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      Caitlin Johnstone: If I Were Going To Commit Genocide
      December 3, 2023


      A couple of important quotes gathered in one text that support the ascertainment of various grim facts of the massacre in Gaza (I prefer not to call this “war”.)

      #93190 Reply


        A Former South African Anti-Apartheid Activist to Palestine Activists: Stay the Course

        An interview with James Forman Jr

        Pulitzer Prize–winning writer James Forman Jr was once a student activist for divestment from South Africa. Urging both discretion and bravery, he shares his lessons with student activists calling for divestment from Israel and a cease-fire in Gaza.


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          It is quite telling it took Qatar PM almost 2 months to label what Israel do as “crimes”

          Qatar urges swift, impartial probe into Israeli crimes in Gaza
          The Qatar-based Al Jazeera TV channel quoted Sheikh Mohammed as saying on Sunday that there was a need for an “immediate, comprehensive and impartial international investigation” into crimes Israel has been committing in Gaza.

          <b>This is the first time</b> since the start of the Israeli attacks on Gaza in early October that Sheikh Mohammed has described the regime’s conducts in the enclave as “crimes.”

          Will Qatar perhaps even let Israeli assassins into the country?
          Israel planning global assassination campaign – WSJ
          Officials told the newspaper that they intend to kill Hamas leaders in Lebanon, Türkiye, and Qatar


          The arab street/population seems to be quite silent too, perhaps the israeli-normalization policy set off by arab leaders trickled down onto the population?

          #93207 Reply

            This is interesting:

            Moon of Alabama has posted a piece about people possibly having shorted the market with knowledge of the Hamas attacks of Oct. and created profit of $800+ Mio.

            “(…) The short options were only for a very limited period. At least some would have expired on October 13.

            So it definitely looks as if on Monday, October 2, someone was sure enough on that soon something ‘bad’ would happen to Israel. That someone had enough market knowledge and money to take the risk of a false alarm in exchange for a huge potential profit.

            Who that person or group was is for anyone to guess.(…)”

            See the source links:

            #93212 Reply

              strong appearance:
              Forthright commentary by Norman Finkelstein 2018 on Democracy Now, 12 min.
              It kicks off with a ludicrous statement by – who else – PM Netanyahu.


              #93215 Reply

                Jon Schwarz in THE INTERCEPT on the history of Israel constantly rejecting peace
                longer than usual entry by him

                “All the Times Israel Has Rejected Peace With Palestinians
                Israel prefers endless conflict to a Palestinian state.”


                “Israel could have had peace at many times in the past 75 years. However, such a peace would have required Israel giving up most of the Palestinian land — specifically, Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem — it conquered in the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel has always preferred conflict with stateless Palestinians to that.

                Amos Malka, one-time head of Israeli military intelligence, explained it straightforwardly in 2004. “It is possible to reach an agreement,” he said, “under the following conditions: a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital and sovereignty on the Temple Mount; 97 percent of the West Bank plus exchanges of territory in the ratio of 1:1 with respect to the remaining territory; some kind of formula that includes the acknowledgement of Israel’s responsibility for the refugee problem and a willingness to accept 20,000-30,000 refugees.”

                In polite circles of U.S. power, these facts are considered preposterous. Anyone describing them exiles themselves from serious discussion of the issue. It’s similar to the situation before the invasion of Iraq, when there was uniform agreement across the political spectrum that Iraq possessed so-called weapons of mass destruction. Any claims to the contrary were seen as self-evidently ludicrous, as ludicrous as now saying that Israel is a huge obstacle to peace.”

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                  “House Passes Bill That States ‘Anti-Zionism is Antisemitism’
                  Only 13 Democrats and one Republican voted ‘no’ while 92 other Democrats voted ‘present'”


                  The House on Tuesday passed a resolution that says “anti-Zionism is antisemitism,” the chamber’s latest piece of legislation conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism.

                  The resolution, which is presented as a resolution condemning antisemitism, passed in a vote of 314-14-92. Only thirteen Democrats and one Republican voted against the legislation, while 92 Democrats voted “present” in protest of a line buried in the bill that explicitly claims anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

                  The Republican-drafted resolution declares that the House of Representatives “clearly and firmly states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism.”

                  #93232 Reply

                    How on earth could HRW believe the Al-Ahli attack that killed hundreds was an errant palestinian rocket falling from the sky??

