BBC Vomit

by craig on November 21, 2012 7:23 pm in Uncategorized

I was trying to come up with a witty and apposite acronym for BBC to describe what I have just seen on TV, but all I could manage was Beyond Belief Cunts.

Watching BBC World News here in Accra, I have just seen forty minutes of intense and non-stop Israeli propaganda. A live press conference by Netanyahu and Ehud Barak followed by a long, long interview with Mark Regev in which the most searching BBC question could fairly be paraphrased as “How can you be certain that those dastardly Palestinians will not break the ceasefire and start firing rockets again?”

No attempt whatsoever to give a Palestinian a chance to put over their viewpoint. Now fifty minutes of solid coverage around the ceasefire without a single Palestinian view or pro-Palestinian or pro-peace view. And in that entire fifty minutes not one mention of Palestinian dead.

Beyond Belief Cunts. Actually, it’s not a bad effort.

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  1. Short, sweet and irrefutably correct Craig.

  2. 40 minutes of BBC News. I can’t even imagine what that must feel like (though something akin to having your brains pulled out through your nose I would imagine).

  3. Mark Regev is essentially the Mouth of Sauron (LOTR enthusiasts will get it right away).

  4. Westminster is the arsehole of the world, and the BBC is half-way up it.

  5. Harry Fear just reported that the ceasefire is holding so far.

  6. jonny 2 jons

    21 Nov, 2012 - 7:43 pm

    BBC changed on 9/11,it has never felt right since that day. Biased,hysterical with that ‘embedded’ quality that marks most MSM these days. WTC7.

  7. jonny 2 jons

    21 Nov, 2012 - 7:43 pm

    Forgot to thank you Craig,well done.

  8. https://twitter.com/harryfear

    2m Harry Fear Harry Fear ‏@harryfear

    Gazans celebrate with fireworks, gunfire and chants :)

    They’d better be careful with the fireworks. Israel might decide they violate the ceasefire…

    Can you get RT in Accra?

  9. The BBC are beyond evil – they are the enemy!

  10. How did you survive such cruelty after what you’ve been through, shall we call a doctor?

    I’m sure that RT and Harry Fear,right or wrong name, young gifted and with style, he’s offered a large proportion of his RT salary to Gaza, will provide your suffering limbs and unruly guts, with some balm and eau de vivre, a life saving antidote.

    I think you have just started the first lines of a speech for the weekend, have you been invited, Craig?
    Some of us are going to meet up somewhere Phil is picking, before the demo, and maybe after.

    I think the BBC will do anything to please the Israeli propaganda machine for not having have to cover their thirty year cover up of a paedophile/ring, well, I say one, we shall see.

  11. Text of ceasefire agreement, source, Daily Star, Lebanon

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Nov-21/195838-text-of-israel-hamas-ceasefire-agreement.ashx#axzz2CbhplLkE

    Text of Israel-Hamas ceasefire agreement
    November 21, 2012 08:29 PM
    Agence France Presse
    A Palestinian youth looks at Israeli troops during clashes in the West Bank city of Herbon November 21 2012. REUTERS/Mussa Qawasma (WEST BANK – Tags: POLITICS CIVIL UNREST TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY)
    A Palestinian youth looks at Israeli troops during clashes in the West Bank city of Herbon November 21 2012. REUTERS/Mussa Qawasma (WEST BANK – Tags: POLITICS CIVIL UNREST TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY)
    A+ A-

    CAIRO: Israel and Hamas agreed Wednesday to an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire accord to end a week of violence in and around the Gaza Strip following days of marathon talks.

    Here is the text of the ceasefire agreement which is set to take effect at 1900 GMT:

    “Israel shall stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip land sea and air, including incursions and targeting of individuals.

    “All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel, including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border.

    “Opening the crossings and facilitating the movement of people and transfer of goods and refraining from restricting residents’ free movements and targeting residents in border areas. Procedures of implementation shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire.

    “Other matters as may be requested shall be addressed.”

    “Implementation mechanism.

    “Setting up the zero hour understanding to enter into effect.

    “Egypt shall receive assurances from each party that the party commits to what was agreed upon.

    “Each party shall commit itself not to perform any acts that would breach this understanding. In case of any observations, Egypt as a sponsor of this understanding, shall be informed to follow up.”

  12. “A week is a long time in Gaza. Or, how the BBC covered 38 consecutive breaking news stories …”

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2012/11/21/a-week-is-a-long-time-in-gaza-or-how-the-bbc-covered-38-consecutive-breaking-news-stories/

  13. From the vomitariun just now.

    ‘How long will the truce last?’ one of the BBC harpies has just asked George Mitchell. ‘After all nothing has changed politically’, she added.

    They take the biscuit for their chutzpah. Almost longing for Gaza to get some more of the same.

    Her name is Sophie Long and she had a freebie to Israel not so long ago, courtesy of BICOM. Another dyed blonde like Maitlis and hard faced.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Long

  14. “I have just seen forty minutes of intense and non-stop Israeli propaganda”

    Rear-guard action, camouflaging evident fact that Israel is militarily weak and fearful of all that Iranian hardware.

  15. Name(Required)

    21 Nov, 2012 - 8:50 pm

    biased british cunts

  16. No mention of reparations for the Gazan people I see. After Cast Lead, no building naterials were allowed in. That is why so many young children were employed to collect rubble and gravel near the ‘border’ and as they did so, provided target practice for the IDF.

    The methodical shooting of boys at work in Gaza by snipers of the Israeli Occupation Force
    http://dhalpin.infoaction.org.uk/videos/6-articles/palestineisrael/107-the-methodical-shooting-of-boys-at-work-in-gaza-by-snipers-of-the-israeli-occupation-force

  17. cynicalHighlander

    21 Nov, 2012 - 9:00 pm

  18. Good piece at Spinwatch on one of the pro-Israel guests the BBC kept bringing in:

    http://spinwatch.org/-articles-by-category-mainmenu-8/73-middle-east/5531-former-zionist-federation-official-on-the-run

  19. cynicalHighlander

    21 Nov, 2012 - 9:19 pm

    http://www.medialens.org/

    Time for the BBC to go.

  20. Shall we all move to Auckland? Palestinian flag is raised above US Consulate,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WhkakIiHydM

    Occupy Auckland & Occupy New Zealand members attended the Global Peace & Justice Solidarity march to the U.S. Embassy in Auckland New Zealand, Saturday 17 November 2012. Many protesters showed their contempt for U.S. foreign policy by throwing their shoes at the consulate, and the consulate stars and stripes flag was lowered from the flagpole above the embassy and replaced by a Palestinian flag.

    The usual comments below the video.

  21. Mark Regev has just confirmed live on CNN that there have been no rockets fired from Gaza since ceasefire. Some reports said there had been but Regev said not the case and ceasefire still holding.

    Fingers crossed…

  22. I sympathise with your problem of not having a better acronym for the BBC. If only there was a Conspicuously Unpleasant & Negative Title we could use.

  23. We have the same sort of bias against Scotland and independence every day on the news here.

    Labour are allowed to dibble on with their lies without much in the way of counter argument, except to be fair, on Newsnight Scotland where, because the interviewers make an effort to be unbiased, that idiot of a man Ian Davidson calls then ‘Newsnat’.

    The BBC management (those who have not stood aside) obviously has connections to Israel, and no one in authority clearly gives a toss about the Palestinians.

    I’ve stopped watching or listening to the BBC, unfortunately, to be able to enjoy other channels I still have to pay them £140+ a year, so they can waste it on multi-layered incompetent management and whatever else these people do in the dark recesses of broadcasting House, with or without Mr Savile.

    Beyond Belief, Yes; Cunts, absolutely.

  24. ‘Mark Regev has just confirmed live on CNN that there have been no rockets fired from Gaza since ceasefire. Some reports said there had been but Regev said not the case and ceasefire still holding…’ If Regev said that it can’t possibly be true.

  25. Time for a political boycott of the licence fee by those who oppose the “B”BC’s bias (far too weak a word!) towards the Zionazis? We could probably fill a wing of a prison at least :-)

  26. Obviously the BBC have changed tack since Barbara Plett and the Balen Report.

    “How long will the ceasefire last?” A fair question looking back on what’s happened in the past. We’ve been through this so often (ceasefire-rockets-bombing-ceasefire-bombing-rockets etc etc) it’s a bit like watching a repaet of Dad’s Army.

  27. They are BiBi’s Cunts. Or maybe Bibi’s Bribed Cunts?

  28. BiBicom?

  29. Hamas leader, Khaled Mashal, on CNN “We are not claiming responsibility for the bus explosion. We don’t know who did it”

    Interesting that CNN just broadcast a lengthy interview with Khaled Mashal conducted by Amanpour.

  30. Baby Banging Cretins

  31. One of my friends came up with Buggered By Cretins, given their general management fiasco. More to the point, if that plausible, cunning arsehole Mark Regev had been hired as spokesperson by Bliar (who is strangely silent, as a member of the Middle East Quartet)…

  32. Imagine Hamas fires a rocket that hits an Israeli primary school, killing 30 kids. Imagine the front pages of all our newspapers – massive photos and single word headlines that all scream ‘atrocity’, or some such. Imagine the sombre urgency with which the BBC and every other jaundiced spewhole views this event. How to view it? As horrific. Grotesque. As a crime against humanity.
    And so is killing 30 Palestinian kids, which has actually happened over the last week. Thirty little kids blown apart or crushed under falling buildings.
    How can we change this imbalance? What pressure can we bring to bear?

  33. Tony – “if Regev said that it can’t possibly be true.”

    On this occasion Regev was talking to Wolf Blitzer. He just seemed to give up and give a straight answer for a change. Wolf Blitzer started his mainstream career with the Jerusalem Post.

  34. Maybe the BBC could supply its sound experts to Israel. For some bizarre reason Israel’s drones sound like WW2 bombers. Clearly nobody wants that so some sound techs could be supplied as Israel obviously doesn’t have any. If other countries drones made that much noise they’d be easy to target and destroy. Poor Israel hasn’t mastered the art of silence.

    Drones remain overhead after the ceasefire of course.

  35. There was a coup at the BBC at the time of the Dr David Kelly ‘suicide’ when John Burt resined, since then it’s been run by Israel via BICOM. The BBC staff dont even agree with the shit they churn out, they say they live in fear of a call from Tel Aviv.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/19/273371/bicom/

  36. Why does Shimon Peres seem so genuinely happy on CNN with Wolf Blitzer? Has he really won an internal argument against Netanyahu? Has he more wisdom at 89 years old?

    I’m confused. Can’t believe Netanyahu likes this outcome. Will wait to see what happens next.

  37. Craig, as a Palestinian, your words mean a lot. There’s something about when a British, American, or other “white” man/woman acknowledges the Palestinian people’s suffering and the injustices committed against it. You don’t have a reason to care yet you not only care but you write and speak out. You do so fully aware that it could mean you are jeopardizing your career. A heartfelt thank you and a plea that you never ever stop speaking out on behalf of the oppressed. Your words are valued a thousand times more than ours. Thank you, you give me hope:'(

  38. Bring Back Caring.

  39. Manal, thanks for coming here and peace be with you, we are all Palestinians now, due to the distortions that exist, but positivity, respect and responsibility for each other means that the world has a consciousness.

    Israel has just realised this.

  40. forgot to say goodnight all

  41. This looks like an interesting solution, as belief in current system and leadership declines

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lggPqu525Gg

  42. Craig,

    What did you expect from the BBC!!!, we might as well hand it over to Murdoch, we wouldn’t notice any change in the propaganda.

    “A few powerful men have hijacked our economic, financial and political structure. They aren’t socialists or capitalists. They’re criminals.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-are-you-seeing-what-im-seeing

  43. “BBC changed on 9/11, it has never felt right since that day.”

