Officials expressed concern that Fox and Werritty might even have been in freelance discussions with Israeli intelligence agencies.

That seems to be the only line in the articlwe that could be seen the way that you imply. A bit thin don’t you think?

I will wait and see, while others with contacts have a root around.

Fox Admits Treasonable Behaviour “Inappropriate and Unwise”

Embattled defence secretary Liam Fox appeared to repudiate his membership of the Tories’ Hang and Flog Brigade when he expressed regret at the treason which has come to light over recent weeks.

In mitigation of his offences, Fox pointed to his personal victory over the forces of evil in Libya and, in an emotional appearance with David Cameron, agreed fervently with the Prime Minister that “everyone above a certain income bracket deserves a second chance” …

Yes, Craig, it is treasonable. but it reflects a deeper underlying reality. The British state is a Jekyl and Hyde outfit: the good doctor represents the lawful, constitutional front, Werrity the links to a shadow state directly representing transnational, oligarchical and imperial interests. This is not new , witness Rhodes’ Round Table, but it is becoming increasingly visible. Increasingly, things just can’t be left in the hands of state representatives and Coulsons and Werritys will be cropping up everywhere. For Britain to become a functioning democracy the role of the shadow state must be exposed, as you are doing. Casting the light of day into these murky shadows will send them scurrying. This is the meaning of transparency.

“…..Records at Companies House show Hylton, who runs Hintze’s charitable foundation, is the only director of Pargav, which is registered at 60 Goswell Road, London. The company has yet to file any accounts……”

Front company. Nothing unusual in that. In the political underworld: if it has a tail, four legs and barks it’s a dog.

At the very least, Foxy has behaved like a self-centred loose cannon while in charge of one of the great offices of state. Should be booted out of office in short order. Case closed.

Colin, for Britain to become a functioning democracy it would need a brand new constitution for a start. The present one can in no way be called democratic (except of course that it is).

The old saying is that a week is a long time in politics. It is not even a week yet since Craig wrote on October 11th about Fox. {http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/10/fox/}
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but we missed Rupert Neate in the Guardian on August 18th last year.
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Liam Fox’s friend set up crucial legal meeting
Adam Werritty organised talks over row with 3M on MRSA technology

Rupert Neate guardian.co.uk, Thursday 18 August 2011 21.04 BST Article history
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Defence secretary Liam Fox. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA
Liam Fox relied on a close personal friend rather than his team of official advisers to broker a crucial meeting at the heart of an explosive legal battle involving the defence secretary, it has emerged.
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A Guardian investigation into Fox’s role in an alleged threat to withdraw a knighthood from a businessman has revealed that Fox sought the advice of Adam Werritty, a long-term “friend” who ran a charity set up by Fox which was later suspended by regulators.
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Werritty, who purports to be one of Fox’s official advisers but is not a government employee, organised a “private meeting” for Fox to discuss a highly explosive legal case that centres on life-saving MRSA technology the MoD and its private equity partner, Porton Capital, sold to 3M, the US Post-it note maker.
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/….http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/aug/18/liam-fox-friend-set-up-crucial-legal-talks.

Lordy, Mr Murray. Patrick Wintour simply isn’t a journalist. He is, judging by his laughable ‘journalism’, a ridiculous pravda-esque apologist for … whatever. Every ‘liberal intervention’ article by this sad, embarrassing, stooge of power just makes me laugh.

In fairness, Mr Murray knows this, and I guess the post is about the lack of MSM investigation of the issue.

Also is the UK a sovereign nation, a sovereign nation makes its own laws and controls its borders, I am pretty sure we are no longer a sovereign.

Is not Murdoch and Israeli citizen? they bow to Murdoch, so what if Fox bends over for Werrity. Is not the whole of the US congress in the pockets of the Israeli Lobby,

I’m glad to see the real issues surfacing after the trivia are skimmed off.

Caution: Mentioning Israeli intelligence services in public usually attracts Megaphone trolls with charges of antisemitism.

Mentioning Patrick Wintour…hmmm. Good to see he’s not the only source.

As you imply here :

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/03/the_incredibly/

The UK has never been a “nation.
Only the English confuse UK, Britain, Country, Nation.

Perhaps, amongst other things, telling him how he could re-model the British Armed Forces into a facsimile of the Israeli military, i.e. a high-tech small force? Seem to recall that Rumsfeld was similarly (disastrously) advised pre Iraq. For a man with high ambitions, thwarted by the inertia of the existing top brass and MoD, such insightful and doubtless detailed policy advice might have provided a useful edge during those strained departmental negotiations.

Is not Murdoch and Israeli citizen?
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No. Whatever gave you that idea???

Mary, Stephen Newton is worth a read on the association between Fox’s Atlantic Bridge and ALEC ( http://www.stephennewton.com/atlantic-bridge-american-legislative-exchange-council/ ). ALEC is a US lobby grouping funded by, among others, the Koch brothers. It spent a lot of effort rubbishing the NHS model in the US in order to denigrate public healthcare. It is also in the climate change denial camp. It has funded AB activities.

Osama, rest in peace. No-one mentioned Jews.

Fail. Read this and try again.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf
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[Mod - this is a reply to a deleted comment by "Osama bin Laden", who is banned.]

Nick Robinson of the BBC said that the ‘wealthy backers’ who paid Werritty saw him as someone 2 champion Eurosceptic, pro-American and pro-Israeli policies. Remember, the zionists were first to approve of the large scale killings of Tamil civilians, when they destroyed the Tamil Tigers, and weapons were reported to have been sold by Israel to Sri Lanka. I wonder how many of those arms deals involved British middle men?

Remember, the zionists were first to approve of the large scale killings of Tamil civilians, when they destroyed the Tamil Tigers, and weapons were reported to have been sold by Israel to Sri Lanka.
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The Sri Lankan government has Israeli-made planes but I doubt very much that the Sri Lankan government needs the approval or the urging of “Zionists” to attack the Tamil Tigers or kill Tamil civilians. As it happens when this went before the UN Human Rights Council – or whatever the body was called at the time – the countries that insisted it was an internal matter and nothing to do with the international community were Egypt, India, China and Cuba.

[i]Is not Murdoch and Israeli citizen?

No. Whatever gave you that idea???[/i]

My guess is he’s muddled him up with Robert Maxwell.

I know that he is unlikely to have many friends on this blog but Guido Fawkes is reporting that there is a spin operation in full swing, with kind of smoke screen about the hedge fund CQS, this being the suggestion of ‘impropriety,’ it makes it sound more financial than strategic.

One further point: the question as to whether Werrity was an agent of influence. Isn’t it more likely that he was a lobbyist, or a kind of back channel, as the identity of an agent of influence, and their affiliations, are unknown to the people they try and influence whereas here it more likely that Fox knew who was paying the bills.

Looks like anyone with access to AB/ALEC/BICOM could buy a piece of Fox’s influence. The CQS allegation in plain is here -

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/10/14/the-bureau-recommends-conflict-of-interest-allegations-heap-pressure-on-dr-fox/

Werrity was simply a stooge, on this reading. He may even have been carrying fat brown envelopes of cash through Customs for Fox. I’m joking. (I think… If cash actually changed hands that would be too good to be true.)

OT: The Death of Dr. David Kelly, interesting backgrounder: youtube.com/watch?v=GY3sUoaNzqQ

Portaloo (remember him?) has decided which side will win.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15305366

Remember Sri Lanka, once called Ceylon, was part of our evil Empire. Many connections to the UK. Remember Joe Lyons and his tea imports.
Remember Rothschild even!
http://www.rothschildarchive.org/ib/articles/AR2004ceylon.pdf

The issue of whether this is a ‘money’ thing or an ‘intelligence’ thing is important. Werrity does look like a stooge of some kind, or kinds. There is no reason to think that Werrity is just a money stooge, or an intelligence stooge. He can be the happy amalgam of both.
The essence if the affair, however, is wider than just Fox. It is becoming apparent that Fox is part of an unofficial, slightly sub-surface international network of neocon agitators, with financial backers, lobbyists and activists. The objectives of this group are not subject to any kind of democratic process. Fox has adopted a policy position which has circumvented the processes of elected government and exposed our governance to be a charade. Certainly this network is merged with intelligence systems. And now it looks as if Fox has wilfuly merged official British foreign policy with those of an unaccountable and semi-secret quasi-commercial network. Cameron and the rest of the Tories must know this. Fox’s personal position is not a secret, although his promotion of a private position within a cabinet government is either a sacking offence, ( it cannot have any other outcome), or it is a commonly understood subterfuge shared by the cabinet and therefore some kind of conspiracy. Indeed, most of the political system, (like Nulab) must have some awareness of this matter.
(Milliband as usual to waken up).
That this process has been allowed to develop under the watch of Cameron is very serious as it points to a blurring of not just Fox’s commitment to an independent and democratically regulated foreign and defence policy but also that of the other cabinet members.

We( posters on this blog ) are virtually all people who recognise and oppose the huge dangers of lurching into the fascism that Fox represents, and is actively agitating and manoeuvring within and without government to achieve.
If Cameron does not act decisively there will be big trouble as the full story is leaking out even with the best efforts of the BBC and others, to damp down the story.We are cetainly aproaching some kind of tipping point when we take into account the continuing lunacy of their economic policy, which is also so clearly not concerned with the well-being of the nation.

The point here is that the unseen agendas and affiliations that prominent politicians develop, on the basis of hidden ideological and/or financial activities or dispositions, rarely come into the view of the public and even when they do become visible, are skilfully shrouded.

Blair (and his other nulab slothery) has been too clever to be caught with his pants down, and has so far evaded being called to account. His luck is holding (for the moment) but here we have an example of someone nowhere near as clever, where the shrouds and devious distractions are so clumsily deployed, that Fox’s, filthy drawers and stinking mingery are being exposed. It is not a pretty sight. his squalid skidmarks ( or is that hallmarks)are everywhere.
in my fantasy moments, I see Fox being ‘harshed’ ( the interrogation technique he defended in parliament) by military intelligence. The irony is sublime.

And also a blog called Jews in Sri Lanka http://jews-in-sri-lanka.blogspot.com/ and a Wikipedia page entitled History of Jews in Sri Lanka.
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Deep Green – Did you see that Channel 4 link I sent the other day about a Colonel leaving the army to become a priest after he had failed to get the interrogation methods changed?
{http://www.channel4.com/news/top-army-lawyer-slams-mod-over-human-rights-abuses}

Cameron is doing so much supporting, firstly of Fox and now of Letwin, he is in danger of becoming a pillar. I said ‘pillar’! There are so many jokes doing the rounds now, mostly about Fox, some of them quite near the knuckle.

Sunflower, Dominic Grieve, I’m now convinced, should resign as well as Liam Fox having just watched the Dr David Kelly youtube link in your comment. I was glad to learn from it that Margaret Hindle has set up an inquest fund http://www.inquest4drdk.co.uk and checking this discovered that £33,000 has been raised in a week to pursue private inquest proceedings. All money will be returned should an inquest not be proved possible.

@mary -yes indeed, and my reference to harshing with Fox as the victim, was based on the footage there. It was very alarming revelation of the direction we have taken in this country. My ongoing horror at the fate of Baha Mousa and the costs which have been incurred in that brutality, ( clearly illegal, not just immoral or the accidental act of fearful squaddies ), just reinforces my sense that major nulab figures must be called to account for their endorsement of the policies that so clearly led to Baha Mousa’s torture and death. Baha Mousa, ( my intuition tells me) is Blair’s (and nulab’s) achilles heel. These people hide behind the impersonal nature of government decision making, but Baha Mousa is highly personal and his image is becoming iconic. How Blair can see the photograph of him, and still keep standing, I do not know. My fantasy fate for Blair is life in a cell decorated with unremovable, continuous images of Baha Mousa, both with his family, and after his treatment by the British army.