                    Palestinian surgeon slams HRW as unreliable source, says al-Ahli Hospital report ‘baseless’

                    I mean listen to the sound, errant home-made palestinian rocket?? Give me a break!

                    #93233 Reply

                      The Intercept, 13 Nov 2023 – Palestinians sue Biden for Failing to Prevent Genocide in Gaza

                      The federal lawsuit accuses President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin of complicity in genocide.

                      A GROUP OF Palestinian human rights organizations, residents of Gaza, and U.S. citizens with family members impacted by Israel’s ongoing assault jointly sued President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin on Monday for failing to “prevent an unfolding genocide.”

                      The 89-page lawsuit, filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights in a California federal district court, traces 75 years of history and analyzes acts committed and rhetoric espoused by the Israeli government that exhibit a disregard for international law. It is accompanied by a declaration from a genocide expert who describes Israel’s actions as signs of genocide and argues that the Biden administration has breached its duty under international law to prevent it.

                      “Under international law, the United States has a duty to take all measures available to it to prevent a genocide. Yet, Defendants have repeatedly refused to use their obvious and considerable influence to set conditions or place limits on Israel’s massive bombing and total siege of Gaza,” the lawsuit reads.

                      “Despite escalating evidence of Israeli policies directed at inflicting mass harm to the Palestinian population in Gaza,” the Biden administration has opposed “a life-saving cease-fire and lifting of the siege, even vetoing United Nations measures calling for a ceasefire,” the lawsuit continues. “Instead, their actions to fund, arm, and endorse Israel’s mass and devastating bombing campaign and total siege of the Palestinians in Gaza constitutes a failure to prevent an unfolding genocide and complicity in its development.”

                      [ … ]

                      The 89-page lawsuit:

                      #93248 Reply

                        Of course, being a colonial regime, Israel use the dehumanizaing language of war for “western civilization”

                        Israeli president: War against Hamas intended ‘to save the values of Western civilization’
                        A bit uplifting to read the youtube comments below the video though, a whole lot of people see through the israeli propaganda.

                        In my view pro-zionist jewish groups can never talk about the threat of antisemitism after this war, they are by ,their support for Israel, the very motor that generate antisemitism, but I guess that fact only play into their goal of being so persecuted that they need this own state called Israel.

                        #93253 Reply

                          Vijay Prashad with an excellent new Newsletter on Tricontinental (recommended to everyone), re: Palestine:

                          “Your Enemies Destroyed One Palestine; My Wounds Populated Many Palestines: The Forty-Ninth Newsletter (2023)”
                          December 7, 2023

                          “(…) Part of the problem here is that the international division of humanity makes for unjust accounting of human life: were the Palestinians killed in Gaza treated with as much dignity as the Israelis killed on 7 October? Are their lives, and deaths, assigned equal worth? The uneven response to these deaths, alongside the uncritical acceptance of this unevenness, suggests that this international division of humanity remains in place and is not only accepted, but also perpetuated, by Western leaders, who make allowances for the killing of more brown bodies than white ones, the latter seen as precious, the former seen as disposable.

                          During the ‘humanitarian pause’, a hostage transfer took place through which Hamas and the Palestinian factions released 110 Israelis while Israel released 240 Palestinian women and children. The stories of the Israeli casualties, many of them residents of settlements near the Gaza perimeter fence, and other hostages such as the Thai and Nepalese fieldworkers are now well-known. Less frequently discussed and much less understood are the stories of the Palestinian casualties. Equally disregarded is the fact that after 7 October, Israel launched a mass campaign to detain over 3,000 Palestinians, including nearly 200 children. There are more Palestinians in Israeli prisons now than before 7 October. During the first four days of the truce alone, Israel arrested almost as many Palestinians as it released through the hostage transfer.

                          It is of note that most (more than two-thirds) of the Palestinians released from Israeli prisons are never charged with any crime and have been held in ‘administrative detention’ in the military’s legal system, meaning that they are held without a time limit, ‘without trial [and] without having committed an offence, on the grounds that he or she plans to break the law in the future’, as defined by the human rights organisation B’tselem. Some of them have been lost in the maze of the Israeli incarceration system indefinitely, unable to exercise even the most basic right of habeas corpus, with no court appearance, no access to a lawyer, and no access to the evidence against them. Israel currently holds more than 7,000 Palestinian political prisoners, many of them associated with left-wing factions (such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine). More than 2,000 of these prisoners are being held in administrative detention.

