Truly Shameful BBC Israeli Propaganda 585

In a genuinely outrageous piece of victim blaming, BBC News just blamed Palestinian intransigence in refusing to accept Israeli annexation of the West Bank for the deaths of Palestinian children caused by the Israeli blockade of medical supplies to Gaza.

This is a precise quote from the BBC TV News presenter headline at 10.30am:

“The lives of hundreds of sick Palestinian children are being put at risk because of the latest downturn in relations between their leaders and Israel last month. The Palestinian President said his government was giving up on past peace agreements because of Israeli plans to annex parts of the West Bank. That decision stopped co-operation on many security and civil matters including medical and travel permits.”

There followed a heart rending piece by BBC Middle East correspondent Yolande Knell featuring Palestinian children in Gaza dying of varous medical conditions and their distraught mothers.

The entire piece very plainly blamed Palestinian officials for the situation.

The BBC did not blame Israel for placing a blockade illegally preventing pharmaceuticals and medical supplies from entering Gaza – the basic reason the children cannot be treated at home.

The BBC did not blame Israel for blockading in illegally the civilian population of Gaza, so that these children cannot freely leave for treatment in Europe without Israeli clearance.

The BBC did not point out that the proposed annexation of the West Bank is illegal, has been condemned by the UN Secretary General and by 95% of the governments of the world, and will precipitate great violence.

No, the BBC blamed the Palestinians.

“Accept the illegal annexation of still more of your land, or small children will die and it will be your fault”.
That is a line the BBC are perfectly happy to push out on behalf of Israel. It is an astonishing moment for the UK state propagandist. It is important we do not ourselves become complacent at this absolutely unacceptable behaviour.


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  • N_

    So the fork-tongued BBC supports the fascist regime called Israel, throwing basic truth about “who does what to whom” out of the window.

    Meanwhile practically the whole of the western media omits to notice that not only has the fascist US president posted and praised a white power video but he has NOT APOLOGISED.

    And a third rather more local example of the same phenomenon: several organs of the British media have portrayed Scottish nationalist leader Nicola Sturgeon’s threat to quarantine those who travel north across the Scottish border as a threat to lock up “English visitors” and “English tourists” for being a public health risk. Once again, truth and logic go in the bin. 1) You can’t f*cking impose any policy on border crossers unless you have checkpoints on the border and check the identity of everybody who wants to cross it. 2) A health policy in Scotland that discriminates against English people would be unlawful, as well as being despicably racist and fascist. 3) What about Scots who go south to visit say family members in Carlisle? Will they be waved through by friendly police or soldiers? 4) Did any supporters of the policy think about 1-3? 5) Talk about dogwhistles. 6) C’mon, admit there’s a problem with racist retards in Scotland who see everything in terms of Scotland versus England, egged on by the Partei and the “Government”, similarly to how some fans of Tommy Robinson seem to focus much of their lives on hating the “P***s”.

    • N_

      And of course any English person who notices what Jo Swinson, the Scottish former leader of the British Liberal Democrats, rightly and with clear abhorrence called a “rising tide of nationalism on both sides of the border” gets called a colonialist, a hammer of the Scots, a resister of the holy nationalistic Scottish struggle towards racial destiny, as if in an echo of the way that any gentile who criticises Zionism is called an anti-Semite.

      I’m fed up to HERE with hearing supposed critics of Zionism and of pro-Zionist media lies simultaneously support Scottish nationalism and hate the guts of the English, always finding some lying way of saying it’s only the sh*tty English that they hate, and that they love good docile English people who enjoy Morris dancing – a position very reminiscent of the kind of things that David Irving has said about black people.

        • N_

          @Ian – Thanks for your tweet-like post. Your writing style certainly seems of the epoch – condemn without saying why, refer to a rude body part, and don’t bother proofreading. Which two meanings of the word “hysterical” did you have in mind? I don’t have a womb, so you can’t have meant that one. I wonder how much thought you have given to how the word “hysterical” has been and is used. You prefer cool, calm, collected, scientific, expert, male-power, “we’re good at following orders, us with our calipers”, pragmatic, “this way to the incinerator; I’m only doing my job”, atomistic “rationality”, right?

          • Ian

            Both hysterically funny, and hysterical in tone, shrieking and overwrought. Like your attempt at character analysis. You’re welcome.

        • Piotr+Berman

          Perchance it was snark? Like, so over the top that it could not be serious.

      • terence callachan

        Are you really that stupid .
        No of course not.
        When i was in Israel Palestine Jordan i was able to see for myself just how badly Israel treats Palestinian people.Its terrible. They point their machine guns at people as they walk up the road, young Israeli soldiers 18, 19 , 20 laughing taunting elderly Palestinians.

        Scotland / England …no comparison , Scottish people dont hate English people , Scotland hates how England thinks it should decide everything for everyone in uk they forget its four countries SEIW

        Comparing Israel / Palestine with England / Scotland ….what are you off your rocker ?

      • Mishko

        So we have Tommy Robinson with his acrimony towards P-stars-s which I presume
        to mean Pakistani’s, And David Irving mouthing off on black people.
        And you are fed up with nationalism being tarred and feathered. Or not?

    • Moine

      You clearly do not understand what racism is. When was your car last pulled over because you looked English ? When were you last subjected to a stop and search for looking English ? You are trivialising the term racism, in order to score some cheap political points.

      • N_

        @Moine – I have more understanding of racism in my little fingernail, including from direct personal experience, than you will ever have in your whole body.

        • Moine

          Then you really should know better than to trivialise the use of the word racism to score some cheap political points.

    • iain

      “C’mon, admit there’s a problem with racist retards in Scotland”

      No one can deny it. They have been spotted too many times in large numbers brandishing union Jacks, singing rule Britannia and executing nazi salutes.

      • Cubby

        Yes they have been running around George square, Glasgow in recent times with their union flags and Nazi salutes desperately trying to find somebody, anybody to beat up but they get bonus points if they can find an ethnic minority (or foreigner to them). They are called British Nationalists.

        The British Nationalist parties in Scotland very own storm troopers.

        • iain

          Saw that, yes. A great sweep of gammon in a carnival of reaction (or British nationalism.)

          • Hypocrisy detector.

            Insults based on the colour of a persons skin is racist. No if buts or maybes about it. Racist.

          • iain

            Then there are those moved to contribute only when they see criticism of extreme racists. The most convincing anti-racists imaginable. .

          • Hypocrisy detector

            Your reply is irrelevant to the charge. Your language is racist. Shame on you.

    • Republicofscotland

      “Meanwhile practically the whole of the western media omits to notice that not only has the fascist US president posted and praised a white power video but he has NOT APOLOGISED.”


      It hasnt gone unnoticed, I listened to a very interesting interview on that particular post by Trump from Martin Luther King III, son of Dr Martin Luther King Jr, who was murdered on 1968 in Memphis Tennessee. In the interview Mr King said that he wasn’t surprised by Trumps tweet.

      His reason he said is that Trump is a racist, handed down from his father Fred Trump who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

    • Cubby


      Scots should not be going to Carlisle as the current restrictions in Scotland are 5 miles travel. Just as English people should respect the rules in Scotland and not be travelling to the Highlands on hol from say Sheffield.

      Quite frankly your post is a load of nonsense.

    • P.M.

      It’s about time someone discriminated against the racist, sexist and fascist Westminster government. Why should any ‘ordinary’ citizen of Britain be treated with the total disdain and disregard that emanates from a rich, powerful elite, comprising old Etonians ? These people do not represent the interests of the person in the street in any way, shape or form.
      I am someone who promoted & supported the idea of a Celtic Alliance after Brexit. Scotland, Wales & N. Ireland would join Ireland and apply to remain members of the EU. Our motives were not narrow-minded or racist, but rather, framed around the ability to retain all the positives of living in the community of Europe.

    • Rhys Jaggar

      Do they hate the poofs or those of Muslim Asian extraction?!

      Or both??!!

    • OnlyHalfALooney

      Baraitser needs “medical proof” that Assange is unwell?

      Can the court actually compel somebody to “be present via video link”? Physically present yes, but by video link? How is this supposed to work.

      The US is probably introducing lots of indictments before Assange is renditioned to avoid legal problems with trying someone for charges that he/she was not extradited for.

      Meanwhile Anne Sacoolas who has admitted responsibility for a young English lad’s death is comfortably pursuing her job at Langley and has reportedly been promoted.