Cameron is in a very tight spot here. If he sacks Fox he is creating internal tory trouble, and if he fails to act decisively he is in big trouble within the country and the blogosphere and even in the erstwhile supplicant murdoch media, who no longer have a private arrangement to provide Cameron and his government with soft and fluffy media ‘cover’. Even his coalition people, (Clegg!) are exposed by this matter. It must be intolerable for Clegg to stay in post if Cameron allows Fox to remain. If Clegg were to remain in the government with Fox still there, Clegg would in effect be committing a truly final political suicide for the entire Lib Dem party.( so far he has just been doing serious self-harm).
We need to keep up the pressure. The longer Cameron fails to act ( i.e protect seriously damaged and indefensible goods) the more the damage to him, and the coalition.
I love it, watching that loathsome lot squirming.
If only we had a decent opposition. If they don’t act, they are also seen as weak and complicit in a potentially treasonous act. The affair has the potential to be a unique ‘high’ defining moment in politics.

BBC saying Breaking News that many rumours about Fox resigning. If he does, and of course he should, the mire and mendacity behind his activities, must be given the fullest possible police investigation and if crimes have been committed, arrests should follow.

Sky News reporting Fox to resign.
(The more I look at him the more he looks like a used car salesman.)

Puddleduck. I don’t think that this affair will have the potential to be that defining moment you hope for. We have seen countless times Ministers get involved with people and dodgy deals, and usually they end up resigning and that is that. David Davis might take over at Defence, which would be a bit of a headache for Cameron perhaps, but would probably be quite popular more broadly. I don’t think the great mass of the public are even that interested in this, even if you could show, somehow, that Fox was being influence by the agents of a foreign power. This will not bring down the Coalition government.

Fox has resigned. 16.10 hrs

DLJ Are you by any chance based at No.10 or even Millbank the Tory HQ?

What will happen as a result of all this? My hopelessly confident prediction: nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing again – just like yesterday, just like tomorrow. Nothing. Yawn. What’s on the telly?
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I’ve posted this before. I may very well post it again. Sadly, in the real world, Birnam Wood is staying where it was planted.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e8avPkjRL4

Mary, no I am not. Are you?

appartently Fox has resigned

TFS

It was his connection to this outfit wot dun it apparently.
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http://www.g3.eu/index.php?page=home
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Doesn’t all of this swill and his support of it diminish Cameron?

I wonder whether there is any connection between this case and the strange tale of Oliver Letwin, caught on five occasions inexplicably disposing of confidential papers in a litter bin in St James’s Park. What a shame the Mirror didn’t think to leave a photographer concealed at the scene to see if anyone came by later to pick them up.

The basic trade craft of intelligence agencies is buying information from informants; using whatever the target has a weakness for – drugs, prostitutes, young boys or cold hard cash. The other is buying journalists and selling (mis)information to the public.

As deep green puddock suggests – many in the cabinet must know who Werritty is or at least those he represents.

DLJ wrote : “Puddleduck. I don’t think that this affair will have the potential to be that defining moment you hope for. We have seen countless times Ministers get involved with people and dodgy deals, and usually they end up resigning and that is that. David Davis might take over at Defence, which would be a bit of a headache for Cameron perhaps, but would probably be quite popular more broadly. I don’t think the great mass of the public are even that interested in this, even if you could show, somehow, that Fox was being influence by the agents of a foreign power. This will not bring down the Coalition government.”

The great mass of the public are not the arbiters of British policy, and never were. The issue is not the downfall of this or that government. What has been achieved is the illumination of a very murky area of government practice, in such a way that its practitioners are forced to acknowledge it. And the next time it happens (and it will), this will be remembered, and a few more people capable of promoting change will be convinced that letting foreign interests buy their way into deciding our affairs is possibly not a brilliant idea. The wheels turn slowly, but they still turn.

hi DLT
Defining moment? well maybe not yet but there is now going to be a period of inquest and digging over Fox’s and Werrity’s links. the protection has now gone from Fox, he is dead meat( great) which may yet lead to a defining moment. Remember that the coalition was a (feeble) attempt by the electorate to escape Brown’s follies. Cameron was not heartily endorsed-it was a grudging, lesser of two evils sort of choice

That was just a year ago. If the process can lead to more revelations, and more trouble internally, events can go out of the control of the government very quickly especially if there is widespread indignation and resistance to the economic policies being pursued by these shysters.
My normally rather staid workplace is a ferment of discussion about the latest political and economic capers. I have never seen such an interest in ‘big’ politics and economics before, not in nearly 40 years, All of the comment is becoming much more indignant and less and less tolerant of what is so clearly being done to this country by a cabal of profesional political imposters and sycophants to hidden ideological and commercial agendas and dubious loyalties.

The electorate may then be faced with all parties as visibly and palpably corrupt and unelectable. People must ask the question why Cameron chose Fox- a visibly doubtful and odious character, who had even seriously fiddled his expenses but got away with it. I think this issue has more potential to be a defining moment than you think. Clegg has also climbed into bed with this stinking low filth and self-smeared. How long do you think the coalition charade can hold up?

Obama is now looking unelectable, but the republicans/tea party are ‘throwing up’ all kinds of weird stuff that makes Sarah Palin look almost like a sane choice by comparison . The quality of the line -up is laughable.
Europe is in another transparently unworkable fudge of the bankrupt banks, in contradiction of any kind of sane policy of recovery and cooperation. We have the bank of england doing another QE? with people now openly asking why public funds are being used to prop up a worthless system of corrupt money management.
You don’t think we are in a defining moment? Wake up.
BTW a Puddock is frog, not a duck. And at the moment i am feeling a little like one of those wee extremely toxic ones that sit on the leaves of Brazilian rainforest trees and are used to provide the poison for the arrows of the natives.

One problem, no actually two problems with what you are saying Komodo. Scandal in government is common, it happens all the time. Perhaps it is my age (or your youth) I wouldn’t know. You are right, and I was right, this will not cause the collapse of the present government. But is it likely to contribute in any significant way to any systemic change. In fact, you could argue that the revelations about Dr Fox and his resignation are actually an indication that the democratic elements of the system are in good health. The free press found out about his dodgy relationships, and the Minister resigns. After all, he has resigned, so that shows something about the capacity of corruption to continue just as it wants, i.e., it can’t continue unchecked in the cold light of day.

A good day for the British system? No and yes.

Fox falls on his Zionist sword:
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http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/DrLiamFoxResigns.htm
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The 1% retreat for now – BRAVO!

There are fourteen uses of the first person singular in Fox’s letter which says it all. Puffed up, opinionated and full of his own importance. Jumped up little twerp. I hope his gleesome threesome is very happy.

The zionist madmen are hell-bent on attacking Iran… youtube.com/watch?v=QX8_nbRq0Tg
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First they invent a “terror-plot” and then make war, how unusual… zerohedge.com/contributed/no-one-buying-iranian-terror-allegations

PS Perhaps Mr Letwin will be kind enough to put the report, which is being compiled by Sue Gray – Director, Propriety and Ethics and HMU for the Private Offices Group Cabinet Office, Salary £94,999, and which most likely is now abandoned, in the St James Park litter bin. http://yfrog.com/kj5jhkej
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I got that info about Sue Gray from Sky News and found her details on this amazingly long list of civil servants who work in Whitehall.
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{http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jun/16/civil-service-organisation-charts}

The Werritty/Fox affair exposed a window into a shadow State in Britain connected to Israeli intelligence as Colin Buchanan so eloquently reveals in his comment:
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‘The British state is a Jekyl and Hyde outfit: the good doctor represents the lawful, constitutional front, Werrity the links to a shadow state directly representing transnational, oligarchical and imperial interests.’
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Fox resignation today is an attempt to rapidly close the window blinds on this affair before the ‘oligarchical and imperial mechanisms are damaged beyond repair.
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We owe a debt of gratitude to Craig for his reluctance to follow the ‘narrow’ money trail, instead revealing a much darker and sinister concern amongst forthright employees in the upper echelons of British governance and guardians national security..
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Honourableness and incorruptibility prevail and it is those traits that will soon reveal the demise of David Kelly RIP and solve the riddles currently perplexing Ant and Bridget my friends at J7.

@ DLJ. Your faith in the democratic process is touching. But as I said, it is not the demos which determines our response to world political events. The ingrained prejudices of our elected rulers are far more potent than their constituents’ wishes. These can be mediated (or occasionally mitigated) through our permanent Civil Service, but ultimately our very human leaders are as susceptible to the levers of avarice or lust as anyone else. More so, since their power is greater, and there is more incentive for outsiders to subvert them.

Nice of you to credit me with relative youth, though. It’s not visible in the mirror.

A nos moutons: R4′s latest report on Fox’s resignation names Lewis, Hintze and Zabludowicz, and also mentions the Israeli connection. Lewis (BICOM) and Zabludowicz (BICOM) are astonished that the cash was used personally by Werrity. This was not their intention. They are cuddly bunnies whose only interest is the promotion of peace and goodwill in the Middle East. Hintze (bensix alleges, BICOM) is even more appalled. He has fired his bagman for displaying naivety in handing money to Werrity. Poor old Werrity. Shot by both sides. Maybe he didn’t know he was expendable?

The continuing spin designed to keep the I-word off the front pages should be amusing, anyway.

Just read the front of The Times while in Waitrose. At last the truth is coming out. Good riddance to bad rubbish and may this run and run. It needs to be public. Shameful.

What connection could this have to the fact that the Libya campaign is an unmitigated disaster and I mean a mliitary disaster not just a propaganda one. According to Allain Jules the fall of Tripoli is imminent:

http://inthesenewtimes.com/2011/10/14/libya-alert-tripoli-set-alight/

That the attack on Sirte has obviously failed can be gleaned from mainstream media, e.g. AFP.

Consider: what are the implications for the British government of having recognised an entity, the TNC, which is non-existant, meaning the names and whereabouts of its members can’t be established? What are the implications for a British government for having backed an Al Qaeda affiliate, by any other name, in Libya and lost? What are the implications for the British government of the war crimes committed in Libya which will be fully exposed as the reality of defeat becomes apparent?

Just a thought!

Blair went over to Mossad when he covered up the reason for Richard Dearlove’s resignation. Dearlove had been working for Mossad and had signed off on the Saudi bombings black op at the behest of the Israelis.

These photos of the wreckage in Sirte serve as a lasting legacy of Fox’s and NATO’s horror enacted on the city. It was a beautiful place with a hospital and university. 78,000 people lived there. {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirt}

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049108/Libya-wars-stand-Sirte-Pictures-city-shelled-smithereens.html

Chloe Smith (another Conservative Friend of Israel and a recent visitor to Israel with CFoI) who was a candidate in the election Craig fought in Norwich North, is certainly a chosen one. She has been elevated by Cameron to replace Justine Greening. She has only been in the Commons since July 2009.
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Chloe Smith, currently an assistant whip in the House of Commons, to become economic secretary at the Treasury. (BBC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloe_Smith

The Drones, just another computer game? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/drone-virus-nuisance/
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It does bring MMORPG to a new dimension.

Must be getting dull for you, being right all the time. Still, it’s everybody else’s fault, not yours

I have noticed that a lot of the spin focuses on his, Fox’s need to resign due to his ‘misjudgement’ about mixing his personal and public lives, which, as I think we all agree, is not the real reason, that’s just a smokescreen. There are two meanings to private being mixed up here: personal, and private (meaning not public). The spin blames the intrusion of the personal, whereas the real reason is the private activities of people in public office.

