Protecting the Nazis: The Extraordinary Vote of Ukraine and the USA 459

This is verbatim from the official report of the UN General Assembly plenary of 16 December 2021:

The Assembly next took up the report on “Elimination of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance”, containing two draft resolutions.

By a recorded vote of 130 in favour to 2 against (Ukraine, United States), with 49 abstentions, the Assembly then adopted draft resolution I, “Combating glorification of Nazism, neo‑Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance”.

By its terms, the Assembly expressed deep concern about the glorification of the Nazi movement, neo‑Nazism and former members of the Waffen SS organization, including by erecting monuments and memorials, holding public demonstrations in the name of the glorification of the Nazi past, the Nazi movement and neo‑Nazism, and declaring or attempting to declare such members and those who fought against the anti‑Hitler coalition, collaborated with the Nazi movement and committed war crimes and crimes against humanity “participants in national liberation movements”.

Further, the Assembly urged States to eliminate all forms of racial discrimination by all appropriate means, including through legislation, urging them to address new and emerging threats posed by the rise in terrorist attacks incited by racism, xenophobia and other forms of intolerance, or in the name of religion or belief. It would call on States to ensure that education systems develop the necessary content to provide accurate accounts of history, as well as promote tolerance and other international human rights principles. It likewise would condemn without reservation any denial of or attempt to deny the Holocaust, as well as any manifestation of religious intolerance, incitement, harassment or violence against persons or communities on the basis of ethnic origin or religious belief.

In Ukraine, support for the Ukrainian nationalist divisions who fought alongside the Nazis has become, over the last eight years, the founding ideology of the modern post 2013 Ukrainian state (which is very different from the diverse Ukrainian state which briefly existed 1991-2013). The full resolution on nazism and racism passed by the General Assembly is lengthy, unnzaires but these provisions in particular were voted against by the United States and by the Ukraine:

6. Emphasizes the recommendation of the Special Rapporteur that “any commemorative celebration of the Nazi regime, its allies and related organizations, whether official or unofficial, should be prohibited by States”, also emphasizes that such manifestations do injustice to the memory of the countless victims of the Second World War and negatively influence children and young people, and stresses in this regard that it is important that States take measures, in accordance with international human rights law, to counteract any celebration of the Nazi SS organization and all its integral parts, including the Waffen SS;

7. Expresses concern about recurring attempts to desecrate or demolish monuments erected in remembrance of those who fought against Nazism during the Second World War, as well as to unlawfully exhume or remove the remains of such persons, and in this regard urges States to fully comply with their relevant obligations, inter alia, under article 34 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949;

10. Condemns without reservation any denial or attempt to deny the Holocaust;

11. Welcomes the call of the Special Rapporteur for the active preservation of those Holocaust sites that served as Nazi death camps, concentration and forced labour camps and prisons, as well as his encouragement of States to take measures, including legislative, law enforcement and educational measures, to put an end to all forms of Holocaust denial

As reported in the Times of Israel, hundreds took part in a demonstration in Kiev in May 2021, and others throughout Ukraine, in honour of a specific division of the SS. That is but one march and one division – glorification of its Nazi past is a mainstream part of Ukrainian political culture.

In 2018 a bipartisan letter by 50 US Congressmen condemned multiple events commemorating Nazi allies held in Ukraine with official Ukrainian government backing.

There are no two ways about it. The Ukrainian vote against the UN resolution against Nazism was motivated by sympathy for the ideology of historic, genocide active Nazis. It is as simple as that.

The United States claims that its vote against was motivated by concern for freedom of speech. We have the Explanation of Vote that the United States gave at the committee stage:

The United States Supreme Court has consistently affirmed the constitutional right to freedom of speech and the rights of peaceful assembly and association, including by avowed Nazis

That sounds good and noble. But consider this – why does the United States Government believe that avowed Nazis have freedom of speech, but that Julian Assange does not? You can have freedom of speech to advocate the murder of Jews and immigrants, but not to reveal US war crimes?

Why was the United States government targeting journalists in the invasion of Iraq? The United States believes in freedom of speech when it serves its imperial interests. It does not do so otherwise. This is the very worst kind of high sounding hypocrisy, in aid of defending the Nazis in Ukraine.