    Quite right Jonny, yet this news kinder tickled the sixth sense:

    (Reuters) – United Airlines bears no responsibility for the collapse of a third World Trade Center building on September 11, 2001, stemming from suspected airport security lapses that allowed hijackers to crash an American Airlines plane into the complex, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday.

    U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein granted a request by United and its parent, United Continental Holdings Inc, to dismiss negligence claims by Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the World Trade Center property, over the destruction of 7 World Trade Center.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/11/21/uk-usa-worldtradecenter-airlines-idUKBRE8AK0WS20121121

  44. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    22 Nov, 2012 - 1:23 am

    30 white children killed in one instance, is news. 30 brown kids killed, piece by piece…..not so much.

  45. The law on television licenses was changed some years ago. You no longer need a licence just because you own a television or a TV recorder. You only need a licence to watch or record television at the same time as it is being transmitted.

    The law was changed because of the Internet and the BBC iPlayer. You do not need a licence to watch programmes on iPlayer, because programmes are not released onto the Internet until after the programme has finished.

    I do not have a TV licence. I have a BT Vision TV recorder on my electronic junk pile; I may try to make it run Linux one day. I have a digital TV; I am using it right now as the monitor for my computer.

    Every two years or so, The “TV Licensing Authority” (actually outsourced to Capita) send me a trick questionnaire. There are three questions, with boxes that I must tick or leave blank. Two of the questions are straight-forward. The third is very strangely worded, to try to trick me into the wrong answer just because I possess a TV / recorder. Reading carefully, however, reveals that watching or recording at the time of transmission is the real issue. Correctly ticked / unticked boxes result in no further intimidating letters for two years.

    If you don’t want to pay for propaganda, you may find the following links helpful.

    http://www.bbctvlicence.com/

    http://uk-tvlicensing-resistance.co.nr/

    http://tv-licensing.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/lies-damn-lies-and-tv-licensing.html

    Nearly all convictions for having no licence are secured through confessions. The testimony of a witness, such as an agent of TV Licensing or Capita looking through your window or listening through your letterbox could also be used as evidence. The “TV Detector Vans” are almost certainly a hoax, as a Freedom of Information Act request revealed that such evidence has never been presented in open court.

  46. This summed up the coverage pretty well:

    “Rockets have continued to be fired from both sides…” Then, to illustrate this, we saw a demolished building in Gaza in which 11 people had perished, and a woman in Israel standing next to her car with a smashed windscreen. Which goes to show everyone’s suffering, what with three generations of a family getting wiped out on one side, and a woman having to ring Autoglass on the other.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/hei-fi/views/mark-steel-its-just-health-and-safety-hamas-8339806.html?origin=internalSearch

  47. I wonder if a slew of officially lodged complaints against the BBC for its biased reporting would do any good at all, given all complaints must be dealt with?

    When the BBC refused to allow DEC to put out any information on its appeal for the desperate people of Gaza in the “Cast Lead” crime in 2009, enough complaints were submitted to make it to the official review board (which decided that nothing was amiss, admittedly). Sigh. It was obvious then that the fix was most definitely in.

    That Europe, never mind the UK, can let these filthy crimes go by without comment is terribly dispiriting. That freak Hague, in his curiously warbling, nasally tones chiding anyone who might possibly be confused, that “We support the right of Israel to defend itself…” … that being the royal “we”, naturally.

    What will it take? Every last Arab dead or far, far away (preferably in a jail somewhere), before Israel is finally happy? Or will that paranoid, evil state of genocide start looking suspiciously at the rest of us then, and we can – too late – recall the warning of Pastor Niemoller.

    No wonder Israel is considered Amerika’s over-indulged child, that can simply do no wrong. They were both founded on stolen land, taken through genocide. Israel simply wants to complete the process so they too can get on with being a hideous blight on the rest of the world.

  48. Blatantly Biased Crap

    I used to listen to the BBC World Service in the wee hours when I couldn’t sleep but can no longer stand it and have turned to audiobooks.

    If enough people switched off they woiuld have to re-think.

  49. Big Brother Collaboration

  50. Oops to above, I meant to write …..

    Big Brother Conspiracy

  51. One hopes the BBC is set on a path of destruction simply because the BBC is blindly resolute in supporting a long deceased great power structure that has continued to extend the impossible by deception and war.

    That deception endeavors to manipulate our thinking by diversion and entertainment in much the same way an ancient Rome near to collapse staged gladiator gore in the arena’s of death.

    Yet this fondling of our cognitive map is finally emerging as bankrupt simply because the Internet, that great British HTTP invention called the ‘www’ has already begun to evolve our lives from people like Craig who speak the truth in the face of this collective delusion. We realise to understand something is to be liberated from it.

    We exist in an age of consequence. Too long have we endured a rapacious financial system, abject poverty for millions, escalating war, violence, torture and environmental fall-out.

    Government and religion have stalled. Our lives reside with war, conquest, poverty disparity and death.

    Those four Horsemen are active and real. The very trait that enabled us to survive is the very trait that has suppressed us.

    I believe we can no longer allow the gate-keepers to overwhelm our thoughts and obscure our reasoning.

    The power of intention forced Israel to cease fire with Hamas. It is that power in our blogs, tweets, websites, films, voice and boots on the ground that will free the people of Gaza from the blades of genocide; the blood of their children will stain Israel, putrefy her cause and render her leaders prostate and paralysed. The sequel is overdue.

  52. What is needed is a researcher to compare what was happening in Israel and Gaza with the headlines, reporting and commentary of the major news outlets. If it is as biased as many of us think, it would be quantified and the BBC would have to answer for it.

  53. Adriana.
    You’ve just described Media Lens.

    http://www.medialens.org/

  54. Just in case you’re unfamiliar with Media Lens, they analyse the mainstream media in just the way you describe, comparing the media’s treatment of a news story with reality.

    This week the topic is indeed Gaza, but other than the title “Gaza Blitz – Turmoil And Tragicomedy At The BBC “at the top of the home page, it’s not obvious that Gaza is the subject unless you click the “read more …” link.
    Then you’ll see that the authors were unhurriedly setting out the context before launching into a scathing criutique of th BBC’s handling of the story.

    Anyone who reads the article through can be left in no doubt that ” … it is as biased as many of us think …” and the authors have “quantified” the bias in an unarguable fashion, but as to whether the BBC will “have to answer” for it, …

    … I think they answer to no one except there Zionist controllers.

  55. Thanks A Node – another good site bookmarked!

  56. Sorry, no Ploody PC here

    22 Nov, 2012 - 5:43 am

    [Mod/Jon: references to “impregnantable dykes that keep out the truth” will just get you deleted here.]

  57. Debbie(Aussie)

    22 Nov, 2012 - 6:04 am

    Mark@2:10wonderful comment, so hope you are correct.

  58. The TV detector vans are a indeed a hoax. Capita work by assuming that everyone has a TV and then knocking on doors where there is no licence recorded at that address. Not for nothing does Private Eye describe them as ‘Crapita’. Their IT systems are unbelievably primitive. A young man knocked on my door and showed me a document.
    – Do you have a TV licence for this address?
    – No
    He was obviously delighted and filled out a lot of forms, eventually asking for a signature.
    – Sign? What for?
    – Because you don’t have a TV licence for this address.
    – I don’t live at that address.

    Their silly software couldn’t handle variants of flat addresses, like ‘G/1′, G/L’ and ‘1/1′ which all refer to the same home.

    I have heard that if you take a stand on non-payment of the licence fee and indicate that you want your day in court to explain your position, you will be left well alone. I don’t know if that’s true, but I think a mass (or at any rate large) co-ordinated movement to withhold payment would certainly avoid prosecution. However the corrupt power is so deeply entrenched that I can see little hope of change.

  59. Jonny 2 Jons 21 Nov, 2012 – 7:43 pm
    “BBC changed on 9/11,it has never felt right since that day.”

    The idea that the bbc was not propaganda before 9/11 lacks perspective.

    Modern propaganda techniques were developed in the US during/after ww1 and quickly spread thereafter.

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=propaganda+edward+bernays+creel+commission+pr

  60. If I hear the question ‘Will the truce hold’ one more time on ZBC, I will scream.

    I heard that Israel have arrested over 20 ‘terror suspects’. Surely there are more than 20 in Mossad.

  61. Adriana 22 Nov, 2012 – 2:51 am
    “If it is as biased as many of us think, it would be quantified and the BBC would have to answer for it.”

    If only. One quick example: Two studies, one from cardiff university and another from a german research company, researched the bbc output in the run up to the iraq war. They found the bbc output was 93 – 95% pro war. The bbc simply ignored it.

  62. RE my comment above about bbc pre iraq war. Sorry it is not detailed. It is from memory and I don’t have time to dind the details now.

    I think the studies looked at bbc tv news output and both came up with pro war arguments at over 90%. I can’t recall the german company name.

  63. Blatant Bullshit Communication? No…they wouldn’t get away with that before the watershed, either. My request for information on Blair’s movements as Quartet representative has not yet been acknowledged. No doubt the staff of TOoTB* are too busy transferring funds between his 6 offshore accounts.

    *Tax Obscuration of Tony Bliar

  64. Pilger mentions the above studies here: http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-bbc-is-on-murdoch-s-side

  65. How about British Brainwashing Corporation ?

  66. Good point Glenn UK. That bastard Mark Thompson has gone off with OUR money to New York with his Zionist wife, Jane Blumberg. The non transmission of the DEC appeal was a total disgrace as was the non broadcast of Caryl Churchill’s Seven Children on Radio 4 in 2009. His stooge Caroline Thomson (different surname) conspired in this with him and I was appalled to see that her name was in the hat before that pathetic Entwistle was chosen for the DG job. The latter went off with OUR money too of course. Lord Patten, with his multiple financial interests which necessitate his work at ZBC to be part time, should get the push.

    Mark Thompson should be hauled back to the UK to tell all that he knows, which must be considerable, about Savile.

    PS It is revealed today that Savile had ‘total’ access to Broadmoor Hospital.

  67. One interest of Patten’s is a place on the advisory board of Bridgepoint Capital. One of their many health sector holdings is Care UK currently one of the major asset strippers of OUR NHS and whose boss is a large donor to the Tories. See The Green Benches website.

    http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/lord-patten-of-barnes-bridgepoint-and.html

    A staggeringly long list. And a definite conflict of interest for Patten in view of the exceedingly small amount of information on the implications of the Health and Social Care Act 2012 given to the public by the state broadcaster. Instead we get pap like Stricly Come Dancing to fill the screens.

  68. A Node 22 Nov, 2012 – 3:28 am
    “I think they [bbc] answer to no one except there Zionist controllers.”

    No, no, no. FFS propaganda exists beyond israel’s behaviour. The world is not controlled by zionists. Zionism is just another part of the problem. Not the problem.

  69. @Vronsky. I don’t watch TV, and when I get hassled by Capita, I write back (to the freepost address, and getting proof of posting) using the most ridiculous assumed name I can think of at the time, telling them

    1) I don’t watch TV or have any TV receiving equipment at the property

    2) I’m issuing an order removing their ‘implied right’ to walk up my front path or otherwise enter the property

    3) if they do come up my front path, I’ll photograph the person and their ID, publish the photos and their identity, and treat them as the trespasser that they are, and

    4) if they keep writing to me, I’ll consider issuing proceedings under the Protection from Harassment Act.

    That’s always done the trick. They’re all mouth and trousers.

  70. Sorry but anyone who thinks getting specialist analysts to prove on paper that the BBC is biased in favour of the Zionists – i.e. proving the bleeding obvious – will get us much further forward, is deluding themselves about the sheer darkness of the times we live in, and about the utter ruthlessness and hypocrisy of the criminals who rule us.

    @Phil – the BBC is obviously controlled by Zionists; that doesn’t mean Beijing is controlled by Zionists.

  71. The form of BBC propaganda was very similar during the Irish Troubles in the 1970s, 80s and 90s.

    One of the major features, when discussing bombs and killings etc., was this business of “who started it”.