      • Rhys Jaggar

        This is what MI6 is supposed to be for: kidnapping Sacoolas’ ilk and bringing them back to Blighty after diplomatic niceties have failed.

        Of course, MI6 is really about spying on innocent British people and ensuring the cartel of ueber rich can continue in their merry lifestyle.

  • Ingwe

    Whilst the BBC’s coverage of Israel and its fascistic government’s actions are grotesque for the bias in favour, today it put out what must be the most bizarre offering on Radio 4. It started out with a male introducing the subject; migration and, in particular, cuckoos who migrate north from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DCR) to the UK. Then the narration switched to a female narrator talking to and about DCR women who fled mass rape, death and torture there, to the UK.
    Then back to the man and his cuckoos, detailing the hardships the birds face on the long migration north. Then back to the female narrator and the catalogue of humiliations and fear forced upon these women migrants both by their traffickers here and their treatment by the police, Home Office and Border Agency. Then back to the man’s cuckoos.
    I could only imagine that some kind of crude equivalency was being made between the ordeal the DCR women faced, with that of the cuckoo.
    Clearly, the real sophistication of the producers’ thesis was lost on me but I’d love have the rationale spelled out to me. Because to me, the awfulness of the juxtaposition between the womens’ suffering and that of a species of bird defied reason. Well done the BBC! Pricks.

    • Mary

      Here Ingwe. I didn’t hear it but will listen to it later following your analysis.
      The producer was Rosie Boulton and the programme was produced by Much Try Softer *
      ‘Naturalist Brett Westwood has been thinking more and more about migration to the UK. He’s spent a lifetime studying migrating birds, but he’s become increasingly alert to the people making a similar journey.

      He’s particularly interested in cuckoos. We might think of cuckoos as quintessentially British, but they only spend about 10 to 12 weeks of their year here in the UK. They are native to the Democratic Republic of the Congo.’

      * aka Mrs Rosie Oates. It is her own production company.
      How much she is paid by the BBC we are not told.

      • Ingwe

        Thanks, Mary. Having looked at the link to the BBC programme, I’m not comforted or reassured. A comparison between cuckoos, who make the flight from DRC to the UK as an instinctive, thoughtless natural event, requiring no conscious decision process, no compulsion etc with that of women, conscious, having to make a terrible decision to migrate, forced on them by other conscious men, usually paying all their and their family’s money to traffickers and the humiliations and horrors inflicted on them, strikes me at best as totally insensitive and at worst grotesque.

        • Stewart

          Aren’t cuckoos associated with replacing native populations with their own offspring?

    • Merkin Scot

      Yes, I listened and was equally shocked, bemused, insulted. There ws even a dig at cuckoo society where the poor children never know their real parents.

  • FranzB

    The killing of Iyad Hallaq gives an insight into how the BBC reports killings of Palestinians by the IDF.

    The electronic intifada gives a full account of the event, which would disgust anybody with an ounce of humanity, whereas the BBC basically gives the Israeli account of the killing. This report, disgusting as well, is what most people will see.

  • FranzB

    There’s a report on declassified UK about how inexperienced investigators were sent to Iraq to investigate war crimes carried out by the UK military:-

    “Why did the military police send such inexperienced and unqualified people to a theatre of war? It’s not rocket science. You’re going to be [dealing with]… torture, homicide and war crimes.”

    A large number of cases were left uninvestigated and eventually investigations on these crimes were carried out in the UK:-

    ‘The source said it was a “joke” that two people in England could be expected to deal with piles of historical allegations of murder, killings and sudden deaths, adding it was “beyond words” that incidents so serious had been allowed to “fester”.’

    • Mary

      The British war(s) on Iraq are stains on this country.

      Two decent men with consciences who resisted orders were LEO Charlton who refused to bomb Iraq in 1921 and Ft Lt Malcolm Kendall Smith who refused to participate in torture and interrogation of Iraqi prisoners.

      Charlton – ‘On 2 February 1923, Air Commodore Charlton took up the post of Chief Staff Officer at the headquarters of the RAF’s Iraq Command. It was at this time that the RAF employed the bombing of Iraqi villages with the intent of pacifying tribal opposition. Charlton opposed this policy and he went on to openly criticize such bombing action. Within a year of his arrival, Charlton resigned from his post in Iraq. His opposition to the bombing policy is said to have started with a visit to the local hospital in Diwaniya, where he witnessed horribly mangled civilians, including women and children, who were among the victims of a British air raid.

      On his return to Great Britain, Charlton expected to be summoned to see the Chief of the Air Staff, Hugh Trenchard. The summons never came. Although Charlton was barred from further postings in Iraq, he went on to serve as Air Officer Commanding No 3 Group. Charlton requested early retirement, which he was granted.’

      He was a medic, a psychologist, and knew that he would be deployed to oversee interrogation, probably involving torture.
      He was found guilty at a court martial of disobeying orders, was sent to prison and fined £20,000. Outrageous treatment.

    • Rhys Jaggar

      This is how the system works: allow anything to happen by ‘our boys’, squeal outrage, outrage at the slightest bad language by our ‘enemies’.

      Which is more serious: murdering 1 million innocent people or calling Tony Blair a ‘f**king c**t from a North East Hole?’

      Based on how the UK Establishment treated those who did either the first or the second, the second is far, far more serious….

    • Squeeth

      You remember when double jeopardy was legalised because of the “incontrovertible” accuracy of DNA? I think there should be an equivalent for state agencies conspiring to sabotage a prosecution.

  • Vivian O'Blivion

    How are the wages of sin these days? What of the Labour Party (former) MPs that pushed the Jeremy’s an Anti-Semite nonsense.

    Tom Watson: Washed up in March this year as Chair of U.K. Music. Not that former phat boy Watson has any known musical credentials but he was taking over from former Labour MP, Michael Dugher so it’s a stitch up.

    Ruth Smeeth: Appointed this year as CEO of Index on Censorship. Smeeth was a major promoter of the IHRA definition of Anti-Semitism. Oh my irony meter just broke. Index on Censorship is a recipient of State funding via the Arts Council.

    John Woodcock: Appointed Special Envoy to tackle violent extremism by Home Secretary, Sajid Javid November 2019. This despite facing unresolved accusations of sexual harassment. Woodcock advised folk to vote Tory in the 2019 GE. What a cnut!

    John Mann: Appointed Anti-Semitism Tsar and Life Peer by Theresa May, 2019.

    Ian Austin: Appointed Priministerial Trade Envoy to Israel by Theresa May, July 2019.

    Seems the wages of sin are rewarding indeed and there’s always scum in the queue.

      • Vivian O'Blivion

        Amazing? Rather entirely predictable. Blown agents of the Deep State must be found new income streams.
        David Milliband has made millions heading up International Rescue (well, he does look like one of the Tracey brothers).

        • Goose

          At the risk of sounding like a ‘conspiracy theorist’ , Matt Kennard pointing to Starmer’s membership of the Trilateral Commission, joining the likes of Lord Mandelson and Rory Stewart makes you wonder. His meetings with Jonathan Evans then head of MI5 for ‘drinks’ in 2013 followed by the CPS decision not to prosecute over torture. His trips to meet ‘unknown’ people in the US.

          He’s only been an MP since 2015 and he resigned in an attempt to oust Corbyn, later bizarrely, rejoining Cortbyn’s shadow cabinet. Now the spooky BBC can’t get enough of the fella, Laura K is almost flirting with him in interviews. It all looks hella suspicious. And not in a good way.

          • Goose

            Starmer has just pushed through single transferable vote (STV) for NEC elections – the party’s ruling body. This is in response to the fact the Left (Momentum) has been very good at getting its ‘slate’ elected under FPTP. i.e. STV’s introduction by the Blairites is pure opportunism, not principled support for a different voting system.

            Be in no doubt, the vile Blairites are back and they are intent on seizing control, of everything. They’re ruthless bastards and that’s why they can do this – that fact and media complicity. Corbyn dithered over open selection and it destroyed him. If Corbyn had made such a dramatic change at tghis without putting it to conference, the Blairites and their press supporters would’ve raised hell.

            The problem they’ll have though ,is it’s different world to 1997 and centrism in Europe is on its knees (German SPD 16%). If they don’t offer compelling policies that are left-wing they’ll be crushed by apathy like the German centrists have been.

