden-deborah-orr) “It’s hard to believe that, until fairly recently, Julian Assange was hailed not just as a radical thinker, but as a radical achiever, too.”

      (With thanks to David Edwards & David Cromwell in Propaganda Blitz: How the Corporate Media Distort Reality (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Propaganda-Blitz-Corporate-Distort-Reality/dp/0745338119)).

      Roll on Wikileaks’ and the Covington High School students’ libel actions against these mofos.

  • SA

    What is even stranger and what confirms now that the MSM is now collectively a recruited arm of the ruling class is that the explosive exposure of government wrongdoing made available by Wikileaks have been ignored in favour of going after the messenger and ignoring the message

  • David

    I personally feel that it will be difficult to counter the high bandwidth anti-Assange media attack, should he be expelled.

    There remain individuals, and countries, who remain sympathetic…

    https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/geneve/10200346-la-ville-de-geneve-veut-que-la-suisse-propose-l-asile-a-julian-assange.html

    (from Switzerland, a Geneva politician is trying to persuade Berne to offer a formal asylum)
    Accurately, UK journalist Rachel O’Donoghue
    (twitter @reodonoghue) wrote further “People’s Party politician Eric Bertinat proposed a measure to offer the Wikileaks founder asylum – something that was backed by the majority of the chamber.

    Assange, 47, first took refuge in his embassy hide-out in 2012 amid fears he would be extradited to the United Staes on espionage charges

  • Stonky

    Clive, have JA’s lawyers ever looked into the possibility of claiming political asylum in the UK?

    Moazzam Begg was able to travel here from the USA and claim political asylum. Even though his claim was rejected, he was allowed to stay here and that is how he became a “British resident”, and thereafter somehow our responsibility after he was taken prisoner in Afghanistan.

    Surely JA could put together some kind of a claim. It might be worth a try in that it might succeed in muddying the waters and confusing the opposition for a while while some other better solution is sought.

      • Stonky

        Correct Clark. The case I was thinking of was Binyam Mohamed. He is an Ethiopian who fled to the USA in 1992. Two years later he flew to the UK and applied for asylum.* It wasn’t granted but he was given leave to remain.

        * Just for clarity this is Binyam’s version of events (excuse me if I remain a little sceptical): “I was being subjected to racist bullying at school in the USA so my Dad took me out of school, brought me to the UK, and then abandoned me after a week and went back to the USA…”

        I still think it would be worth a try for JA. It would still leave him subject to the whims of what is essentially an establishment-driven legal system, but any lawyer worth his/her salt ought to be able to tie things in knots for a significant period of time.

      • Stonky

        Who is Clive? Get some temazepam, you’re malfunctioning.

        Jeez how long have you been stalking me in hopes of taking your “Gotcha!’ revenge, you saddo?

        And laughably, you missed by a mile. Clive ≠ Craig: Meh… Moazzam Begg ≠ Binyam Mohamed: Big fail!

        • mouwophouders

          Who is Clive? I did indeed “miss by a mile”; I still have little idea what you are rambling on about, and even less why you bother.
          I would also suggest again you get some rest. No revenge from my side. You just burble on a bit too much. You’re not alone, and it often becomes some kind of saddoes’ convention around your contributions, I observe.

  • Laurens

    I’d be happy to chip in. I am somewhat active on social media, and I run a very obscure blog. It won’t conquer the world, but occasionally I can get some attention from people with a bigger reach.

    Keep up the good work, and be good for yourself.

  • Sharp Ears

    What was this about?

    VIDEO: Two armed police enter the Ecuadorian embassy in London today
    Ruptly
    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1114951724769456128

    The outside scene remains the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXSefWYsyE

    PS I feel shame that there are people in the same country in which I live capable of making disgusting and cruel comments which appear on Twitter feeds. My father and others of his generation fought for freedom and decency.

    Ruptly still have their live feed going –

  • Casual Observer

    Odd this whole thing ? Politically it fits no states pistol for the Assange business to blow up at this point ? One would have to conclude that his present difficulties are indeed being pushed along by Ecuadorian G, no doubt assisted by those in the USA who would like to see President Trump being placed on a tricky spot. Its likely that the immediate danger of his ejection has passed now that its become common knowledge, thereby losing its Ability to embarrass by surprise ?