The second reason the United States gives is that Russia is making the whole thing up:

a document most notable for its thinly veiled attempts to legitimize Russian disinformation campaigns denigrating neighboring nations and promoting the distorted Soviet narrative of much of contemporary European history, using the cynical guise of halting Nazi glorification

The problem here is that it is very difficult to portray the Times of Israel or 50 bipartisan US congressmen as a Russian disinformation campaign. There is no historical doubt whatsoever of Ukrainian nationalist forces active support of Nazism and participation in genocide, not just of Jews and Roma but of Poles and religious minorities. There is no doubt whatsoever of the modern glorification in Ukraine of these evil people.

It is of course not just Ukraine. In Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania the record of collaboration with Nazis, of active participation in fighting for Nazis, and in active participation in genocide is extremely shaming. Throughout Eastern Europe there is a failure in these “victim nations” to look history squarely in the eye and to admit what happened – a failure the United States in actually promoting as “a campaign against Russian disinformation”.

I recommend to you the website, run by the admirable David Katz, which is a large and valuable resource on this website from a Lithuanian Jewish perspective that cannot remotely be dismissed as Russian or left wing propaganda. The front page currently features the December 2021 naming of a square in the capital after Lithuanian “freedom fighter” Juokas Luksa “Daumantas”, a man who commenced the massacre of Jews in Vilnius ahead of the arrival of German forces.

These are precisely the kind of commemorations the resolution is against. There has been a rash of destruction of Soviet war memorials and even war graves, and erection of commemorations, in various form, of Nazis throughout the Baltic states. That is what paras 6 and 7 of the resolution refer to, and there is no doubt whatsoever of the truth of these events. It is not “Russian disinformation”.

However the European Union, in support of its Baltic states members and their desire to forget or deny historical truth and to build a new national myth expunging their active role in the genocide of their Jewish and Roma populations, would not support the UN Resolution on Nazism. The EU countries abstained, as did the UK. The truth of course is that NATO intends to use the descendants of Eastern European racists against Russia much as Hitler did, at least in a cold war context.

You won’t find that in the Explanation of Vote.


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459 thoughts on “Protecting the Nazis: The Extraordinary Vote of Ukraine and the USA

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    • ET

      That no one is listening is not the fault of freedom of expression. If freedom of expression is curtailed what you are allowed to hear will also, compulsorily and unpreventably, be curtailed.
      As many utterences of odious values the right to freedom of expression has given rise to there are many more instances where that same right has led to humanity moving one step closer to a better world. Meddle with it at your peril.

  • Tatyana

    🙂 people have fun of all this warmongering bs. Look what they are talking about on Pikabu:

    “A friend from Kiev is calling me, I’m in Simferopol.
    – well, so are you going to invade or not?
    – sorry friend, so busy at the moment, let’s do it later.
    – ok, I’m asking because we are laying on the table for the New Year party. Just to make sure, are we to do +1, or should we not be waiting for you.
    It’s good to have adequate friends, with a sense of humor, in spite of any world stupidity”

    13k likes and funniest comments:

    “It seems to have been postponed to February. Today I read in UkrMedia. American intelligence reported. So tell your friend that you celebrate the 23rd as well”
    “American intelligence can be trusted, the lads are big there. Not like ours, the invasion is coming soon, and they are completely unaware”

  • Baron

    Happy New Year, Mr. Murray, and many thanks for your work, let’s hope the coming 2022 will a year sans a war anywhere.

  • Roger

    On the day that Queen Elizabeth II awarded a senior knighthood to Tony Blair, just be grateful that she can’t award one to Daumantas posthumously.

    • Xavi

      They haven’t knighted him for the Sure Start centres or NHS spending either. It is reward for Iraq and for cementing in Thatcherism.

    • Jimmy Riddle

      Roger – you never know; she might slice his head off by mistake.

      Happy new year to all here.

    • shatnersrug

      Hi guys, there’s a petition to have this knighthood for Blair rescinded, now I realise, as I’m sure you all do that this will have no sway on the queen’s decision or on the government in general, however I think it important.