          • J Galt

            Has Starmer been to Chatham House to have his card stamped yet?

            Corbyn did, however it didn’t seem to do him much good!

          • J

            Always worth noting that Jeffrey Epstein was also a member of the Trilateral Commission.

          • Xavi

            It can easily get much worse. Starmer was principle architect of the 2nd referendum wheeze that re-stripped Labour of its credibility among working class voters after the restoration of 2017.

            Labour held onto many Red Wall ‘Brexit’ seats by a thread in December. Those too will probably be lost if the choice next time is between a jovial faux-populist Tory and an EU-loving block of wood, no matter how beloved the block of wood is by ruling-class media.

          • Vivian O'Blivion

            The “conspiracy nut” trope is employed as a smoke screen to obscure what is readily apparent for anyone who cares to look. The Deep State hides in plain view (abetted by its integral MSM wing).
            Former SNP MP, Stephen Gethins lost his seat in November but quickly found employment in the notoriously right wing and Atlanticist School of Foreign Affairs at St Andrews University. Gethins was the SNP, Westminster, Foreign Affairs Spokesman from 2015 to 2019 and he was a tireless Russia bater. Why would the SNP pick an MP with a single figure majority as a Westminster spokesman?
            Nicola Sturgeon associates herself with the John Smith Centre for Public Service at the University of Glasgow. The JSCfPS is a nest of Blairites, its mission statement is full of “mentoring” and “networking”. A Jocko mini-me for the British American Project. All bases must be covered. I fear for the future of an independent Scotland.

        • Goose

          @Vivian O’Blivion

          I think one of the main reasons they hate Assange with a passion is no doubt because WikiLeaks published actual evidence that exposed an MP as an ‘asset’ of a foreign power. If an MP can act as a agent to foreign govt without consequence, what message does that send?

          Makes you wonder why MI6 is permitting such foreign interference? You can bet they know a lot more about who was undermining Corbyn. Because let’s face it, if Al Jazeera can easily expose it, in The Lobby, the intel agencies with their resources, will know the full extent.

          If maintaining the US-UK intel & tech sharing relationship is corrupting our politics, then I think the public would view the costs as too high. Pompeo’s secretly recorded comments about stopping Corbyn were problematic too. Even if the spooks hate Corbyn and his politics they shouldn’t allow a foreign power to openly boast about thwarting a UK citizen, in a domestic political context. For that isn’t just an attack on Corbyn or Labour, it’s an attack on democracy.

          • Squeeth

            To be fair, Corbyn’s most effective enemy was him, the abject poltroon.

          • Mighty Drunken

            What is government for? One common idea is that government are to provide stability, to prevent the natural state of anarchy. I think it is clear that MI6 and the government in general is trying to keep the status quo. There appears to be an alliance formed between the UK, America, Israel, Australia and others. Their aim is to keep things more or less as they are and there main enemies (real or imagined) are China and Russia.

            Well that is my theory. For today.

  • Ingwe

    David Mitchell-instead of asking sub-GCSE debating points, why not address the more fundamental question of why the Palestinians, dispossessed of their land, subject to military occupation and suffering long term, unlawful sanctions, should wait for handouts from anyone?

  • doug scorgie

    David Mitchel.
    I have a serious question for you. I am of the opinion that Zionism (political or religious) is a racist ideology. Perhaps I’m wrong and you could educate me by replying in a detailed post that proves me wrong?
    Thanks in advance.

      • doug scorgie

        Reply ↓
        doug scorgie
        June 30, 2020 at 23:56
        David Mitchel.
        I have a serious question for you. I am of the opinion that Zionism (political or religious) is a racist ideology. The question is David do you agree with my view above or disagree?
        If you disagree can you inform me where I’ve got it wrong?
        Thats two questions.

        Thanks in advance.

        • David Mitchell

          Let’s start with Nationalism.
          Is that good or bad? Productive or counterproductive?
          If productive, who for? If counterproductive, who for?
          Are all cultures equal? Are some cultures better than others?
          Just asking…

    • Squeeth

      Zionism is an antisemite ideology; Hertzl and his cronies intended it to replace Judaism, you don’t get more antisemite than that.

  • Antonym

    More than 1,000 Palestinians in Gaza died from Israeli blockade. Gaza Strip’s 12-year land, air and naval blockade has resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 Palestinians.
    26 Feb 2018
    Still ticks all the boxes: children check, lots check, only Israel’s blockade check, Palestinian innocence check.

    Gaza’s 7.5 mile border with Egypt simply doesn’t exist in some eyes.

    • S

      Not sure what point you are trying to make, why are you citing a 2018 Al Jazeera article here?

      • zoot

        just a confused iteration of his usual point: that stealing another people’s country and murdering them is good. you will never convince him otherwise.

  • N_

    Leftwing whites who think they know about racism could take a look at the list of areas that have been suggested for a “second lockdown” since Leicester: Bradford, Brent, Harrow, Tower Hamlets, Derby. “Intellectual” justification for why these areas which just happen to have large non-white populations are oh so “objectively” (“scientifically”?) right to choose include

    * the prevalence of “multi-generational households” (i.e. “they’re not like us”),
    * the fact that “many key workers are from the BAME community” (i.e. they’re black and Asian), and
    * overcrowding (or slum privately-rented housing, as it used to be called).

    Yeah, right. Many British soldiers must be champing at the bit. They’ve always wanted to go into Bradford mob-handed. (Anybody who wants to contest that statement should first spend a minimum of 20 hours reading the forums at Readers of the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph and the Express are absolutely loving this.

    No doubt the right wing and those on the comfortable white left who last learnt anything about 30 years ago will point out that other areas have been mentioned too, including the Isle of Wight and Richmond, as if that makes the slightest bit of difference to the said audiences and much of the army.

    • David

      Bradf’d was allegedly the place where all the original traffic speed cameras etc were replaced by astonishingly high resolution networked digital versions – I think the army are already there. I like the city, I was very shocked on a recent visit by some of the ostentatious wealth on display, youth in dream-cars, unaffordable dream-cars….!!!
      anyway read the Financial Times (paywalled, where they reconstruct the not-publicly-available Pillar Two (community) covid testing data, for Leicester, and surprise y’sen there a’r kid.

    • Rhys Jaggar

      It depends on whether the Covid19 thing is truly real or a scam, with released virus sprayed by SS operatives where they want cases to occur.

      The medical reason for second lockdowns is pretty clear: more cases.

      What is totally lacking is a discussion about why, after the 1917 Spanish Flu epidemic, humanity was not all locked up for the next 100 years.

      Somehow or other, life got back to complete normal after 50 million people died, which makes Covid19 deaths seems like a blip.

      But we are now all a bunch of whingeing softies.

  • Noel Maddock

    Disgraceful but not unprecedented by the BBC. This seems to be the new world order of officially supporting the might is right approach. Decent Israeli people must be aghast at the cruelty and heartless approach of their government. Now the insidious support of such oppression by the BBC. Are their propagandists pining for a time when their government was the globes master oppressor?

    • Marmite

      ‘This seems to be the new world order of officially supporting the might is right approach.’

      This only works selectively, and depending on the state’s colonialist interests (as refracted by their poo-brained journalists).

      It is not so much the case with British-China relations, for instance.

      Unfortunately, the pro-democracy movements in Hong Kong (led by youths too young to know much about history and too naive to understand the ways of the world) have consistently undermined themselves with their appeals to the US and UK.

      Of course I sympathise with them, but when I see those protestors making asses of themselves by wearing shirts with American flags, I just lose my will to live. The US is surely the wickedest market dictatorship that there is, and the sickest joke ever played on the concepts of democracy and freedom.

      Don’t they see that they are simply glorifying another form of tyranny and slavery? In Hong Kong right now, China must appear as the immediate threat that it certainly is, but its protest movements sadly seem hopelessly misguided, unorganised and pathetic.

      • Goose

        As little time as I’ve got for the CCP or its repression, the US has a CIA station in the Hong Kong Consulate, as ex-CIA man Snowden revealed.

        Were you a Chinese govt or security official watching this unfold on your doorstep, you’d be thinking if they are operating there and organising anti-China opposition, we need to be in there too countering that. The protests have been so persistent and violent they have all the hall marks of outside help and organisation.

        • Goose


          To add…. I’m not supporting the new security law, but it became inevitable because of the violent nature and scale of the protests and the risks of contagion. The Chinese will have felt they had no choice.

