Is Anders Breivik in This Photograph?

by craig on July 25, 2011 11:12 am in Uncategorized

This 2009 rally in Oslo was attended by Breivik’s heroine, Pamela Geller. On Saturday I posted about the comments Breivik made on Geller’s Atlas Shrugs website. There is a fuller analysis on the impact of the Tea Party on Breivik’s thinking here. It turns out that Breivik also references Geller’s Atlas Shrugs blog and a related hate filled website, The Gates of Vienna, in his tedious anti-muslim manifesto.

It is therefore highly likely that Breivik would have noted Geller’s visit to Norway and gone to hear her. The occasion was a rally in support of Israel’s Gaza massacre of over 1,900 Palestinians in Operation Cast Lead. It would be a fruitful line of inquiry for the police to investigate why Geller decided to go all the way from Tennessee to Oslo for such a small rally (the majority of people in that photo, those across the road, are demonstrating against the rally). Who invited the hate preacher? Why? And did she meet Breivik in person?

It is worth noting that the English Defence League, supported by both Geller and Breivik, also held pro-massace rallies at this time. This is Geller on the EDL:

The EDL is routinely smeared in the British media, as the Tea Party activists are smeared in the U.S. media. The corrupt, biased media defames any group, person, or organization standing against Islamic supremacism. They tar, feather and destroy the good name of good people who stand for life, liberty and individual rights. Libel and slander like “racist,” “fascist,” “bigot,” etc. color every news report of every counter-jihad action. The quisling media is the propaganda arm of jihad. It’s despicable. There is nothing racist, fascist or bigoted about the EDL.

This is Breivik on the EDL:

“I used to have more than 600 EDL members as Facebook friends and have spoken with tens of EDL members and leaders. In fact; I was one of the individuals who supplied them with processed ideological material (including rhetorical strategies) in the very beginning.”

One of the things we know about Breivik is that he was a dedicated video wargamer. On this online wargaming forum a poster calling himself Norge (Norway) says that he was at that rally and goes on to make numerous anti-Muslim remarks in very much Breivik’s calm style. Now, that is a small crowd to contain two rabidly anti-Muslim Norwegian wargame fanatics, particularly as various reports – including on that forum – indicate most of the pro-massacre group was elderly, and less likely to video wargame. If Norge is indeed Breivik, then he is in that photograph at Geller’s rally. If Norge is not Breivik, then police should trace someone whose interests and political actions were so close to Breivik’s, and see if they were connected.

Isn’t it extraordinary that right wing terrorists are seldom called terrorists, and are always said to have acted alone. Muslim terrorists, however, are always part of the international al-Qaida network, even when they and their motives were obviously homegrown. Any connection by any Muslim terrorist to any mosque or preacher is sufficient to condemn that mosque or preacher loudly in the media as an instigator of terrorism – even though they may never have heard of the terrorist. There are people in Guantanamo for approaching a decade just because they were at the same meeting as someone else. Yet exactly the same kind of links by Breivik to his right wing hate preaching US inspirers like Geller are simply glossed over by the mainstream media.

Right wingers always are just crazed individuals acting alone in the official narrative. But that is plainly untrue.

I can understand the line, adopted by all the mainstream media, that Breivik’s trial should be heard in secret because he should not gain a platform through his evil actions to spout his poisonous propaganda. But I cannot resist the suspicion that the right wing will be delighted to minimise the information that may come out about Breivik’s right wing connections.

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56 Comments

  1. Spot on. Good research Craig.

  2. Thank you, Craig. That is exactly how I feel.

  3. Jonangus Mackay

    25 Jul, 2011 - 11:28 am

    Ditto.

  4. Interesting that Geller uses the 1st person plural on her blog. Are there dozens of her clones or does she have delusions of grandeur like Thatcher – ‘we are a grandmother’
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    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

  5. Paul Johnston

    25 Jul, 2011 - 11:40 am

    To give publicity or not to is a tough one but I am inclined to say the hearings should be open. Information will get out anyway and best people hear what this person has to say. I would have though the extreme right wing would only be too happy to gain “kudos”.
    After David Copelands arrest he was disparaging about the BNP and his thoughts were that it had gone soft. Hence his move to the much smaller NSM.

  6. Good article. However, looking at this user Norge’s past posts, I don’t know that it is Breivik. Look at this post: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9501105#post9501105 and several previous ones in the same thread insisting on greater multiculturalism and racial representation in Obama’s administration. ‘Norge’ seems to really dislike Muslims, but Breivik really hated multiculturalism.