                          Many of these Palestinian prisoners are children. Many of them spend years in the Israeli system, often under administrative detention, unable to make a case for their release. The Defence for Children International (Palestine) reports that 500–700 children are detained each year, and a chilling report from the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) in 2015 showed that Israel is in full violation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (1990). Article 37 of the convention says that the ‘arrest, detention, or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time’. As multiple cases show, Israel uses arrests as a measure of first resort and holds children for long periods of time.

                          #93254 Reply

                            investigative piece on internal IDF communication and how they manipulate public opinion and silence criticism.

                            “Inside the Pro-Israel Information War
                            Israeli gov-led Zoom calls, WhatsApp chat logs, and other docs provide a window into the massive effort to shape online discourse and silence pro-Palestinian voices.”

                            by Jack Poulson and Lee Fang

                            “The WhatsApp group where Carey’s case came up serves as a kind of switchboard where the various independent players in Silicon Valley’s pro-Israel community swap ideas, identify enemies, and collaborate on ways to defend Israel in the media, academia, and the business world.

                            We have obtained access to thousands of the group’s WhatsApp messages dating back to mid-October, and an intricate spreadsheet where group participants request and claim tasks ranging from social media responses to IDF support shipments. Separately, we have viewed a number of video meetings charting best practices for “hasbara” –– an Israeli term of art for “public diplomacy” whose detractors see it as a euphemism for propaganda — that offer a window into Israel’s public-relations war that is not limited to the tech sector.”

                            “Conversations of this kind are not unusual for any important interest group, but they reveal the degree to which, in the tech-oriented hasbara world, the lines between government, the private sector, and the nonprofit world are blurry at best. And the tactics that these wealthy individuals, advocates, and groups use — hounding Israel critics on social media; firing pro-Palestine employees and canceling speaking engagements; smearing Palestinian journalists; and attempting to ship military-grade equipment to the IDF — are often heavy-handed and controversial.

                            “This is a peek under the hood of how U.S. foreign policy is steered in order to produce policy outcomes,” said Eli Clifton, a senior advisor to the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

                            Clifton noted that the White House has strongly communicated an interest in limiting civilian casualties during the war, but appears unable to muster the political resources to change the IDF’s current direction.

                            “President Biden seems incapable of using the one policy tool that may actually produce a change in Israel’s actions that might limit civilian deaths, which would be to condition military aid that the United States provides to Israel,” Clifton added. He partially attributed the inability of the U.S. government to rein in Israel’s war actions to the “lobbying and advocacy efforts underway.”

                            #93262 Reply

                              Gaza now more bombed than Germany in WW2, claim EU foreign policy boss:

                              Destruction in Gaza ‘comparable, if not higher,’ to WWII Germany, says EU Foreign Policy chief

                              Well Mr Borell what did you expect to happen, you stood with Israel from the start, you are responsible for this mayhem, destruction.
                              Instead EU are busy finding Hamas commanders to be put on sanction list.

                              Will EU put sanctions on Israel for that then? No of course not – instead EU adds 2 Hamas commanders to the terrorist/sanctions list.

                              EU have really made a fool of themselves to say the least. Never do I want to hear this organization talk about human rights ever again!

                              #93293 Reply

                                On the issue of fabrication around Oct. 7th, Caitlin Johnstone on ConsortiumNews is summarizing a few of the major lies and distortions.

                                (Apparently surveillance cameras with material from that day disappeared, too. That one I had not heard yet.
                                We know all this essentially, but she collects the news items as evidence. So I add it here.)

                                “The Official Story of Oct 7 –
                                If you question any part of it, you’re an evil an-Semite who loves terrorism and wishes Hitler had won. You should be censored, fired, kicked off campus and disappeared from polite society.”


                                #93305 Reply

                                  on Israeli military operations and numbers of casualties via B´Tselem data base: 2008/2012/2014/2018

                                  quotations I have taken from the according B´Tselem items:

                                  Dez. 2008/Jan. 2009 Operation “Cast Lead”:

                                  “Between 27 December 2008 and 18 January 2009, the Israeli military carried out an attack on the Gaza Strip named Operation Cast Lead. The magnitude of the harm to the population was unprecedented: 1,385 Palestinians were killed, 762 of whom did not take part in the hostilities. Of these, 318 were minors under age 18. More than 5,300 Palestinians were wounded, of them over 350 seriously so. Israel also caused enormous damage to residential dwellings, industrial buildings, agriculture and infrastructure for electricity, sanitation, water, and health, which was on the verge of collapse prior to the operation. According to UN figures, Israel destroyed more than 3,500 residential dwellings and 20,000 people were left homeless.