          • Bramble

            That was the intention. I love the thought that a government that wants to imprison for ten years protestors who try to pull down a fourth rate sculpture of a long forgotten slave trader are relaxed about inviting a mob of violent, American puppet “activists” over here.

        • Republicofscotland

          The CIA. has in the past organised many coup detat, one of the bloodiest was in Indonesia in 1965, the CIA actually handed over a list of the first 500 people that it wanted executed, killed by murder squads, the number of people eventually killed was between 500,000 and 3,000,000.

      • bevin

        These are pro democracy elements who were conspicuously absent from politics during the century plus occupation of Hong Kong. In fact many of them are calling-in the name of democracy!- for a return to British rule. These people make the Maidan rent a mob look like the crowd storming the Bastille.

        • Kempe

          Anti-British riots, supported by China, killed 51 people in 1967.

          Instead of the further clampdowns favoured by Beijing the British calmed the situations by relaxing restrictions and granting the colonists greater freedom.

          • Stonky

            “Anti-British riots, supported by China, killed 51 people in 1967..”

            Ok Kempe, I know this is going to be difficult for you, but here we go…

            Just imagine that I stride into your house one day, put a bullet in your knee, march up to your daughter’s bedroom, rape her, kick her out, and tell you it’s my bedrom now.

            Shortly afterwards, I come down to your living room and explain to you that you have another knee, I have another bullet, and we’re going to sign a rental agreement for another couple of rooms I want, for which the rental payment is zero.

            For the next hundred and fifty years I wander around hour house kicking your family’s arse whenever I feel like it, eating your food, stealing your stuff… whatever pleases me.

            One day somebody comes into your daughter’s bedroom and starts punching me in the face.

            I’m pretty sure they’ll be “supported by you”.

            What do you think?

      • Marmite

        I’d have a lot more sympathy if it weren’t the case that the majority of them were just trying to protect their right to buy Adidas products and go on Disneyland holidays.

        At the same time, I don’t want to trivialise their efforts, because at least the ideals that they claim to stand for are laudible.

        I’m not aware of any evidence that these protests have anything to do with the CIA. Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were the case. But I suppose that is a separate issue. As with any kind of movement, there are going to be lots of agendas in play.

        My support for the so-called pro-democracy movements around the world can only be half-hearted so long as the US and UK continue to be (laughably) a benchmark for democracy.

        I’d support Hong Kongers more if they actually called China out on the way it has combined the worst form of American-style unfettered capitalism with the worst kind of authoritarianism, and if they were rebelling rather in the name of egalitarianism (a word that at least still has some kind of meaning).

        • Goose

          Yeah, I don’t know either, but with China – US relations hitting a low, point it’d be almost surprising were they not at least one of the helping or guiding hands behind the protests. Mobilising protests and opposition are one thing well-resourced agencies can do well. It’s also why many countries are now hyper-wary of NGOs and other organisations that are principally funded by the US.

          Just for clarity, by expressing an opinion of why the Chinese are reacting as are, is by no means endorsing the Chinese position. China is a deeply authoritarian country, that’s majorly embraced capitalism without a concurrent embrace of human rights and democracy. That lopsided model seems inherently unstable.

          • Republicofscotland

            Add in that the USA is attempting to disrupt China’s Belt and Silk Road initiative, and in the process strike a blow against the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. The strategic port of Gwadar is at the heart of it, as China needs oil, the USA knows this and is agitating in Balochistan promoting independence movements, where the all important port is. The US is seasoned in causing constructive chaos, one of Brzezinski’s better known theories, the idea probably originated with Julius Caesar, Divide et Impera, the US will also be behind further disruption in Kashmir hoping to nurture more chaos in Asia Minor.

            It won’t take that much more agitating, as India and China are already sabre rattling on the McMahon line in which China acquired Aski Chin plateau, and the important water sources that goes with them to supply Eastern Chinese cities, India’s PM Modi hasn’t ruled out bombing the Chinese water pumping stations in the region.

          • bevin

            ROS Does China need oil? I should have thought that with Iran and Russia as allies and a central strategic position in eurasia the need is all on the other side: oil producers need the Chinese market.

          • Republicofscotland

            Bevin. Yes China needs oil I think over 55% of its oil comes from the OPEC countries, the Strait of Hormuz, is probably the most important oil highway on Earth, yet China turned down the US last year in an invitation to to patrol and protect it, probably because Iran is an ally and China has invested heavily in the Iranian oil and gas sector.

            Of the 14 million barrels of oil shipped through the Straits on a daily basis around 26% of it destined for China, is it any wonder then that the US wants to control what passes through it and to who the oil goes to, China is thought to be largest importer of oil in the world.

        • Johny Conspiranoid

          “trying to protect their right to buy Adidas products and go on Disneyland holidays.”
          How are those rights threatened?

      • Johny Conspiranoid

        “In Hong Kong right now, China must appear as the immediate threat that it certainly is,”
        Threat of what?

    • Rhys Jaggar

      The BBC simply represents the power blocs they think will win, they forget they are funded by the UK taxpayers in a poll-tax-style arrangement.

      It would be entirely apposite to sack the top 5000 earners in the BBC for gross professional misconduct and anyone who says they were just reading their lines gets their pay reduced to £10.75 an hour, as they are unskilled verbal labourers.

  • Vivian O'Blivion

    Perhaps future history books will obsess with the “Meseberg conference of 29th June 2020”.
    Alright it was a bilateral meeting between Merkel and Macron rather than a conference, but a fundamental change in European global outlook was signaled.
    Merkel; “We must define our relations with the World as a European Union.” Europe and China are “partners in economic cooperation and combating climate change.”
    Foreign Minister, Heiko Mass; “Anyone who thinks that with a president of the Democratic Party everything will be the same again in the transatlantic partnership as it once was underestimates the structural changes.”
    Europe will reset its relations with the rest of the world on European terms rather than Atlanticist terms.
    China, Russia, Iran, Palestine, …
    This isn’t a Trump thing, it’s a Brexit thing.

    • Marmite

      We are in a lot of trouble when Boris comes out looking more progressive than the BBC on Israel.

      • giyane


        In ecological terms, despite Bojo and the BBC wasting time fantasising about Israel and Britain’s future in the world, we are brilliantly situated with a moritorium on completely egotistical executive plane travel, to deal with climate change. The entire political machine , from arms factories to Tesla sports cars, is completely dysfunctional. You can’t even get an appointment to change a gas meter, let alone a Syrian reconstruction program.

        Old fart Lord Patten sounded particularly pathetic on the BBC yesterday about the Chinese in Hong Kong. They are picking us off , one by one. Oh the treachery, the ingratitude, the treason of a long oppressed empire enjoying the USUKIS aggressors’ paralysis . These damnable foreigners with whom we deign to trade slowly removing the fetters imposed on them by Perfidious Albion and sticking them in the dustbin of history.

        So that’s two separate causes for great hope materialising simultaneously, first the destruction of the capitalist delusion of world hegemony, and secondly the destruction of the destruction of the planet that USUKIS hegemony has imposed on the world from poisoned water from our industrial waste in the seas, to British plastic waste being burned in Turkey or the flattened cities of Syria and Libya.
        Bojobums is forced to make peace with his own utterly disgruntled electorate in order to avoid insurrection, while China relaxes into his seat of World King by telling the former British colony that the British aspect of its history has now disappeared.

          • Rhys Jaggar

            At the end of the day, China is control of the land of Hong Kong, so if 3 million people just leave, I would not be surprised to see the Chinese simply move in.

            They might just let the place get overtaken by nature for a couple of decades, to render all the property pretty worthless, of course.

            But my money is on them marching in and hoisting a Chinese flag….

          • Tatyana

            thanks for the response, but I believe it’s never too true.

            The category has no degree of comparison. It’s a binary ‘yes/no’ choice, i.e. either true, or false.

            Today I had fun with the Pythagoria game, there was the task to construct a triangle, having only one side of it and the intersection point of the medians (in-centre they call it today! I even learned they recognize 32 000 of the triangular’s “magic” dots today! Makes me wonder, what would Pythagoras himself feel about geometry nowadays!)
            I must confess I acted intuitively in most tasks, and I even had correct solutions several times.
            Until we get to the bottom of a case, a lot of things seem to us just a coincidence, which we willingly attribute to some natural order. This is not so. We must be aware that many events are much more the result of preliminary calculations, than an accident.