    Thus invariably Republican violence was discussed as if it existed in a vacuum, whilst Loyalist or British violence was always a response to something.

    I have to say though that the BBC was a far far better organisation during the 1970s and 80s up to 1987 than it is today.

  72. In 2009 when Israel’s 22-day blitzkrieg was over, nearly 1,400 Palestinians had been wiped off the planet of whom four-fifths were civilians and 350 children, and over 5,000 wounded.

    Israel had destroyed or damaged 58,000 homes, 280 schools, 1,500 factories, water and sewage installations and 80 percent of agricultural crops. The cost to Gaza’s civilian infrastructure was estimated at $660 to 900 million while the total economic cost was put at $3 to 3.5 billion.

    It was really a non-war, said Norman Finkelstein in his book This Time We Went Too Far, and testimonies of Israeli soldiers included remarks like: “There was nothing there… nothing moved”; “No real resistance”; “Everyone was disappointed about not engaging anyone”.

    /..

    http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2012/11/21/and-after-the-ceasefire/

  73. there is an e-petition to boycott the TV licence because of savile child molesting and possible abduction murder, PressTV was removed from the airwaves, we have “free speech” in the UK how proud we all are. Murdoch/BBC are happy to break the law to find out which celebrity is sleeping with who, but when it comes to paedophiles eyes wide shit, they see nothing and know nothing, can anyone figure this out, the old newspaper maxim “if it bleeds it leads” has to have the phrase “unless it is an arab who bleeds or a child in the UK being brutalized by some new labour pervert councillor” then it must not lead and not be reported.

  74. A week is a long time in Gaza or how the BBC covered 38 consecutive breaking news stories

    Analysis by Kevin Williamson

    The BBC’s reporting on the current conflict in Gaza has been subject to claim and counter-claim of bias from pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli camps. Surely they can’t both be right. I decided to take a closer look at the BBC Breaking News twitter feed to try and determine whether there was any substance to the claims.

    Over the last seven days @BBCBreaking have flagged up 38 breaking news stories related to the current crisis in Gaza. I’ve made copies of them all and present all of them here, in chronological order, added my own commentary above each one. (The final one is from around 10am this morning). Many of these stories have disappeared now or have been amalgamated into other commentary. The headlines give an insight into how the BBC is weighting its coverage. Feel free to disregard my comments and draw your own conclusions.

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2012/11/21/a-week-is-a-long-time-in-gaza-or-how-the-bbc-covered-38-consecutive-breaking-news-stories/

  75. Captain Eytan Buchman of the Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) Spokesperson’s Unit speaks. Buchman is the Israeli military’s main representative to the North America press. I wonder who the IDF have allocated to control the output on the UK social media.

    http://www.fastcompany.com/3003305/inside-israeli-militarys-social-media-squad

  76. At risk of being roundly abused, can I point out that the BBC is under fire from both sides? Take this for instance:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2193845/Why-wont-BBC-come-clean-bias-Israel–moral-country-deserves-support.html
    Some people are never satisfied.

    But an honourable mention for the BBC’s John Donnison, who was reporting from Gaza, and, when he was allowed on-air, did so objectively and at some risk to his life, phoney jump-cuts to sirens in Tel Aviv (inserted editorially) notwithstanding.

  77. Personally I am too enamoured of the female genitals to (fully) appreciate your acronym but for the rest I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    However, I still have the inescapable impression that you (all) persist in ignoring the animal in (the middle of) the room, to wit the one with the trunk as represented in your neck of the woods by your choice between the prime minister and the leader of her majesty’s opposition and by the candidates in the last presidential election in France.

  78. …sirens in Tel Aviv…on reflection, did it occur to any media production using these emotive sounds to point out that in Gaza there are:
    (a) no sirens
    (b) no early warning system and
    (c) no public shelters?

    I think not.

  79. No, Petrus. We are all aware of the pachyderm. He appears frequently in the context of merchant banking, too. Read some of the archive.

  80. Israel and its acolytes routinely complain of bias, even when the outlet is favouring them.

    All the analysis, academic and otherwise, that’s been done, including the BBCs own commissioned report show overwhelming bias in favour of Israel.

    Common sense tells us this too.

  81. I think you are being a little too even handed there Komodo. Sometimes you puzzle me.

    Yes Donnison has mellowed. Perhaps that it is because several of a group of friends have written to him personally over a period (and to other BBC ME personnel) pointing out the inhumanities of the Palestinians’ situation in Gaza.

  82. Here’s an interesting example of someone, a Blairite Labour supporter apparently, who complains of BBC bias against Israel, and it’s quite simply a case of their misrepresenting the facts.

    It’s depressing that Labour ended up with such supporters. They’re the total antithesis of what Labour was up to the 1980s.

    http://www.newsunspun.org/eotn/telegraphs-dan-hodges-says-bbc-news-didnt-mention-hamas-rocket-attacks-they-did

  83. Thanks Komodo, spread my egg yellow all over my wrist pad now….
    I suppose we will see, by means of publications and whining for the next two weeks, how much Israel has suffered from the bad coverage, how overwhelmed they were by the cyber attacks and how difficult it was to get one’s windscreen replaced in Asqualan.

    I suppose the demo is still on and so is our meeting up.

    Have you identified a suitable corner near to the empirical centre? Phil

  84. Mary: There is no excuse whatever for the World Service doing what Craig describes above. But I think it’s helpful to point up the way in which the Zionist lobby is doing its best to push the bias as far as possible towards Israel’s propaganda objectives. And I am happy to acknowledge honest reporting when it occurs – no matter who, or what their history. Stick and carrot.

    Scaremongering tabloids like the Mail are handy for the Zionists, and very difficult to correct. I don’t think your friends, whatever their influence on Donnison, would get very far in convincing Mel Phillips’ mentors that lying for Israel was an undesirable activity. Or in convincing the BBC that the Mail’s op-eds did not represent a sector of public opinion which also needs to be represented. Because having got the Zionist narrative into the fishwrappers, the hasbara crew can actually claim that it does represent a sector of public opinion.

    Maybe that will puzzle you more. Good. At least it promotes thought…

  85. Nevermind – glad you took that in the spirit intended, but sorry about the ?paint spill?. Yes. We can look forward to weeks of obfuscation from our beacon of democracy and champion of peace. And once it’s all calmed down, no-one will do anything about the underlying problem, and it will all happen again in 2-4 years. Let’s keep this issue live.

  86. Thanks for your polite reply Komodo.

  87. Weasel words from a Guglielmo Verdirame, Professor of Internationa Law, Dept of War Studies at King’s College London

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1353577860.html

    His provenance. {http://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/departments/warstudies/people/professors/verdirame.aspx}

  88. Mary you are not right at that point , there are isnt anything interesant on your link .

    [Mod/Jon: looks like a spambot, link deleted!]

  89. Mary, Sebi wants some nice picture’s to look at, without pictures he cannot read the stories on medialense….

    Es gibt reichlich interessante Fakten in Mary’s link, Sebi, lesen, junger mann lesen…

    Now for the final call for Saturdays meeting and possible demo.
    Phil is still looking for a suitable site/pub/cafe to meet and anybody who is able to leave their screens for some real live communicating is welcome to meet up.

    This song surely must encompass the cease fire mood.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odf1WWhAF6I

    Phiiiiiihil, were are we meeting up?

  90. I didn’t go to his link http://www.sexoanaltm.com/ as I assumed it was a spambot judging from the title!

  91. Establishment and ex BBC type for new DG. :)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20441887

  92. Granted, it might be a German or French bot which can’t spell, Nevermind, but it might also be a Polish one which can…

    …bloody Poles, taking our jobs….

  93. @Jonny 2 Jons
    21 Nov, 2012 – 7:43 pm

    You’re dead right there, Jonny!

    Whatever did happen to Jane Standley?

    And Gilligan and Greg Dyke should have stood up to those other beyond belief cunts Bliar and Campbell. They should have remembered the days when R4’s Today could bring down governments.

  94. Hall is ex director of BBC ‘news’.

    Placeperson appointed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hall,_Baron_Hall_of_Birkenhead

  95. PPE, Oxford. Now where have I seen that before?

  96. Another CBE gate-keeper Mary. His wife Cynthia is best buddy to Sam Cameron, a former pupil of the haughty and snotty school of St Helen & St Katharine.

  97. Just had a giggle at some of the comments about the DG job on Guido Fawkes. Some of the posters’ handles are quite funny too.

    Someone has even put up a video of the finale of Gotterdammerung! The immolation. Ha! Likely a dig at the current state of the BBC and a hat tip to Hall’s opera luvvy connection.

    http://order-order.com/2012/11/22/new-director-general-of-bbc-is-lord-tony-hall/

    {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=146tTKSXu7s}

  98. I googled ‘Cynthia Hall images’ Mark to see what she looked like and got a surprise. Her photo is among whatever the collective noun is for breasts.

    I think the same applies to Teresa May’s image from memory.

  99. Here’s the rather excitable Robin Shepherd attacking poor old Jeremy Bowen. The article is hilarious in its absurdity. Total cobblers!

    Bowen was very good back in the day, so it’s orders from above and producer guidelines which are the problem at the BBC. If they’d just let their good reporters do their job, without political interference, they’d be a much better organisation than the joke they are today.

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2066/more_absurd_anti_israel_bias_from_bbc_mideast_editor

  100. Hi Everyone – completely O/T, I’m sorry, but important new info about Julian Assange/Wikileaks I think many in this community are interested in.

    The Flashback folk have unearthed potentially explosive news. English speakers will need to use Google translate on the links below, and likewise with the links within the Flashback posts.

    Brief summary is that a 7 September 2010 raid in Sweden on a network of “elite” file-sharers – misleadingly described as co-ordinated by the Belgian authorities and as “nothing to do with Wikileaks” in the Swedish MSM at the time – was in fact a smokescreen for a CIA op to link two particular IP addresses: one was Bradley Manning’s aunt’s house, the other was to Wikileaks’ server at Swedish host at the time of Cablegate, PRQ.

    Here are the best Flashback posts giving the details:

    https://www.flashback.org/sp40488798

    https://www.flashback.org/sp40494111

    And here’s the “smokescreen” story as it appeared on Sveriges Radio’s site on 7 September 2010:

    http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=1646&artikel=3989392

    PRQ, of course, is the company founded by Gottfrid Svartholm – @Anakata – also co-founder of The Pirate Bay and friend of Julian Assange, who is currently 11 weeks into detention in solitary confinement for various reasons:

    – serving the one-year prison sentence he was given in absentia for his role in the Pirate Bay

    – “suspicions” (ie not yet charges) allegedly relating to a hack of Logica, contractor to the Swedish tax authorities and Defence systems. These were slapped on him following the extremely dodgy (and possibly illegal) manoeuvres by the Swedish authorities to get him deported back to Sweden from Cambodia

    – new “suspicions” (ie not yet charges) of “aggravated fraud” which the Swedish prosecutor refuses to go into any detail about. Very vague.

    I can’t help feeling that the third item here is really the crux of everything, and that Svartholm’s detention in Stockholm is part of the bigger picture of getting Assange extradited to the US via Sweden to face the espionage indictment that’s currently under seal with the Grand Jury in Virginia. I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if Svartholm’s name is on one of the other sealed indictments discovered by accident by Birgitta Jonsdottir’s US lawyers, ie Svartholm is one of the “seven civilians” it’s been confirmed the Grand Jury is investigating. In this scenario, perhaps Svartholm’s pre-charge detention is simply a holding mechanism pending the successful extradition of Assange from the UK to Sweden, then they both get shipped off together to the US.

    I wonder if one of our Flashback visitors could do an English translation of the Flashback posts and links above, to help get this important info out into the English-speaking blogosphere?