  7. “wargame fanatics”
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    I have been saying for years that wargames must have an effect on the minds of those who play them!. I think that is the real idea behind them, to promote barbaric behavior and barbarize young minds.

  8. If the hearing is indeed behind closed doors the extreme right-wing will be doubly delighted, because it would allow them to claim that the ‘leftwing’ Norwegian State is silencing Breivik’s freedom of expression. There are already conspiracy theorists on EDL and other sites claiming a left-wing cover-up, and a secret hearing would just add more grist to their mill.

  9. Eunice,

    I am sorry to say that I think you have missed that those posts are heavily sarcastic – Norge is not supporting multiculturalism, he is making fun of it. Other posters spot this – see for example Wolfcp11 “I think we can safely say that he is joking now”.

  10. I must say I do like the idea of “processed ideological material…”

    Isn’t modern technology grand? Processed food, processed entertainment, and now processed ideological material! I wonder what it looks like? I imagine a kind of nauseous greenish-yellow paste, perhaps somewhat resembling long-stored and fermented whale blubber.

  11. “…processed ideological material! I wonder what it looks like? I imagine a kind of nauseous greenish-yellow paste, perhaps somewhat resembling long-stored and fermented whale blubber.”
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    So you’ve seen EastEnders then?

  12. We would often have jeremy paxman in front of some weather like billboard linking a muslim suspected of terrorism with bin laden, he went to the same school, he was on the same forum, etc.
    We also have endless blogs and articles about how any muslim acting alone gets his insperation from the hate preacher of the moment. I mean all of anwar awlakis volumous works have been pulled from the uk libraries.
    So the double standards are as in your face as you can get.

    But the one thing that really strikes me about the differences is the level of professionalism.
    Most terrorist attacks carried out by muslims are not very well thought out, are crude, carried out by young low educated people or misfits, the perpetrators inevitably end up dead so we can never know what motivated them. For example richard reid, or the youth worker that is the 7/7

    Yet in contrast both timoth mcvei and anders had meticulous planning, extremely well organised, had a specific agenda that was well documented and put out etc.

    is it me , or do all “muslim terrorists” come across as the bumbling dads army, whereas the right wing terrorists are professional and carry out acts to maximum effect.

    So I keep on asking myself. if this is how a terrorist attack “should ” look like, how come the muslims don’t do it in such a way. it almost gives credence to the idea of false flag ops.

  13. Guest wrote: “I have been saying for years that wargames must have an effect on the minds of those who play them!. I think that is the real idea behind them, to promote barbaric behavior and barbarize young minds.”
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    So why did it take so long for your theory to come to fruition? and why only a handful of instances, rather than the millions of gamers world wide?

  14. Thanks for highlighting the obvious links with some excellent research Craig, if its a good resolution photo, they should be able to find him at that rally.

    Paul and Old Trot, agree with both of you, the status quo merchants and warmongers are cockahoop over the secrecy.

    We must realise that some 22% voted for a rightwing party in Norway, equally in France, Belgium, Germany and Austria, not to talk of Russia or Poland who also have active and rabid rightwing movements, these movements have been allowed to flourish.

    The phenomena is that this unholy alliance between ultra rightwing groups, some of them Christian orientated, are now in cohouts with zionists, from persecution, racismn and bigotry to being friendly and inviting Nick griffin to talk in one foul swoop.
    We have talked about this real axis of evil before, during Craigs campaign here in Norwich North. Their terror actions have dominated Europe in the 20th. century and they are now so strong, supported by vested interest galore, their impact on society so intrepid and vast, helped and egged on by the likes of Murdoch, that the 21st. century might go the same calamitous way.

  15. Completely off topic but forgive me – my blood is boiling. I have just seen on a Sky banner that five Afghan children were killed by a British Apache helicopter on Saturday. This is the same type of helicopter that Prince Harry is so desperate to operate there.
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    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25689
    Prince Harry of Wales Returns to Afghanistan
    by Felicity Arbuthnot

  16. “So why did it take so long for your theory to come to fruition? and why only a handful of instances, rather than the millions of gamers world wide?”
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    JimmyGiro, do we not see it on our streets, everyday new acts of violence. How many of our young are behind bars ?, is this the world we want!. Do you really think that “wargames” act as a good thing on the minds of anyone ?.