            The quest… it seemed like an unsolvable puzzle, until you learn 1/3 to 2/3 ratio with the incentre.

          • Herbie

            “Too true” is simply a colloquialism in English. Not a mathematical or logical statement.

            It means something like, “true, and hasn’t it always been thus”. Often uttered with a sigh, a smile, a shrug, and all three.

            So far as the binary, “true is true. false is false”, is concerned.


            We’ve had at least 30 years of Postmodernism, in which language, narrative and rhetoric have their own independent being and authority, way above lived experience and evidence.

            It’s a product of lives more lived in mass media than in their own lived lives.

            Vicarious living. Perhaps a kind of trans-humanism, in a way.

            A drug?

          • Tatyana

            Herbie, thanks for the answer! I had to make an effort to understand the sense 🙂 fortunately, the Russian Wiki describes postmodernism using Lobachevsky geometry as an example. Lobachevsky rejected the Euclidean axiom of a single parallel line, but his system still had no contradictions.

            You know, there is something for which I love science. Firstly, they define terms, and only then they begin to describe phenomena with these terms.
            Well, Lobachevsky’s system is undoubtedly true, given that you agree to say “plane” every time you mean a part of pseudosphere (3D object looking like a spindle, and it is definetely far from Euclidean plane).

            That damn reminds me of the use of the word “rape” in describing Assange and his relationship with those two girls.

        • Giyane

          C’mon guys. Boris is not going to bring 3 million people from Hong Kong into Brexit Britain. All he will do is some kind of horizontal copy-cat Trump pissing across China’s bows about China abusing British citizens.

          This is an utterly futile piece of boundary marking using synthetic testosterone .
          Boris is a liar. At the moment he is selling government bonds, presumably to the Chinese, to cover up his disastrous policy of Russian Roulette with the EU.

          As for Chris Patten, since when has a departing politician been able to dictate to the incoming government how to conduct itself. Did Brown send Cameron emails on the importance of installing Heat Pumps? Maybe.
          But Cameron just invaded Libya and Syria. It might be their oil and gas , but we need it and they will only waste it on black and brown people.

          • Mr Shigemitsu

            At the moment, the U.K. government’s right hand, in the form of HM Treasury, is selling Govt bonds to banks and insurance companies, promptly followed by its left hand, in the form of its own central bank, the BoE, buying them right back again with reserves created at a computer keystroke.

            The amount of new Gilts issued since March 2020 has been exactly matched by the amount of secondary market bond purchases (QE).

            In other words, the government is, effectively, and perfectly sensibly, funding its Covid emergency spending itself (although hiding behind the smoke and mirrors of Gilt issuance followed by QE to do so).

            No Chinese involvement necessary.

          • Giyane

            Mr Shigemitsu

            Thank you for that explanation.
            If I was unemployable and made a small junk shop in order to claim Working Tax Credit for my growing family, or even families, I could then plough some of my WTC back into the business.

            China on the other hand finds work for real people to do and rather resents the West airily claiming superiority for its many ponzi schemes. Especially when , as Tatyana points out, it keeps on buying real things made by real people , while bitterly complaining of trading unfairness.

            The only trading unfairness is Chinese workers sweating anger grafting while Western workers poke their mobile keyboards to buy stuff without ever making anything. My Protestant work ethic protests that China is much more Protestant and work ethical than Tory US/UK.

            China’s demands of its population that it works is mocked by the West as authoritarianism. It clearly isn’t. The West demands that its population turns a blind eye to its criminal colonialism in exchange for being able to sit on its bum. When did China bomb or pay proxy armies to wreck another country?

            Hypocrisy and pig slurry . Discuss or vomit. I’m not sure I can put up with the stink for much longer.

      • Monteverdi

        @Marmite 13.48 -Please see my post at 20.48pm to dissuade you from that belief.

    • Bramble

      Maybe the exit of the UK frees the EU from the Atlanticist view (one warned against by de Gaulle). Sadly, it doesn’t free those of this on this benighted island who also want to escape it.

      • Rhys Jaggar

        I do not think so: the President of France is an even bigger arse kisser to NATO than Boris. Spain does what it is told, so do Sweden and Denmark. Poland make the UK seem rebellious and so do the Baltic states.

        The eastern half of the EU has a different history, holding grudges against what was the Soviet Union and before that, Tsarist Russia. They were never part of the British, French, Belgian, Portuguese, Spanish or German empires (except very briefly during WWII).

        The US saw the eastward expansion of the EU as their opportunity to take control: ‘mine enemy’s enemy is my friend’ and all that.

        Italy, Austria, Germany and Finland are probably the places with the least ties to the USA politically, even if they are tied to them militarily and economically.

    • Johny Conspiranoid

      Vivian O’Blivian
      Some in the EU may want what Merkel wants but will they get their way? The EU has American embassies too.

    • Bayard

      “Europe will reset its relations with the rest of the world on European terms rather than Atlanticist terms.”
      I’ll believe that when the US bases in Europe are closed down.

  • Iawel

    A country inhabited by people endlessly playing the victim. If you actually believe that god chose these people then i feel sorry for you. This nonsense has gone on long enough. Coming from eastern europe, being forced to convert to judaism does not make them biblical Hebrews. People cannot seem to address that. One of the largest frauds in human history. The BBC is answerable to no one even the Prime Minister, it is like its own little country doing as they wish. Oh, and things are not going to get better, they are going to get worse, much worse. Sorry.

    • Ken Kenn

      The Israeli State ( and I emphasise the word State- those people that run it ) is different than the whole of world Jewry.

      Some practice – some don’t and that is true of any religion as are sects of any religion.

      This State claims to represent the whole of the world’s Jewish people – plainly it doesn’t, just as much as Trump doesn’t represent the whole of the world’s Christian religion.

      This annoys scholars like Norman Finkelstein with good reason.

      Jeremy Bowen interviewed a believer in this type of State and the believer said that God gave them this land.

      Bowen let it go unchallenged.

      Finkelstein would have challenged it.

      The fact is that racism is racism and we are trying to come to terms with what this means.

      But if those sinned against start their own type of sinning against the sinners then the game is not worth a candle.

      That is the tactic and has been for a long time.

      Notably Mr Finkelstein never gets to debate with the Israel State’s supporters -British or otherwise and you will never see him currently on the BBC or other MSM channels.

      Even worse he defended Corbyn.

      Tell’s me a lot that.

        • Marmite

          And I was pretty sure that the state was just an organ for doing the work of orthodox fanatics and colonialist corporations. The word ‘state’ is an abstraction, Ken.

  • Monteverdi
    I was amazed to see Boris Johnson had an article published in the Israel press arguing against annexation. However I was soon enraged by the motives that drove it. He did NOT condemn annexation as it would be in breach of international law. He did NOT condemn because of the effects on Palestinian lives. He did NOT condemn because this would further implant apartheid into the OPT that has all but been annexed for the last 53 years with a growing Israeli illegal settlement programme over the years. No his article condemned the annexation because it would be a GIFT to critics of Israel ! ( See above Daily Fail article link.) Is this what is defined as a ‘ inverted morality ‘ ?

  • Harry Law

    The issue here is whether it is anti-Semitic to criticize the state of Israel and/or an official organ of that state, the security services, the The Labour party made this plain when agreeing to accept the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism by insisting on the caveat that, “this will not in any way undermine freedom of expression on Israel or the rights of Palestinians”. The Labour party said this caveat is intended to reassure members they can be critical of Israel without being anti-Semitic.
    Jon Lansman, Chair of Momentum and Labour NEC member, said:
    “Sacking Rebecca Long-Bailey for sharing an interview in the Independent with one of Britain’s most loved actors is a reckless overreaction.
    I’m a Jewish member of Labour’s National Executive Committee who has sat on countless panels adjudicating antisemitism complaints and has often been criticised for my tough approach to antisemitism on the left.
    I don’t believe there is anything antisemitic in the interview and sacking Rebecca is a reckless overreaction by Keir Starmer”.
    Put another way Saudi Arabia and Iran are Muslim states officially 100% in SA and 99% in Iran would it be Islamophobic to criticize these states? Obviously not, a ludicrous proposition, yet Sir Kier Starmer seems to have rejected Labour party policy and is saying in effect it is anti-Semitic to criticize Israel and by logical extension Islamophobic to criticize Saudi Arabia and Iran, that is why the Labour party is in such a mess.