The Russians should send the Black Sea fleet to relieve Sirte. Send e-mails to the Russian Embassy in London today. E-mail: foreignpolicy@rusemb.org.uk
Former Congressman Fauntroy was in Tripoli when the TNC arrived. He saw the French and Danish special forces beheading people in the street. The TNC is no match for Gadaffi’s stay-behind army. When NATO pulls out, Gadaffi and his family will be back in Tripoli in a week. So much for Dearlove’s Wikileaks/Al-Qaeda revolutions. By the way, according to Lord James speaking in the House of Lords last November, there was over a billion pounds for ‘North African terrorists’ in the Bank of England. Our taxes paid for the Libyan thugs.

British politics is rotten to the core.

@Richard – not quite clear who that criticism is addressed to?

You are a fool to appeal to the Russians, they are both incompetent and capable, have proven more capable, of more bestiality and barbarism than practically any other nation on earth.

Gadaffi has a good record of shit in this regard too. Don’t forget that. He is the author of his own misfortune.

Your (Gordon is a …) report seems to be sourced to this mathaba web site which is undoubtedly a crock of propaganda shit for Gadaffi. I found this lovely quote. You call for the Russians to intervene and cite this bullshit. You immediately discredit yourself and appear as an enemy of our country – “left or right2. (“You may think this is an exaggeration, but it is not: Muammar Gaddafi is not just the leader of Libya. He is a global leader, because his Green Book anticipated, by decades, the Third Universal Theory, otherwise known as The Third Universal Way.”)

“My Country Left or Right”

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/My_Country/english/e_mcrol

“Gordon is a …” … plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

Just listening to a R4 play on the topic of “Dame” Shirley Porter’s time at Westminster Council. 5p cemeteries, gerrymandering and all. Takes me back to the good old days when an elected official could do what they bloody well liked, pocket the profits, and sod the electorate.

And then piss off to Israel…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Porter

Off thread, but definitely related.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/12/us/analysis-iran-saudi-plot/

Finally, the mainstream media comes close to telling us the truth about terror attacks planned by countries we’d like to invade. The whole tone of the above article is derisive which, considering the source, has to count as progress.

Some snippets from Philip Hammond’s Wikipedia page.
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He joined the medical equipment manufacturers Speywood Laboratories Ltd in 1977, becoming a director of Speywood Medical Limited in 1981. In 1982, an automatic electrocardiograph electrode manufacturing plant figured among his notable achievements. He left in 1983. From 1984, he was a director in Castlemead Ltd, and from 1993–35 he was a partner in CMA Consultants, and from 1994, a director in Castlemead Homes.[5] He has had many business interests including house building and property, manufacturing, healthcare and oil and gas. He has undertaken various consulting assignments in Latin America for the World Bank in Washington, D.C., and was a consultant to the government of Malawi from 1995 until his election to Parliament.
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Hammond’s wealth is estimated at £7.5m – £9m.
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He registers a donation from Michael Hintze too!! and states ‘I am a beneficiary of a trust which owns a controlling interest in Castlemead Ltd, a company engaged in construction, housebuilding and property development.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hammond

In other news, US sends troops into Uganda.

May I suggest that Mr Fox – when one glances around parliament – is not unique in this respect.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/081022/081022.pdf
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Cameron’s register of interests 2008
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15 March 2008, private plane from Newcastle to Biggin Hill, provided by Michael Hintze on
behalf of CQS, London. (Registered 20 March 2008)
6 May 2008, donation from Michael Hintze to the Conservative Party to help sponsor two
drinks receptions hosted by me for Conservative MPs and their partners. (Registered 20 May
2008)

Osborne’s too
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In my capacity as Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer, support for my office is received
from:
Mr S Robertson, of London.
Mr Michael Hintze
and the same flight as Cameron
15 March 2008, private plane from Newcastle to Biggin Hill, provided by Michael Hintze on
behalf of CQS, London. (Registered 1 April 2008
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Arbuthnot and Willetts also declare hospitality and financial donations respectively from Hintze and of course Fox which we know about ad nauseam.

Hintze appears in this 2008 article. By short selling Bradford and Bingley, his outfit assisted in its collapse and contributed to the crash and thence the bail out which we, our children and grandchildren will be paying for in decades hence. No wonder Hintze has been funding the leading Tories pre and post election.
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Bastards all.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/sep/29/partyfunding.toryconference

Bastards all, it is.

News at Ten wheeled in Fox’s friend, Daniel Kawczynski, who was remarkably evasive when pressed about Fox’s er, alleged transgressions against the ministerial code. Daniel’s website obligingly supplies details of the MP’s Code of Conduct.

http://www.daniel4shrewsbury.co.uk/job.php?var=1

Maybe he should read it.

Off to discover more about Daniel….

DLJ, I sense an anachronistic problem with your statement that the Russians “. . .have proven more capable, of more bestiality and barbarism than practically any other nation on earth.”
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Are we talking today? Or in the past? And are we talking the Russian people? The Russian government? Or Russian oligarchs? The last currently besmirch our green and pleasant land.

Friends of Fox.
#2. Daniel Kawczynski

He’s as thick as two short ones, it seems.

http://www.labourlist.org/tom-guise-daniel-kawczynski

And what happened to Atlantic Bridge? It’s Transatlantic Bridge now.

Who’s next? Its other Tory mentors maybe?

The plot thickens here:

http://labourlist.org/fox-resignation-leaves-many-questions-unanswered
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“But even with Fox gone, too many questions remain unanswered. Today, Geraldine Peacock, who was chair of the Charity Commission from 2002 to 2006, backed this blogger’s call for the commission to re-open its investigation of the Atlantic Bridge, and more specifically to consider whether misspent charity money should be repaid. Peacock would also like the commission to look at the level of benefit received by Liam Fox, who was a trustee. I would like that investigation to also ask whether others involved in running the charity – including advisory board members George Osborne, William Hague, Michael Gove, Chris Grayling, Eleanor Laing and John Whittingdale – benefited in any way.
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The Atlantic Bridge’s UK charity was required to cease all its activities in July 2010 as none served any charitable purpose. It was given until September 2011 to clean-up its act, but instead opted to wind-up. Its assets were demised to another charity that neither the commission nor the Atlantic Bridge itself will reveal. Last night Newsnight revealed that senior Atlantic Bridge personnel have established a new organisation, Transatlantic Bridge, and have confirmed that the Atlantic Bridge will live on despite the winding up of its UK charity; it has always consisted of multiple legal entities and the US charity continues to trade despite questions from the IRS.

I wonder if there is something else in play ?, first Murdoch now Fox, a war going on inside the far right, a war for power ?.
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“In politics, nothing happens by accident, if it happens, you can bet it was planned that way”
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Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945)

Guest, that’s almost a Marxist statement, the far right vying for power.
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Roosevelt was only part right. Fox’s demise was an accident. It was bad judgment on his part. I doubt Fox was a puppet. There is much more to emerge when all the financial backers of Werritty are brought to light.

Still, good riddance to Fox, the back benches are far too good for him, but I’m sure he will be able to disgrace them too. It’s time for a full frontal assault on Dominic Grieve, attorney general, who believes himself to be above the law.

There’s certainly friction within the Tories. Cameron has promoted a couple of smily-face Osbornites to replace the Thatcherite Fox, so I guess he’s happier now. Not that I can see much difference – the nuances will be apparent to the faithful though. I am rather surprised that both the Times and the Telegraph have gleefully joined in the Foxhunt. Perhaps it was no real surprise to the Osborne faction that Fox had taken enough rope to hang himself?

But I’ll be interested to see if Hague, Gove and co remain in contact with Transatlantic Bridge…

John Goss, the far right have a history of fighting amongst themselves, they do it by nefarious means, always have. Given each other their FULL support while inserting the knife between the shoulder blades. Sophisticated deception, it keeps the party together.

Gutted by that shot of Sirte Mary – it reminds me of Iraq horror… Bastards!
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Gordon Logan – have u got a source?

Moulton’s statement re his donations to Fox and finally to Pargav.
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Who was the Conservative fundraiser? Anyone?
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“High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article.”

OK.
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http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2011/10/14/#axzz1anfcuGrT

deepgreenpuddock
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‘The essence if the affair, however, is wider than just Fox. It is becoming apparent that Fox is part of an unofficial, slightly sub-surface international network of neocon agitators, with financial backers, lobbyists and activists. The objectives of this group are not subject to any kind of democratic process. Fox has adopted a policy position which has circumvented the processes of elected government and exposed our governance to be a charade. Certainly this network is merged with intelligence systems. And now it looks as if Fox has wilfuly merged official British foreign policy with those of an unaccountable and semi-secret quasi-commercial network. Cameron and the rest of the Tories must know this. Fox’s personal position is not a secret, although his promotion of a private position within a cabinet government is either a sacking offence, ( it cannot have any other outcome), or it is a commonly understood subterfuge shared by the cabinet and therefore some kind of conspiracy. Indeed, most of the political system, (like Nulab) must have some awareness of this matter.’
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I think you’re absolutely right. Under the veneer of the government is a shadow or permanent government that makes major decisions and runs the intelligence services, part of whose remit is to raise as much money as possible in any manner. Many of the security companies stuffed full of ex-army/government people are I believe entities owned by the government within the government. You’ll find these companies worm their way round the world to suck in whatever they can. There’s also evidence that the intelligence services are involved in VAT and excise fraud – taxpayers’ money shifted out of the country to fund who knows what.

With regard to Chloe Smith I still stand by what I said in 2009,
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‘I think the the most logical answer as to who Chloe Smith works for is the intelligence services.
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If you take my belief that the political party in power is the executive of the Establishment/permanent unelected government the executive must be compliant. The executive must also have some support of the populace. If people feel they have no say then they may revolt.
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So it’s very important for those in power to maintain the three party system and to control those members of each party. It’s also very important for the incoming party to have a large majority so that it can pass legislation with a big majority. As the economy dips further and people become embittered then some very unpopular measures will have to be taken.
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How better to enhance a party’s image than with pretty young women. This I presume is aimed at bringing young people into political fold; the young are probably going to be the hardest hit in the recession and it’s the young who are more likely to go for violent revolution.
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So are the ‘babes’ the answer? How many of the ‘babes’ will have odd employment histories? Have these ‘babes’ been groomed by MI5 not just to be MPs but to rise as high as possible so that they can carry out the wishes of the Establishment/permanent unelected government all the whist the rest of the country happily believes it’s living in a democracy.’

According to Stephen Lendman in OpEdNews.com on October 10th 15 TNC fighters were killed outside Bani Walid, all were carrying Israeli ID’S. Late at night, UK SAS Regiment Forces entered Sirte to carry out a special operation. Reportedly 16 were captured and 44 were killed.

Is it something new? After all Blair was surrounded by men with links to Israel and the US is run on similar lines.

One also wonders whether Oliver Letwin is really that stupid that he dumps state documents in park bins – i presume without ripping them up – who was supposed to be picking them up?

Did fox go to keep Letwin out of the news?

The Zionist supporters boast here of their number within the mother of Parliaments.
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Israel Lobby in the British Parliament by the ZF and CFI
February 9, 2010
250 people and 73 MPs attend pro-Israel lobby at House of Commons to address major issues

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The ZF’s largest pro-Israel lobby of Parliament took place on Wednesday, 20th January 2010, addressed by leading members of all three political parties. The two main themes of the day were: the Law of Universal Jurisdiction and the threat of a nuclear Iran.
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Over 250 people attended the lobby, more than at any preceeding event, with standing room only in the largest committee room in the House of Commons. 73 MPs were seen and showed overwhelming support for the State of Israel and its search for peace, despite evident provocation and terrorist threats.

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http://www.doingzionism.org/about_us/activity.asp?id=495
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Daniel Kawczynski is amongst them.

Some extracts from the Register of Interests for Daniel Kawczynski. Like Fox, he is partial to globe trotting paid for by others. Who or what is Oliy Majilis of Uzbekistan?