                                  During the operation, Palestinians fired rockets and mortar shells at Israel, with the declared purpose of striking Israeli civilians. These attacks killed three Israeli civilians and one member of the Israeli security forces, and wounded dozens. Nine soldiers were killed within the Gaza Strip, four by friendly fire. More than 100 soldiers were wounded, one critically and 20 moderately to seriously.”

                                  14-21. Nov. 2012 Operation “Pillar Of Defense”:

                                  “According to B’Tselem’s investigation, 167 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military during the operation. This number includes 62 Palestinians who took part in the hostilities and seven other who were targets of assassination. Of the remaining fatalities, 87 did not take part in the hostilities.

                                  Israelis killed in the operation:

                                  Over the course of the operation, four Israeli civilians were killed by rockets or shells fired from the Gaza Strip. Three Israelis were killed on 15 November 2012 when a Grad rocket hit a home in the town of Kiryat Malachi in southern Israel. One was killed on 20 November 2012 by a mortar shell. In addition, two members of the Israeli security forces were killed by mortar shells – one, on 20 November 2012, and the other, who was hit on 21 November 2012, died of his wounds the following day.

                                  The report challenges the common perception in the Israeli public and media that the operation was “surgical” and caused practically no fatalities among uninvolved Palestinian civilians. Furthermore, the report finds that there was a significant difference between the first and the final days of the operation: of the uninvolved Palestinian fatalities, 80% were killed in the last four days of the operation.

                                  Jul/Aug. 2014 Operation “Protective Edge”:

                                  “1391, or 63%, of the 2,202 Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in Operation “Protective Edge” did not take part in the hostilities. Of these, 526 – a quarter of all Palestinians killed in the operation – were children under eighteen years of age. These are some of the figures published today by Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem to mark two years since the operation, which took place in July-August 2014. Additionally, 17 children were killed while participating in the hostilities, and for an additional 3, B’Tselem was unable to ascertain whether they had taken part in the hostilities .Of the 72 Israelis killed in the operation, six were civilians (one of them a Thai national), including a four-year-old child, and 62 were soldiers killed by Palestinians. Three soldiers were killed by other soldiers, and one in an operational accident.”

                                  Destruction of civil infrastructure:

                                  “During the fifty days of Operation Protective Edge in the summer of 2014, Israel bombed and shelled the Gaza Strip, causing massive damage to civilian infrastructure and homes. About 18,000 residential units were either completely destroyed or heavily damaged, leaving more than 100,000 Palestinians – some 17,000 families – homeless. The destruction was caused by Israel’s unlawful open-fire policy, which included bombardment of civilians and civilian structures from the air, land and sea. According to the military’s own figures, as reported in the media, the scale of shelling during the operation was unprecedented: 35,000 artillery shells of different types and 14,500 tank shells, not including air raids. Artillery is known as a “statistic weapon” because it is intrinsically inaccurate and can land anywhere within a range of dozens of meters. Using artillery in a crowded urban environment inevitably causes destruction on a large scale.

                                  After the shelling ended, families who had lost their homes received financial aid from international organizations, chiefly UNRWA. Some families rented apartments and others moved in with relatives or into pre-fabs.

                                  Today, more than four years later, about 20% of the homes are still unusable and some 2,300 families – about 13,000 people – remain homeless. Some 1,600 of these families had been receiving rent subsidies from UNRWA at rates ranging from 200 to 250 USD per month, depending on the size of the family. In July 2018, however, following US funding cuts, UNRWA was forced to halt financial assistance, leaving families out in the cold. Families that are still renting are having trouble making payments.”

                                  2018-2019 peaceful “Great March Home”

                                  “On 30 March 2018 – Land Day – Palestinians in the Gaza Strip began to hold regular protests along the perimeter fence, demanding an end to the blockade Israel has imposed on the Strip since 2007 and fulfillment of the right of return. The protests, held mostly on Fridays with tens of thousands participating, including children, women and seniors, continued until the end of 2019.