    • Antonym

      Keep ignoring that there is only one Jewish state in the world while there are dozens of Islamic and Christian ones. Keep ignoring that there are only a few million Jews on Earth, while Muslims and Christians counts are over a billion. You can criticize Israel fairly in proportion to those numbers, so say 1 article on Israel’s mistakes for every few dozen about the misdeeds of Islamic states, or Christian inspired mayhem. Be unbiased.

      • J

        You might as well argue there should be a Zoroastrian state on the same basis, kick a few million people out of their country and kill or imprison the rest in order to create one. You have no argument for colonialism other than the true one, that you benefit from it in some way and wish to continue doing so.

      • Republicofscotland

        “Keep ignoring that there is only one Jewish”

        How would it even be possible to ignore it, a state stolen through murder and oppression, a state promised to by one party, to another, knowing fine well it belonged to a third party. A state that’s seen by many from the outside as an apartheid state, at state that has over 225 UN Resolutions on it. A state that’s about
        to incite more violence and bloodshed by stealing parts of the West Bank from the oppressed Palestinians, and in the process kill the only chance for a two-state solution in the future.

      • Squeeth

        States don’t profess religion you nincompoop and the zionist occupation of Palestine is an antisemitic obscenity, obviously.

    • Bayard

      “this will not in any way undermine freedom of expression on Israel or the rights of Palestinians”.
      The cynic in me says that this statement was made to encourage those critical of Israel to speak out, so that they can be known and accordingly dealt with.

    • Rhys Jaggar

      Keir Starmer did a whole bunch of deals to get funded and media support for his eleciton.

      Do not expect him to behave with honour, nor with the UK’s interests primarily at heart.

      He got into bed with Israel, Murdoch and plenty of others and now he has to sing for his supper.

  • Republicofscotland

    Johnson is expected to appease Sedwell by nominating him as candidate for the next Nato Secretary-General, though Jens Stoltenberg isn’t expected to stand down until 2022. Stoltenberg is expected to retire after a eight year tenure, sources claim Johnson will not follow through on his claim to help Sedwell obtain the post.

  • Courtenay Barnett

    Harry Law,

    ” Sir Kier Starmer seems to have rejected Labour party policy and is saying in effect it is anti-Semitic to criticize Israel and by logical extension Islamophobic to criticize Saudi Arabia and Iran, that is why the Labour party is in such a mess.”

    Starmer is so bought and paid for – so settle in for the ride as has been had with ol’ Tony Blair. Same ride; differently named driver.

    • Mark Golding

      Yes Courtenay I agree Starmer had already sold his soul to the Zionist lobby.

      He said, “I do support Zionism,” he later told Jewish News. “I absolutely support the right of Israel to exist as a homeland. My only concern is that Zionism can mean slightly different things to different people, and… to some extent it has been weaponized. I wouldn’t read too much into that. I said it loud and clear — and meant it — that I support Zionism without qualification.”

      • Mark Golding

        Starmer will jump into Netanyahu’s lap when he authorises his terror regime to permanently seize more swathes of the Palestinian territories they illegally occupy.

      • Laguerre

        I certainly agree that Starmer has probably sold his soul to the Zionist Lobby; his wife is Jewish. It would be unreasonable to expect otherwise.

        However it is necessary to make a judgement. He looks likely to be as good a prime minister for Britain as any other prospective candidates available at the moment (all of whom are also pro-Israel). Britain is in a bad way. We need someone who has a chance to do good for Britain.

        The Palestinians will have to wait in terms of priority. Not that either Starmer’s or Johnson’s attitude towards Palestine is going to change anything. The annexation may well not take place, because Benny Gantz doesn’t agree. They’ve already lost the original date, 1st July. I’m not sure that Netanyahu has the backing.

        • Mark Golding

          A sensible assertion Laguerre, and I agree mostly with your logic albeit I cannot commit my trust to this man knowing his rulings on torture and more as DPP.

          • Laguerre

            I wouldn’t put my trust in anybody for anything. However, what you do as a subordinate is not the same as what you do as chief. His CV as a lawyer is in defence of human rights.

          • Mark Golding

            Just to expand on my statement of trust for Knight of the Realm Sir Keir Starmer entirely my own intuition suggests Starmer will secure the swift return of safety for the private interests of Capitalism under an elite liberal consensus.

            The fear cabal that warped and vitiated the British Establishment has directed that Sir Starmer as PM, after the inept Covid Johnson theatre government, will, while public fear pervades, direct a drive toward a one-world government.Sir Starmer will initially entrench a reduction of democracy through further privatisation of public services, the privatisation of profit with socialised losses and a huge reduction in taxes for corporate interests. This I believe ordained by the Council on Foreign Relations through the Trilateral Commission whose membership Iraq war endorser Starmer enjoys.

            This ‘commission’ is a body forth of some of the most powerful and some of the most oppressive and destructive institutions and individuals known to man. The body’s genesis emanates from the mind and spirit of Zbigniew Brzezinski funded by the ultra-powerful David Rockefeller.

            Sir Starmer’s enablers in all this I will name. The officers or ‘knights’ that oil the direction of travel for Labour under Starmer’s leadership into government are:

            Sir Trevor Chinn. Trevor Chinn is a member of the executive committee of the British Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM) providing AIPAC with pro-Israel networks within the UK.

            Bank guru benefits reformer and multi-millionaire Martin Taylor. Taylor bankrolled the coup to take down Jeremy Corbyn. Taylor is the man said to be instrumental in the rolling out of PFI and holds a belief that there should be no ideological barriers to private sector involvement in “core” public services such as clinical and intermediate health care, the management of education and local government services.

            Lord Alli, a media guru interlocked with Murdoch and a ‘New Labour’ ‘New Britain’ disciple in a clique/cabal together with the New Labour trio of David Miliband, James Purnell and Douglas Alexander and the camarilla, Michael Gove, Culture Minister Ed Vaizey, Robert Peston, and architect of New Labour Mandelson, a close friend of Elisabeth Murdoch who said, “I work every single day to bring forward the end of [Corbyn’s] tenure in office. Every day I try to do something to rescue the Labour Party from his leadership”

            Lord Hollick Neoliberal financier, life peer and media baron. He was one of the founding backers of the New Labour think tank, the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR).

            Martin Clarke and Peter Coates who I suspect are rooted with British Intelligence, key movers who convey intelligence, deception, control, liaisons, infiltration, assassinations and East/West convergence.

            N.B. Brzezinski said, “In early times, it was easier to control a million people than to kill a million. Today, it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million…”

        • Squeeth

          The religious affiliations, professed or real of his wife is an irrelevance in this matter, to be Jewish is to be an antizionist.

        • Johny Conspiranoid

          There is no lesser evil to choose anymore. You could vote green or some other minority (not the SNP anymore, alas, if you are in Scotland). A crash in the Labour vote, post Corbyn, would clear some of the Friends of Israel out of Parliament.

  • N_

    The British ruling class is totally and utterly cynical, from the way they hand over their Palestine reporting to the state of Israel, to the way they are talking about reopening pubs but not reopening all the many NHS services they have shut down. Basically anybody who hasn’t got a posh accent who tries to get an NHS service from a lying crook called a “GP” or from the moneygrabbing scammers who run hospitals is likely to get stuck-up receptionists (most of whom probably really do live on their salaries) being especially rude to them. They are likely to be told that if they can take a sh*t by themselves then they won’t be getting any help with their health and they should stop wasting their betters’ time by asking for it. “Who do you think you are?” is the attitude. Even many who actually do have symptoms that are supposed to be typical of the latest flu-type virus that’s going round are being told to f*ck off. Old people who are already in “care” of one kind or another, though, are in a different category. After they die of the fatal pneumonia that thousands of them have been catching in care homes or hospitals, they will get “Covid-19” written on their certificates…but most of their relatives won’t be allowed to attend their funerals.

    Did I mention that billions of pounds are being given to businesses large and small even though they’re not even operating, let alone producing anything? And the government talks about a “we love the proles” “New Deal” which is basically another 2008-style bank bailout but bigger.

    Who do we think will pay for all this?

    I’m in favour of a New Deal if it goes along with a huge increase in the top rate of income tax, the nationalisation of the banks, a 100% land development tax, 100% inheritance tax on the part of any estate in excess of say £5 million, and an immediate consideration of all “beneficial” interests as “legal” interests.