  101. Gosh, mary, first that Sebi bot, now this Cynthia Hall woman, just had my wrist pad cleaned of egg….

    are you planning any more page 3 stuff…;)

  102. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=541039:

    In Cairo, Hamas leader Khalid Mashaal said his movement would respect the truce if Israel did, but would respond to any violations. ‘If Israel complies, we are compliant. If it does not comply, our hands are on the trigger,’ he told a news conference.

    Mashaal thanked Egypt for mediating and praised Iran for providing Gazans with financing and arms. ‘We have come out of this battle with our heads up high,’ he said”

    (…)
    Islamic Jihad chief Ramadan Shallah: ‘We fought with honor, and we accept these understandings (ceasefire) with honor'”

    And now over to the Zionists:

    Israel’s defense minister said meanwhile that Israel dropped 1,000 times as much explosive on the Gaza Strip as had landed in Israel.

    Barak dismissed the ceasefire text released by Hamas and Egypt as ‘a piece of paper which I don’t remember anyone going around with — there’s no signature on it.'”

    The attitude being…‘What, us? Sign an agreement with donkeys?

    He appeared to confirm, however, a key Hamas claim that the Israelis would no longer enforce a no-go zone on the Gaza side of the frontier that the army says has prevented Hamas raids.

    That last issue is to do with food and water.

    And from Hamas:

    (Khaled Mashaal) stressed that the Israeli regime tried during its bargaining process to make the Palestinian resistance cease fire first without discussing its demands, but the resistance refused that and insisted on the need for concluding a package deal including its demands.

    (He) added that the resistance insisted on the need for an Israeli pledge to ease its blockade and to stop the killing and assassination of Palestinian figures and civilians in Gaza as well as its military incursions by land, sea and air.

    ‘We feel pain for the fall of victims, but we ended the battle holding our heads high, and this was one round and would be followed by others. Inevitably, Israel is going to lose; every victory always begets another victory and every defeat begets another defeat,’ he underscored.”

  103. McAlpine and his lawyers (including Sir Edward Garnier MP and Con FoI remember) have cleaned up a cool £310k+costs jointly from ITV and the BBC.

    Lord McAlpine in £125,000 settlement over ITV broadcast
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20443186

    Reference
    Grieve’s deputy is Solicitor-General Edward Garnier. In February, while still in opposition but warming up for the general election, he and Kenneth Clarke visited Israel as delegates of Conservative Friends of Israel when they could (and should) have gone under a neutral parliamentary flag. {http://www.redress.cc/stooges/slittlewood20100724}

  104. Are you sure this thread isn’t a dumbing down of BBC proportions. Ok Craig is probably sadly still unwell. The ‘resistance’ put up by Gaza has delivered a ‘political’ victory for them. But knowing the actors I believe even this is staged. Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood is successfully delivering USUKISPI (political Islam) good news for Islam: In exchange for a few hundred Gazan lives the arch manipulator and bankster of Zionism has been humiliated into stopping its aggression.

    No, Mr Morsi, the narrative of this news is as phoney as the US Embassy siege in Benghazi or the resignation of Gen. Betrayus.
    Political Islam is a slice of the Zionist banking New World Order and it is being given leave by its UKUSIS partners to gain legitimacy. What kind of legitimacy, i.e. the murder of a gay US ambassador, etc is the plot of a John Waine Hollywood Western? Whose script writers now work for the NWO dreaming up populist boxoffice hits for the winning of democratic elections and subjugating us to their will.

    Just because it has a happy ending we are all supposed to believe that this is a moral victory, as well as a staged political victory. No. In order to get this cheap day of triumph, political Islam has had to reject all moral standing. That leaves the moral majority even more stuffed than by the Zionist biassed BBC.

  105. …whatever the collective noun is for breasts

    A fondle.
    [exit, pursued by…]

  106. Guano:
    We all have our own opinions. Mine is that Israel only agreed (if it agreed) to a ceasefire because it has achieved its objectives, whether those are the destruction of munitions, the intimidation of Gaza or simply training its aircrew and gunners. It will continue to build settlements, and it will continue to embargo all trade with Gaza. The assaults will resume the next time someone not under Hamas control takes a potshot at something on the other side of the fence, and Egypt will continue to co-operate in order to keep getting the U$D regularly. Political Islam is the same as political anything else: it follows the money with its tongue hanging out.

    Not a victory for the Palestinians, then, I agree. I think I must have missed where somebody said it was, though.

  107. I have used the following for a long time
    British Brainwashing Corporation
    or recently

    Buggering British Children

  108. Finklestein argues that Gaza came out of it better than Israel, in political terms at least:

    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2012/the-bigger-they-are-the-harder-they-fall/

  109. Keith Crosby

    22 Nov, 2012 - 2:23 pm

    Oscar Wilde couldn’t have put it better, ;O)

  110. Oh my. You couldn’t make this shit up. But apparently you can. Read the comments at the Daily Mail = nobody seems to be buying this story.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236716/British-family-massacred-Alps-shot-crazed-serial-killer-hatred-tourists-say-detectives.html

    British family massacred in the Alps were shot by a crazed serial killer with a hatred of tourists, say detectives

    Police officers investigating the horrific murders of a British family in the Alps believe they were shot by a serial killer with a hatred of tourists, it has emerged.

    The motive behind the horrific killings of Saad al-Hilli, his wife Iqbal and mother-in-law Suhaila Iqbal while on a camping holiday in the south of France have left detectives baffled.

    But French detectives say they have now linked the murders of the British family with the mysterious death of another tourist in July.

    Xavier Baligant, 29, was shot four times at a rest area near Nancy while he was heading home to Belgium following a camping trip. His two sons Jordan, 7, and Dylan, five, were sleeping in his car when their father was killed. They escaped unharmed.

    The al-Hilli’s were also on a camping trip in Annecy, France, when they were attacked.

    Police also believe the gun used in both attacks was very similar – it is thought to have been used by the Swiss army before the First World War and is a collectors’ item.

  111. “a serial killer with a hatred of tourists”

    Otherwise known as Piccadilly Line Syndrome. Looks like the French are a bit rusty at The Great Game.

  112. Meanwhile, tucked away in the BACK pages of the Guardian…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/20/scrounger-stigma-poor-people-benefits

  113. Arbed, thanks.

    For readers who are following the story of Julian Assange, investigation is still ongoing on the following thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-5/#comment-382086

  114. How about

    Biased Bovine Cunts?

    Although some would argue; cunts are quite useful addendum, therefore the corrected version should carry a notice “useless cunts at that”.

    The shameful and hysterical bias of this depleted and dilapidated organ renders it not fit for the purpose and ready for restructuring, ie stop the racket of getting the tax payer paying for the propaganda that it is to be subjected to. In other words you (whomsoever who wants to lie their tits off) want to propagandise than fucking pay for it, and spare us the indignity of paying for a license and then sit back there like chumps irate and foaming at the mouth watching the unbelievable vile propaganda pouring into out sitting rooms and kitchens.

  115. Anyone wishing to meet up before Saturday’s demo in London, arrangements are being made on the following thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/11/thanks/#comment-382120

  116. Maybe Beyond Belief Cowards

  117. Notwithstanding, we do need a public service broadcasting entity that is independent of commercial pressures as much as it is of political ones. The BBC needs its management quota cut by 75%. It needs to scrutinise the affiliations of the remaining 25%. Its production staff should be rationalised, and new decisions taken as to its entertainment content. If that involves dropping reality TV projects undertaken in search of market share, so be it. It should encourage new talent rather than paying established talent telephone numbers… It needs to restore its reputation as an internationally trusted purveyor of objective global news (whether it ever deserved the reputation being another matter entirely). And if the government of the day is pursuing inhumane or unethical policies, the BBC should be able to publicise the evidence and say so.

  118. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    22 Nov, 2012 - 3:19 pm

    OT-FYI

    X-class solar flare expected……

    CHANCE OF STORMS: NOAA forecasters estimate a 65% chance of polar geomagnetic storms on Nov. 23rd when a pair of CMEs is expected to hit Earth’s magnetic field. The incoming clouds were propelled toward Earth by the recent eruptions of sunspot AR1618. Black Friday might be tinged red and green by the glow of high-latitude auroras. Aurora alerts: text, voice.

    http://www.spaceweather.com/

  119. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    22 Nov, 2012 - 4:01 pm

    A sufficiently powerful CME will fry electronics.

    A simple Faraday Cage, theoretically, will protect your electronics (laptop, cellphone)

    30 gallon or better galvanized steel ash can attached with copper lead to copper-rod driven into the ground. That should do it.

  120. Patten losing his rag a little at the press conference esp on Entwistle and his leaving package.

    Hall does not start until March

    Patten says that the BBC has the most trust of the public above all other media. LOL

  121. Donnison is a jumped up twerp. How rude and offensive of him to reply like this to the Medialens editors who had actually complimented him on his Gaza reporting.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1353591236.html

  122. The Wikipedia entry for Lord Hall lists his board membership for LearnDirect. Don’t know if that directorship is current. Probably not as LearnDirect were taken over by a private equity LDC in October 2011 for £40m. LDC is a Lloyds Bank division.

    Anyone know anything about LearnDirect? Does HMG use their services?

    http://www.ldc.co.uk/Portfolio/CompanyInfo.aspx?Id=322

    Welcome to LDC, the leading UK regional mid-market private equity house.
    We are private equity specialists with a 30 year history of supporting management buy-outs (MBO), equity release (cash out), development (DevCap) and acquisition finance transactions.
    LDC retains an appetite for management buy-outs, and other private equity transactions involving strong and ambitious management teams from all business sectors. With a current portfolio of 60+ businesses valued in excess of £2billion LDC’s experience in the private equity arena is well known.
    As a company we will back you, stay close to you and add more value to you and your business. The LDC team has the capacity to support a business with equity of between £2million and £100million.

  123. Your proposed expansion of “BBC” meets with my approval, and I shall silent mouth it to myself from now one. As it may be a trifle unpublishable, may I suggest the more acceptable “Beyond belief Femal Genitalia”? (Although the BBC has shown itself unafraid of “vagina” recently).

  124. Mary at 21 Nov, 2012 – 9:20 pm, your link about Auckland was heartening enough in these times of disheartening news to prompt a short blog post out of me. Thanks.

  125. I have been told.

    The Israelies have been under attack for ages.

    They have a right to the land which belongs to the Jewish people.

    Anything else is anti-semitic.

    This problem is not going to be solved easily.

    The Palestinian people should consider there relocation options, should move foreward.

    A one state Israel and a happy re-homed Palestine?

  126. The problem with the BBC is we are forced to pay the gross salaries and absurd pension deals and job for life unreality they enjoy , whilst they serve up this candy floss, and the staff and the slebs on the payroll by devious means – limited companies to receive their salaries and fees – and other elaborate scams pay little or nothing in tax. In most cases with pre-payment cards and so on most people are paying now in advance for next years TV licenses ending in 2014. The technology exists to limit their output to just those daft enough and willing to pay for it, a simple inexpensive in-line box about the size of ten cigs is about all that would be required. It is mostly older people too, who have paid like complete mugs for all of their adult lives who are the most robbed and justly aggrieved; exemption at age 75 if they make such old bones hardly compensates. The constant repeats too rack up re-run payments for the same old faces or their brood and heirs, laughing all the way to the bank, who entered the ‘profession’ not through talent but through privilege and nepotism and who’ve done nothing useful, productive or creative since Worker’s Playtime. In areas where analogue broadcasting was switched off, many have nothing with any digital tuner, can receive only static but still set aside part of a meagre pension for a TV Licence out of fear and shame. They pay for services such as high-definition, internet streaming and the foreign language services and the rest of the bloated monster the BBC has become, of which they cannot conceive, never mind receive.

    Some very uncivil disobedience is called for and the BBC cut down to size. Let Israel pay for it of recycled American’s tax dollar’s and the Palestinian’s stolen wealth as it serves only as a propaganda arm of the fascistic IDF, he who calls the tune should pay the piper.