  17. Faithful Reader

    25 Jul, 2011 - 12:58 pm

    The Oslo outrage fits the pattern of a false-flag attack. Tarpley is on the ball as usual: http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/

  18. ” processed ideological material! I wonder what it looks like?”

    Sounds like a perfect description of the BBC News.

  19. Faithful reader,
    I am sorry, but I think the idea this was a flase flag operation because of Norway’s decision to end its participation in the NATO libya campaign, is rather crazed.

  20. Look at this post: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=9484601#post9484601

    “Norge” posting about Pakistanis in Oslo. I don’t think you can come closer than this. Good find, Craig.

  21. Glenn Greenwald will be on Al Jazeera English, 2pm our time, talking about the Oslo attack and media reaction to it
    http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

  22. Guardian has been live-blogging Breivik’s court appearance and other relevant news as it comes in:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/25/norway-attack-live-coverage-anders-breivik#block-24

  23. Behind closed doors I see Dreoilin.
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    The man who has admitted carrying out Friday’s twin terror attacks in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, has made his first appearance in court in Oslo.
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    The hearing was held behind closed doors, as ruled by the judge, who will make a statement later.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14270655

  24. Faithful Reader,

    It is clear that the Oslo and Utøya attacks were literally years in the planning and certainly begun long before the Arab Spring. Also, why would such an attack persuade Norway to continue bombing Libya? I agree there are legitimate questions to be asked about whether there was a second shooter and police are investigating the possibility. No doubt forensic tests will show if there were other weapons involved in addition to those already recovered.
    The idea police bomb drills in the area around government offices are indicative of something suspicious going on is frankly ludicrous. Of course they train for that sort of thing, it’s called basic security.
    Far-fetched conspiracy theories are the last thing anyone needs right now

  25. Craig,

    …Oh. My apologies. I have almost no sarcasm meter on the internets, my bad.
    Carry on…

  26. Paul Johnston

    25 Jul, 2011 - 1:46 pm

    Did anyone notice the use of the word Quisling?
    “The quisling media is the propaganda arm of jihad”
    What a moron she is, I would think among the far right Quisling is a positive adjective!

  27. It’s too bad all that CSI “perfectly zoom in on a 1-pixel photograph and come up with a crystal-clear image” crap doesn’t work in real life. That would be quite useful here.

  28. Faithful Reader

    25 Jul, 2011 - 1:54 pm

    Old Trot

    You raise some interesting points.

    Although the infrastructure for this sort of attack would need to be well established, I contend that a particular project could be executed fairly quickly.

    Who said anything about persuasion. Punishment is not persuasion. You can be sure the powers-that-be in Norway know the score.

    Of course security drills have a legitimate purpose. That’s what makes them so useful as preparation/cover for false-flag attacks.

  29. The Gates of Vienna website is NOT Pamela Geller’s site.

  30. Faithful Reader: “The Oslo outrage fits the pattern of a false-flag attack. Tarpley is on the ball as usual”
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    Webster Tarpley thinks EVERY lone nut killing spree is the result of a “mind-controlled patsy”. Do you think the Parallax Corporation had something to do with it?

  31. Muslimanarchist asked, “is it me , or do all “muslim terrorists” come across as the bumbling dads army, whereas the right wing terrorists are professional and carry out acts to maximum effect”.

    Yes, it IS strange. Actually, I can’t shake the feeling that Breivik’s attacks were carried out far more efficiently than if they were carried out by the United States armed forces.

    Israel? (No ideological reason for asking – just that they are the most efficient killers I know of).

  32. Alara,

    Sorry – these right wing nuts all look the same to me

  33. Glenn Greenwald has just posted: “Confused – my Al Jazeera interview is taped, not live – so forget the 9 am EST tweet – will post when it’s airing”
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    Sorry ’bout that.

  34. Tom Welsh and Muslim Anarchist, why is it you think that Muslim terrorists are simply “bumbling Dad’s Army” types? Does that endearing image fit with the Mumbai killers? Or – dare I say it – with the 9/11 attackers?
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    “the perpetrators inevitably end up dead so we can never know what motivated them. For example richard reid”
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    I’d never heard that Richard Reid was dead and it appears to be a fact that has been systematically ignored by all online sources, MSM and Wikipedia. Do tell…
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    Also one of the killers in Mumbai was caught alive and remains alive in Indian custody.