    The proles are viewed as animalistic heathens whose main basic need that has been unassuaged for a few months has been a need to goff booze down their gullets in pubs. Not anything health-related or anything like that. In actual fact the proportion of the population who go to a pub more than once a fortnight is tiny. Which newspaper do you read, or which political party do you support, if you want the reopening of health services to be some kind of “issue”?

    Which newspaper do you read if you even want to ask who has made money out of Covid-19? Is there a Scottish leftwing one? LOL!

    Meanwhile the Daily Mail talks about “tidal waves” and the Scottish government doesn’t deny reports that it may seek to lock up any English person who enters Scotland for 14 days for “public health” reasons.

    • Mary

      N_ I disagree completely with your summation of the NHS. I worked for it as did a brother as a surgeon for 40 years. I owe my life to it. Try the American system where you show your credit card when arriving at ‘Emergency’. In my experience, GPs are not ‘lying crooks’. I speak as I find.

      • Marmite

        I hope you are right Mary. I too believe that the NHS was a great thing. But I suppose the worry is that GPs are no longer able to offer their services in an equitable way any more, because of the way those parasitical management zombies have infiltrated health services.

    • Rhys Jaggar

      Look, the time has come when ‘reading newspapers’ is solely for the sheeple.

      You as an independent thinker have to seek out independent thinkers and help their discussion fora to grow. I simply do not read any MSM newspapers any more and I have given up reading the BBC website as well. I do look at the BBC weather, but it too is getting pretty inaccurate.

  • N_

    The British regime is about to give working class school pupils one HELL of a going over…

    From the regime’s “school reopening plan”:

    Schools should work with those pupils who may struggle to reengage in school and are at risk of being absent and/or persistently disruptive, including providing support for overcoming barriers to attendance and behaviour and to help them reintegrate back into school life.

    Be bloody scared whenever an official says they want to “work with” you. It’s code.

    “Support for overcoming barriers to attendance and behaviour” is probably code for isolating children who have been labelled as behaviourally problematic into some kind of detention “sin bin”.

    We acknowledge that some pupils will return to school having been exposed to a range of adversity and trauma including bereavement, anxiety and in some cases increased welfare and safeguarding risks. This may lead to an increase in social, emotional and mental health concerns

    • Marmite

      The way the govt has handled education over the last five months should alone have been enough to cause outrage. All but those in snot-nosed private schools have been abandoned. But then, what better way to keep the people submissive than to render their children as dumb as possible? All part of the plan?

      Half a century ago, this would have been a source of great national shame. But these days, countries no longer compete on ideological grounds, because in a world where socialism has been murdered, nations compete instead to be as hideous as possible. Because there are no consequences.

  • Pyewacket

    Reported on Zerohedge that Ghislane Maxwell has been arrested in New Hampshire by the FBI on Epstein related charges. Although, before folk let their hopes about delivered justice spiral out of control. The article mentions the sweetheart deal dirty Jeff did with prosecutors in 2007, that gave immunity to both named and unnamed associates…

    • OnlyHalfALooney

      I do not think it is possible to grant immunity for criminal acts committed in the future. In other words, any crimes committed after the deal would not be covered by the deal.

      This could be very awkward for House of Windsor. Maxwell’s best chance of spending the rest of her life in prison is to cooperate with the prosecutors and testify against all of Epstein’s “friends”. She’s in that photo with Epstein, Andrew Windsor and Virginia Giuffre. She knows everything. Will Ghislaine Maxwell take the rap alone? A second “suicide” would be a very unlikely coincidence. But who knows? The stakes may be extremely high for some wealthy and powerful people who don’t want to end up like Harvey Weinstein.

    • nevermind

      will she die of some affliction/covid 19/lack of air whilst being held in custody before she will be asked to speak out in court and or be facing a life prison sentence.
      Lets see how much of a ‘friend’ (Edward speaking of her) she really is. will these two paedo friends/pimps be really defending each other?
      something tells me that she will be getting some mental affliction a la Pinochet, unable to be getting a fair trial.
      fair trials for scum and unfair trials for free speech seem to be the Atlanticist normal working justice these days.

      • OnlyHalfALooney

        It’s interesting isn’t it that the media focuses on Andrew Windsor, while the Clintons were much more involved and was/are personal friends with Ghislaine Maxwell, even inviting her to Chelsea’s wedding. Of course, Andrew is an easy target because he’s a bit on the stupid side and doesn’t have any real power or influence at all.

        And just look how long it took for the MSM to cover the Epstein scandal at all.

        • Ingwe

          I don’t know whether Andrew Windsor is involved or not. But I would expect the BBC, which always asserts, in the normal bizarre attempt at “balance”, that AW has offered to assist the prosecution on thee occasions to ask what those overtures of assistance comprised of and why haven’t they been accepted. Similarly, this morning on the truly awful Today program, when the US prosecuting attorney was being interviewed and who said that AW should help, no one thought to tell the attorney that AW had offered to assist, on three occasions, and to ask why these offers haven’t been taken up. Unless of course, the truth is that no offers have been made and the BBC want to avoid adding further to his royal highness’s embarrassment.

          • OnlyHalfALooney

            “his royal highness”

            Ha ha. That made me laugh…

            The BBC might think it’s an embarrassment but Andrew might well be indicted for conspiracy to transport a minor over state lines for illicit purposes.

  • Border Bus

    “Edinburghs filthy streets”
    Absolutely and (The world famous Rose Street) just a macdonalds bag and two plastic bottle throws from Bute House.
    She cant even sort that out.

    • Border Bus

      FM – Gullane – July 12th 2015 – A million miles from Edinburghs filthy streets – Why are you there?

      • Border Bus

        FM – Who are your favourite golfers and tell us some of your golfing stories.

  • vin_ot

    The BBC is the propaganda arm of a far longer established rogue state. One that is still openly pirating other countries’ treasure in the 2020s, sanctioned by ENGLISH LAW as well as the BBC.

  • doug scorgie

    Border Bus
    July 2, 2020 at 16:53
    “Edinburghs filthy streets”

    “Absolutely and (The world famous Rose Street) just a macdonalds bag and two plastic bottle throws from Bute House.”
    She cant even sort that out.”

    Border Bus, It’s been a couple of years since I was in Edinburgh but I wouldn’t describe Edinburgh’s streets as filthy. I know Rose Street used to be a bit of a “Red Light” district many years ago and may have been strewn with litter but that is no longer the case unless something has changed since I was last there.

  • Cubby

    The persecution of Alex Salmond by people in the SNP has put me off marmalade for the rest of my life. I just can’t face looking at it at breakfast and now stick to strawberry jam. I blame you as well Craig Murray – just joking.

    Best wishes again Craig for the upcoming legal action.

  • fwl

    There are some posters on here who appear knowledgable when it comes to Israeli and Western imperialism and immoral and illegal actions, but when it comes to Russia and China they are wilfully blind. What is the point of posting comments that HK students are just worried about the right to shop and asking what have they got to fear -really?

    This is a left wing blog and although Craig is prone to polemic and I disagree with much of what he says he deserves respect for having taken a stand and not least because he is honest enough to say things which are unpopular amongst his followers. In fact CM’s willingness to speak out where it is not wanted and regardless of the cost to himself is his defining characteristic. Sometimes that is to governments and sometimes it is to his own supporters.

    I compare this blog with Zero Hedge. ZH is a right wing libertarian platform with advertising, several writers and always banging on about economic disaster and the need to buy gold etc. So it’s coming from a very different angle, but sometimes the views meet in opposing Western imperialism and oppressive state interventions. If you keep on reading ZH you tend to note that its disappointingly always on its message and you can’t tell when it’s bullshitting you with propaganda and when it’s worth paying attention to. So you lose interest in its same old same old…..

    CM will go off message and it is for that reason that he is worth paying attention to. People who stay on message are either blind / not thinking things through, useful idiots, or misguided zealots, but in any event it’s difficult to distinguish what is worth listening to from what is propaganda. It’s a shame that some people here are always on their message banging a drum.

    In other words if you’re always singing the same tune people stop listening.

    • vin_ot

      There is much more to what is happening in HK than western state and corporate media allows.