      Blair’s political style is much aped by the current political establishment, in fact everyone from Sturgeon to Starmer and even Johnson seem to consider Blair the gold standard for international arseholery. So presenting a petition with hundreds of thousands if not millions of cosignatories will at least show that he is not thought of nationally as the messiah, but in fact possibly the most despised politician of the modern era.

  • Republicofscotland

    The queen to give the war criminal Tony Blair a knighthood, who says crime doesn’t pay.

    • Clark

      This looks like conspiracy theory to me.

      Robert Wursthaus, you seem to be accusing Whitty and Van Tam of “lying for the state”. I don’t follow current affairs so if they’d told any lies I wouldn’t know, but it seems unlikely that that’s what you mean. You seem to mean that covid is a big hoax, in which case it isn’t the state they’d have been lying for; it’s some vast, global conspiracy that controls science, the medical community, council statisticians, and presumably me.

      Covid has killed vast numbers of people, and left far more with so far permanent damage. It has killed two people I knew personally. A friend of mine was working in a care home as it killed twenty residents in a single month. The sort of conspiracy theory you seem to be promoting is disrespectful and objectionable.

      If I were Whitty or Van Tam I would decline state ‘honours’, as much not to be classed with Blair as anything else, but that is no excuse for you to class them with the war criminal. And when it comes to lies, denying covid surpasses even Blair’s best efforts.

  • portside

    Sir Jimmy Saville
    Rolf Harris CBE
    Stuart Hall OBE
    Harvey Weinstein CBE
    Sir Fred Goodwin
    Sir Benito Mussolini
    Sir Rudi Giuliani
    Sir Philip Green
    Sir Richard Branson
    Sir Alan Sugar
    Sir Malcom Rifkind
    Sir Keir Starmer

    Disgracefully overdue but at long last ..
    Arise Sir Tony

    • DunGroanin

      Sir Kier and his Wormtongue ‘sick Bob’ Yo Blair! are getting ready to bail Randy Andy – that deal was done in 2019 with collusion by media millionaire Barbies working for their Billionaire overlords getting the royal fart to hog the news cycle for a week, right in the middle of a December general election fix; just as the Labour manifesto announcements were making major impact upon the populace. There’s nothing like a Royal story for the English attention to be easily distracted (except a terrorist incident)

      Time to kick the lil old lady in the goolies and pay serious attention to the very clear , plain english statements of actual leaders of China and Russia in the last few weeks – clearly aimed at the never ending Great Gamer Aristos and their Bankers.

      We are 30 days from the latest folly by nato imperialists that will result in much death and destruction in Europe again. Which circles back to Blair and Clinton’s destruction of Yugoslavia!

      Happy New Year folks.

      • Giyane


        Yugoslavia was a cold , unfriendly, soulless, outcast of Soviet Communism. It was locked into a grey past history of atheism, which opposed every aspect of the country’s diverse religious history including a vibrant European Muslim Culture and both Orthodox and Catholic branches of Christisnity, Judaism etc.

        In the time of the Ottoman Empire Istanbul looked to Balkans Muslims for its leading intellectuals , because Europeans mentality is very different to the slash and burn Islam.of Ghenghis Khan. Always has been and always will be. The antecedents of most British Muslims are from the Tartar legacy of the Mughal Empire. Totally different from European culture.

        Your Queen’s advisors were probably much more scared of the threat posed by a European highly intellectual version of Islam in the Balkans, then the threat of Communism. And they used Al Qaida , slash and burn Islam, to destroy that threat to their spiritually dead populations.

        You know the one thing I can’t stand about Western Democracy? The constant commercial breaks claiming that we are the sole custodians of civilisation. Like supporting the freedom of expression of Neo Nazis.
        How can it be that the UK abstained from signing this anti Nazi resolution? Something very sinister about this current UK administration, that they are Zionists but simultaneously won’t condemn Nazism.

        • DunGroanin

          But as Livingston was misreported as saying, but is the actual truth, Nazis and Zionists cooperated from well before WW2 to achieve the stated aim of the Balfour Contract extracted from the Crown during WW1 and immediately published around the world (in the middle of a war) so that the Yanks could come over and pretend to win.