  35. Listening to the judge’s verdict and the translation, I was thinking how strange the language sounds with its rhythms and rises and falls. Does English sound as strange to the Norwegians?
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    I had not realised that there were two versions of the Norwegian language.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_language

  36. Scouse Billy

    25 Jul, 2011 - 3:00 pm

    Mary, it is almost impossible to hear the sound of one’s own language – psychologically the pure sound is overwhelmed by our effort to interpret meaning.

    I was once lucky enough to hear English as it sounds. Having been living in Spain and only speaking (and thinking) in Spanish I came out of the shower one day to the beautiful intriguing sound of my flatmates radio in another room. I was drawn to a strangely familiar melodic voice and as I approached I realised it was an English woman on the BBC World Service. Meaning kicked in and the experience had gone.

    I have never forgotten this privileged moment.

  37. ‘Isn’t it extraordinary that right wing terrorists are seldom called terrorists, and are always said to have acted alone. Muslim terrorists, however, are always part of the international al-Qaida network, even when they and their motives were obviously homegrown.’

    True, but the media’s differing treatment of far right terrorism & muslim terrorism extends to other areas as well. The latter is often said to be related to a ‘root cause’ be it Israel/Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq etc. This excuse is rarely deployed in the case of far right terrorism. (Breivik himself seems to want to play this card, however- hence his court appearance today being held in camera).

    I also find it interesting that Grauniad types who normally warn against ‘moral panic’ after heinous crimes take place indulge in this vice to the full when heinous crimes are committed by far right extremists like Breivik. Their belief in ‘liberal sentancing guidelines’ also tends to go out of the window when confronted by cases such as this.

    The reactions of most people to terrible events like Oslo are knee-jerk & atavistic; cool-headed consistency is very hard to attain in these circumstances.

  38. I use to be on myspace around that time, and remember a person who wrote like this man. I beleived he was of Jewish origin by his fervent support for all things IDF, but now I see that IDF inspired him to kill unarmed people in the name of some racialist/religeous unknown war.

  39. “I beleived he was of Jewish origin by his fervent support for all things IDF, but now I see that IDF inspired him to kill unarmed people in the name of some racialist/religeous unknown war.”
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    You know nothing of the sort.

  40. AngrySoba, yes you are right the 911 attacks where very professional. they did after all manage to bring down the third building just by wishing it. And you are right the mubai attacks where an example of a highly efficient and planned terrorist attack.
    I was thinking more of the glasgow airport attack, or richard reid or the guys arrested for terrorism charges because of paintballing, or the deadly plot to blow up airoplanes using ink cartridges.
    I think my point was that if someone was really intent on carrying out terrorist attacks then they would be planned in detail, just like the mubai attack or the norway attack. For years the french resistance sabotaged railway lines, or fuel depots, but it seems that the height of muslim planning attacks in the west is a bomb strapped to their chest.

  41. Craig Murray

    25 Jul, 2011 - 7:50 pm

    I have amended two words in the posting to take account of Alara’s point above.

  42. ‘Norge’ isn’t Breivik.

    I’m a gamer myself. ‘Norge’s taste in games isn’t the same as Breivik’s. Brevik, contrary to what you claim, isn’t a wargamer. He likes mainstream “first person shooters”(games where you see through the eyes of a guy with a gun, shooting at bad guys) -his favourite is called ‘Modern Warfare 2′, which might have confused you – and “role playing games” – games where you control a character moving through a fantasy world solving quests. ‘Norge’ on the other hand, plays wargames (games where the player moves an army about a map trying to fight a battle) from the ‘Total War’ series.

    In one post, Norge says that Modern Warfare 3 ‘looks like the same crap we’ve had for 3 years now’, which I parse to mean he’s dismissing Modern Warfare 2, and another game called ‘Black Ops’ -games from the same series released in the past 3 years, as ‘crap’. MW2 is Breivik’s favourite first person shooter.

    Breivik’s online writings reference the terms ‘cultural marxists’ and ‘multiculturalism’ heavily. ‘Norge’ rarely, if ever, uses either.

    ‘Norge’ is very pro-Israel, signing off with Israeli flags and the word ‘Shalom’. Breivik is also Zionist, but it seems to be a minor focus of his attention.

    And the one that convinces me:
    Breivik hates rock music. ‘Norge’ lists his favourite bands as ‘Underoath, Alexisonfire, Every time I die, Rise Against, Tool.’.