  127. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    22 Nov, 2012 - 7:36 pm

    Non-violent protesters in the West Bank…Wo ist der Outrage?

    http://www.vice.com/en_us/read/what-about-the-west-bank

    “A pretty influential guy was killed at that protest – what happened to him?
    A local man called Rushdie Tamimi was shot several times. He kept getting up and falling back down while they shot him with live bullets. The Israeli Forces prevented medics from getting to him and treating him for a long time and he ended up dying on Tuesday from a bullet wound to his stomach.

    Jesus. Can you tell me a bit about the Tamimi family and why they’re so important?
    Nabi Saleh is a small but active village and everyone there is from the Tamimi family in one way or another. The family are particularly active in non-violent struggle against the Israeli forces and, last year, Mustafa Tamimi was killed by the direct hit of a gas canister, so they’ve suffered a lot but they carry on. They’re really inspiring.”

  128. Well said Crytonym.

    ~~~~~

    Has Mursi been given his orders by Shillary?

    Egypt’s President Mursi assumes sweeping powers

    President Mursi has ordered the retrial of officers accused of attacking protesters under Hosni Mubarak

    Egypt’s President Mohammed Mursi has issued a declaration banning challenges to his decrees, laws and decisions.

    The declaration also says no court can dissolve the constituent assembly, which is drawing up a new constitution.

    President Mursi also sacked the chief prosecutor and ordered the retrial of people accused of attacking protesters when ex-President Mubarak held office.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20451208#

  129. straw44berry

    22 Nov, 2012 - 7:51 pm

    ATTN MODS

    Are you aware the ‘Not Forgetting the Al-Hillis’ blog is showing the following (and has been for 3 hours)

    8,222 Comments
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  130. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    22 Nov, 2012 - 8:27 pm

    Will it ever be time…..?

    AMY GOODMAN: “Do not undercut the president.”

    TAVIS SMILEY: Well, they—that’s the same thing we heard the first term. And we see where we are now. And we—part of the reason why the race was as close as it was, getting down to the wire, is because too often in the first term, the president compromised, capitulated, caved, and oftentimes negotiate against himself with Republicans. And so, I hope that we’ve learned a lesson—that he’s learned a lesson, the White House has learned a lesson, from the first administration, that sometimes you’ve got to draw a line in the sand. And as my grandfather said, there’s some fights that ain’t worth fighting even if you win, but there are other fights you have to fight even if you lose. So I would love this notion of bipartisanship to come to the fore in Washington, but if that doesn’t happen, the president has to stand on a—on some immutable principles and try to advance the conversation.

    AMY GOODMAN: Maybe it’s the bipartisan consensus that’s the problem in Washington, not the gridlock, right? I mean, the bipartisan consensus—

    CORNEL WEST: That’s right.

    AMY GOODMAN: —you see reflected in the presidential debates. There’s no debate over drones.

    CORNEL WEST: That’s right.

    AMY GOODMAN: There’s no discussion of poverty, absolutely no mention of climate change. And yet, does this represent the majority of people in this country? Hardly, I think this election shows.

    CORNEL WEST: Not at all. Not at all
    http://www.democracynow.org/bl…..el_west_on
    Reply

  131. Josh Ibrahim

    22 Nov, 2012 - 8:53 pm

    The best is that when I was in Georgia over the summer, I was talking to an American (says it all on this particular issue) who felt the beeb was much too pro-Palestine. I made sure to remind him of Tony Benn’s outburst in regard to the banning of a charity ad for Palestinians…

  132. @ Jon @ Mod
    Yeah, please fix trouble quick – or quickly for youse dat still speaks HRH ERII’s English. Otherwise us from ovah der will comment in youse udder stories over heah, and make mixed up hash uv dem wit refs to French rappers Ginolin & Jérémie Louis-Sidney (killed right dead by anti-terrorist police) and Gens. P. & A. der gfs Mrs. B and K. an’ Dodi & his gf Princess D. plus O.J. Simpson. :) :)

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-42/#comments

    “straw44berry
    22 Nov, 2012 – 7:51 pm
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    Are you aware the ‘Not Forgetting the Al-Hillis’ blog is showing the following (and has been for 3 hours)
    8,222 Comments
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  133. BEYOND BELIEF CORPORATION…

    BEYOND BELIEF CHRONICLE:

    22 November – Jewish Chronicle:

    Gilad Shalit receives a hero’s welcome from the UK
    The visit came just days after the Israeli strike which killed Hamas
    military leader Ahmed Jabari, who masterminded Mr Shalit’s capture in June
    2006.
    Mr Shalit, 26, travelled to London to take part in a conference organised by
    B’nai B’rith UK. On Friday, Mr Shalit met members of the community,
    including London cabbies who had publicised his plight by putting his image
    on their taxis.
    Lord Sacks said: “Every week for five-and-a-half years we prayed every
    Shabbat for Gilad, and we have been blessed to see you again.”
    Mr Taub presented Mr Shalit with traditional British gifts including a box
    of tea and an umbrella …
    He also went to the Foreign Office to meet Middle East Minister Alistair
    Burt, who told him of the efforts made in Parliament to secure his release.
    Mr Shalit also attended last weekend’s north London derby between Arsenal
    and Tottenham.
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/91888/gilad-shalit-receives-a-hero%E2%80%99s-welcome-uk

  134. for those still believing the elite’s manmade global warming scam, be very careful what u wish for…it’s not hidden…and it’s called One World Government, facilitated by the gangsters & criminals across the political spectrum who are in power today:

    21 November – Yale: UN Climate Chief: Talks Are Making Slow, Steady Progress
    Interview with Christiana Figueres, head of the United Nations climate organization, (UNFCCC):
    Figueres: It is the most inspiring job in the world because what we are doing here is we are inspiring government, private sector, and civil society to [make] the biggest transformation that they have ever undertaken. The Industrial Revolution was also a transformation, but it wasn’t a guided transformation from a centralized policy perspective. This is a centralized transformation that is taking place because governments have decided that they need to listen to science. So it’s a very, very different transformation and one that is going to make the life of everyone on the planet very different.
    http://e360.yale.edu/feature/un_climate_chief_christiana_figueres_talks_making_progress_on_eve_of_doha/2593/#.UK05kQ6CU1g.twitter

    what was most distressing during the attack on gaza, was checking the “progressive” democrat websites in the US, only to find them begging for the implementation of the BigBanks/BigInsurance/BigOil/BigEnergy wet dream of trading carbon dioxide, (our very breath), impoverishing everyone via “Contraction & Convergence”, whilst ignoring, or virtually ignoring, the plight of gazans. indeed, some were actually shilling for israel, no less than the BBC and the rest of the MSM.

  135. PROPAGANDA TOOL(S) (*)

    @ Phil – Exactly. That’s it!

    John Pilger provides the context in which it is possible to see the BBC’s role clearly.

    – “As Gaza is savaged again, understanding the BBC’s historical role is vital” – 22nd November, 2012 – John Pilger –

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/as-gaza-is-savaged-again-understanding-the-bbc-s-historical-role-is-vital

    UK (&US) MUPPET STREAM MEDIA

    (And not by accident! ; ) Ed. )

    It is the same context in which Noam Chomsky’s remark can be understood clearly. “I said this much (holds hands a foot apart) on Irish TV – ok, discussion over, everyone understands what I’m talking about. Try to say it on BBC you have to go on for like about an hour. The Irish Sea is a Chasm (of understanding) and it just depends who has been holding the whip for eight hundred years and who has been under it for eight hundred years.” –

    Noam Chomsky on why some countries, and some groups, ‘get it’ and others have a much harder time.

    – Noam Chomsky – ‘Rebel Without a Pause’ – 911 – @ 14.07

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0omIzBKGAI#t=14m00s

    ADAM CURTIS IS A PROPAGANDA TOOL ! (*)

    (Of the “THANK YOU FOR SHILLING, NOW F___ OFF!” DEPARTMENT, Muppet Stream Media (and not by accident!?), ER, BBC ? Ed.)

    Adam Curtis works for the BBC. If they can’t get you to believe their propaganda, they will at least get you to waste your time attempting to decode their ‘baffle you with bull$hit’ ploy.

    Which is where Mr. Curtis comes in.

    THE BIG PICTURE

    – The obvious – the USUK Empire are fascists using the methods of the Nazis – ‘man’ –

    – The BBC Adam Curtis ‘Baffle them with Bull$hit’ version – ER, ‘woman’ – (no sexism intended). (Much!? Ed.)

    http://paddyk.wordpress.com/2007/03/20/understanding-women/

    Or possibly not. ; )

    But judge for yourself! ; ) –

    – Peter Cook – ‘Biased Judge’ – Youtube –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyos-M48B8U

    SHIRLEY !

    “Surely you can’t be serious?” you say? You _were_ awake for the last ten years we hope. In which case your mind had better be on ‘Permanent Suspicion Of Everybody. Except Yourself. And Sometimes You Wonder About Yourself’. –

    “I am serious and don’t call me Shirley.” – Airplane –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo7qoonzTCE#t=00m08s

    (*) Surely you don’t mean he’s a Biggus Dickus? Just like this one –

    – Biggus Dickus of Wome on the Potomac. Richard Cheney for it is he!

    UP THE USUK NEO-CON NAZI NONCE EMPIRE !

    Just say “Up yours” to USUK Empire Neo-Con Nazi mass psychosis! –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYoeqUs2KI#t=00m52s

    USUK Empire Neo-Con Nazism made mainstream by ‘Biggus Dickus,’ (of Wome on the Potomac) — Big Oil tool and US Torture promoter – brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Aden, Syria, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Poland, Lithuania and many, many more —

    – “You lucky bastard” – Monty Python – Life of Brian –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI#t=00m34s

    ‘Biggus Dickus’ –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc

    ‘Welease Woger’ and ‘He Wanks as high as any in Wome’. A hidden ‘Biggus Dickus’ Cheney reference? –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX0XDHF3M60

  136. Bad timing for Shalit’s visit Oddie. It is rather overshadowed by the Israeli climbdown and retreat.

    His bessy mates in the IDF are really cross that they could not carry out mass slaughter in Gaza, again.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/soldiers-spell-out-critique-of-netanyahu-as-a-loser-for-not-using-ground-forces-in-gaza/

  137. Muppet Stream Media – BBC – ‘Baffle them with Bull$hit’ (*)

    – “He’s behind you. How Colonel Gaddafi and the western establishment created a pantomime world.” 25th October, 2012 – ICH –

    – Which leaves out … everything? … the USUK Empire … USUK fascism … USUK use of the methods of the Nazis. … Every. Thing! No change there, then! –

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32851.htm

    (*) ‘Baffle them with Bull$hit _unts’ (BBC? Ed.)

  138. Good link Phil – ” Understanding the BBC as a pre-eminent state propagandist and censor by omission – more often than not in tune with its right-wing enemies – is on no public agenda and it ought to be.” – John Pilger

    John Goss – Timed to public consciousness a petition in protest at the continued unbalanced and inconsistent approach the BBC has taken on political and current affairs issues, in the light of the attempted incitement to genocide by Israel on the civilians of Gaza, may well accomplish the critical 100,000 signatures.

    At least 139 Gazans, including women and children, have been killed and some 1,200 injured in more than 1,450 Israeli attacks on the besieged Palestinian territory since November 14.

    Gaza has been blockaded since 2007, a situation that has caused a decline in the standard of living, unrelenting poverty, and unprecedented levels of unemployment among the population of about 1.7 million Palestinians.

    The fact of the matter is that Israel kills children and then bombs the funerals where people are mourning the death of those children.

    This is collective punishment of the people of Gaza for exercising their absolutely legitimate right to resist occupation, which is guaranteed under international law.

    And they have the right to resist genocide just as the people in the Warsaw ghetto had the right to resist genocide.