          Unless we clearly state and restate actual events in history the fairytales will be embellished and we will be ignorant pantomime watchers.

    • Giyane

      A camera on one of Blair’s smart motorways flashed me last night speeding at 45 mph on the M1. Somebody up ahead had come a cropper on the converted hard shoulder. His original idea was to charge for using motorways. That , and Boris’s non existent HS2 beyond Birmingham will soon divide the nation into the haves and have nots.
      Meanwhile I get clobbered and the other guy gets mown down.

  • Tatyana

    That what is going on in Ukraine is not a historians’ dispute on the events that have passed long ago. It’s also not a manifestation of freedom of speech for everyone. It is indeed the public acceptance of Nazi ideology.
    A torchlight march in honor of Bandera took place in the Ukrainian capital yesterday. More than 3,000 people participated and the police report that there were no incidents, which means that no one showed any displeasure.
    Only poor jews try to express their disgust in their Israel Embassy twitter

    This is indeed the adoption of ideology at the government level; back in 2015, their president issued a law on social guarantees for those who collaborated with Hitler. They also established a state holiday back in 2018 to celebrate Bandera’s birthday.

    Interesting twist of history would it be, if Ukraine becomes a NATO member. I imagine at some point a war begins, and you’ll be fighting on the Nazi’s side this time 🙂

  • Tatyana

    The war seems very likely. The United States and Britain already have their bases in Ukraine and are going to build more.
    Look at how propaganda works: Ukraine has a National Security Council, and its head Aleksey Danilov says: “Kiev does not record a critical build-up of Russian troops near the borders of Ukraine”

    At the same time, an article in Bloomberg authored by two American and one British journalist: “U.S. Warns Europe That Russian Troops May Plan Ukraine Invasion”

    • nevermind

      If everything you created is too complicated and societies are crumbling under the pressures of unsustainable finance and environmental ravages, one can decide to start talking and cooperating globally vis diplomacy and sharing to support each other.
      This could lead to political instability and the powers that dare not lose the reins, might lose elections.
      And then they have the option to confuse obfuscate and lie, make up threats and create agent provocateur actions to create a war situation, in which Governments shut down all our democratic rights and make out that they are in the national interest.
      Declaring war to save one sorry-looking backside fits perfectly in the mindset of scoundrels and failed politicians.
      This scrambling to replace useless Johnson with an equally useless Liz Truss will not change anything but increase the latter of two options.

      Happy new year to all, much thanks for the many links. Take care.

  • frankywiggles

    “The United States claims that its vote against was motivated by concern for freedom of speech. That sounds good and noble. But consider this – why does the United States Government believe that avowed Nazis have freedom of speech, but that Julian Assange does not? You can have freedom of speech to advocate the murder of Jews and immigrants, but not to reveal US war crimes?

    Why was the United States government targeting journalists in the invasion of Iraq? The United States believes in freedom of speech when it serves its imperial interests. It does not do so otherwise. This is the very worst kind of high sounding hypocrisy, in aid of defending the Nazis in Ukraine.”

    So obvious you would think it hardly needed rehearsing. But I see even some of your own readers are still promoting the idea the empire is hamstrung by the goodness and nobility of its constitution. How much more clearly do you need to present reality to get through to these people?

    • ET

      The blatant hypocrisy demonstrated by states/governments/administrations and other bodies does not in and of itself undermine the concept of freedom of expression. The concept remains regardless. Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, enshrined in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

      Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

      Drafted by representatives with different legal and cultural backgrounds from all regions of the world, the Declaration was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly in Paris on 10 December 1948 (General Assembly resolution 217 A) as a common standard of achievements for all peoples and all nations.

      “But I see even some of your own readers are still promoting the idea the empire is hamstrung by the goodness and nobility of its constitution. How much more clearly do you need to present reality to get through to these people?”

      What exactly are you trying to “get through” to “these people” that “these people” don’t already know? Do tell me how you propose to uphold article 19 whilst at the same time enacting legislation to prohibit expressing “certain” opinions, the determination of what opinions will be prohibited being made by those same state bodies you rightly accuse of demonstrating such blatant hypocrisy.