    These guys are not the same

  43. Aim Here,

    Thank you – that is pretty convincing.

  44. When I read that Breivik was said to have been active on the blog, Gates of Vienna, it rang a bell with me; about three years ago I posted a pro-Palestinian comment on a YouTube clip, and I received a nasty personal message in my YouTube in-box as a result;

    “thegatesofvienna (3 years ago)
    You disgusting anti-semite pile of shit.
    Take your foul mouthed Jew hating Hitler arselicking carcass and go spew your filthy vomit elsewhere.
    There’s no place for repulsive anti-semite trolls like you on this site.”

    As you can see the message was from somebody called “thegatesofvienna”, and having just check, this account is still online;

    http://www.youtube.com/user/thegatesofvienna

    I am somewhat relived to note that this person is registered as being in Austria rather than Norway, as it would be quite disquieting to think that I had attracted the attention of a future mass murdering psycho.

    Apparently the Website that Breivil is said to have been an occasional commenter to, appears to be this one;

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

  45. Page after page about Breivik in yesterday’s Daily Mail. So imagine my surprise when I reached page 14 and discovered Melanie Philips’ column was all about … Amy Winehouse.

  46. ‘Gates of Vienna’ – a reference, of course, to the various Ottoman sieges of Vienna. The head of the Right-wing party in Slovakia recently tried to frighten voters by saying (I paraphrase): “Do you want Bratislava to be full of turbans?” Parts of what is now southern Slovakia were in the Ottoman Empire and for centuries it formed the frontier b/w the territories of the Hapsburgs and those of the Ottomans. But it’s obviously a common theme among the Far Right, right across ‘our European home’.
    .
    Answer: Yes!! I want everywhere to be full of enormous, all-embracing multicoloured, polyvalent singing turbans!
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    I want to dress the Duke of York’s ten thousand people in extremely large turbans and march them again and again, back and forth, through the gates of Vienna! Here is my army:
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    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=turbans,+1920s,+pics&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=UdV&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&biw=1016&bih=565&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HDQvTu6CO8y38QOMir13&ved=0CCMQsAQ
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    On, to Victory!

  47. One of the claims made by EDL leader Stephen Lennon (“Tommy Robinson”) in that appalling softball interview by Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight was that he knew nothing of Daryl Hobson, the EDL member who had revealed links between the EDL and Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik. Lennon dismissed Hobson as just some “random” member of the EDL’s Facebook page.
    .
    Unsurprisingly, given Lennon’s record of lying, it turns out that relations between Daryl Hobson and the EDL leadership were rather closer than that. Here, courtesy of Hope not hate and Expose, are photos of Hobson with both Lennon and EDL co-leader Kevin Carroll.
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    http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/7/27/lennons-lie-exposed-but-not-by-jeremy-paxman.html

  48. Mary: English does not sound weird to Norwegians (but we do learn English from the age of 8 or so), but Norwegian is usually noted as being a language that sounds like singing to most foreigners, mostly because of our vocals =)

    (sorry for being off topic, but had to respond..)

  49. Similar-sounding to Shetlandic, Eivind. There are lots of Norwegian words in Shetlandic. Robert Alan Jamieson is one of the most respected Shetlandic writers:
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    http://shetlopedia.com/Robert_Alan_Jamieson
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    In relation to my previous post, I’m sure Alan (as he is known) will wear a turban and march through the Gates of Vienna, singing his powerful poems in loudest Shetlandic!

  50. Xraig,

    That “Norway” signature you mention (on the online wargaming forum) is not Breivik. On this forum he uses the signature “Sigurd Jorsalfare”, As far as I can see from the few posts, he’s only talking about these wargames. And he played a lot.

    OAN: I wonder who the writer is behind that “email from Norway” that Pam Geller has on her website. She didn’t give out the name, but when I read it, it sure sounds as Breivik’s rantings. Notice also that signature “magnus andersson”. Very similar to Breivik too. He used a lot of aliases on the net – among them also “year2180″ and “year2080″, the latter being in the title of his so called manifesto.
    Two, three years ago he wrote on document.no about this “book” of his. He said that, for the past three years he had been working full time with a project and that this book/project was called 2080. He added: BTW, it is 1100 pages.

    Best wishes from Sweden!

  51. The correct aliases should of course be “year2183″ and “year2083″. Sorry!
    I also forgot to mention that he’s been active at stormfront.org
    Yesterday his alias year2183 was working, not tonight, though.

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