    Its difficult to see how Mr Assanges plight can be ended without raising the ire of the considerable numbers who see him as a force for the good, or the much smaller group who want to get even with him for revealing some of their shitty antics.

    No doubt the Ecuadorians would be happy to be rid of him, but his emergence would require either the UK or US to be seen to do something, or risk losing face. Pity the solution of his being whisked off to Mother Russia in a laundry basket is not really in play at this time 🙁

    • Clark

      I think Wikileaks’ own analysis is probably right:

      Former president of Ecuador says that current President Moreno is “desperate” and is attacking Assange’s asylum to divert attention from the INA Papers offshore funds scandal.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1114567095122051077

      While earlier WikiLeaks and New York Times reporting indicates that the US government influenced Ecuador over Assange using loans, the Times also reported the US successfully bullied Ecuador’s current government over breast feeding using trade [measures and] military [aid].

      https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1114695742554234880

      • Casual Observer

        Many of the most loyal of Trumps base, hold Assange in high regard after the wikileaks revelations concerning the DNC and their rigging against Crazy Bernie. So I’d imagine that its unlikely that the US are pressuring the Equadorians to eject Mr Assange. And it would be extraordinarily ‘Courageous’ of any US.Gov employees to be working on the topic against the wishes of the executive, given that with the failure of the Russian Collusion effort, the blowtorch is almost certainly going to be reversed and pointed at those who were attempting what amounted to a coup. So yes, working on the basis of cui bono, it does seem as though the present crisis may well be driven by the anger of Moreno.

        Its a great pity that both those who want to punish Assange, and those who support him, are essentially condemning the man to continuing confinement. It could even be said that were he to be legally imprisoned, he would enjoy a higher standard of life than that which he now seems to have.

  • Charles Bostock

    This is a very valuable post from Craig in that, by stressing the need for “drawing together a team” and a “suitable support infrastructure” to underpin that tea, it indirectly challenges more active readers to get off their butts and to volunteer their services for these two ends. Will at least some readers – perhaps those who have been the most vocal in their support for Julian and their denunciation of the British state – heed Craig’s call, get in touch with him and actually make the move to a more focussed and practical form of help and support? Those who are willing should not hesitate to announce their willingness on here and thereby, perhaps, serve as an inspiration for others among Craig’s 8000 plus readers who might be hesitating.

    • Sharp Ears

      If I was able to travel without the use of nebulizer, I would be in Knightsbridge. You have used that smear before.

      Do dry up and stop changing your IP address/Identicon.

      • freddy

        SE, if I understand correctly, identicons are solely dependent on what’s put into the email field. The mods will know if the IP address varies, but all it takes, is to change your email address for any (or every) given post. This could mean multiple clients, but your username and email are pre-filled due to a cookie stored by your browser.

        The most likely explanation is cookie clearing after every post, or setting the browser to not accept cookies at all. This entails re-entering the username and email fields on every post. As you can put pretty much anything into the email field, there is no impediment to that.

        I’m not going to draw any conclusions, but I will note that security services use cookies to track users:

        https://thehackernews.com/2013/10/nsa-using-browser-cookies-to-track-tor.html

        (Mods, hope that’s ok, if not no problem!)

  • John2o2o

    I think it is worth bearing in mind that most of the public, even relatively intelligent members of the public, do not pay a great deal of attention to the news. It seems to me then that it is vital to state Julian’s cause in very clear and simple terms.

    For example, on listening to discussion about Julian over the weekend it was made clear (I forget by whom) that Julian is not a hacker.

    Many people believe that he is.

    The site is called Wiki LEAKS for a reason. It is not called “wikihacks”. Julian (correct me if I am wrong) is given sensitive information by individuals close to government and important political organisations and he then publishes that information. JULIAN (as you say above) is a PUBLISHER.

    The hostile MSM likes to confuse the public over this by suggestions of hacking, an illegal activity. This may be subtly done sometimes, but it is clearly effective as I think most “innocent” members of the public are confused and unclear about what Julian and wikileaks actually do. This confusion and lack of clarity plays into the hands of Julian’s enemies.