    • Tatyana

      Thanks, Courtenay.
      This colonel says they did something stupid. And in Russia we believe that we were deceived, that the West cannot be trusted and that their word is worthless.

      When Gorbachev was promised that NATO would not advance an inch to the East, there was someone, either an assistant or a translator, don’t remember the name. He told Gorbachev that these agreements should be fixed in a treaty, and Gorbachev replied that he believes the word.

      There’s a good joke:
      A man meets his friend in the street and, very surprised at his friend’s luxury clothing and accessories, he asks how did he became that rich?
      – Well, last week I accidentally dropped in a card games club. I joined a table where people played ’21’ and I wasn’t lucky at the start. Then, one of the players announced he is holding 21. I asked to lay his cards on the table, but he answered “the word of a gentleman must be trusted”. From that moment, I always had a good hand.

      • Courtenay Barnett

        This situation in Ukraine brings back to mind the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. There are similarities.
        Despite what Biden says, it does appear that the US wants Ukraine within its orbit. So, a crawling-peg embrace is taking place – from political embrace by the US – to invitation or overture(s) by NATO – to agreements – and from a US perspective hopefully Ukrainian NATO membership.
        The Russian position is like that of the US in reverse when Russia then set out with arming the missiles in Cuba bringing the world the closest it has ever come to all out nuclear war.
        As with that crisis which saw missiles being withdrawn from Turkey and likewise from Cuba, there needs to be some urgent, serious and sincere backdoor talks and dealing between the US and Russia. Escalation beyond this point, to my mind, spells war. The wider implications are that Europe ( in the sense of NATO) would be drawn into a conflagration it can hardly afford at present given all the other challenges being faced.
        Unlike your card playing gentleman who hid his hand in ‘21’ – Biden and Putin need to show both their hands and end the game as soon as possible.

        • Tatyana

          On the draft treaties, comments coming from the Western side are so strange! I can hardly understand why the Americans say ‘efficient diplomacy is non-public diplomacy’ and also seem to be infuriated with the Russian decision to publish it. Any ideas why?

          • Courtenay Barnett

            In negotiations – honesty – reasonableness – willingness to compromise ( up to a point) and a good faith desire to arrive at a solution are some of the necessary prerequisites for success.
            Seems to me that if such elements are in whole or in part or to a large extent missing – then surely transparency of the negotiations would not be desired.

  • BrianFujisan

    There’s a video that I watched a part of Yesterday – Burnt alive in Odessa (documentary) ..According to ‘ The Saker –
    ” The original video is posted here: but YouTube made it age restricted and impossible to embed. Amazingly, RuTube ALSO blocked the video.

    The Saker is correct about that..It’s quite the process trying to I.D yourself on Youtube.. I didn’t want to post it Yesterday.. But as we are back to business it were.. I certainly think some discretion may be advised..

    Burnt alive in Odessa (documentary) 27 Dec 2021 – The Saker (with embedded YouTube video, 26m 31s)

    • Tatyana

      The most heartbreaking fact about this video is that many viewers will dismiss it as russian propaganda and just move on living in that cosy world of theirs, with bad bad Russia, good good Nato, noble noble USA and funny infantile Nazis on the screen.

        • Tatyana

          I think those living in theirs cosy bubbles don’t give a f*ck.
          With Mr. Murray just reunited his family and Mr. Assange still resting in her majesty’s luxury suite, I see no one journalist wishing to interrupt his merry holidays to visit there and report on the events.

          • Twostime

            Tatyana, did you click on the link? I give a f*ck about neo-nazism and it would appear that RT is reporting on it, so good job RT and their Journalists for highlighting it. #FreeAssange #FreeStevenDonziger #FreeAlexSaab . Also if anyone is interested in watching the Odessa video @BrianFujisan linked above in full screen, try this link:

          • Tatyana

            Yes, i clicked on the link and thank you for giving your f*ck about nazis.
            Here one with English subtitles
            Ukrainians interviewed in the streets, explaining why Nazis are truly good boys.

            That was published 5 years ago and nobody in the West was giving a f*ck about it, until recently, when Putin stated clearly: “with Nato in Ukraine today we are cornered and we have nowhere to retreat”.