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Name of donor:
(1)Uzbekistan Airways
(2)(3)CCC Group of Companies
Address of donor:
(1)1 Devonshire Street
(2)100035, Tashkent, Uzbekistan, 1 Bunyodkor Street
(3)11A West Halkin Street, London SW1 X8J
Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value):
(1)Upgrade from economy to business class of international flight from London to Tashkent and return; value £1,095
(2)Accommodation in Tashkent; value £745.20
(3)£1,488.35 (international flights between London and Tashkent; value £1,268, together with hotel subsistence in Tashkent; value £220.35
Destination of visit: Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Date of visit: 21-24 September 2010
Purpose of visit: to participate in visit of All-Party Parliamentary Group for Central Asia including the signing of a MOU with the Oliy Majilis of Uzbekistan.
(Registered 21 October 2010)
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15-20 February 2009, to Israel with the Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI), for meetings with politicians and officials and to visit the Golan Heights. Costs of the visit were paid by CFI. (Registered 11 March 2009)
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Name of donor: Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value): £5000
(Registered 15 October 2009)
Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value): £4000
(Registered 11 November 2009)
Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value): £980
Purpose of visit: to attend the Royal United Services’ Institute Euro-Mediterranean Security Conference.
(Registered 12 April 2010)
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29 August-2 September 2005, to India. Hotel accommodation provided by the Government of India. Flights paid for by Dr Liam Fox’s office from a donation by Mr Stanley Fink, a businessman from Middlesex. Upgrade on outward flight from Virgin. (Registered 12 October 2005)
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http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11817

Clarke: “Revolution or NWO?” That is a valid question.
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Cui bono?

More killing by US drones in Yemen yesterday.
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Yemen’s al-Qaeda media chief ‘killed in air strike’
The media chief of militant group al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) has been killed in an air strike in southern Yemen, Yemeni officials say.

The defence ministry said Ibrahim al-Banna, an Egyptian national, and six other militants were killed in the attack in Shabwa province on Friday.

Some reports said the attack involved US drones, others that it was by Yemeni planes.

US drones killed the group’s leader, Anwar al-Awlaki, last month.

Mossad has never been “intelligence” service! Mossad is a worldwide Jewish terrorist organization (let’s be precise)

I find it very strange that Letwin was dumping state documents in park bins!, why, he and his like have/employ underlings in their office to get rid of unwanted paperwork, why was he doing the menial work himself ?.

@Tomazow – bit harsh sweetie and quite hyperbolic. You try living in a region filled with disparate lunatics intent on self destruction and anihilation with only a common unity in wiping Israel off the map and the terrorist vs freedom fighter axiom becomes more relevant, wouldn’t ya say? Ho hum – none of my fucking business anyway, must dash, those Afghans / Libyans / Iraquis etc don’t kill themselves what what?

Ruth
You describe the purpose of the Mr Hyde part of government as assisting in raising money. But you omit the obvious, that the only method of raising money used by a non-manufacturing, service industry state, is to accept cash or loans from Zionist-controlled Banks to steer UK foreign policy to the Zionist, anti-Muslim agenda. The billion pound loans for military coups like Libya go on the national slate, to be picked up by you and me in due course.
The entire wealth of this country, since the empowering of the banks by Mrs Thatcher, is under the control of these banks.
As somebody said above, the veneer on the split personality of government is being removed. That is not a sign of weakness but of supreme confidence that nobody can do anything about it.
The moral of the Jekyll and Hyde story is that if you keep a Hyde in your personality, it will rapidly take over the willpower of the respectable doctor.
And lose its shame about being exposed.
I know you are concerned about illegal money flow, but the control over UK foreign policy, resulting in all these wars against Muslim countries is , in my opinion, far worse.
Or it’s all part of the same process of weakening the UK and putting us entirely in the grip of foreign powers. (Nasty ones).
I don’t know why hitherto Craig has been so reluctant to make these points, and why he has decided to fight this cause now.
The evidence has been there all along. The parts = the dog.
Does Craig have to stay quiet about the threat of Zionism to the UK in order to remain inside the club of the good and the great?
If so, what has changed?

Clark
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18163&pid=235103&st=0&#entry235103

@ Mary – “Daniel Kawczynski is amongst them.”

Google Conservative or Labour Friends of Israel, and you’ll find a hell of a lot more. Including Fox and most of the Cabinet.

Years ago, FOI websites used to list their members. Not any more. And some MP’s suppress the information on the Register of Interests. Probably the ones most worth watching, imo.

CFOI (and its Labour clone) provide freebies for its members, consisting of visits to Israel to admire its commitment to freedom, democracy and Momma’s chicken soup. They are even allowed to pat a tame Palestinian. They do not visit the wild ones, however. Zabludowicz is a prominent donor to this philanthropic organisation.
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http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Delegations/RecentDelegations/

I liked your convincing Radio 4 impersonation of a reasonable analyst this morning.

Komodo I do know these facts and have done so for several years. The question is how do we shut this lobby down?

Someone here was singing the praises of globalisation reecently. The downside.
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As Daisey told the story this summer, the germ of his doubt was a series of photographs taken at the Chinese factory where the iPhone is manufactured, inadvertently left on a device bound for America, and posted to an Apple discussion forum. The photographs were mundane—a worker on an assembly line, a cavernous factory floor—but they led Daisey to ask a question that he’d never considered before: How and where are these gadgets he adores, these marvels of industrial design and technological innovation, made?
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This question in turn led Daisey on a gutsy adventure. With few leads and no journalistic credentials, he traveled to Shenzhen, in southern China, and, posing as a businessman, he infiltrated the heavily restricted, heavily guarded “special economic zone” where nearly all of the world’s electronics are produced. More than half of our electronics, including Apple’s, are made by a single company, Foxconn, at a single facility that employs 420,000 workers—a factory as populated as the city of Atlanta.
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Despite dire risk (an AP photographer caught taking pictures outside Foxconn had recently been detained and beaten for two days before being released to his embassy), Daisey managed to interview dozens of these workers. He interviewed girls as young as 12 who worked crushing hours; he interviewed a man whose hand had been twisted into a claw from overuse; he interviewed a woman who had been blacklisted merely for requesting overtime pay.
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In his show, Daisey is hardly shy in apportioning blame for these iniquities. He wants to implicate everyone: not just Beijing but the American companies that had requested and helped engineer the Shenzhen manufacturing hub; technology journalists who either ignored the labor question or, worse, allowed themselves to be duped by propaganda (Daisey is especially scornful about the author of a feckless Wired cover story from earlier this year: he calls him a “useful idiot,” Lenin’s term for the easily manipulable); and American consumers, himself included, who mindlessly salivate over the newest device yet remain in willful ignorance about the supply chain that delivers it to their doorstep.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2011/10/the_agony_and_the_ecstasy_of_steve_jobs_reviewed_.html
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I watched youngsters entering the Apple store in London the other day when some new phone was being released. A double row of cheerleaders greeted them, whooping and screaming at their arrival. Obscene marketing.

Who’s this “we”, Mary? About all “we” can do is publicise the extent to which lobbyists determine the government of the poor bloody uninfluential infantry, and hope said infantry will eventually cotton on, resulting either in major changes to the law or a bloody revolution. Sorry, crystal ball’s crashed again.
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Just keep the issue on display. With supporting evidence from credible sources. All “we” can do.

@themanfromporlock
Do tell. what programme and when?

peeps, is the world afflicted with Alzheimer? Is this Fox not the same Dr. Fox embroiled up in possession and supply of cocaine back in 80s?

Those with the dosh (oligarchs/plutocrats) take great care in appointing these hand-picked A moral serial criminals to the available slots in the political theatre, that is to keep the great unwashed (that is you and I) appeased by the same tools in our childhood; Santa Clause.

We wrongly expect these Bastards to represent our interests, and further we have the temerity of expecting fair-play and justice. These concepts are alien notions to the masters, and appointees alike, as can be seen in the putrid daily spasms of the so called “media”.

Whilst Fox is being advised by the prefect boy set up to keep an eye on him, Oly Letwin is busy dead letter dropping the latest goings on in the cabinet. All in good taste of course.

Oligarchs, and Plutocrats know they can screw us the people, and get away without even offering a reach around, and or cigarette for our troubles. The question is are we easy to shaft? Or have we been bred to be shafted? Because what we have here is nothing new, a corrupt politician taking advantage of his office to serve his funders, whom stood by their man, when he was a nobody.

Journalists aren’t evil, by and large, But they’re bloody lazy. The story that is easy to research is the one that gets written, So, “we” do their research for them, and leave it prominently in places they will be sure to read it. “We” (if you choose to accept the challenge) can use blog and media comment columns to do this. It’s a start, anyway.
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Vaguely relevant thought: When the Taliban convert an old artillery shell into an IED, they achieve a much higher body count than the shell would probably have done, fired from a gun.

Think guerilla. And do not organise.

The UK government like most governments around the world was privatised a long, long, time ago. We the people are not governed, we the people are owned. In the eyes of the far right Fox is only guilty of just one heinous crime…He got found out.

Guest and Fedup, yes. But what are your proposals for changing this state of affairs? The government’s not going to do it for you, is it?

A Komodo dragon gets its dinner thus:

It bites its prey. The prey is faster and bigger than the dragon, but it only needs one bite, because its saliva contains lethal bacteria. It is quite cheerful about its prey escaping after being bitten. Then the dragon sets off in a leisurely manner, following the victim by its scent trail. Maybe a couple of days later, the dragon finds its dinner, now incapacitated by the local equivalent of MRSA, and eats it without any hassle.
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MORAL: The game is not always to the swiftest.

The important thing is the follow-up. A story concerning undue influence (say) needs to be kept on the boil. Otherwise the prey will be humanely dispatched by its political friends, and will never be heard of again.

Thank you, Craig!

Mary
Oliy majilis is an uzbek parliament, well it is parliament but do not have choices to elect them. Once to the question of pro uzbeki regime journalist why american senators didnt’ trust uzbek parliamentaries John Mccain famously said: we would if they were elected.

Mary:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b015yf3d/Week_in_Westminster_15_10_2011/

“But what are your proposals for changing this state of affairs”
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Many have asked that question throughout the many years that have gone before, the answer is, there are none, if there were we would have found them by now, we would not. Governments are merely a reflection of what the human race is. Change may come in evolution not revolution, sadly, mankind has a long, long, wait ahead of him.

Komodo We,a small group of like minded people, attempted to make a legal challenge to have the Friends of Israel lobbies in Parliament outlawed. We wrote to the Chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life which was set up by Major following misdemenours by some MPs. You will not be surprised to hear that there were even Zionist stooges within that Committee. We were answered by a jobsworth in the negative. We persisted and obtained a legal opinion. A brick wall was encountered.

MPs of course should not need to be told where their loyalities lie by a set of rules but as most of them seem to lack morals or principles, they are:

The Seven Principles of Public Life

The Committee believes that ‘Seven Principles of Public Life’ should apply to all in the public service. These are:

Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do so in order to gain financial or other benefits for themselves, their family or their friends.

Integrity
Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organisations that might seek to influence them in the performance of their official duties.

Objectivity
In carrying out public business, including making public appointments, awarding contracts, or recommending individuals for rewards and benefits, holders of public office should make choices on merit.

Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.

Openness
Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions that they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.

Honesty
Holders of public office have a duty to declare any private interests relating to their public duties and to take steps to resolve any conflicts arising in a way that protects the public interest.

Leadership
Holders of public office should promote and support these principles by leadership and example.

http://www.public-standards.gov.uk/About/The_7_Principles.html
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Joe Bloggs in a parish council declares his interest. The lot occupying the green benches in the Augean stables do not. A sham.