    The Hamas rocket fire that supposedly provided the excuse for this round of accelerated genocide was the equivalent of some Chinese made rockets used at County bonfire night displays. These fireworks are nothing compared to the kind of white phosphorous, the huge bombs, the massive ammunitions that are being used against civilians intentionally in Gaza and there is absolutely no argument that this is being done to try to stop rocket fire.

  139. @Ex Pat
    “Which leaves out … everything?”

    I used to love Curtis’ films but less so now. I cannot disagree with what (I think) you say.

    “USUK use of the methods of the Nazis”

    And vice versa. Goebbels studied US propaganda and weren’t the british first with concentration camps?

  140. _WE_ ARE THE NEW NAZIS

    USUK EMPIRE – FASCISTS USING THE METHODS OF THE NAZIS

    Why did _we_ allow this to be done in our name?

    ARDEBIL

    Washed up on the internet shore – Iran Savak murder –

    http://colindavies.net/Ardebil.htm

    USUK TORTURE

    Which lead to some sober thinking, from Robert Fisk. Why is torture a ‘crime against humanity?’ Let’s start with the US bacon slicer.

    Robert Fisk memorably put his readers off their breakfasts by describing the torture devices that the US apparently gave the Iranians.

    “Weeks later, in Evin prison, he discoursed again on the finer details of stoning to death. I still have the cassette of our conversation, his lips smacking audibly on a tub of vanilla ice cream as he spoke. From where did this brutality come? One of the regime’s new officials said the Shah’s Savak intelligence men were Nazi-type criminals. And how could I argue with this when reporters such as Derek Ive of the AP had managed to look inside a Savak agent’s house just before the revolution was successful? “There was a fishpond outside,” he told me. “There were vases of flowers in the front hall. But downstairs there were cells. In each of them was a steel bed with straps and beneath it two domestic cookers. There were lowering devices on the bedframes so the people strapped to them could be brought down on the flames. In another cell, I found a machine with a contraption which held a human arm beneath a knife and next to it was a metal sheath into which a human hand could be fitted. At one end was a bacon slicer. They had been shaving off hands.”

    “Derek Ive found a pile of human arms in a corner and, in a further cell, he discovered pieces of a corpse floating in inches of what appeared to be acid. Amid such savagery was the Iranian revolution born.”

    – ‘Robert Fisk: I saw a mesmeric Islamic uprising turn to savagery,’ by Robert Fisk – February 10, 2009 – The Independent –

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-i-saw-a-mesmeric-islamic-uprising-turn-to-savagery-1605430.html

    Now behind a paywall for the non-UK world but the Wayback machine is your friend. – via Wayback –

    http://tinyurl.com/7h8sq64

    Lovely stuff. The Nazis would have been proud. In fact, Klaus Barbie — working for US in S. America probably _was_ proud!

    THEN – WW2

    The generals of the US Empire war machine whine about the exposure of their perfidy, while world public opinion condemns the generals. As in WW2, so today. –

    “Their lack of character resembled the squashiness of a molusc inside a panzer,” as CG Jung said of the German generals of WW2.

    What was done – World War 2 –

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Natzweiler/SOEagents.html

    Who and How? – Klaus Barbie –

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Barbie.html

    Protected By and Escape Organized By – Guess Who – – US (un)intelligence. – To S. America, there to torture and murder for US –

    http://www.archives.gov/iwg/research-papers/barbie-irr-file.html

    The Queen of F Section and her search for the missing agents of SOE. –

    http://web.archive.org/web/20071024113944/http://www.64-baker-street.org/also/also_vera_atkins_her_story.html

    AND NOW

    USUK EMPIRE – GENOCIDE, TORTURE

    John Pilger – Torture is _so_ American — School of the Americas – Archbishop Romero – War on Democracy –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5L1VdlktOw#t=00m40s

    Witness to summary executions by US forces in Panama – Tell US that this didn’t happen, is not happening today, in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. Because reports say that is _exactly_ what is happening. – The Panama Deception. – @ 45.08

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfWz20nDAyI#t=42m27s

    Continued

  141. _WE_ ARE THE NEW NAZIS – 2

    USUK EMPIRE – GENOCIDE , TORTURE

    John Pilger – Pinochet’s coup – concentration camp – torture – The Nixon / Kissinger / Rockefeller / Pinochet Chilean coup of September 11th 1973 – 30,000 murdered, 100,000 tortured – War on Democracy –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRn7VaOyi8Q#t=01m16s

    Gee, thanks New World Order. Unless _your_ relatives were murdered, death-squadded, tortured or ‘disappeared.’ –

    Afghanistan, Iraq and Gaza. – The Gaza Genocide –

    http://www.vtjp.org/background/imagesgaza.php

    The Iranian diplomat’s feet – nine holes drilled in his feet, by US –

    http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=5ea39030f5bd82408ce7

    Dilawar – Tortured to death – Afghanistan –

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_(human_rights_victim)

    27,000 muslims ‘disappeared’ by US – Clive Stafford Smith, Democracy Now – Select Real Video stream option. (Main video corrupted. What a surprise. Not!) –

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/19/clive_stafford_smith

    CIA death squads “killing with impunity” in Afghanistan, by Joe Kay – 19 May 2008 –

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/may2008/afgh-m19.shtml

    Witness to summary executions by US forces in Panama – Tell US that this didn’t happen, is not happening today in Iraq, Afghanistan and the recent Swat valley in Pakistan. Because reports say that that was _exactly_ what happened. – The Panama Deception. –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88X_jvPBR5A#t=05m42s

    Craig Murray not only reported on the US and UK rendition of prisoners for torture to Uzbekistan, but very recently he added the comment that _none_ of those rendered prisoners have ever been seen again. So they were either tortured to death. Or executed afterwards.

    Lovely! So not only were the US and UK rendering prisoners to be tortured. They were also rendering them for extermination. A fact that has apparently gathered exactly zero notice in the MSM, or anywhere else.

    USUK Nacht und Nebel.

    – Bliar, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Bush and Cheney – ‘Boiling for Britain / US’ – Muzafar Avazov –

    http://jamblichus.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/boileddude.jpg

    Afghanistan in one sentence, from Craig Murray – UK ambassador to Uzbekistan – “There are so many lies about Afghanistan; it’s about money; it’s about oil; it’s about drugs; it’s about the abuse of human rights; it’s about degradation; it’s about all of us paying through our taxes for wars that benefit a tiny clique.” – Craig Murray – UK/USA made use of Uzbek torture Pt2 –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MQoG5wfx5g#t=09m56s

    “The Neocons, ER, Heydrich, were careerists who instituted the industrial killing of millions in an effort to please Cheney (Hitler) and win promotion.” “You cannot just order the killing of hundreds of thousands of people. No normal person would do such a thing.” Paraphrased. The following is the neutered replacement version that completely alters the damning commentary of the first ‘Memory Holed’ version! – Now deleted entirely, naturally. –

    – US Bathwater / Neocon Nazis – just like this lovely fellow? – WW2 – Heydrich –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF1NXE55LBE#t=01m20s

    Poor US Empire (Neo-Con?) Nazis / ‘Our Tony’ Bliar, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Bush, Cheney — Terrified of their date with destiny — A long drop on a short rope. – Nuremberg Mk II. –

    Mk I for comparison – Nuremberg Executions of N_zi Leaders for ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ and ‘Crimes Against the Laws of War.’ – Original –

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95d_1206462963

    MORE – SHIRLEY ! , ER JOHNNY … – Airplane –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFHjdYoNb_Y

  142. Bibi’s Big Collaborator

    Bibi See

    Bee boppa loopah

  143. Ex Pat- your “Analysis of the Investigative Records Repository (IRR) File of Klaus Barbie” link -thank-you- is one of just a few reasons why a highly secretive, top-flight and selected group of Israeli intelligence architects, conceived and masterminded an attack on the World Trade Center.

  144. More useless grunts:

    “Backbench MPs have gone on more than £1.5m?? of trips with all expenses paid by foreign governments, pressure groups and companies in little over two years, The Independent can reveal. Several MPs have spent months out of the country on foreign trips, sometimes while Parliament is sitting, while many of those funding the visits have a vested interest in lobbying MPs.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/all-expenses-paid-the-full-scale-of-mps-lavish-globetrotting-revealed-8344630.html

  145. I think people are being a little harsh with Mark Regev. He’s the leading stand up comedian for Israel, totally straight faced, delivers a hilarious performance. You just have to appreciate his nuanced style and ability to slip sarcasm and satire in right under the radar. Humour drier than a dead dingo’s donger. I’ve seen him at the Melbourne comedy festival – great show.

  146. I noticed, Jemand, Regev was visibly shaken delivering a reply to criticism on RT. Obviously his nuanced style and ability supports his job is to obfuscate public perception of Israel’s genocidal acts.

    Denying that Israel is committing war crimes and frequently in breach of International law is not a job for anyone without the thick skin of a komodo. The ability to portray Palestinian civilians and children as “terrorists”, responsible for their own deaths on a regular basis, suggests to me that he might have been re-programmed to over-ride the normal human emotions of horror, sadness and guilt.

  147. To understand the nuances of the Zionist mind one has to go there, that is one has to be in the black arena of terrorist mentality.

    In this black psyche lurks terrorist means and black-mail is one of those means. Israel holds America to ransom in a complexity of justification and vindication for American conduct pre and post war; this comparable with gangland family feuds to follow my reasoning.

    $3 billion and much more of America’s ‘aid’ is also essential to Israel’s survival. Money and terror work better together.

    This is just a glimpse of that peculiarly perverse and treacherous Israel-America hookup.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hKLUpLNLD0

  148. US EMPIRE (NEO-CON?) NAZI ‘MASS PSYCHOSIS’

    – US PEOPLE GOING THE WAY OF THE GERMANS IN 1933 ?

    APPARENTLY _NOT_ !!!

    The Rethuglican loonies are on their own! ; )

    “JUNG SPEAKING”

    No one who is honest can say that the US Empire is evil without acknowledging their own part in that evil. Just as CG Jung said about the Germans after World War 2.

    Why did WE tolerate this? Why did WE allow this to be done in our name? Why did WE avert our eyes from rendition, torture and murder?

    C. G. Jung knew why.

    For ‘German,’ read ‘American’ and it could have been written yesterday.

    Q. Do you not think that the end of the war will bring about great changes in the psyche of the Europeans, particularly in the Germans, who are now awakening as though from a long and terrible dream?

    A. Indeed I do. As to the Germans, we have a psychic problem ahead of us the magnitude of which cannot yet be foreseen, though its outlines can already be discerned in the cases I am treating. For the psychologist one thing is clear, and that is that he ought not to make the popular sentimental distinction between Nazis and opponents of the regime. Two cases I am now treating are both outspoken anti-Nazis, and yet their dreams show that behind all the decency the most pronounced Nazi psychology is still alive with all its violence and savagery. When Field Marshal von Kuchler, questioned by a Swiss reporter about the German atrocities in Poland, exclaimed indignantly: “Excuse me, that wasn’t the Wehrmacht, it was the Party!” this proved that a division into decent and indecent Germans is thoroughly naive. All of them, whether consciously or unconsciously, actively or passively, have their share in the horrors; they knew nothing of what was going on and yet they did know, as though party to a secret contrat genial. For the psychologist, the question of collective guilt, which worries politicians so much and will go on worrying them, is a fact, and it will be one of the most important tasks of therapy to get the Germans to admit this guilt. Even now I am receiving many applications from Germans who want to be treated by me. If they come from those “decent Germans” who want to foist the guilt onto a couple of men in the Gestapo, I regard the case as hopeless. I shall have no alternative but to answer the applications with a questionnaire asking certain crucial questions, like “What do you think about Buchenwald?” Only when a patient sees and admits his own responsibility can individual treatment be considered.

    … That immaturity of the personality also displayed itself in a terrifying way in the German General Staff, whose lack of character resembled the squashiness of a molusc inside a panzer.