          • Tatyana

            More recent 5 month old video
            reports on swastika made of pavement tiles in the kids playground, Kremenchug city. And a perfect nazi salute filmed during official event and proudly published on the Lisichansk city administration website.

        • Wikikettle

          I think there are many reasons why UK US is pushing the Ukraine issue. Not just to establish bases and missiles in yet another country on Russias borders. It’s to do with “containing” Germany and preventing it becoming independent. There is a battle going on within the German establishment between those who dare to be Independent of US influence and protect German economic power. UK and France definitely don’t want Germany to be trading with Russia, and have Nord Stream 2 running. To do this they say Russian gas has to come through Ukraine. Its significant the Germany cancelled its order for the F35 jets. This was a rare challenge to US. Their new defence minister is very hawkish. I think both France and UK, when it comes to the German question, still have an ‘Entente Cordiale’. They will never allow Germany ‘a place in the sun’. Note how Japan’s economy was also muted by US. The reference for that is Prof Michael Hudson. It’s the same game being played over and over again.

          • Laguerre

            Why the French in your theory? Macron is not particularly pro-American. Rather, the EU is his thing.

        • Tatyana

          RT was closed in Germany. They had to get a license in Serbia, an EU country, to legally go on air. Now Germany says they don’t give a f*ck about Serbian license and will work to silence RT anyway.

          • Twostime

            Tatyana, believe it or not, I see where you are coming from, I have read almost all of your posts on this current topic. I have followed your thoughts since you turned up here some years ago. The Youtube video I posted was from this year – 2022 and I thought supported what you were saying. Perhaps it is a cultural misunderstanding but your responses seem to me to be very combative, I assume I misunderstand you. My very best wishes to you and yours in 2022.

          • Tatyana

            My anger is not directed at you, I’m sorry if I look like rejecting your contribution. Sorry.
            I find myself in despair, because it’s holiday time, and we with my husband were looking forward to having a great holidays. We had a hectic year, as we both are self-employed entrepreneurs, and virus impacted greatly. We tightened the belts and fulfilled our bank loans. This year we also had to do with our teenage son rebel, and also to think of his future education.
            These couple of days I thought I would be enjoying some champagne and caviar. Instead, I find myself in anticipation of war, living very close to the Ukrainian border, and so many people around just dismiss the truth as russian propaganda. That’s why I said that most people would not give a f*ck, enjoying their holidays somewhere in safe places.

          • Tatyana

            Yet I’m afraid of they may go mad! I remember Putin once said we, the Russians, will never deploy the nukes but only as a retaliation. We got some ‘dead man’s hand’ system, to nuke everything if we are attacked. On this, Putin was asked what is his opinion on killing the whole world, and to this he answered ‘why having a world without Russia?’.
            Mad people!
            I don’t know to where to put my hope on! Insane!

  • glenn_nl

    Sorry, it’s been a while…

    Very good to see Craig back. Very unjust that he had to serve time for journalism, but I suppose that’s just one of those things we have to get used to in this increasingly nasty, corrupt, undemocratic, authoritarian little American mini-me.

    Hope all had a good Xmas, and a happy new year to you.

    • Wikikettle

      George Galloway going crazy in his monologue against the knighthood of war criminal Blair. Good on you George.

      • Squeeth

        His grovelling to Liz Windsor is a bit over the top, she’s a caretaker not a monarch.

        • Tatyana

          Windsor is the name of the residence, George V adopted it as a dynasty name due to Germanophobia after the WWI. The original name was Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha. Your queen represents the ‘Dukes of Saxony, Archmarshals and Electors of the Holy Roman Empire’ branch of the House of Wettin.
          Btw she is also the grandniece of the last Russian tsar Nicola II.

          • DunGroanin

            Are you forgetting that she got married and she is Mrs Cake? ?

            I believe Mountbatten had a new royal family crest drawn up. MB. Or was it BB? But the Crown didn’t let him.

          • Tatyana

            The former Ukrainian president bears his mother’s surname, but this did not make his father less Jewish, just as your queen did not become less Teutonic after the wedding, and after marriage I did not become less Cossack. Environment, upbringing, values, the way of thinking and attitude to the outside world inspired by the family, and especially the place of a person in this world. This is not about blood, this is about a set of axioms with which a person grows up.