                                  Israel was quick to frame the protests as illegitimate even before they began. It made various attempts to prevent the demonstrations and declared in advance it would violently disperse the protesters. The military deployed dozens of snipers along the fence, and various officials clarified that the open-fire regulations would permit lethal fire against anyone attempting to approach the fence or damage it. When Gaza residents went ahead with the demonstrations regardless, Israel made good on its threats and its open-fire regulations permitted use of live fire against unarmed protestors. As a result, 223 Palestinians, 46 of them under the age of 18, were killed and some 8,000 injured. The vast majority of the persons killed or injured were unarmed and posed no threat to the well-armored soldiers standing on the other side of the fence.”

                                  #93315 Reply

                                    Thanks AG, good summary post!

                                    In other news Jordanian FM claim: Israel cannot win – Jordan

                                    The animosity created by the violence in Gaza will haunt the Middle East for generations, Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi has warned
                                    Israel has already suffered a strategic defeat.


                                    I would add that the inaction by neighbouring states like Jordan will also “haunt the Middle East for generations” just like their refusal to act have also generated a “strategic defeat” for the Arab world, apparently Israel is more powerful and influential than 22 Arab states combined that is too fearful to do anything about this regime.

                                    #93357 Reply

                                      As Craig Murray already stated Karim Khan appears to be not much more than a Western stooge.
                                      Eletronic Intifada with a longer piece depicting his tour in Palestine:

                                      “ICC’s Karim Khan centers Israelis in Palestine investigation”

                                      #93358 Reply

                                        error: sry, it´s of course Karim NOT Kharim

                                        [ Mod: Amended. ]

                                        #93361 Reply

                                          MOD – thx!

                                          * * *

                                          Jeremy Scahill on THE INTERCEPT with a new piece about how IDF action has hardly anything to do with Hamas.

                                          “This Is Not a War Against Hamas
                                          The notion that the war would end if Hamas was overthrown or surrenders is as ahistorical as it is false.”

                                          Scahill is always good for useful MSM hyperlinks.
                                          like this one:

                                          Washington Post in 2021 quoted the “Mowing the lawn”-analogy. Such a news report is always useful when arguing with people who don´t trust anyone, but WaPo and the NYT.

                                          May 14th, 2021, Adam Taylor
                                          “With strikes targeting rockets and tunnels, the Israeli tactic of ‘mowing the grass’ returns to Gaza”


                                          #93362 Reply


                                            It is so sickening, it just took ICC 4 days (FOUR DAYS!) into the russian invasion of Ukraine to initiate a case against Russia and even though I am no fan of that invasion it is obvious even after 2 months of israeli war against palestinians, that the if Russia breached international law, huh well then it is an understatement to claim that Israel have breached international law!

                                            Just compare the numbers, some 8000 children killed in Gaza. Some 500 children killed in Ukraine. And adding to that remember the ratio here: Ukraine have like a x22 big of a population than Gaza! Then, one really understand the what a senseless speed Israel is killing people. But no. No reaction by the ICC.
                                            Remember this is the ICC that called for an international arrest against Putin for his alleged transfering of ukrainian kids from the battlefield into safer space. Meanwhile the ICC look away when Israel not transfer or displace kids but KILL them in the THOUSANDS!

                                            From your link to electronicintifada there is call to sack Khan, I wonder is this a real possibility? Do you know?

                                            #93365 Reply

                                              Just normal behavior, Israeli soldiers laugh while they blow up school in Gaza…

                                              They have sooo much fun, here they laugh blowing up a palestinian parliament building

                                              I throw in one more, israelis laugh when they blow up mosque

                                              Pure sickness.
                                              Then they have the audacity to whine about being persecuted and about antisemitism.

                                              #93366 Reply


                                                I forgot it was just 4 days…
                                                Concerning Khan have no better other source.

                                                I doubt any demission. I think on the occasion of Khan´s first conference as chief it was mentioned that this was also an appointment/election due to secure funding for the ICC.