“US drones killed the group’s leader, Anwar al-Awlaki, last month.”
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and they killed his son yesterday.
Notice that in US and pro-US media: Anwar al-Awlaki apparently wasn’t an American citizen, he was “US-born”.
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/15/official-drone-attack-kills-al-awlakis-son-in-yemen/

By the way, even CNN are casting aspersions on this “very scary” Iranian “terror plot”.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/12/us/analysis-iran-saudi-plot

Today in Yemen.
Deadly protests erupt in Yemen capital Sanaa
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Yemen uprising
Q&A: Country in turmoil
Deadly game of elite brinkmanship
Key players
Goodbye Yemen?

Violent protests against Yemen’s President Ali Abdullah Saleh have again erupted in the capital Sanaa, with at least nine demonstrators killed and dozens hurt, doctors and officials say.
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Tens of thousands marching to the city centre were met with live rounds, tear gas and water canon.
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President Saleh has been battling eight months of street protests
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15319980

Save Press TV
Calling out to all activists and occupiers…… Press TV, on sky channel 515 is being removed from our screens, OFCOM have decided to give in to government and royal pressure to remove the channel from the air. Press TV gives you the real news as it happens and because it fails to adhere with governments views they want it removed from UK TV. PressTV have just started covering the USA Occupy with Live reports and interviews.
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They have their hands around the throat of PressTV – the light and the voice of truth.
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Complain to:
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ofcomstandardsteam@ofcom.org.uk

Yes indeed Mark. Some news that you will not see on the corporate media. Police kettling in the City/Bahrain deaths/etc
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http://www.presstv.ir/
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Do you know for sure ‘royal’ pressure or is that shorthand for ‘the establishment’?

The Mail can reveal that Mr Moulton, a longstanding donor to Dr Fox, paid £60million for defence firm Gardner UK in February 2010. Eight months later he gave money to Mr Werritty.
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Clearly disgusted with the way his affairs were dragged into the public sphere, Mr Moulton said: ‘I will not be doing this again.’
He insisted that neither he nor his associates had ‘sought or received a benefit of any form from Pargav’.
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But his donation occurred during the Government’s Strategic Defence Review which meant £5billion of cuts. The RAF aircraft which used Gardner’s components escaped unscathed.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049222/Liam-Fox-resigns-Defence-Secretary-finally-quits-Adam-Werritty-scandal.html

In my view, that is good news about Press TV. There is no way that that tv station is not propaganda for the regime in Tehran. I do not want that stuff being pumped into living rooms across the land.

“In my view, that is good news about Press TV. There is no way that that tv station is not propaganda for the regime in Tehran. I do not want that stuff being pumped into living rooms across the land.”
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but porn and fox news is just fine ..

“By the way, even CNN are casting aspersions on this “very scary” Iranian “terror plot”.”
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alex jones is now claiming that the Israelis have been given the green light to attack iran (next 2 weeks or so) .. via his sources in US govt and US army. also US troop build up in region ..
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who would know ?

Mary:
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OFCOM were not prepared to issue a statement when I asked them for the reasons behind the decision to take PressTV off-air in the UK. Instead they gave me an email address so that I can ask for a ‘phone-back’ from the ‘standards team’ who are considering the action to be taken against PressTV.
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OFCOM had previously issued a statement that said:
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‘UK law sets a very high standard for denying licences to broadcasters. Licences can only be denied in cases where national security is threatened, or if granting a licence would be contrary to Britain’s obligations under international law. Currently neither of these standards can be met with respect to Press TV, but if further sanctions are imposed on Iran in the coming months a case may be able to be made on the second criterion.’
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The reference to ‘Royal’ by Press TV originates from an article by Dipesh Gadher of the Sunday Times who on information received, criticised PressTV over:
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publishing an public opinion poll about the royal wedding. The results of the poll revealed that 65 percent of British people felt the royal wedding was an unnecessary official expense imposed on tax-payers.
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Also a complaint by Simons, Muirhead & Burton, the legal firm representing journalist Maziar Bahari who was detained in Iran, complained to Ofcom that he was “treated unfairly and that his privacy was unwarrantably infringed in the making and broadcast of a discussion programme”. The complaint also said Press TV did not seek Bahari’s permission to film and air the interview.
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In response, Press TV denied the interview was biased, saying Bahari did not “dispute the truth and accuracy” of the extract of the interview it broadcast, so it made “no logical sense” to claim it required his consent.
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PressTV maintained its policy was not to accept “scripted” interview questions from any third party or to “put pressure on an individual to give an interview or continue recording if an individual requested the recording to stop”.
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In summary Ofcom said Press TV’s presentation of Bahari was unfair because it “omitted material facts and was placed in a context in which inferences adverse to Mr Bahari could be drawn”.
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According to the WikiLeaks cables, the Foreign Office told an American diplomat in 2010 that the government was “exploring ways to limit the operations of … Press TV”.
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interesting that al qaeda attacked the twin towers as a symbol of the US $ / economy – the financial abuse it pursued, attacked the pentagon as a symbol of US military abuse, sought Palestinian state .. encouraged an arab awakening (muslim awakening against their leaders and US), sought to bankrupt the US through its intervention in Afghanistan … and encouraged the west people to seek democracy and freedom by removing zionists / neo con nwo (globalisation)
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10 years on and seems that wish list has been fulfilled.

“OFCOM were not prepared to issue a statement when I asked them for the reasons behind the decision to take PressTV off-air in the UK.”
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a good few apps for android / iphone if you want to get presstv live feed on your phones .. ipads .. netbooks .. laptops .. net top media centers (via xbmc etc )

DLJ,

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“I do not want that stuff being pumped into living rooms across the land.”
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Of course DLJ you are entitled to that opinion – nobody is asking you to tune-in. Nobody was asking for anyone to witness the US smashing of Iraq in ‘shock & awe’ and the burning of children’s bodies while sat on their living room mats patiently waiting for breakfast on a bright sunny morning in March 2003.

One to watch:
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‘The Whistleblower’ – High Fliers Films
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Trafficking of young 12-15 yr old children for sex from Bosnia by American military and government service contractors such as DynCorp.

I doubt if the Israelis were finding Fox to be anywhere near as cooperative as Blair, Dearlove or Scarlett, who all bent over backwards (and forwards in the case of Blair). Working for the Israelis doesn’t break a career, it makes one. Fox’s successor is sure to be more ‘punchy’. The reason why Liam Fox said that Libya was almost wrapped up wasn’t because NATO is about to win. It was because the MOD brass have had enough. The Libyan fiasco has ramped up psy-ops to a new level. To spare us another Chilton enquiry after the Libya fiasco, we should say straight away that the attack on Libya was motivated by the need to collateralize the sovereign debt of the bankrupted aggressor nations. The oil under the ground is enough. The Rothschilds accept any oil as collateral even if it’s stolen. The policy is the same in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Libya: chaos. Perle and Wolfowitz fooled Rumsfeld into invading Iraq with half the troops that were needed. What was the result? Years of war against Saddam’s stay-behind army plus Mossad/Al-Qaeda black ops complete with beheadings. About one and a half million dead so far, according to the BMA. Afghanistan has lasted ten years and the MOD plans to make it 15 although they know they won’t win. In Libya, because the UK is bankrupt, Vauxhall Cross had the bright idea of running a bargain basement war using Al-Qaeda. Lord James told the House of Lords last November that at the Bank of England he was managing accounts for the IRA and ‘North African terrorists’ to the tune of billions, not millions. Taxpayers’ money. MI6 thought that after the colossally expensive disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan, they could conquer Libya on the cheap. They forgot that the Libyans fought the Italians like lions and lost a million people. The Algerians kicked out the French and also lost a million. The idiots in London thought they could break Libya with an untrained army and a lot of NATO bombing. Without NATO, Gadaffi would be back in Tripoli in a week. There is zero prospect of victory in Libya. Gadaffi did an excellent job in Libya. He turned the poorest country in Africa into an “African Switzerland”. Also he had nothing to do with Lockerbie, the killing of Yvonne Fletcher or the Berlin disco bombing – all were NATO false flag ops. So bring back Gadaffi and let him rebuild Libya. Putin needs to send the Black Sea Fleet to relieve Sirte.
Send e-mails to the Russian Embassy in London today.
E-mail: foreignpolicy@rusemb.org.uk
[And by the way, for anybody that thinks that Putin killed Litvinenko, he was killed by the British, at the behest of the Rothschilds who are still smarting after the hiding they got from Putin in 2003. Litvineko was a classic squeezed lemon. There is no way that the Russians would have repeated the Bulgarian umbrella fiasco. If Mrs Litvinenko goes to the Russian Embassy they may tell her how she might be able to get a lot of money out of the British government just for keeping quiet. The case involves forensic stuff that's been kept out of the British press.]

Clark – I am waiting for a reply from the OFCOM Standards team and the research information I hold may be pertinent to an appeal if a decision by the OFCOM standards team goes against PressTV.

An impressive piece Gordon Logan – I am somewhat breathless at your extraordinary insight. Are you connected with intelligence?

Former boss of Mossad, Meir Dagan, responded to one of my internet jibes in April when he said publicly that he had never heard such an ‘idiotic’ idea as attacking Iran. The Israeli leadership is split between the Rothschild/World Government puppets like Netanyahu and the military/intel nationalists like Dagan. If Iran is attacked Israel will receive a few thousand missiles, and Dagan et al don’t relish the idea. Unfortunately the removal of Dagan prepared the way for an attack on Iran. Also the removal of Bob Gates from the Pentagon. Although Gates is a war criminal, he represented the brass, such as Admiral Fallon, who got Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz out and opposed the Iran attack. Fallon actually defied orders in 2008. Panetta is a worthless individual who will bend with any wind. Someone has rightly remarked that the UK has two governments: a aecret permanent dictatorship and a ‘democratic’ government. That is why our ‘democratic’ governments are so similar. Politicians have built-in disposability – vulnerabilities that make it easy for them to be got rid of. Hence their obvious spinelessness, reflected in the vacuous recent party conferences. Two exceptions stand out: Harman and Hodge (nee Oppenheimer) who both fearlessly blasted highly controversial legislation through parliament. Both are Jewish and openly support paedophiles. Their chutzpah is significant. Also Mandelson, who is close to the permanent government, shows a lot of confidence.

@ Guest:
“Many have asked that question throughout the many years that have gone before, the answer is, there are none, if there were we would have found them by now, we would not. Governments are merely a reflection of what the human race is. Change may come in evolution not revolution, sadly, mankind has a long, long, wait ahead of him.”

Cheer up, mate. You’ve given up before you’ve begun. View it as an intellectual challenge. If you’ve got the time and energy to bitch about it, you have the time &c to think about mitigating it.

@ Mary, well done you. Sincerely. But without a widespread public perception of undue influence as a bad thing, to be resisted, you can cheerfully be dismissed as a crazy minority by the Establishment. Particularly as a large proportion of all MPs have sold their souls to FOI. And focussing on FOI ignores the generic problem.

Gordon Logan’s profile from the live link on his name above here.
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About Me
2001,Wrote leaflets for UKIP pre GE, under name ‘whatsbestforbritain’; Dad’s Army theme. Hague copied a few phrases. 2001, Rejoined Conservatives when IDS became leader. 2003, Ran deselection campaign in Kensington & Chelsea to stop Portillo undermining IDS. 2003, Key Figure in Save The British Hallmark Campaign. 2005, Howard uses my phrase ‘whatsbestforbritain’ throughout GE campaign.
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2005, ++++++ Supporter of Liam Fox for leadership. Being trained (briefly) to work media for Liam.++++++!!!!
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Described as a ‘Free Spirit’ by Nigel Farage, a ‘Successful Activist’ by Roger Helmer, ‘Nothing To Do With The Conservative Party’ by Michael Portillo and and a ‘Bloody Fool’ by Owen Paterson (re my UKIP period!). Designed EU Constitution ‘rocket’ leaflet. Graphic copied by The Sun. Harriet Harman repeated my phrase in Commons that all men would leave the country if she became leader, not enough airports. Coined ‘Cherie Antoinette’ epithet. Used on HIGN4U. See More Bio on pages.
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Who’s sorry now? Some revising needed perhaps.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428

IF:
MP’s were subject to performance assessment, based on their adherence to their individual pre-election manifestoes, and paid by results. Like real employees.
IF MP’s were at all times permitted to vote with their own conscience, in line with their individual manifestoes, and not subject to Party whips or to any undertakings given in their Party’s general manifesto;
IF their pre-election manifestoes were legally obliged to contain undertakings on specific areas of policy, and if their pre-election publicity were limited to this manifesto content; the cost of such publicity being strictly limited by law;
AND IF NO gifts, considerations or emoluments in cash or kind were permitted to any serving or ex-MP from any interest bearing on his Parliamentary or ministerial function were permitted;
I think we might have a cleaner legislature.

