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August 13, 2019 at 20:20 #46383Clark
– “surely this screams out to the heavens”August 13, 2019 at 22:22 #46384Paul Barbara
The fact that mercury has been removed from almost all childhood vaccines in the US proves that there is a very real danger (though it is still used in the yearly flu shot, and also used in vaccines exported to other countries).
The CDC has been shown to have covered up the fact (not theory) that their schedule for babies’ vaccinations went way over even their own appalling ‘limits’, and rather than correct the issue immediately, let it ride for years, so as not to get embarrassed by their stupidity (and even when the top vaccine makers offered to supply mercury-free vaccines almost immediately).August 13, 2019 at 23:00 #46386Clark
No, it doesn’t prove that. The way to prove that would be cohort studies, and case-control studies.August 14, 2019 at 16:46 #46397Paul Barbara
No, it’s not me that should read Goldacre, it’s you who should read previous comments on this and other previous threads, or just to read up on the CDC and mercury. You will find out the obvious – it was removed because it is a hazard – something that should be obvious to anyone who knows the slightest bit about mercury and it’s neurotoxicity.
Tell me something – above I quoted a WHO website that claimed, with no caveats, that:
‘…Methylmercury is very different to ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is used as a preservative in some vaccines and does not pose a health risk…’ https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mercury-and-healthAugust 15, 2019 at 09:21 #46540ClarkAugust 15, 2019 at 10:18 #46541ClarkAugust 15, 2019 at 12:51 #46543Paul BarbaraAugust 15, 2019 at 13:07 #46544Paul Barbara
Do you not trust that the WHO site I linked to is genuine? If it is, what do you make of such a ridiculous statement that:
‘…Methylmercury is very different to ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is used as a preservative in some vaccines and does not pose a health risk…’
If the WHO can get away with posting such utter BS, what does it say about the WHO, and indeed, of ‘Peer Revue’? Why have not the world’s premier doctors and scientists corrected them?
And the CDC are still pumping out the same lies, though they know the truth that ethylmercury disappears quickly from the blood because it passes easily through the blood/brain barrier and is stored in the brain:
How can anyone trust these puppet organisations?August 15, 2019 at 14:51 #46545Clark
Tell you what Paul, you tell me, seeing as that’s the only direction of communication you’ll permit.August 15, 2019 at 16:49 #46547Paul Barbara
They are the puppets of the Banksters, Financiers and Corporations and their lobbyists, of course.
But why on earth you cannot respond to the WHO statement, and call it out for what it is, utter murderous BS, I fail to see.
Here is a balanced BMJ article (surely they are not sowing disinfo to question vaccines?):
‘Pressure mounts for inquiry into MMR furore’:
https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/how-can-vaccines-cause-damageAugust 15, 2019 at 18:20 #46550Clark
– “Here is a balanced BMJ article (surely they are not sowing disinfo to question vaccines?)”August 15, 2019 at 19:11 #46551Clark
This is called the Dunning-Kruger effect, it is common, and it has been studied:
It is closely related to illusory superiority, but the impression it gives is that of arrogance.
Really, the best way to make progress would be for you to read Bad Science.August 16, 2019 at 00:25 #46573Paul Barbara
‘…Er, it is not a BMJ article. If you bother to look, it is written not by the BMJ editorial board, nor by a doctor, scientist or professor, but by a “Father of vaccine damaged daughter” who apparently wishes to remain anonymous…’
It is a BMJ article insofar as it appears in their journal, and it is not written by someone who ‘prefers to stay anonymous’ but by Alan Challoner MA (Phil) MChS (certainly sounds like some kind of doctor to me, but I cannot find the meaning of the post-nominal letters, other than they seem to refer to some kind of surgeon).
The ‘father of a brain damaged daughter’ is the reference No. 5, which the author refers to in part of his article.
And you still haven’t commented on the WHO statement that ethylmercury in vaccines is not a health hazard.
Re who is more corrupted, the CDC or the WHO, I suspect the CDC, but they are both corrupted, as are the OPCW and many UN ‘Peace Keeping’ Operations (Haiti; Balkans; Congo).August 16, 2019 at 01:52 #46574ClarkAugust 19, 2019 at 23:19 #46635Paul Barbara
Thanks for acknowledging your fault.
‘..I do not know enough to comment about ethylmercury in vaccines…’
That is really not good enough. Ethyl and methyl mercury, indeed any kind of mercury, is acknowledged as a neurotoxin.
One does not need to be a specialist in medicine or biology to conclude mercury is NOT a good element to inject into anybody’s bodies, let alone new-born babies and young children, and pregnant women.
