The Palestinian Genocide Continues

by craig on November 21, 2012 9:13 am in Uncategorized

Strangely, even the sight on television of the body of a small boy, the same age as Cameron, being dug by hand from the bomb rubble, is not what has stayed with me strongest from the latest attack on the Palestinians. Instead, I recall most vividly a radio broadcast on the BBC World Service two days before the attack on Gaza began.

It was a banal, everyday story of Palestinian villagers being evicted from their land in the occupied West Bank, to make way for an Israeli “military zone”. These pastoralists had lost a thousand hectares to the Israelis in the last few years, and now these ancient villages were being finally, forcibly, evacuated in a vicious act of ethnic cleansing. The shepherds claimed that what this was really about, was the precious springs that watered their livestock. Work was already starting to divert their water to nearby, and illegal, burgeoning Israeli settlements.

The BBC World Service TV has this minute, at 9.00am GMT, started its news broadcast as usual from Ashkelon in Israel, highlighting rocket attacks on Israel. There is no mention on the BBC – there has never been any mention on the BBC, or anywhere in the Western mainstream media – that for at least 4,000 years Ashkelon was an Arab town, until in 1948 the entire, Arab population of 12,000 was driven out by armed force, many being massacred. Doubtless some older inhabitants of Gaza are refugees whose home is Ashkelon.

Israel is exercising its right of self-defence in precisely the same sense that Hitler was exercising the right of self-defence in Normandy in 1944 – ie not at all. Why the world puts up with this blatant ethnic cleansing and prolonged, agonizing genocide of the Palestinain people, I have no idea. It is not just about bombs and rockets and deaths now. It is about the shepherds being pushed out of their village in 2012 as part of the same process of the massacre of Ashkelon in 1948, all a process of genocide of the Palestinians in which Obama, Clinton, Cameron and Hague, as two wholw generations of western politicians before them, are actively complicit.

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  1. Goebbels would have been proud at the propaganda being spewed out by our media and politicians in support of the Israeli ’cause’.

  2. “Why the world puts up with this blatant ethnic cleansing and prolonged, agonizing genocide of the Palestinain people, I have no idea.”

    People can only respond to what they see and hear and feel etc. The prime function of MSM is to ensure that the agressor is portrayed as wearily responding to attack, and when this becomes untenable and unbelieveable they retreat to a position where both sides are portrayed as bad as one another. They further ensure that there’s little context upon which to contruct a moral position.

    Propaganda, in short.

    Why media do this is another matter. It would also mean that media are complicit in the slaughter.

    Gilad Atzmon explains all in his recent book “The Wandering Who”.

  3. And who where the last occupiers (or their allies) to give a fuck about the indigenous?
    I reckon it’s Alexander the Great.

  4. Big areas of Haifa and Jaffa were ‘cleared’ by the Zionist terror army too. Much of Tel Aviv stands on such land.

    No person who upholds humanity can support a two-state solution.

    Are you sure you have “no idea” why ‘the world’ puts up with Zionist terror? A culture of vicious racism and the establishment and use of what Jenny Tonge calls “financial grips” have got something to do with it.

    That’s unless someone can come up with some other reason, which I suppose might be easy and ‘natural’ for those who have minds like goldfish and focus minute by minute on who said what on the telly.

    Even in 1948, the leaderships of the US, the UK, and the USSR were utterly acquiescent. It’s often said that this was because they didn’t want to look bad, in view of the mass slaughter that had recently been carried about by German Nazis. This is utter nonsense.

    Many phrases are in widespread use which in the way they are used are lies. For example, ‘settlement’. Why the fuck doesn’t the western media ever call a kibbutz a settlement? Or publish any article calling the kibbutz the racist institution that it is? Or ‘occupied territories’. What about the territories occupied in 1948?

    It is Hamas who speak the language of truth in this connection, referring to the ’48’ OTs and the ’67’ OTs.

  5. Glad you are well again, Mr Murray.

    “there has never been any mention on the BBC, or anywhere in the Western mainstream media – that for at least 4,000 years Ashkelon was an Arab town, until in 1948 the entire, Arab population of 12,000 was driven out by armed force, many being massacred.”

    The truth is not funny even though there is an internet joke that the Israelis are just taking back the land the Palestinians stole from them before they arrived!

  6. ‘they’ being the Israelis of course.

  7. A Casual Observer

    21 Nov, 2012 - 9:58 am

    Last night I switch on BBC iPlayer and promoted at number one to watch is:

    “The dark charisma Adolf Hitler”

    Why is it when Israel begin a fresh bout of ethnic cleansing do the BBC repeatedly ram the Holocaust down our throats? Is this coincidence?

    Maybe next time “The Nazis: A Warning from History” is repeated we could all take note and draw parallels where they are due instead of adopting the narrative of Israeli criticism = Antisemitism.

    What was it that Oscar Wilde once said… “patriotism is the virtue of the vicious”; forever true whichever way you turn it!