I would also suggest that ministers of state were chosen by an all-party committee from MP’s with some pretence of experience in the field of interest, and that promotions to the Lords should be by secret ballot rather than appointment.

Is that such an earth-shattering change?

Front page of tomorrow’s Observer:
“Revealed: Hidden Tory links to US radical right”
http://twitpic.com/70u3tg
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If you hover your cursor over the *top right corner* of the picture (just above the guy with the fish) you’ll see you can increase the size. (But it’s huge.)

Mark,

If Iran had not started jamming BBC Persian broadcasts, I would guess PressTV, which is an arm of the Iranian State, would be getting an easier ride. That said, we’re the ones flaunting our freedom of speech and criticising Iran’s lack of it, so banning PressTV can only be regarded as rank hypocrisy.

Personally, and with apologies to its supporters, I rank PressTV alongside the Israeli/neocon backed MEMRI website in the credibility stakes. Low.

Gordon Logan
‘Gadaffi did an excellent job in Libya. He turned the poorest country in Africa into an “African Switzerland”.’
This is absolutely not correct. There was a minority of very wealthy ‘favoured’ Libyans; then there were the not so well off and the poor. One way of saving for old age, family weddings etc used to be to invest in a flat put out to rent. Under Gaddafi most people were allowed their home, anything else was sequestered by the state which has left many old people without an income other than the state benefit of a few dinars a week.

I entirely agree with you that Gaddafi had nothing to do with Lockerbie and the killing of Yvonne Fletcher.

Heh Mark. Just reading the words of wisdom from Mr Logan and I gotta tell you … I am out of here.

Good luck, so long and thanks for the fish.

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Gordon Logan:
‘The attack on Libya was motivated to collateralise the sovereign debt of the bankrupted aggressor nations.’ followed by:
‘If Iran is attacked, Israel will receive a few thousand missiles.’
So , reading between the lines, the UK great and good, including Craig, are happy to be slaves to the Zionist Bankers, and for the sake of a few millions in their pockets and a few trillions in government loans, bomb the shit out of countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, where they don’t expect to take much of a thrashing in return. Craig’s previous line was that there were many flaws with the argument that Zionist Banking power was having an overdue influence of UK foreign policy etc.
But when Israel starts thinking they can put the UK up for launching an attack on Iran, because they have us even more by the very short and curlys than before by bankrupting our system,
the great and the good start leaking and spinning against Israel.
That’s the problem. The great and the good have been promised that if they’re good boys and girls, they won’t be let down.
The economic cycle will spin round again. But what if they’re not good? What if they don’t do Iran? The UK ends up looking like the great depression in the US or survivors of the holocaust. Even if they lorries stop for a week, nothing moves.
Iran is the Jewel in the Crown of UK policy against Islam. The best chance they have to destroy Islam is from within, setting up a Shi’a chaliphate and promoting its corruption and heresy as an alternative to the logic and integrity of real Islam.
Islam has proved to be remarkably self-healing after the endless repetition of war, massacre of scholars, and deviating of the masses through the last 1000 years. The Qur’an is the healer.
There is absolutely no chance at all that the UK US or Europe will ever attack Iran. Firstly because Iran has been given nuclear technology by Israel , which they might use against us, secondly because our nuclear weapons are controlled entirely by Israel so the red button might not work, as Iran well knows, and thirdly because Iran is a friend in the war against Islam.
This leaves open the option that Israel could attack Iran directly, ‘receiving a few thousand missiles in return’ and wasting the whole exercise of the Iraq war to give the neighbouring country to a friendly Shi’a regime.
I can see it now. Star of David Cameron leaning on the despatch box, to roaring cheers on all sides, declaring that the spiritual rectitude and lion-like fearlessness of the British nation, will not allow itself to be bull-dozed and blackmailed into unnecessary and illegal violence against a proud and civilised nation ( like Iran ). ‘ Think when I talk of horses, printing their proud hooves, ( and quantative easing ) and monarchs ( and other bigots ) to behold the swelling scene.’
Fuck me. ‘ I doubt if the Israelis were finding Fox anywhere near as co-operative as Blair etc.’ Does this Royal corgi bite or something? We have massacred 3 million and displaced 30 million in the last 15 years at the behest of the Zio-blackmailing bankers. What more do they want? British Blood?
In conclusion, there is nothing more misleading than the words of the best-informed of the UK great and good. It’s their job.
Lie, lie, lie again, until you convince them you’re not lying.

For clarity, the attack on Libya, UK 2 billion was the quid pro quo collateral for UK debt. We lend you the money if you destroy another Muslim country. Give me five.

Mark Golding: “An impressive piece Gordon Logan – I am somewhat breathless at your extraordinary insight. Are you connected with intelligence?”
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I’m pretty breathless myself. Either he’s privy to an extraordinary amount of “secret” information or he is simply making stuff up. It’s also overtly anti-Semitic for anyone who is bothered by such things. There sometimes seems to be a competition for who can pretend to have access to the most exotic and privileged information.
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It’s a little interesting that Mr Logan thinks that Litvinenko was killed by the British (at the behest of the Rothschilds, naturally) and that Litvinenko’s widow can go to the Russian embassy and learn how to blackmail the British government into getting hush money. Of course, if the Russian government had evidence with which to tell widows how to extort money wouldn’t they instead use it to clear their name? But instead the Russian government seems intent on going through the charade of having the suspect, Luguvoi elected to the Duma and giving him diplomatic immunity.
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It’s a bit hilarious that Mr Logan thinks Moshe Dagan calling a strike on Iran the most idiotic thing he’s ever heard was a direct response to having read something Mr Logan had written on the internet. That and his petition to have the Black Sea fleet sail to Libya and return Gadaffi to power are delusions of grandeur.

“Moshe Dagan” should be Meir Dagan, of course.

Mike Golding: In response, Press TV denied the interview was biased, saying Bahari did not “dispute the truth and accuracy” of the extract of the interview it broadcast, so it made “no logical sense” to claim it required his consent.

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Wasn’t this the interview during which Maziar Bahari was in custody and being tortured in an Iranian prison? Usually those are the types of interviews of the most biased kind.
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On top of that, as Komodo has said, the Iranian government which Press TV is the mouthpiece of, was blocking BBC broadcasts into Iran.

In a reference to tomorrow’s Independent
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‘They call it an exclusive, and the story may contain new revelations, but its worth pointing out that former UK ambassador Craig Murray connected the same dots earlier this week:
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The answer is that Werritty is paid by representatives of far right US and Israeli sources to influence the British defence secretary. It has been discussed within the MOD whether Werritty is being – knowingly or otherwise – run as an agent of influence by the CIA or Mossad. That is why the chiefs of the armed forces are so concerned, and why there is today much gagging at the stitch up within the Cabinet Office.
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The Guardian also reported that in February this year, Adam Werritty and Liam Fox flew to Israel for a conference on regional security, where the former arranged and attended a dinner at the conference with Fox and the UK’s ambassador to Israel, Matthew Gould.
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This could potentially turn into a big diplomatic incident if it looks like Werrity had influence on British foreign policy.’
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http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/10/15/indy-fox-mate-werrity-plotted-with-mossad/

@ Gordon Logan,
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Fungibility is a nice racket, but The Colonel was a pliant soul whom carried out his chores to best of his abilities; Suppressed the Muslims, paid up the levies; in man (al Megrahi) and in funds ($2 billion damages), after all he never forgot, his arrival to Tripoli on board an American Tanker. Therefore, considering that fungibility as a means collateralization of the marauders sovereign debt, somehow overlooks the far too long a time scales involved.
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Whilst the urgency of the situation at hand, would be far better served through the sequestration of the $150 billion Libyan funds invested in the various countries with a view to stop the Colonel from using the funds to “kill his own people”. Further, the costs of the “expedition” underwritten by the Arab sheikhs, would be a further economic incentive for the much needed profits in the arms, and ancillary industry.
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Also in the bigger picture, the Mediterranean basin, becoming ever more exclusive lake of the NATO, with natural choke points easily controllable. The area would be effectively a no go zone for the naval assets of Rosskies, and Chinese. This line of thought is further reinforced by the current formation of National Transitional Council for Algiers manned by those ex-pats residing in the West, as well as the Syrian NTC having been formed in Istanbul too.
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Fact is the game is much more murky than the notion of just taking charge of the oil taps for Rothschild. Harking to American Century, and American New Century doctrines; to achieve total American domination, the resources ought to be denied to the competitors, in an effort to stop any potential and probable challenge to US domination of the planet. Furhter development of the Missile Defence Shield, effectively is a step in the direction of the US first strike capability that renders US immune from any potential retaliation.
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Nonetheless surprising factor is the inaction of the Chinese, and Russians, whom have been gradually getting encircled, without so much as trying to break out of the spiders web that is spun around these. As well as the evident rapid denial of resources that is becoming more aggressive by the day.
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Finally with respect to Mrs. Litvinenko, in the post Dr. Kelly era, would she not be wiser to remain put, as the rising numbers of road traffic accidents, and robberies, could easily claim yet another victim?
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PS. Vauxhall Cross had little choice in going after al Qaeda, the “Communist Menace” no longer existed, and in desperate need for a villain in the plot, the short straw was drawn by the Muslims. This of course was drawing upon the works of Toynbee et al, that deemed the next fisher to be exploited; the cultural and ethnic differences, which would serve the cause of perpetual state of . Alas the “Muslim Menace” only boasts “Improvised Explosive Devices”, hence the paucity in the field of development of next generation weapons, and the disappearance of the lucrative profits thereof, yet a further contributory factor to current financial mess, given that murder industry buffoons found employment in the finance houses.

I’ll not pretend to be disappointed Komodo; Press TV I believe gives a voice to the voiceless and I do not see it as a propaganda arm of the Iranian government. BBC News lost its balls after Andrew Gilligan, its world news coverage now has little connection with a diminishing audience. It maintains a certain credibility from its coverage of local concerns, sadly the picture it (the BBC) projects of the world stage is an illusion created by the smoke and mirrors of a corrupt and deceptive foreign policy allied to the bankers and their massive war machine.
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We learn today Radio 4 cannot even permit the word ‘Mossad’ to be transmitted on air in context with a serious concern amongst government and certainly MOD officials that collusion is rife. Have our memories faded or have we forgotten the stolen identities – keys to a Mossad assassination- Oh sorry I forgot, assassination is ‘de rigeur’ in the past and present corridors of power and where a strategic nuclear self-deception pushes the mind backwards into the dark ages of cryptic murder, self-incriminating torture, Aryanizing apartheid and confused genocide.
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Wake up to the 99% – those young minds trying to wrench apperception up a notch to a higher consciousness necessary for our continued survival in a depleted planet.

Mark,

I’m not asserting that the BBC is a paragon of free speech, either. But the parallels between PTV and the Soviet-era Radio Moscow are closer: it is operated by the Iranian government and, according to the 1979 Constitution of the Islamic Republic, “all broadcasting must exclusively be government-operated.”