But leave commonsense by the wayside; you seem to have convinced yourself you are right.August 20, 2019 at 09:18 #46648Clark
– “Thanks for acknowledging your fault”
– “you seem to have convinced yourself you are right”August 20, 2019 at 09:56 #46651Clark
So, to summarise…
Whale.to:August 22, 2019 at 10:23 #46680Paul Barbara
‘…HHS (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services) partners with vaccine makers to develop, approve, recommend, and pass mandates for new products and then shares profits from vaccine sales. HHS employees can personally collect up to $150,000 annually in royalties for products they work on. For example, key HHS officials collect money on every sale of Merck’s controversial HPV vaccine Gardasil, which also yields tens of millions annually for the agency in patent royalties. Furthermore, under the 1986 Act that created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, HHS is the defendant in Vaccine Court and is legally obligated to defend against any claim that a vaccine causes injury. Despite high hurdles for recovery, HHS pays out hundreds of millions of dollars annually (over $4 billion total) to Americans injured by vaccines. Hence, if HHS publishes any study acknowledging that a vaccine causes a harm, claimants can use that study against HHS in Vaccine Court. In June 2009, a high-level HHS official, Tom Insel, killed a $16 million-dollar budget item to study the relationship between vaccines and autism by the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee. Insel argued that petitioners would use these studies against HHS in vaccine court.
There is a large part of the answer as to why there is little evidence of vaccine/autism links.August 22, 2019 at 13:21 #46682Paul Barbara
‘..Always “new-born babies and pregnant women”, isn’t it?…’
Tip: they are by far the most susceptible people to vaccine damage.
If I was canine, I’d recognise dog whistles – as a human, the sound frequency is out of my hearing range.August 22, 2019 at 18:49 #46685ClarkAugust 22, 2019 at 20:31 #46687Paul Barbara
‘YOUR Children. YOUR Choice’: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2325821697679985
The FDA requires newborns not exceed 5 micrograms of aluminium per Kg. per day by IV. The average newborn of 3 1/2 Kg shouldn’r receive more than 17 1/2 microgrames of aluminium per day by IV; yet one dose of HEP B vaccine (advised for all children at birth) contains 250 micrograms.
I wonder what Goldacre would make of that little conundrum?August 22, 2019 at 23:21 #46688Clark
Well if you’d read him you’d find out.August 22, 2019 at 23:26 #46689Paul Barbara
Instead of telling me how ignorant I am, why not watch and read the evidence I provide, then provide counter evidence, if you can?August 22, 2019 at 23:35 #46690Clark
– “How much evidence are pro-vaccine aficionados willing to ignore?”August 23, 2019 at 10:54 #46704Paul Barbara
You are jumping to conclusions – I have never said I am against all vaccinations. I assume when vaccines were first tried, they were for good medical reasons. It was only later they became viewed as money-spinners and covert birth control scams.
RFK Jr. is not anti-vaccine, just some, and adjuvants like mercury and aluminium, and also the age at which they are administered.
As I’m not about to read Goldacre (he obviously won’t have the specific answer to that particular conundrum in his book, anyway), why don’t you tell me how the two conflicting recommendations can be reconciled?
The only way you can maintain your pro-vaccine argument seems to be by refusing to deal with contrary evidence.
Many instances of gross manipulation and fraud by the ‘Regulatory Authorities’ has been quoted by me, you even agree in part that there is corruption on their part, yet you still use their statistics and statements to back your stance.August 23, 2019 at 11:21 #46707Paul Barbara
‘Scientists in Canada Being Censored from Covering Dangers of Aluminum in Vaccines’:
‘…Further data showed that a significant correlation exists between the amounts of aluminum given to preschool children and the current rates of autism in seven Western countries. Those countries with the highest level of aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines had the highest autism rates.
Professor Shaw and Dr. Tomljenovic continued their paper by adding:
Notice ‘Hill Criteria’?
‘Hills Criteria of Causation’: http://www.drabruzzi.com/hills_criteria_of_causation.htm
Scientific enough for you?August 23, 2019 at 13:01 #46710ClarkAugust 23, 2019 at 13:08 #46711ClarkAugust 23, 2019 at 13:14 #46712ClarkAugust 24, 2019 at 15:42 #46731ClarkAugust 26, 2019 at 11:27 #46742ClarkAugust 26, 2019 at 12:17 #46743Paul Barbara
Vaxxed is not conspiracy theory, it exposes very real, health-destroying (and sometimes murderous) conspiracies, which you have as good as accepted regarding some Pharma Corporations in the past.
So the ‘Hills Criteria of Causation’: http://www.drabruzzi.com/hills_criteria_of_causation.htm is not scientific?
Scientific principles CAN be written in Popular Mechanics, but are often not when they try to save the establishment’s butt by buttressing some baloney that breaks accepted laws of physics (and please don’t try to get this comment section closed down as you did another one).
Re the Citroen driver, it depends on his level of knowledge. I have often been in that position, with Peugeots. Sometimes I chose one, sometimes the other. If the part is difficult to replace, or takes a long time, I have generally opted for the maker’s parts, but where it is not too difficult to replace, or is not too expensive labour-wise, then I usually plump for the cheaper part. I was quite competent in working on cars in the 60’s and 70’s, but particularly with diesels they got too complicated for me later on.