    • Clark

      The hostile MSM, part of the copyright industry, likes to confuse the public over the meaning of the word ‘hacking’ itself. The original hackers wrote the Internet protocols. Originally, hacking meant writing and modifying software. Hacking is certainly the skill required to break computer security, but it’s like pretending that ‘locksmith’ means the same as ‘burglar’. From a very old site on the ‘net, Eric S Raymond, one of the foundational figures of modern computing:

      http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker

      A computer hacker is any skilled computer expert that uses their technical knowledge to overcome a problem. While “hacker” can refer to any skilled computer programmer, the term has become associated in popular culture with a “security hacker”, someone who, with their technical knowledge, uses bugs or exploits to break into computer systems.

      Most of the hacker community would count Assange as one of their own. He also did some security breaking in his early years.

  • Republicofscotland

    You can bet the corporate media, and our very own state broadcaster, will be ready to spin, spin, spin if Assange is forced out the embassy.

    Seizing and frogmarching Assange into a police van in the wee small hours of the morning is the most likely scenario. It wouldn’t surprise me if by then Assange is already feeling the effects of a sedative, given to him secretly in food or drink, to keep him calm.

    Wikileaks posted two police officers at the embassy door recently, and a car with four adult men sitting outside the embassy with the engine running, a dry run maybe?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    • michael norton

      RoS surely Wikileaks are not so powerful they can command the police in England, yet you claim
      “Wikileaks posted two police officers at the embassy door recently”

      you must be mistaken.

      • Republicofscotland

        Apologies Michael, I shouldve said posted a video of two police officers at the embassy door, not guarding it for Wikileaks per se.

  • Komodo

    Mystic Komodo suggests that extracting Assange to face a charge of jumping bail would be more sensibly attempted when Wikileaks has not just made a song and dance about his imminent relocation and remobilised his fan base to get in the way. Why invite difficulties?

    • michael norton

      However Mystic Komodo, we are supposed to be crashing out of the European Union on Thursday, it would be helpful for Theresa if something took over the news agenda for a week or so.
      Such as Julian being dragged out and taken away in cuffs.?

    • Clark

      Komodo, since the US cut-and-paste error, there is no longer any doubt that it’s extradition that Assange has been avoiding:

      III. PERIOD OF TIME GOVERNMENT SEEKS TO HAVE MATTER REMAIN UNDER SEAL (Local Rule 49(B)(3))5.
      The complaint, supporting affidavit, and arrest warrant, as well as this motion and the proposed order, would need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested in connection with the charges in the criminal complaint and can therefore no longer evade or avoid arrest and extradition in this matter.

      https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/179/399086/18919235200.pdf

      • Komodo

        O we all know that, Clark. And we all know that the immediate charge facing him here is jumping bail. (In the course of which some of his well-meaning friends were left somewhat out of pocket. Not a man I’d want to be financially extended for, to be honest.) The feeling among his admirers seems to be that we should ignore the British charge because he’s a hero of some kind. Remaining silent upon his possible heroism – some here are very easily offended – the law is as far as I was brought up to believe the law. Granted, some prominent assholes are very good at evading the legal consequences of their actions, but that is no justification for adding to their number.

        As to the US charge/s: they have yet to be brought. If he is charged under US law the US has every right to require him to stand trial in the US. Stealing and publishing secret material is a crime practically anywhere, I think, so the outcome of that is predictable. Any con would tell Julian, “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime”. and my personal opinion, with which I do not expect agreement, is that he would have attracted more respect outside his echo-chamber if he had wound up in jail for his alleged principles. He’d probably have got the medical treatment he occasionally claims to need, too.

        • Clark

          Er, it’s the US that wants to extradite him; you know, the US that runs the Guantanamo Bay, Bagram Air Base etc. false confession extraction torture centres, and has recently been caught again overseeing torture in Yemen; no one should be extradited into the hands of such a government.

          In that context, the bail offence isn’t even worth mentioning, unless – did some friend of yours contribute to his bail fund? ‘Cos you seem to raise that matter repeatedly. No, running a leaks site is neither grounds for hero worship nor demonisation.