As it is a satellite service, and the Iranian law forbids the use of satellite dishes to the public, I am not sure if the voice of the voiceless is actually reaching some of the voiceless.

Though, I happily admit, any outlet sympathetic to the victims of Israeli atrocities is to be welcomed, I would not use it as a primary source of uncoloured information. Is all I’m saying.

Woaw, I cant believe The Independant on Sunday is going to have on the front page -

“WERRITY PLOTTED WITH MOSSAD TO TARGET IRAN”

And a Jarvis Cocker feature too -nice

hmmm.. That was a weirdie link back there that 2 particular politicians are sex monsters of a particular religion.. i like to keep an open mind but i boaked that up again.

So, if Fox-Werrity were discussing attacking Iran, could this have been part of a US/UK/Israeli rightwing scheme for preempting the normal channels and bringing the conflict about without any inconvenient discussion in the Senate/Parliament/Knesset?
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You know, maybe stage the assassination of a Saudi or something?
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Like you do?
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Like someone appears to have done?

Pure fantasy, but intriguing nevertheless!

“Personally, and with apologies to its supporters, I rank PressTV alongside the Israeli/neocon backed MEMRI website in the credibility stakes. Low.”
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it may be low but it is higher than the bbc, sky, cnn and our government ..

Boaked = puked, roughly.

He may be fae Embra….

“Broadcasting “confessions” extracted under torture goes beyond propaganda and bias, and there is obviously a good argument that such a TV station should be blocked. Conversely, had PressTV been blocked at that time, this insight into Iranian abuse would not have occurred.”
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actually presstv is being blocked because of administration errors not because of the interview which is no more than we get from sky or bbc in their propaganda efforts.
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i fox news any better or cnn .. i would suggest not .. but if one ties in the current efforts to clain an iran plot to kill a saudi diplomat .. and the apparent green light to attack iran via israel .. the banning or blocking of presstv would make sense . we cant have the enemy reporting what we are doing to them can we.
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as for bbcpersian .. i think we’re all grown up to know that the bbc is our state broadcaster .. and that the world service is very much a part of the govt propaganda machinery.

One government-controlled propaganda outlet is very much like another in its intentions. The BBC is more believable here, by a Brit. God knows if it gets any credence at all on the Iranian street. And vice versa. For anything approximating to the complete facts, no single outlet is adequate.

This is one of Press TV’s numerous complaints against OFCOM. It’s almost unreadable but it begins with a quote from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion!!!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/181711.html

“The BBC is more believable here, by a Brit.”
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is it? i suggest that increasingly it is not. the truth is that people are putting their faith in presstv / russiatoday for their news . it is partly for that reason presstv has to be shut down.
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the bbc abroad is laughed at these days .. very little of its reporting is taken seriously by the majority ..
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i get the impression that youve never really watched presstv or russiatoday ..

“If you will cite an example of Sky or the BBC broadcasting a “confession” secured through abuse or torture, I’ll take this seriously.”
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there was plenty of it with regard to iraq, even more with regard to KSM .. there is very little scrutiny of anything that is given to them via whitehall .. i dont really watch bbc news these days and what i do watch / hear is seemingly flawed, inaccurate and parrots neo con ambitions. there are just too many neo con propagandists and very little of the other…and very little investigation.
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as for obl reporting frank gardner is pretty much “establishment”.
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the bbc is state run, it is a bit naive to believe that it isnt influenced by govt. and it is overstaffed for reason .. except murdoch was to take over that role ..
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“I don’t think there will be an invasive attack, Iran is too strong for that, though Israel might attack the nuclear facilities. We shall see.”
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well reports of more bunker busting bombs and US troop build up .. it maybe on the cards .. but the alleged plot just isnt doing it for them .. they must have a plan b.

We witnessed today the protests London-our young foot-soldiers on PressTV -bravo

Clark: Of course, the BBC is displaying a burning car in Rome on the front page of the BBC News website with the headline “Berlusconi vows to punish rioters”. There are links about the multiple international protests, but they’re not prominent.

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The international breadth of the protests is impressive but the numbers of most of the protests seem to be fairly small. If the BBC are correct then there were only around 500 protesters in London. According to my copy of the Yomiuri, there were 80 people at the Tokyo protest. But this may grow, of course.
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While I think it is very useful of Press TV and others to put a spotlight on Bahrain, it is quite noticable that Press TV is almost silent on protests in Iran, that they are apparently very bothered by kettling but not by beatings, rape and torture by the Basiji of its own protesters, as well as death sentences handed out to prominent protesters and they seem to be very quiet about the uprisings in Syria except to occasionally blame “Zionists”.

Gordan Logan:- Your posts on this blog are absolutely stunning. I was in the RAF in Cyprus in the 1970′s when the body bags of SAS soldiers from the conflict in Aden were coming through on a regular basis. Once Ghadafi made peace with Tony Blair he sent the SAS to Libya to train them in how to defeat Al-Queda hence their ability to remain fighting and winning the war.
I never thought that the RAF would bombard a neutral nation. The TNC are now on the run and without NATO would not last a week. Thousands of TNC rebels have been killed and I do not see where their replacements are coming from.

I’m kinda surprised by all the love that PressTV and RT are receiving around here. Of course the BBC is biased, but of course that is equally true for PressTV and RT. The BBC is good at hiding British flaws and highlighting the flaws of British enemies, while RT is good at hiding Russian flaws and exposing the flaws of Russia’s enemies. I can’t but help be reminded of the well meaning lefties who used to argue that China was a communist paradise under Mao. Except that back then the world was a much larger place, information moved a lot slower and perhaps the average population weren’t quite so cynical. Seriously, we should all understand that all the ‘big boys’ around the globe are fucking swine. Swine that like to fight each other, there are no goodies. Read Orwell’s ‘Homage to Catalonia’ if you have any doubts.

The state broadcaster, as I call the BBC, has just broadcast a profile, i.e. a puff piece, on Jeremy Heywood. Just putting us in the picture sort of stuff. Jolly good chap. Toodle pip. Onwards and upwards.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b015ygj5/Profile_Jeremy_Heywood/

I remember when the press were like hungry jackals whenever there was a piece of scandal to be fought over.The Press should be outraged on our behalf and crying out for blood.But no… tame response to the treason I say.Our press is biased by what it often fails to report,as in the depair and destruction of civilians in Libya.They’re all waiting for Cameron to trumpet in Tripoli, “mission accomplished”.Meanwhile the situation for the civilians becomes worse.
Our glorious RAF , that fought the glorious Battle of Britain, have become nothing better than inglorious bastards.Tools of the Tyrant Rasmussen.
We pay taxes for our armed forces to defend Britain,not bomb defenceless countries and their civilians.

Angrysoba, for the Occupy protests, check the Guardian. They report that numbers in London peaked at about 3000, and they have some photo’s of impressive crowds elsewhere; not bad for the start of a long-stay protest.

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Sorry. You are right. In fact, the BBC reported that 500 people were staying into the night whereas there had been 2000-3000 people before.
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And yes, in Spain and many other places there were pretty large crowds. I suppose that with Spain the indignados have been out for some time. Its unemployment rate, especially among the young is huge. And yes, as you say the protests in Israel have been going on for months now. Apparently Italy is set to have a hundred thousand protesters out on the streets soon.

Clark,

You are wrong about Maziar Bahari who I believe was employed to obtain incriminating evidence of brutality on ‘demonstrators’ by the Iranian state during attempts by the West to incite rioting in Iran during the election period.
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The attempts failed and those same foreign agents went on to brutally murder an Iranian scientist in cold blood whiledriving to work and attempted to murder another university lecturer and scientist using a magnetic explosive device that could easily be attached to a moving vehicle.
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Iran has many failings including its treatment of gays; according to Iranians who escaped the brutal Shah – a Western puppet – and obtained political asylum in the UK, Iran is addressing human rights in every corner (iranianuk.com [Farsi translate]) is a nuclear non-proliferator and signatory.
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On October 20, after 118 days[21] in jail, Bahari was released on $300,000 bail, charged with 11 counts of espionage. He was allowed to leave the country and return to London days before the birth of his daughter in much the same way as British sailors were given new suits, cigarettes, treated humanely and allowed to leave with respect having been captured in Iranian waters during a time of a constant threat of aerial strikes, border invasion and tactical nuclear bombardment of Iran’s energy infrastructure and below ground medical/fuel uranium enrichment.

Thanks for the link – Clark – I’ll repost if I may.

Here’s Maziar Bahari’s own story which he wrote in Newsweek:
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/11/21/118-days-12-hours-54-minutes.html

‘We need to keep clear heads and avoid jumping to conclusions.’ I agree Clark well said. As you know my great-grandfather and his sister Gertrude were both telegraphists who later became reporters in London. Granddad told me stories of how the International news from ‘the wire’ was coveted and reposted with either a different slant or heavily biased in favour of British rule. So much for corrupt communications – we invented it!.
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John Benjamin Waterman was eventually heavily censored for revealing raw data from the wire.

What is this unconscious drivel espoused by the Iran “experts”;
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“In our attempt to expose the wrongs performed by those in power, … Iranians have a moral right to protest against their government. When pro-Western forces ……… use repression.”
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1- You best start setting your own house in order, before putting Iran to rights. Kindly butt out of our affairs. Your views; do not matter, are not sought for, mean nothing, and we in Iran are fully aware of crocodile tears.
2- You somewhat forget; who revolted, and kicked their elite and feudal overlords to kingdom come?
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Evidently the revolutionary Iranians are now in need of some namby-pamby “Wonderful Westerner”, to come to their aid! Blow it our of your elbow, as and when we the Iranians find the need to push our point of view, we go out and kick up a dust storm, kicking the crap out of the police, setting the place alight, and reminding them in power; Who the boss is. All the while renewing the covenant of kicking out the last lot of “western sock puppets”.
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Unlike your “democratic, top shelf societies”; Mr. policeman can we please have a protest, here is our route to march, we will marshal the perambulation ourselves, and by the way do we have to pay for the road closures, and the costs of policing, please, please?
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Going missing; is the fact that for change to happen, there is a need for force, and confrontation, the exploiting classes will never acquiesce to, or agree with any changes. In fact change ought to be forced upon these parasitic, under performing, and over consuming charlatans. The last time there were a few bins kicked over in the UK streets, all were the works of the so called hoodlums, and thieves, which were addressed by the heavy sentences. Stalin would have been proud of of the political repression masqueraded as punishment for public order crimes. Hence the morally indignant Iran Bashers ought to adhere to The principle of physician go heal thyself.
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It used to be beads, and mirrors, followed by colonisation, then it was a splutter of musketry and then colonisation, these days it is; “Human rights”, “Personal Freedom”, and castles in the air about trading and working towards a more affluent and rich lifestyle. Needless to point out its all lies, and boloney. Seeing as the figures, and trends point to the contrary; Iceland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Bankrupt US, and China. We Iranians thank you all for your beads, and shit, and would like to show you the door, and don’t let it hit you on the arse on your way out.
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PressTV is being taken off the air by the so called “free” UK ofcom which begs the question, why? OH well because the damn channel is not, yet another UK SIS front-shop masquerading as “Media”, spewing the same cock and bull story they all carry, and always ready to arse lick, at the start of any controversial periods; “I must condemn ……”, “I believe Blair did not mislead the palr…….”, “IDF ……” what a fucking joke, the mad as hatter zionists’ “defence”, or censoring any allusions to “Mossad, Jew, Zionist, ad nauseam. Of course those of us with a memory span longer than that of a goldfish, will recollect Al-Jazeera was the target of UK/US bombs in Iraq, Afghanistan, and even the cowboy in charge was going to bomb its HQ in Qatar.
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Hence political repression, and censorship are the “democratic rights” of the “West” to impose upon the “undemocratic Iran” (Which apparently was democratic under the Shah!!!!!ROFL). Then the bottom feeding GIYUS operatives spamming the boards, and as ever waving “elders of zion” around, fact that it is happening in the thread which debates the Israeli infiltration of the UK government, however the irony is not any point of concern for the Jewish Supremacists, busy pontificating at the Goyem.
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Maziar Bahari, this condescending sack of shit, becomes the poster boy of the bash Iran brigade. This self styled, self awarded “Doctor, Producer, Publisher, Reporter, come dissident”, writing about his “ordeal” in his condescension recollecting “Mr. Rosewater” because the working class guy whom was interrogating him, had tried to remain fresh by application of rose water, which evidently is an affront to Givenchy wearing “dissident”. Any chance for Mr. Bahari to be given a tour of Bagram, Gitmo, and or any standard issue US prisons? He would soon understand what torture is (certainly not keeping his eyes down whilst sitting on a college chair).
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Fact is if I had seen this sack of putrid traitorous shit anywhere in Tehran I personally would have kicked the shit out of him 188 kinds. He does not represent anyone here other than the “millionaire class” and their oh so concerns about “personal Freedoms”; shag everything in sight, and use exotic substances, flaunting their inordinate wealth, attending raves, peppermint rhino sort of bars, and have as little regulations as possible on their putrid financial dealings. Fact is, this poster boy of dissent is nothing more than yet another loud-mouth representing the 1% in Iran whom crave to find their wealth to buy these the deference, and the decadence as in the West.
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Let me reiterate, and hopefully make clear, Maziar Bahari, along with the phoney gays, Christians, etc. are all welcome to come and stay with any one of you whom care to give a home to these. However as for the rest of us the 99% of Iranians I would like to make it clear to the interfering busy body, and the GIYUS merchants, stuff your concern where Sun don’t shine. Go put your own house in order, and worry about the total corruption of the world finances, which is directly the results of greed, and bankrupt ideologies so pushed by the same bunch of paid stooges.