Again, it would be helpful if you didn’t keep bringing ‘conspiracy theories’ into the equation, when what I try to show are genuine, died-in-the-wool conspiracies, if not out of the mouths of the perps, at least clearly evident by their actions.August 26, 2019 at 12:31 #46744Paul Barbara
No, indeed that line of reasoning isn’t helpful; but it does fortify the original reason I gave for not reading Goldacre – I told you I used to read his regular column in the Guardian (pretty sure it was the Guardian) and I was not impressed.
He has set up a straw-man argument, and an extremely poor one at that. None of the doctors or parents in the articles and videos I linked use that argument.
They give solid reasons for what they claim, including parents who noticed a dramatic change in their babies/children immediately or very shortly after vaccinations.
I’m really surprised you gave me such a sloppy bit of ‘reasoning’ to show Goldacre’s ‘wisdom’.August 26, 2019 at 13:30 #46745Paul Barbara
You are right that the article does not appear to show the two scientists are being censored in Canada, but regarding the ‘Banner Headline’, that refers to a separate article re the Vaccine Court in the US.
‘..Neither does it establish its other sensational claim of an attempt to “destroy [the] credibility” of the authors of the paper…’
I disagree there. The newspaper report certainly does try to destroy the credibility of the two researchers, by not covering their actual research papers’ contents, and by wrongly praising other reports, like the WHO (‘..World Health Organization (WHO), funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies..’ well, some more ammo for my campaign – I never knew that before), which did not negate the researchers’ reports. In short, faced with contrary (though not diametrically opposed) reports, the MSM reporter chose the ‘Establishment’ view without giving credence to the researcher’s reports.
Just like the MSM and Establishment rounded on Dr. Wakefield, David Noakes, Gilles-Eric Seralini and his team of researchers at France’s Caen University, Arpad Pusztai.
Don’t bother to trot out the ‘Official Narrative’ of how breathtakingly flawed all their work was, they were hounded because of what they exposed.August 26, 2019 at 14:50 #46746Paul Barbara
People tend to forget, if they ever knew, that American history is, like most, a ‘can of worms’, from genocide of the indigenous Indians, through expansion and armed interventions into Mexico, Cuba, Hawaii, Philippines, and many other areas, through a Fascist coup plot in the 1930’s, to supporting the rise of Hitler by US banks and corporations, to it’s present slew of ‘Regime Change’ military wars and trade wars. And, of course, it’s takeover of the ‘Regulatory Agencies’ and government by the corporations, banksters and foreign and domestic lobbyists and criminal blackmailers.
And it is getting worse.August 26, 2019 at 16:52 #46748ClarkAugust 26, 2019 at 16:57 #46749Clark
– “Re the Citroen driver, it depends on his level of knowledge”August 26, 2019 at 17:01 #46750Clark
– “None of the doctors or parents in the articles and videos I linked use that argument”August 26, 2019 at 17:02 #46751Clark
Yeah, it’s all a big conspiracy.
Can I go home now Sir?August 26, 2019 at 19:54 #46752Paul Barbara
As a Christian I have very good reason to believe that those in power are essentially evil; Jesus on at least three occasions referred to the Devil as the ‘Prince of this world’. I do not, however, expect you to believe that, just because it is in the New Testament. However, having that as an anchor, I am much more sure of the evil nature of our ‘Leaders and Betters’ when I see the results of their actions – not just selfish and self-serving, but in so many cases downright evil.
Here is another ‘anchor’ from the New Testament: ‘And the devil led him (Jesus) into a high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And he said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them. If thou therefore wilt adore before me, all shall be thine.’ Luke lV : 5-7
It is my faith (and like I say, I don’t expect you to share it) which bolsters what otherwise would seem to be a cock-sure overconfidence in my assessments. It is also the result of a long life (I sense it coming to a close before long) largely campaigning against literally murderous, barbarous regimes, all too often supported by the so-called ‘Western Democracies’. Nowadays, they hardly bother to even profess to be ruled by treaties and agreements – take the false invasion of Iraq for non-existent WMD’s, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Venezuela, the reversion to good old Piracy by the ‘Royal Navy’ over the boarding and holding of the Iranian tanker.
International Treaties? Only till they don’t serve their pro-Western purposes.
Yes, I do tend to see evil surrounding us on all sides, but not from ‘conspiracy theories’ or paranoia, but from very real conspiracies and murderous crimes: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: ‘..I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it..’ (Re 500,000 dead children due to Western sanctions, just like they are applying now against Syria, Iran, Venezuela).
And the nuking of Japan, not as claimed to speed up the end of the Pacific War, but to frighten and threaten Russia.
Neither we nor our cousins across the pond are, and probably never have been, the ‘good guys’, though Hollywood and the MSM might not agree.
You carry on, giving the PTB the benefit of the doubt.