          • Clark

            But maybe it would be honourable of Wikileaks to refund people’s bail payments; they and Assange offer rewards for leaks etc., so they must have funds. But maybe there’s some legal reason they can’t do that unless Assange can get somewhere with no extradition treaty with the US.

          • Komodo

            However disgusting the US system is, and how morally reprehensible it may be to obey the UK’s law – which prescribes Assange’s detention and permits his extradition (yes, yes, our extradition agreement is supine and immoral, got that)…it is the law as it currently applies to Assange’s case. “The law is an ass” has never been a defence.

            No, I don’t have friends who helped Assange. If your argument is purely moral – it certainly isn’t legal – doesn’t leaving them hanging as he scuttled to the Ecuadoran embassy, provide a convenient moral counter-narrative, though? As Wikileaks effectively IS Assange, your suggestion returns to the individual. It would indeed be moral to to reimburse his chums – after several years, he hasn’t.

            I see the balloon who killed his girlfriend boating on the Thames at night has now been returned to our justice system by the US; good. UK crime – UK time. I hope we can offer the US a quid pro quo, even while holding our noses.

          • Komodo

            Bugger. What a waste of a post mine was. They’ve just hauled him out (invited to by the Embassy) and arrested him.
            That’ll teach him to keep his room tidy…

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Don;t see why Julian chooses self-imprisonment all these years over just going out of the Embasy and see what happens. I have been quite willing to have my situation exposed to see if my enemies try to kill me.

    Interesting that none of the site blabbers are joining Craig. I would join Craig if I was in the UK even though I don’t believe Julian should just lock himself up in the Embassy.

  • N_

    1) If Assange leaves the embassy, the coverage will indeed be big, especially if he gets grabbed. Ensuring that there is big coverage will not be down to pavement artists and a certain video distribution website owned by a US advertising company, rain or no rain.

    2) The story of a few days ago that “he will be thrown out within hours” sounds like Wikileaks disinformation. Remember Evo Morales on that plane?

    3) The players in this affair will have thought about what other stories they want any “leaving the embassy” story to increase or decrease the impact of. The list includes Brexit and Mueller-Trump, probably in that order. Reminder: Britain crashes out of the EU in four days’ time unless there’s a withdrawal agreement, a revocation, or a further extension. Now let’s role-play it from the Cabinet Office.

    4) Let’s grow up. Wikileaks has always been dodgy, just as Greenpeace has too. The idea that whistleblowers should send secret information to a single anonymous box number run by straight-backed, bronzed, globe-trotting anonymous heroes is idiotic. They should NOT do this. It is no surprise that a brave person who is fooled into doing it ends up in prison having been subjected to such strong personal pressure that they don’t even know what sex they are. Acting in this way would be idiotic even if said receiving organisation of heroes didn’t negotiate the terms of publication of the said information with the Guardian and the New York Times. (Clue: Alexander Haig was not a hero.) Sorry mateys but big media can’t be diverted to be employed on the side of the angels.

    5) What’s real news?

    • portside

      In answer to the final question – What’s real news? Wikileaks. Everything published by them has been 100% factual and true despite the propaganda campaign to portray them as dodgy.

      • N_

        I hope you are being sarcastic. Because Edward Snowden was not on Evo Morales’s plane.

        If you are not being sarcastic, you are making social struggles sound like a wrestling match in which in one corner there is an elite team of masked truthtellers and the ring is owned by the Guardian, the New York Times, and Google. “Come on, Truth!” yell the crowd.

        Did you know Sarah Harrison advised Oliver Stone on his film “Snowden”?

        F*ck the media.

  • nevermind

    Thanks for the update, Craig, collateral damage of two Reuters journalist as well as two children visa vis the position of humanitarian bombing is one issue to raise,imho.

    Imbedded handed out prepared ptess statements journalism versus free speech, freelancing freeminded and freely active journalism is another issue I will want to raise. We should challenge jounalists in interviews regards their own personal experiences with editorial/Mi censoreship of stories, put them on the spot and ask them whether they should really support JA and free speech, or would they prefer being muzzled when reporting on war crimes, organised crime, or breaches of human rights in future.