    … The Germans today are like a drunken man who wakes up the next morning with a hangover. They don’t know what they’ve done and don’t want to know. The only feeling is one of boundless misery. They will make convulsive efforts to rehabilitate themselves in face of the accusations and hatred of the surrounding world, but that is not the right way. The only redemption lies, as I have already indicated, in a complete admission of guilt. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! Out of honest contrition for sin comes divine grace. That is not only a religious but also a psychological truth. The American treatment of conducting the civilian population through the concentration camps and letting them see all the abominations committed there is therefore quite right. Only, the object lesson should not be driven home with moral instruction; repentance must come from inside the Germans themselves. …

    – from C. G. Jung, Jung Speaking. p. 149 – 155.

    Continued

  149. Big. Bad. Controlled.

  150. US EMPIRE (NEO-CON?) NAZI ‘MASS PSYCHOSIS’ – 2

    “JUNG SPEAKING”

    – No one who is honest can say that the US Empire is evil without acknowledging their own part in that evil. –

    Q. Then we must anxiously wait and see which way the demons go next?

    A. I have already suggested that the only salvation lies in the piecemeal work of educating the individual. That is not as hopeless as it may appear. The power of the demons is immense, and the most modern media of mass suggestion –press, radio, film, etc — are at their service. But Christianity too, was able to hold its own against an overwhelming adversary not by propaganda and mass conversions — that came later and was of little value — but by persuasion from man to man. And that is the way we also must go if we wish to conquer the demons.

    I don’t envy you your task in writing about these things. I hope that you will succeed in presenting my ideas in such a way that people won’t find them too strange. Unfortunately it is my fate that other people, especially those who are themselves possessed by demons, think me mad because I believe in these powers. But that is their affair; I know they exist. There are demons all right, as sure as there is a Buchenwald. – Ibid, p154

    And as sure as there is an Abu Ghraib, a Bagram and the USS Auschwitz prison ship hulks off Diego Garcia.

    Some extracts from The Post-War Psychic Problems of the Germans. 1945. C. G. Jung, Jung Speaking. p. 149 – 155.

    To read the essay, look for ‘suggestibility’ on pages 149 – 154 at Amazon.com –

    http://www.amazon.com/C-G-Jung-Speaking-C-G/dp/0691018715

    The US’s murderousness lends tremendous weight to the psychological theory of enantiodrama — we _do_ risk most becoming that which we attack most violently; because we project onto others our own shadow – our own evil. C. G. Jung had it right.

    THE CURE

    Laurens van der Post – “We must demand psychological illumination from our politicians. Otherwise they may spar with their own shadows, projected on ‘the enemy’.

    Marie Louise von Franz – “Withdrawing our shadows from projection.” – C.G. Jung – Matter of Heart – @ 1:30:45 –

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3225765193573569458

    UP THE USUK NEO-CON NAZI NONCE EMPIRE !

    Just say “Up yours” to USUK Empire Neo-Con Nazi mass psychosis! –

    USUK Empire Neo-Con Nazism made mainstream by ‘Biggus Dickus,’ (of Wome on the Potomac) — Big Oil tool and US Torture promoter – brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Aden, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Poland, Lithuania and many, many more –

    ‘Welease Woger’ and ‘He Wanks as high as any in Wome’. A hidden ‘Biggus Dickus’ Cheney reference? –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX0XDHF3M60

  151. @ All,

    And the truth shall set ye free:-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufLAitMq3zI

  152. It’s worse than vomit. We thought the MPs were greedy but they have nothing on these BBC troughers.

    A Ms Karin Patel the finance director and Anthony Fry a trustee, attempted to answer the Public Affairs Committee yesterday. Their answers were lame and evasive under the onslaught of the commmittee members’ questions. It was finally admitted by Ms Patel (after repeated questions) that 574 ‘managers’ have private health provision which is estimated to cost about £2m. Perhaps that accounts for the lack of decent coverage by the BBC on the effect of the Health and Social Care Bill 2012 on OUR NHS. They will not have to worry when the NHS goes down.

    Hall, the new DG, on £450k pa, that is when we starts in March, is already receiving £82k pa pension for his previous BBC employment.

    Caroline Thomson, Thompson’s stooge in the Gaza DEC appeal and Seven Children scandal, went off with £670,000 to compensate the little dear when she left because she did not get the DG job. It is all totalling appalling. What are we going to do about it? A mass withdrawal of our licence fees I suggest. They can take us all to court.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236793/Parade-BBC-chiefs-hit-pay-jackpot-MPs-fury-executive-gets-670-000–wanted-quit.html

    Nothing in the BBC news on TV or the radio apart from a Yesterday in Parliament segment on Radio 4 Today after 6am this morning which very few people probably heard.

  153. doug scorgie

    23 Nov, 2012 - 8:33 am

    Anthony William Hall, Baron Hall of Birkenhead is to become the new Director General of the BBC. Tony is a graduate of Oxford University (of course) and has had many years of experience working in BBC news management (manipulation). His appointment has been approved by Her Majesty Elisabeth II.
    Not much chance of change to the BBC’s “balanced” reporting then.

  154. Mary: You missed Rabbi Sacks oleaginising about inter-faith conflict on Today. Hilarious.

    http://www.chiefrabbi.org/2012/11/23/thought-for-the-day-we-need-side-by-side-dialogue-not-just-face-to-face/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=thought-for-the-day-we-need-side-by-side-dialogue-not-just-face-to-face#.UK822PnPrbc

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again –
    In this the poor old chap resembles
    Prosperous idealists
    Who talk as if men reached for concord
    With their clenched or grasping fists,
    .

    (William Plomer – A Ticket for the Reading Room)

    It’s not about religion, Lionel. It’s about lebensraum and you know it….

  155. doug scorgie

    23 Nov, 2012 - 9:01 am

    BBC Trustees are appointed by the Queen on advice from DCMS (Department for Culture, Media and Sport) ministers through the Prime Minister. In other words they are selected by the Prime Minister.

    When new Trustees are needed the posts are publically advertised. So anyone can apply then?

    From the list of “qualities” required of a trustee is this one: The ability to work effectively at senior board level or its equivalent in the public, private or voluntary sector.

    The trustee posts then are reserved for those at senior board level that get the nod from the Prime Minister.
    So, no chance of Joe Bloggs, a bus driver from Croydon who has an Open University degree in Media Studies getting in then.
    Jobs for the boys as they say.

  156. When new Trustees are needed the posts are publically advertised. So anyone can apply then?

    Yes. They advertised (in the Guardian)when I was unemployed once. I seriously considered applying and bullshitting my way as far as I could through the selection process. But then I realised that I haven’t been to Oxford, and don’t know any politicians personally, and that would be hard to conceal.

    I think it’s one of those sinecures jobs that you have to advertise, but really you know who’s going to be doing it before the ad goes in the paper, even if the innocent applicants don’t. If you’re on the dole, put it on your applications record for the fortnight…there’s no risk whatever that you will get the job.

  157. And so Gaza sinks back into the mists of non-news. Now that everything is back to “normal”, the BBC can safely ignore it again. Best not to linger on the images of death and mass destruction (funny phrase, that) for too long in case the masses start asking awkward questions that seek to peer beneath the sanitised/airbrushed reportage. 30 dead kids? Forget about it; it’s windy outside.
    Jeremy Bowen on last night’s main news: “The tensions that led to this outbreak of violence still exist”. The word ‘tension’ should in actual fact be replaced with the word ‘Injustice’, and then we might be getting somewhere. I’m sure BICOM are quite content.

  158. “And vice versa. Goebbels studied US propaganda and weren’t the british first with concentration camps?”

    Not the first no, they did use them in the Boar war but there was nothing new about them even then. The Indian reservations in America were effectively concentration camps.

  159. @Jon Mod

    There’s a problem on the al Hilli thread again. More than 8000 comments now. They keep on chirping on and on over there and would like Mark Golding – Children Of Conflict to drop by again sometime.

    Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 75497472 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 147 bytes) in /(path)/wp-includes/wp-db.php on line 898

    Is it worth starting a new thread?

  160. @Mark Golding – Children Of Conflict
    22 Nov, 2012 – 12:57 am

    That Larry Silverstein .. What bloody chutzpah, or should that be cuntsbah!?

  161. Hand on heart I did pay the taxi fare and give a tip!?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be5bJg1t0Qs&feature=share

    Kieron

  162. John Hilley reminds us of his ‘exchange’ with Jon Donnison in 2010. He (Donnison) is a touchy and sarcastic individual.

    http://medialens.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3095

  163. Israel violated the truce by killing a 20 year old man on the Gaza ‘border’ today.

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=541286

    They do this each time with ‘truces’. Perhaps they do not understand the meaning of the word. Pure and simple it is provocation.

  164. IDF said – 1 match
    Israel said – 1 match
    Militant – 2 matches

    And so it continues……

    Gaza crisis: Palestinian ‘shot dead near border’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20461914#

    The whole thing is slanted against Palestine even to the extent of suggesting that the bus bomber was recruited by ‘Hamas and Islamic Jihad’.

    Donnison confirms within that the killing of Palestinians on the ‘border’ is not much more than a turkey shoot. Revolting.

  165. The soapy and syrupy Lord Sacks’ TfTD is here. Yet another hypocritical homily from him. Just listen to the tripe in the light of this week’s atrocities. He must have produced hundreds of these since he assumed his position. It used to be Rabbi Blue – ‘Good morning John’, ‘Good morning Jim’. ‘Good morning Sarah’. Bugger off.

    Today it’s all about interfaith.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nxzc8 1hr 46mins in

  166. Mary: See Komodo: 8.48 am

    No need to publicise the two-faced shill unduly….

    http://www.chiefrabbi.org/2012/11/15/statement-on-the-situation-in-israel/#.UK9rhfnPrbc

    Oh, no.

  167. He (Donnison) is a touchy and sarcastic individual.

    And what would a week under fire in Gaza (plus the flight back) do for your equanimity and courtesy, Mary? It wouldn’t do much for mine.

  168. Hi, thanks to all who’ve pointed out the bug on the al-Hilli thread. On it.

    Edit: now fixed.

    Phil, thanks for your links. I raised the number of permitted links to quite a large number, now that the Captcha device is working happily.

  169. MSNBC reports 1 killed ten injured while trying to reach their own land on the Palestinian side This little detail is missing from other mainstream reports…

    http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/49938269/#49938269

  170. This photo tweeted by Harry Fear says it all.

    Harry Fear ‏@harryfear

    Photo: 20yo Anwar Qudai, killed today in Gaza by Israeli border forces. Shot in the mouth. No accident! #StopIsrael

    https://twitter.com/harryfear/status/271945333762838528/photo/1

  171. O/T

    Anonymous supporters of Julian Assange have apparently been hacking into hospital records in Sweden, though they seem not to have targeted the ones which could reveal new information in the case:

    http://www.thelocal.se/44604/20121123/

    Fuller explanation of significance over on the “Why I’m convinced Anna Ardin is a Liar” thread, for those who are interested.

  172. Bibi’s getting adverse poll results due to his key demographic disapproving the ceasefire. So I guess the IDF is under orders not to provoke a restart of hostilities. You know, like it’s under orders to avoid civilian casualties.

    If I hadn’t seen the same scenario three times already, I wouldn’t believe it.

  173. For God’s sake Komodo, whose bloody ‘fire’ was it? We didn’t ask him (Donnison) to be there. It is his choice. He could be polite as he is a public servant after all.

  174. We didn’t ask him (Donnison) to be there….

    Half the trouble with the coverage of Gaza is that when the shit starts flying reporters are (a) not there but in a Jerusalem hotel and (b) too damn polite.

    Sorry, Mary. He can be as rude to Media Lens (or me, for that matter, not that we are likely to meet) as he likes, as long as he isn’t deferential to Israel.

    I suspect his attitude is perhaps driven by the feeling that if you haven’t been there you’re not qualified to offer an opinion, and that I can understand, if I don’t wholly agree with it. It’s quite common among people who have been in a shooting war, or done other dangerous jobs their commentators generally avoid like the plague. With reason.