Wendy:

“the truth is that people are putting their faith in presstv / russiatoday for their news ”

My impression is that people here rely on the Sun and whatever channel their Sky box is tuned to for their news. (In the US, “fair and impartial” Fox News -no relation.)
During which they make a cup of tea, returning during the skateboarding parrot item.

But then I actually live here.

Russiatoday, lol.

“… there are no goodies… Read Orwell’s ‘Homage to Catalonia’ if you have any doubts.” Cheeba Cow.
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I agree. And of course let us remind ourselves that after his experiences in Spain, Orwell too became an informant for MI6, turning-in Communists. So, even he was not “a goody”.

I have heard rumours to the effect (or were they about Huxley?). I just did some googling and couldn’t find anything too concrete (in fact not much at all), do you have any links with the details about Orwell and MI6?

CheebaCow, here you go:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2003/sep/25/orwells-list/

Just look for ‘Celia Kirwan, George Orwell’ on the web.

1- You best start setting your own house in order, before putting Iran to rights. Kindly butt out of our affairs. Your views; do not matter, are not sought for, mean nothing, and we in Iran are fully aware of crocodile tears.

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Tell that to your dead, venal, leader, Khomeini who saw fit to meddle in the affairs of British writers such as Salman Rushdie and his Japanese translator, Hitoshi Igarashi. If you don’t want meddling in the affairs of your country why not try looking a little less hypocritical?
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Besides, you can’t say – with a straight face – that Iran’s nuclear programme is of no concern to anyone but Iran. You have to just face it that some people care about that.
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Nor should your demands that the persecution of the Bahai, for example, be ignoted on your say-so be treated with anything but contempt.
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Clark: “Why is your name always linked to YouTube music videos these days?”
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Hi Clark,
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No reason. Just a bit of fun!

Clark, Angrysoba, those are good points, but I think that you shouldn’t write to “Proud Iranian” as an Iranian. To do so reinforces a false impression about true Iranians.

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Yes, you could be right there. I have friends here who are Iranian. There are actually quite a number who live here in Japan. They generally hate the government there. They’re not supporters of the Shah, though.
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It is interesting that “Proud Iranian” doesn’t take any issue with the charges made by Maziar Bahari – unlike Mark Golding – but only suggests that Bahari’s problems are that he is a snob. Of course, Bahari’s relatives were also activists against the Shah and were put in prison by the SAVAK. “Proud Iranian” maybe proud about what the Khomeinists did to the Tudeh Party which overthrew the Shah but it boggles my mind that Western Leftists can turn a blind eye to that. The Iranian Revolution really did seem to go through some analogous stages of the French Revolution with Khalkali presiding over the Terror and creating a huge destruction of human life and cultural heritage.

George Orwell was a spook and informed on communists. However, he was a lot more than that. He was also spying privately on the elite – and his MI5 colleagues were considering the physical elimination of the loose cannon. Orwell had even penetrated the Warburg family, and had prevailed on them to support him while he was writing 1984. The nightmare that he described in 1984 is now taking place in Britain – endless wars and endless brainwashing (such as Parent 1 and Parent 2, as you will soon see). The final pauperization of Britain, which is now forced to tax and borrow because it can no longer create its own money, thanks to Soros and his masters the Rothschilds, is taking us into 1984, with the Libyan psy-op war. A totally unwinnable war complete with a fake ambassador and a fake embassy and a fake government. As fake as the British government, which lives in a black box and responds like a dumb animal to the prods and pokes of the Rothschilds, who are easily worth a hundred trillion – assuming no business acumen. As James Warburg said in 1950, “We shall have world government, whether or not we like it.” Warburg was referring to the natural consequence of the growth of the monster, fed on privatized money creation without responsibility. Orwell spied on these people and was smart enough to get 1984 past the censorship. Not only that, he managed to get his novel into the classrooms of every school in what used to be Britain. The communists he was spying on were the oligarchy itself. ‘Collectivism’ will be the carcase that is left after the middle class is liquidated by the Bullingdon Club.

Perhaps Apostate has become an Hojatoleslam…

I think, like many other idealists who went out to fight in Spain, George Orwell has a very bad experience of Stalin(ists) during the Civil War since they attacked and killed other leftists, actions which contributed to the eventual victory of the Fascists under Franco. This led him to conclude that Stalin was the greater evil (than liberal democratic capitalism) and so to cooperate with MI6 in the form of the attractive Celia Kirwan. Still, there’s no getting away from the fact that he was ratting on people in the UK who were not in any way in power in that country, not part of the oligarchy, though one can see that in the 1930s world, or at least in Europe and the Far East, and with the USA in isolationist mode, totalitarianism seemed to be – was – a real threat.

The veneer of extending; “concern”, “giving Freedom/Democracy/Popcorn/Movie vouchers”, and singing Ging Gang Goolie with us Iranians after we have ……. However soon the “good will” disappears and the glint of gnashing teeth appears, if an Iranian stops by and says, blow it out of your elbows serfs, we know what freedom means, and have plenty of it here in Iran. Then in a fit of anger, out, bursts; an incoherent tirade that lists perceived misdemeanour’s of we the Iranians going back to Adam and Eve era, finally ending with; we in Iran must stop our nuclear activities! Who the fuck do these jumped up little pricks imagine they are?
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Perhaps US colonialists still colonising the vanquished Japan, after nearly seventy years, post waging a punitive war, which culminated in mindless, insane, criminal use of nuclear bombs, killing many more hundreds of thousands of Japanese, and then settling down for a long spell of occupying the place, just like in; Germany, isreal, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.? Whilst corrupting the culture and people of Japan, in so much as mandating a reduction from the six thousand Kanji symbols (written signs) to one thousand and eight hundred, that is less than a third of the total (to this date some Japanese names cannot be written because of this little intrusion of the US colonialists), because US translators had not learned anymore.
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This insane character then boasts of his imaginary Iranian friends whom hate their government, irony is lost; show me anyone ever loving their government, I will show you a stooge. However as we know fascio does as fascisti do, in the regimented minds of these automatons any deviation from sucking up to Gubemint is a sure sign of nations ripe for invasion; their wares looted, their women ravaged, and their lands and resources put for better use on behalf of the few inbreds set up as the masters of the universe!
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Salman Rushdie, Todeh, Bahai, Bahari, Iranians talk a foreign (none English) language, eat funny food, dress in shirts, …… reminiscent of Constable Savage The propaganda goes on, regardless of the actualities, and facts. What good are facts for? Mere formalities so far as these weak bankrupt; morally, as well as financially, apolitical failures, are concerned.
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The truly amusing sight of these characters comforting each other, one declares, “He is not Iranian, don’t legitimise hi…” (fears in case goyem take note of the horses mouth so to speak of, instead of the usual talking over the Iranians as it is customary in the oh, so “democratic West”). These Based on Charlie Chan deductive raisoning (reason cannot be applicable); he does not speak pigeon English, has used separation characters for spacing paragraphs (wow what trade secrets), hence he should be some other guy. The guy these disagreed with, about, of them all things fucking isreal. Then it transpires “he” is a far right interloper in the guise of an Iranian, come here to give these chosen ones grief, by reminding them of the absolute inhumanity of zionism, and the bestiality of those adherents to this evil doctrine. As ever without so much as a tinge of Irony; not taking any note that far right does not hate Jews/zionists, they are co-opted into genuflection before the chosen lot, and hate the Muslim campaign (Anders Breivik rantings aside), the scenes outside of the Ahava shop in London shows. Edl, along with the rest of ziofuckwits; pamela geller et al.
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“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y”
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Lacking any competitiveness, the best course is to disqualify any potential competitor (Iran cannot progress! Why? Coz. Why? Coz coz!). That is the mantra of the cowardice, that has yielded the mess, which of course it is all the fault of everyone except the culprits, whose uncompetitive practices, bankruptcy of ideology, and above all conceit has reduced a vibrant and living planet into a debt ridden, divided, desolate rock, with fires of war raging across vast swathes of lands, in an age where; hunger, pestilence, under utilisation of human assets, all could be irradiated, yet vast numbers of human beings are facing hunger, thirst, made homeless refugees in their own lands and elsewhere. There is always a good get out clause too, once it is the right, another time it is the left, then it is the moon’s gravitational pull, there always can be a good excuse found anyway.
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notwithstanding the above the poster boy for Iran bash brigade; oh so Maziar writes about the “strange etiquette” of the big bad bogey men come to arrest him. These took their shoes off, before entering his house! Well slap my thigh, what unetiquetted/dis etiquetted swine! This so called “Iranian” does not understand that the working class in Iran never sully any household with their shoes, and tread in the dust, dirt, etc. into any household, these men were very polite to him, and his mother, to the best of their abilities and heir working class sensibilities. Further, considerate, to the extent of asking for forgiveness for a household tissue to wipe off sweat, as well as consistently being apologetic for intruding into the household and in fear that his Mother could be upset by the process. This interloper, whose pedigree of treason goes back to the Shah times, clearly is the seed of a treasonous family tree, and I will definitely kick the seven bells out of him, if so much as he ever crosses my path.
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Finally, the veneer of concern torn and the ugly face of the belligerents whom would rather destroy the world to expand the dreams of ertz shitty strip of land, conveniently down play the arsenal of more than four hundred nuclear, and thermonuclear warheads, with delivery vehicles (missiles, short, long, intercontinental ranges, free aircraft (courtesy of US tax monies), as well as secondary retaliatory capacity in the guise of Dolphin class submarines (courtesy of German tax monies), which means in case isreal is hit, from beyond the grave these submarines can avenge its demise. But hey, let us talk about Iran and her nuclear programme! Never in the history of man has there been lunacy masquerading as foreign policy of a single compromised super power, and her compromised orbital minions, which this thread is about.

Yep, definitely Apostate. Hello, Apostate, how are Led Zep and Mr Barnes doing these days?