      The Grayzone: Category: Hong Kong

      • Hong Kong’s ‘pro-democracy’ movement allies with far-right US politicians that seek to crush Black Lives Matter
      • Hong Kong’s opposition unites with Washington hardliners to ‘preserve the US’s own political and economic interests’
      • Behind a made-for-TV Hong Kong protest narrative, Washington is backing nativism and mob violence
    • Marmite


      I haven’t seen anyone wilfully blind to the awful oppression in Russia and China here.

      What I have seen are people seeking to expose hypocrisies, and dismantle mainstream narratives that are wilffully untruthful, and designed with no other purpose than to manipulate the public and make things easy for simpletons.

      You might be the one who is blind? Possibly on account of reading too much of that sick stuff you mention?

    • David

      when it comes to Russia and China they are wilfully blind

      No, I for one applaud comrade Putie’s 108% vote in favor of him becoming president-for-life, with just the NED (presumably?) funded Navalny as the single opposition vote against…./sarc

      @fwl (Objective) Newspapers are reporting that the NED (National Endowment for Democratic presidents, apparently, not orange ones) and the US Agency for Global Media have a budget for the HK protests of several million dollars this last years. Time magazine reports that accidentally some new Trumpie Manglement revealed that $£€¥$$$ fact, channeled via Congress through the Open Technology Fund (+Washington funding of “Signal” app etc, “for bypassing Chinese surveillance techniques”) and funding of the “Hong-Kong payouts”from the “Rapid-Response Fund” , for umbrellas?, can get wet in that nice part of China. I do wish relative peace & freedom for all Chinese, Russian and all other citizens, not blindly, but accurately.

      • Fwl

        Dissidents will often face issues about who they turn to for assistance. They have to reflect on that. Students in HK will know about the Opium Wars and the history of Western intervention in China and elsewhere, but they also know what happened during the Cultural Revolution, at Tianaman Square and what happens to dissidents in China and what is happening with the Uighers.

        China of course is entitled to be concerned about international rivalry and unorthodox or covert strategies, but that does not mean that the students do not have very legitimate and serious issues.

        • Marmite

          The only response to this very telling image is:

          ‘No, we live in a country of homophobic, penis-deficient, bad-dressing, racist, gun-toting Nazis who have no concept of manners or respect, and completely lack the acuity to get the definition of communism right’.

          Surely not indicative of all Americans, I know, but might as well be, since the better ones out there obviously seem too awfully complacent to care much about their foreign image.

        • Johny Conspiranoid

          ” know what happened during the Cultural Revolution, at Tianaman Square and what happens to dissidents in China and what is happening with the Uighers. ”
          What did happen and how do they know?

      • Republicofscotland

        Good points David, it was the CIA’ s Bill Casey who thought of using (NED) as a tool, though I think it was the RAND corporation who first developed the technique to overthrow regimes around the globe.

        They (Colour Revolutions and NGO’s) get their money from Congress and USAID, a well known CIA backed one was the 2004 Orange revolution in Ukraine, as was the 2003 Rose revolution in Georgia. Hillary Clinton as US Secretary of State was said to have used the template to launch the Arab Spring uprising (NED) was also involved with other NGO’s and possibly the Soros Foundation.

  • doug scorgie

    July 2, 2020 at 22:35

    “The religious affiliations, professed or real of his wife is an irrelevance in this matter…”
    Yes Squeeth I agree entirely. But I can’t accept your other point:

    “…to be Jewish is to be an antizionist.”

    It is the anti-Zionists that are being expelled from the Labour Party, including Jewish anti-Zionists.
    Criticism of Israel’s actions against the Palestinians and criticism of Zionism is de-facto anti-Semitism.

    • Laguerre

      Having been the one who provoked Squeeth’s outraged anger about the irrelevance of religious affiliations, I think I should say that I did not refer to Mrs Starmer’s religious beliefs, but to her membership of an earthly human community. Squeeth is confusing the two. An earthly human community which is reputed for putting pressure on its members to conform to its interests. Netanyahu is well known for saying Jews should support Israel. Of course the individual may resist that pressure, which may be strong or may be weak in different circumstances, or may conform to the rules, but lots born in that world have referred to the existence of that pressure. I have no idea about Starmer’s wife’s position there, but there will certainly be pressure on her.

    • Squeeth

      Zionism was invented as a replacement for Judaism, you don’t get more antisemite than that. I suggest that you compare what people say with what they do. Some people who are zionist antisemites call themselves Jews, they aren’t, they are fools, frauds, lairs, hypocrites or apostates.

    • Bayard

      “Criticism of Israel’s actions against the Palestinians and criticism of Zionism is de-facto anti-Semitism.”

      Since anti-semitism doesn’t mean being an antipathy to Semites, since all Arabs are Semites as well as Jews, it, like any other word in English, carries the meaning most commonly intended when it is used. Like most other words on the language, that meaning has changed over time. It used to mean “antipathy towards Jews”, but now it means “antipathy towards Jews and/or the State of Israel”. Insisting on the earlier usage is like insisting “gay” can only mean “happy and carefree”.

      • Dawg

        Yeah that’s effectively what the IHRA definition means, so anybody who accepts those ludicrous rules uses the word “antisemitism” (or “anti-Semitism”) in that newer, wider sense. But it’s not what everybody means by it. As a result many debates are at cross purposes; and the only purpose they serve is to make people cross.

        • Bayard

          Perhaps any debate on a matter touching on anti-semitism should always be opened with the question, “are we using the new or the old definition here?”.

          • Giyane


            I don’t agree with the premise of the question. Israel is illegitimate under apartheid or colonialism. Israel is only legitimate as a pluralist democracy in which all citizens are equally franchised and equal in their religious opinions.

            Democratic majorities are influenced by Chlamydia. Some cultures are therefore able to breed faster than others. Hence Israel is not a democracy. It wouldn’t survive 5 years if it ever decided to try it. Israel can only survive as a fascist apartheid. And by the support of bankers like Trump and Bojo.

  • Jeremy+Smith

    Sorry, off-topic but do you think the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell could give the Americans an ace-hand in their efforts to get Julian Assange deported – a quid pro quo for leaving Andrew alone ?

    • Pyewacket

      Jeremy, I don’t see that their efforts need any help at all from that quarter. Julian’s extradition appears to be already sorted, apart from some legal dotting of I’s and crossing of t’s. Apparently the Mail are reporting that La Maxwell is facing 35 years, and could go down the plea bargain route, by naming names. Interesting times ahead indeed…will she grass up the Brit royal, but keep schtum about the Yankee royal’s involvement. Elsewhere, there are plenty of wags, humorously claiming that he suicide is scheduled for next Tuesday.

      • OnlyHalfALooney

        Isn’t it curious that Anne Sacoolas and Vanessa Baraitser have one thing in common: You can’t find anything about them on the web. It’s almost as if they never had an actual life or friends, or everything has been mysteriously erased.

  • Sarge

    Think I’m warming to the Q-Anon/ John Goss view of the world.

    “My wife and I were introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell by Sir Evelyn and Lady Lynne de Rothschild, and we subsequently met her on several occasions – generally in the presence of prominent people such as Bill and Hillary Clinton, Nobel Prize-winning scientists, presidents of universities, and prominent academic and business people. We never saw her do anything inappropriate. We knew her only as Jeffrey Epstein’s thirty-something girlfriend.”

    • OnlyHalfALooney


      Has Dershowitz been sitting on the Queen’s throne too?

      Does Dershowitz also have a “sweating problem” too?

    • Mary

      Sir Evelyn de Rothschild and his third wife, Lynn Forester, are great friends of the Clintons. She is an American lawyer. They met at a Bilderberg conference. His personal net worth is said to be £20 billion. [paywall]
      ‘The Rothschilds were reported to have spent a night of their honeymoon at the Clinton White House. Indeed, Lady de Rothschild was so involved with Hillary’s presidential campaign that she had little time to devote to R Chocolate. But she is on the board, as well as serving as chair of EL Rothschild, a director of Estée Lauder, the cosmetics company, and a non-executive director of the Economist Group. “I love developing businesses,” she says.’

      Photo of the foursome on the link. [ Alternatively at Getty Images ]

      • OnlyHalfALooney

        Sir Eveyln Rothschild is the Queen’s “personal financial advisor”.

        If this was all in a conspiracy theory book I’d dismiss it all as the work of a fantasist. Especially as “the Rothschilds” are involved.

        I wonder what Dershowitz is really telling us. Is he saying: “If I go down, I’ll take the the whole shebang down with me.”?

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