  • N_

    the non-existent collusion with Russia to assist Trump, which is an entirely fake narrative

    Was it off his own bat that he assisted Trump’s election campaign then?

    • WJ

      It’s not Wikileaks fault that the DNC and HRC are corrupt. If they weren’t already corrupt, then publishing their emails wouldn’t “help” Trump. Powerful people need an external incentive to avoid being corrupt. Wikileaks provides that, which is why the powerful people want them shut down.

  • Hmmm

    I don’t have a lot of spare time + I’m lazy so can anyone produce some punchy one-liners of what wikileaks has provided?
    I’m thinking some meme type Facebook posts with a brought to you by Julian Assange/ wikileaks tag at the bottom.
    We can then share them with messages as to why leaks and their publishers are so important.

      • Herbie

        “You do know Facebook is the CIA?”

        Well, it’s certainly Globalist and against those critical of Globalism, as its censorship policy shows.

        The CIA, or at least CIA “Operations” are Globalists as well.

        • Clark

          “Globalists”. Do you use the term as the Ku Klux Clan used it, or in the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory sense?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism#History_of_the_concept

          “The word itself came into widespread usage, first and foremost in the United States, from the early 1940s.[10] Many of these early uses of the term “globalist” in American English were pejorative uses by marginal political groups like the KKK and neo-nazis and anti-Semites like Henry Ford and are not connected to later academic uses of the term in political science”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism#Anti-globalization_movement

          “Strauss cites Jörg Haider of Austria’s far-right Freedom Party and Jean-Marie Le Pen of France’s Front national as examples of the far right exploiting their electorate’s concerns about globalization. The Movimento Fascismo e Liberta in Italy identifies globalization as an “instrument in the hands of international Zionism,” according to Strauss, while in Eastern Europe, ultranationalists and communists have united against foreign investors and multinationals, identifying Jews as a common enemy.”

          • Herbie

            You simply haven’t the faintest clue what you’re talking about.

            You could begin here:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seattle_WTO_protests

            And please, less of the smear efforts.

            I really do wonder why you’re so keen to shut down discussion of elite attempts to control everyone and everything.

            I’ve explained it all to you several times now, so your political ignorance can no longer be a defence.

          • Herbie

            You don’t even read your own sources:

            “not connected to later academic uses of the term in political science”

  • Goose

    They are claiming he’s ‘a hacker’, the guardian switched to using this epithet in its stories, as have other MSM. Evidence he personally hacked, or urged anyone to hack anything, is never produced in said articles however. Since many well-known news outlets and other publications have published ‘leaked’ documents(eg. Snowden’s haul of documents) using the public interest defence, that just wouldn’t stick, hence the ‘hacker’ allegation.

    What’s most disturbing about this whole story is how fellow journalists aren’t defending him. They don’t seem to realise the implications and all the nasty precedents for them his extradition/prosecution would set. Personally, I think he could become an even bigger cause célèbre if extradited and imprisoned; a political prisoner, no Nelson Mandela but a wronged champion of the public’s right to know, it could prove huge mistake for authorities to even go after him like that.

    • N_

      Journalists couldn’t give a sh*t about the implications of anything.

      Personally, I think he could become an even bigger cause célèbre if extradited and imprisoned; a political prisoner, no Nelson Mandela but a wronged champion of the public’s right to know, it could prove huge mistake for authorities to even go after him like that.

      Who is this “public”? That’s been a Tory term for half a century or more. The last thing the working class needs is champions in the media. Spectacles make people passive, even when – especially when – they have the illusion of participation, as they do nowadays through their handheld microwave trackers that they think make them so “smart”. Think of it as a move from classical conditioning to operant conditioning: internalisation. Facebook will not make you free.

      • Herbie

        I was under the impression that Facebook was losing audience.

        Increasingly I see peeps, 20s to 40s, of the view that it’s now become a rest home for boomers.

        These peeps think boomers are a lost generation anyway in terms of understanding what’s going on.

        Younger people are growing up in a culture where they create and interact with eachothers media.

        They’re well into Samizdat, memes, and have their own language for discussing matters which govts and their servants like to censor.

        About time govts realised that those employed by msm are completely useless in promoting narratives unless they have the whole field to themselves.

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