    Save your ire for the culprits, eh?

  175. Reporters get snippy with Media Lens I think partly for the reason you say, Komodo – “we were there and you were not”. But also the very existence of ML implies that journalists aren’t doing their jobs properly, which shatters some cosy illusions about being defenders of truth and justice. Readers “talking back” at journalists is also a relatively new phenomenon, and the scribes don’t seem to like it much.

    The kinds of abuse lobbed at ML – from journalists who’ve had a raw nerve tweaked – is often revealing.

  176. Meanwhile in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, the democratic process continues.

    http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/4706-israelis-detain-west-bank-parliamentarians

    So to speak.

  177. I see Donnison is getting flak from both sides, anyway. Harry’s (Zionist) Place, for one, is incensed that he wasn’t embedded at IDF GHQ, while (antizionist) Jews Sans Frontieres is worked up about his not tweeting about the murder of his colleague’s child. Although he did mention this in his report, and he’s not paid to tweet, but to report for the BBC.
    As he said.

  178. Mark Golding in philosophical mode above:
    ‘Yet this fondling of our cognitive map is finally emerging as bankrupt simply because the Internet, that great British HTTP invention called the ‘www’ has already begun to evolve our lives from people like Craig who speak the truth in the face of this collective delusion. We realise to understand something is to be liberated from it.’

    When utilising this internet tool we are not even dipping our toes into the Moscow ice of the political mind, because we know that our toes, and our minds, would be unable to escape from burning up if we tried it. We are in danger of being mere voyeurs into the dangerous real world outside.

    However sometimes we get experiences direct or through sharing them with others, that accidentally/fortuitously chill us a little. The hotter and cosier the partner’s bed, the stronger the chilling effect of the insomniac web brower’s toe.
    Ex Pat is right to remind us of our own personal, psychological participation in the politicians’ frozen waste. It takes one to know one, is the psychological argument that keeps us in our place.

    The problem is that this internet freedom is merely a pornographic occupation. The British Bugger Children is just one of many treats they give to us dogs like a pig’s ear to chew on
    to comfort us for coming from a pathetic domesticated species that needs to be taken on occasional walkies for our own mental and spiritual health. I talk for myself.

  179. Komodo’s 1st para (post of 2.02pm)is spot on; I stand to be corrected, but I got the impression that BBC coverage got slightly better (ie, less biased in favour of Israel) as the war evolved.

    Part of the problem, it seems to me, is the ready availability of Israeli spokesmen and others (eg diplomats) speaking fluent English, French, German and virtually any language you care to name, and the non-availability (for a variety of reasons)of Palestinian same. The PLO diplomats in London are not likely to speak up for Hamas, probably delighted they’re getting a hammering.

  180. sorry, when I wrote “BBc coverage” I was referring to the news broadcasts – can’t speak about the longer analyses or progs like Newsnight and so on.

  181. BBC = BS. Ditto rest of the corporate news media. You have to look on the Web to get anywhere near the truth. And then when you do find it you realise just how filtered and censored is the twaddle we are fed by the likes of BBC News.

    I came across this video clip on Twitter. It shows the bombing in Gaza on the ground as it happened.

    WARNING. VERY graphic footage of badly injured and dead people including children being rescued from rubble and taken to hospital. There are scenes of absolute pandemonium. It shows what really happens in a war zone. Not for the squeamish or anyone easily upset–might be best if they don’t watch it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHYOkCmEjFA

  182. Oh Mary at 12.14 – thanks for the laff in the middle of all this horror – me too. Awful wasn’t it – that oily voice oozing from the airwaves with its little homily ending with a “funny” anecdote intended to give us all food for thought. Enough to make you want to stick his kipper up his khyber.

  183. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    23 Nov, 2012 - 10:29 pm

    This is the tall weeds of compromise and democracy. Coalitions, alliances may form and then, disintegrate, as the normalcy of human nature attempts a beat-back of primordial instincts. I hope it develops with as little outside interference, as possible.

    ““An absolute presidential tyranny,” Amr Hamzawy, a liberal member of the dissolved Parliament and prominent political scientist, wrote in an online commentary. “Egypt is facing a horrifying coup against legitimacy and the rule of law and a complete assassination of the democratic transition.”

    ttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/world/middleeast/egypts-president-morsi-gives-himself-new-powers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  184. Habbakuk, I think you are bang on with that point about fluent English speakers. As our beloved Tesco might say: Every little helps.

  185. TV5 actually has spent the last few days covering the Palestinian side of the ceasefire, however quite biased to filming 10 year old kids waving guns around…

  186. yep – nothing from the BBC on what led to the collapse of the ceasefires in 2008 or 2012 (Israeli pre-emptive ground raids, missile strikes and targeted assassinations by airstrike).

    Nothing on the plan come up with by Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin and Hamas Deputy Foreign Minister Ghazi Hamad to end that cycle through intelligence sharing between Israel and Hamas during ceasefires via Egypt and then giving Hamas 48 hours to prevent each planned attack, giving Hamas more of a chance of enforcing ceasefires on other Palestinian groups.

    http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/ending-israeli-pre-emptive-ground.html

  187. and nothing on how Israeli governments use a refusal to negotiate with Hamas, even indirectly through Fatah and Abbas or Egypt, to continue the Gaza conflict as a distraction from their accelerating land grab in the West Bank

    http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/gaza-conflict-helps-israeli-government.html

  188. Another point of view:

    http://vimeo.com/6977999

  189. Ben
    From the perspective of a British Muslim revert to Islam, I see Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood alias Al CIAda) and Warsi (Thatcherspite waffle-Islam) as partners in political crime, like walkie-talkie.

    Last night I was working in a High Street department store and got accidentally rained on by blue asbestos as part of the right wing agenda of weakening the power of labour, the rights of workers against owners: If you speak out, you will get sacked and the service company you work for will go out of business.

    As a Muslim, I have seen that basic human rights that I took for granted such as privacy in my own home, freedom of religious belief, a dash of self-irony and humour from authority, are not part of the mindset of the Muslims who have arrived in the UK. Is that just the ones who have come here?

    The War on Terror was a tool of oppression, invented by political Muslims and the neo-cons to subjugate the freedom of expression of Muslims in the West, and to earn money through manufacture of weaponry by creating a false target to fire at.

    I am now convinced that this oppression was jointly constructed by the far right wing of the West and political Islam. Morsi and Warsi cradled the concept of a Roman Catholic top-up, head down Islam, where power is delegated to the best collaborators with secular oppression rather than to the finest examples of Islamic knowledge and honour.

    A form of Islam which in my opinion instead of being cradled by the neo-cons, should have been strangled at birth.

  190. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    24 Nov, 2012 - 12:48 am

    Again, sincere apologies….reposted from Correa thread.

    ““According to my non-secular auspices I have undertaken a vow of silence. My Order does allow ‘signs’ which amount to narrative, as though a scribe merely parrots script, as a form of appoved communication. Unfortunately, this vow proscribes direct responses to questions, and i apologize to one and all, for the unintended slight.

    Capiche?”

  191. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    24 Nov, 2012 - 2:57 am

    He pledged he would be the most ‘transparent’ President…

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57553451/military-emails-reveal-details-of-bin-laden-burial/

    He’s ‘classified’ everything because it’s easier to prosecute annoying leaks. I grow more ashamed of him, every day.

  192. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    24 Nov, 2012 - 3:19 am

    I’ve often thought LBJ acted like a guilt-stricken, and tormented soul who somehow became the liberal social engineer JFK was mythologized as. Irony is a lost art.

    http://www.ctka.net/2012/Evaluating_the_Case_against_Lyndon_Johnson.html

  193. Israeli War Crimes: “Surgical Strikes” against Palestinian Children
    The “International Community” Also Lies Buried

    By Felicity Arbuthnot
    Global Research, November 24, 2012

    “Light the fire so I can see my tears
    On the night of the massacre …” (Samih al-Qasim, b: 1939.)

    It was that “pinpoint accuracy”, “surgical strike” stuff again, there were “unavoidable tragic errors”, “mistakes”, “scrupulous efforts made to avoid” etc., blah. And as Britain’s Colonel Richard Kemp declared of the fourteen hundred dead of the Christmas and New year onslaught on Gaza in 2008-2009: “Mistakes are not war crimes.” (i)

    Colonel Kemp, with impeccable ties to British Intelligence Services, spoke to the BBC from Jerusalem in similar sanguine vein on 21st November(ii) of the then latest twenty four hour bombardment of the tiny, walled in Gaza Strip, where over half the population are children. But Colonel Kemp has seen a fair amount of carnage in his time, from Belfast to the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Seemingly after a while the dead and dismembered are just part of the day job.

    The eight day blitz killed one hundred and sixty two Palestinians in what were merciless attacks on families with no where to hide. Nine hundred and ninety nine were injured. Eight hundred and sixty five houses are damaged or destroyed.

    /..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-war-crimes-surgical-strikes-against-palestinian-children/5312787

  194. nothing has changed in Gaza or the West bank, as far as one can see, except that under Bibi, the stakes got higher for Israelis.
    Todays Gaza march, should be walking the other way round, to Westminster, I want these manipulations of society and system stop, the minority coalitions and the beyond belief hunts, sorry rather like this acronym change, should both be giving messages to leave.

    Here in Britain they do this by the ballot box apparently and we are currently fighting to get a real Independent voice heard, opposed to the default Tories who use it as a convenience label to get elected.

    This coming May, don’t know whether anyone listened to R4’s any questions and the idea’s mainstream politicians have on our relationship within Europe, are alarming, a few un-mandated issues and decisions will be discussed. The refusal from our coalition of minority newbie’s to establish a full blown circular resource (waste)economy in favour of expensive PFI, yes you heard that right, DEFRA stamped and certified, expensive and ‘not value for money’ (audit commission) PFI incinerators, jobs burners effectively.

    Whilst other EU countries derive 13% of their raw materials from their ‘resources’ collected, we are burning these opportunities in cutting edge modern technologies. Who has ever heard of ELFM, enhanced land fill mining and recovery systems. We knew all the while that what we discarded will need to be dealt with eventually, so where is the enterprise and British ingenuity? jobs, and expertise? All this lot is good for loosing business, not creating it.

    see you at the march. 11am at the ship and shovell, for the Gaza protest.

  195. It was said on Sky News last night by Anne Diamond that Greg Dyke was a popular DG both with the public and within the corporation. Dyke has a good go at Patten in the DT here.

    The BBC can get out of this hole
    While Tony Hall is the right man to be director-general, Lord Patten must be reined back as chairman of the BBC Trust, says a former BBC boss

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9699031/The-BBC-can-get-out-of-this-hole.html

    [..]

    When I resigned in 2004 over the crisis surrounding the death of Dr David Kelly and the Hutton report, public trust in the BBC didn’t waver, while trust in Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell plummeted. The public believed the BBC over Iraq, not the government, which is just as well given that the evidence that Blair’s government sexed up the case for war is now overwhelming. In the years since, public trust in the BBC has increased even further. But figures show that this trust has now been broken, and the biggest job Tony Hall has is to rebuild it.

    He may also have to address a change made nearly two decades ago when the current affairs and news departments were merged. The events of recent weeks suggest it would be sensible to break them up, so that daily shows like Newsnight don’t get involved in long-term, costly investigations. Old current affairs hands such as myself would welcome that – the victory of 24-hour, rolling news over weekly current affairs right across broadcasting hasn’t necessarily been good for thoughtful investigative programming. At times, it has led to the wrong sort of journalists working on the wrong sort of programmes.’
    [..]

  196. bang on Duncan without a change to the territorial contract and internationally agreed rights, Palestinians in Gaza will continually preserve the hatred of their fathers, by sheer grief and hurt, thats what Israel wants, it never wanted peace, the war on terror is a construct and so is the Palestinian punishment now in its 7th decade. It has got to end,full stop.

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