            Now there are at least two of us! no pasaran! 🙂

        • Laguerre

          Happy New Year to everyone! It’s Johnson who decides the major honours, not the Queen or the independent commission. The question to reflect is why Johnson is cosying up to Blair now, in the present situation. Johnson certainly has a political objective in mind.

  • DunGroanin

    [MOD : If you want to make completely off-topic comments, kindly put them in the forums.]

    If you want to understand the worldwide propaganda machine that has over the last 20 years turned into a monolith. It’s current Sauron eye on Ukraine. Amongst many of its targets. Try this great piece by Kit Klarenberg & co.

    If you ain’t already seen it

    It’s a deep dive into the propaganda machine and the operators of war. Probably based on further Anonymous Hacker leaks last year abou the integrity initiative mobsters. And their cohorts across the 5+1 eyed , collapsing Empire in its last desperate days – almost at their Das Fall in the Bunker phase.

    • DunGroanin

      I though it was relevant to the propaganda.

      But no problem. Will post it elsewhere.

      What’s wrong with the next one which really is about US statements on Ukraine also in the Graun today?

  • Deb O'Nair

    Tony Blair was given his gong by Johnson for services rendered during the 2019 GE and for being instrumental in installing Starmer, who’s job is to end Labour as a party of mass public support and return control back to the Neoliberal clique in Westminster.

    • Laguerre

      Johnson, of course, is not himself a Neoliberal. His idea is spending large quantities of the taxpayer’s money, and “f*ck business”. Neither of which is Neoliberal ideology.

  • DunGroanin

    “ The overall or political object is to impose upon Russia the will of the United States and British Empire. “

    The Great Gamers, The Money, having yet again been beaten back from the gates of Moscow, planned to immediately reorganise their proxy nations resources to get the job done.

    “ The date for the opening of hostilities is 1st July, 1945.”

    Who was going to be told to die in that insanity?

    “ Great Britain and the United States have full assistance from the Polish armed forces and can count upon the use of German manpower and what remains of German industrial capacity.“

    How where they going to achieve their objective?

    “ To achieve the decisive defeat of Russia in a total war would require, in particular, the mobilisation of manpower to counteract their present enormous manpower resources. This is a very long term project and would involve:-
    The deployment in Europe of a large proportion of the vast resources of the United States.
    The re-equipment and re-organisation of German manpower and of all the Western Allies.”

    (Which in effect is what nato had achieved since then and had been pushing the Eastern European’s into a frenzy about to date)

    What were the odds of such a betrayal of the deal the Allies had made in Yalta with Soviets and Stalin?

    “ The existing balance of strength in Central Europe, where the Russians enjoy a superiority of approximately three to one, makes it most unlikely that the Allies could achieve a complete and decisive victory in that area in present circumstances. Although Allied organisation is better, equipment slightly better and morale higher, the Russians have proved themselves formidable opponents of the Germans. They have competent commanders, adequate equipment and an organisation which though possibly inferior by our standards, has stood the test.”

    So none, not a chance, they were probably relying on the new ‘atomic bombs’ and German rocket technology to achieve an annihilation of Russia peoples who keep resisting their advances through the centuries! How dare they?

    So with no chance of winning an all out war against the formidable Russian knack of surviving – WHY sacrifice all these lives?

    “ Assuming, however, that it is decided to risk military action on a limited basis, accepting the dangers set out above, we have examined what action we could take in order to inflict such a blow upon the Russians as would cause them to accept our terms, even though they would not have been decisively defeated and, from the military point of view, would still be capable of continuing the struggle.”

    Like gangsters, who refuse to take a refusal from honest folk not handing over their resources and sons & daughters because of claimed ‘entitlement’ and some god given implacable right to own the whole world and Life on it.

    80 years on or 200 years on – it’s the same old shit by the same old shits.

    That’s why my pantomime booing of Yankee’s above. It is not aimed at any of the common peoples of the USA many who understand the issues as we try to and stand with the world against the avarice and violence of their bought nation. They are not my target.

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