                                                Now I guess the matter is more complicated than that. But when it eventually comes to decisions, either/or, Khan is not independent. Obviously. Whenever it was about going after Western crimes he aborted that. The Gaza case I think was first filed with the ICC 2014 (?)…still nothing…

                                                #93385 Reply

                                                  Re. Khan.
                                                  In his blog
                                                  Mr. Murray published the letter and I noticed it is addressed to Irene Khan Special Rapporteur bla-bla-bla freedom of speech. I googled for who is she and found nothing except for one mention her husband is a German economist. Still Google informed me of Mr. Khan from ICC and his brother, another Khan, Conservative British MP convicted for child sexual assault.
                                                  I wonder is Ms Irene Khan has any relation to Khans in Britain? Or, to Sal Khan form the KhanAcademy?

                                                  #93389 Reply

                                                    (will try to look into Irene Khan myself re: German connection. p.s. I did not want to mention Khan´s brother´s sex offense affair, since those affairs should not be mixed up with politics and the public. Of course it crossed my mind that Khan´s offense concerning young adults might have cautioned his brother at the ICC to pursue the child-abduction case against RU. On the other hand, former is a private matter and should be treated as such. And latter makes only limited sense and cannot be proven anyway. And I can only assume that the trial for Mr. Khan and the family clan was not amusing. I don´t want to judge any of it for lack of knowledge.)

                                                    * * *

                                                    this looks like an extraordinary read (but: 9000 words):

                                                    LONDON REVIEW OF BOOKS has a 1984 collection of Edward Said´s book reviews on Palestine.
                                                    Including the 1984 letters to the editor chosen for publication back then (may be the best feature of LRB in general).

                                                    “Permission to narrate
                                                    Edward Said writes about the story of the Palestinians”


                                                    archived version:


                                                    following books are being reviewed:

                                                    • Israel in Lebanon: The Report of the International Commission
                                                      by Sean MacBride.
                                                      Ithaca, 282 pp., £4.50, March 1984, 0 903729 96 2
                                                    • Sabra et Chatila: Enquête sur un Massacre
                                                      by Amnon Kapeliouk.
                                                      Seuil, 117 pp.
                                                    • Final Conflict: The War in the Lebanon
                                                      by John Bulloch.
                                                      Century, 238 pp., £9.95, April 1983, 0 7126 0171 6
                                                    • Lebanon: The Fractured Country
                                                      by David Gilmour.
                                                      Robertson, 209 pp., £9.95, June 1983, 0 85520 679 9
                                                    • The Tragedy of Lebanon: Christian Warlords, Israeli Adventures and American Bunglers
                                                      by Jonathan Randal.
                                                      Chatto, 320 pp., £9.50, October 1983, 0 7011 2755 4
                                                    • God cried
                                                      by Tony Clifton and Catherine Leroy.
                                                      Quartet, 141 pp., £15, June 1983, 0 7043 2375 3
                                                    • Beirut: Frontline Story
                                                      by Salim Nassib, Caroline Tisdall and Chris Steele-Perkins.
                                                      Pluto, 160 pp., £3.95, March 1983, 0 86104 397 9
                                                    • The Fateful Triangle: Israel, the United States and the Palestinians
                                                      by Noam Chomsky.
                                                      Pluto, 481 pp., £6.95, October 1983, 0 86104 741 9
                                                    #93394 Reply

                                                      No surprise Finkelstein just cannot stand an emminent liar like Dershowitz.

                                                      (I say liar because it´s difficult to believe he doesn´t know what the honest legal history of the conflict is. That makes him the worst specimen of “Americana”.)

                                                      Here 30 min. on Piers Morgan´s show with both men.
                                                      Norman Finkelstein vs Alan Dershowitz On Israel-Palestine War With Piers Morgan | The Full Debate

                                                      I like min. 5. The moment when Finkelstein tries to put forward his arguments Dershowitz acts as if his ear piece doesn´t work and he can´t hear Finkelstein. It is of course acting. Which I guess he has learnt a lot during American jury trials. (Miraculously a moment later he hears every word but has to carry on with the charade for a few minutes trying to make an adequately confused face. )
                                                      And on Finkelstein´s smile during a fraction of a moment you see he realizes Dershowitz is makung up the technical issue.

                                                      So Finkelstein changes his tactics: From now on he speake to the audience. And gives a damn about Dershowtiz.
                                                      Only in the end Finkelstein gets personal. I would have liked him to stay cool throughout. But this lawyer is just the same kind of crook as any fake American hero in politics and entertainment. Actually a nightmare.

                                                      What would these people do without their US Military-Industrial-Complex? Because only that allows them this fascist disegard for the rest of the world.

                                                      “Pfui, pfui, pfui.”

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