    History is full of cruel and tragic ironies but history is also happening now. Fresh documentaries need to be made on how one peoples struggle and persecution has given birth to anothers.

  8. I don’t think it is coincidence. Around the time of the Gaza massacre of 4 years ago, bus shelters in Britain were covered with big posters advertising the film Defiance.

  9. Ban Ki-moon press conference in Ramallah a few minutes ago with Abbas wasn’t even carried live by Al Jazeera. Had to watch it on Press TV. In contrast, all the networks covered his meeting with Nastyahu last night.

  10. Bomb blast on a bus in Tel Aviv just being reported.

  11. Interesting that as soon as Shillary appears on the scene, the truce flies out of the window. Harry Fear, now on RT, said this morning that it was the worse night of the seven day attach so far and that journalists and reporters are being targeted more than before. The truth must not get out, must it Mr Netanyahu?

    This morning, live from Gaza, Donnison was saying the same about last night’s ‘pounding’ (the BBC phrase) by Israel being the worst so far, the sound of a rocket going off was heard in the background. ‘That will be a rocket heading towards Israel’ he says. ‘The sirens there will be going off’. Seamlessly the cameras switched to Ben Brown in Ashkelon where the sirens were indeed going off. ‘I have to go now’ says Brown. ‘It is very dangerous standing here out in the open. I am going to the shelter’, as he hastened away.

    If that wasn’t all planned, I will eat my kippah!

    btw Shillary should be told that a pony tail is not a good look for a woman of her age. The Croydon facelift is the purpose of course. And she is piling on the lbs. What an awful specimen of womanhood.

  12. And the Drop the Dead Donkey award for most obviously staged news report must go to the BBC’s Ben Brown.

    I think the crouching low and looking nervously over the shoulder deserves the award all on it’s own, getting a sound man to run across the corner of the shot was a stroke of genius. That hint of verging on nervous breakdown tremor in the voice must have taken days to perfect.

    The reporters over in Gaza, where the media are being deliberately targeted by Israel, have a lot to learn about the art of bullshitting if they hope to stand a chance in next year’s awards, they just walk around looking casual as if nothing was happening.

  13. What an amazing nerve Abbas has, to meet Netanyahu at this time, when the legitimate Palestinian government, based in the territory undergoing the blitz, is not doing so. But when has he ever been anything other than a quisling?

  14. I do wish they wouldn’t target buses. If there is one place you can be sure to only harm the powerless, it is a bus.

  15. Oops, sorry, I misread your post, Anon. I thought you meant Abbas, not Ban Ki-Moon.

  16. BBC propaganda management.

    A whole page ostensibly about a footballer, but actually about rockets from Gaza.

    A bomb has just exploded in a bus in Tel Aviv, injuring 10 people. Micky Rosenfeld comes on to the BBC to report. He is from the Israeli police force and is used by the Israeli Ministry of Information to report on such events just as Ms Leibovich reports in to the media here on military ops.

    Timing of this? False flag likely??

    Death toll in Gaza – now 138 Injured – unknown


    Avital Leibovich ‏@AvitalLeibovich

    A bus explodes under my Tel Aviv office. Possibly due to a bomb or suicide bomber. Hearing the sirens of the ambulances.

    Explodes right under the IDF office. Hmm. Initial pictures of bus don’t seem to show much damage – just a lot of smoke.

  18. How do you have en explosion on a bus where all the windows remain intact? Or at least that’s what it looks like from initial pictures.

  19. The bleeding obvious is again offered to William. Maybe he’ll stop the self-righteous bellowing long enough to read it, but there is little hope of that…

    Underlying this confrontation, of course, is the clear evidence that this Israeli government has no intention of negotiating peace along the internationally accepted lines. Not only has it refused in principle to cease settlement expansion, but it has undertaken several specific actions that are clear markers of its intentions to keep large parts of the West Bank and East Jerusalem., all of which are known to your staff in the FCO. The most directly relevant is its refusal to submit negotiating proposals to the Quartet a year ago. It continues to maintain its siege of Gaza which imprisons the population and prevents all economic development, creating a pressure cooker environment which is ideal for recruitment to the militant factions.

    None of this has been lost on Hamas or the other Palestinian groups. It is not surprising that they resort to mounting attacks as part of resisting Israeli expansionism, and that leads to Israeli repression, which leads to the cycle of violence. The time has surely come to stop blaming Hamas and to place the responsibility squarely on Israeli expansionism where it belongs. Until Israel is held to account for its actions, it is hard to see how the cycle of violence will end.

    (my emphasis -K)

  20. Ok, See some damage now. Being reported that explosion may have been outside bus.

  21. Looks like the bus was right outside the Kirya military base at the time.

  22. Strangely, coincidentally or whatever, the bus that was bombed in Tavistock Square on 7/7 carried this advert:

    ‘The bus displays the well-known advert for the horror-movie ‘The Descent,’ which opened on July 8th (!). The film’s promoters (Wikipedia tells us) had to quickly alter the adverts, because: ‘ ”people were still trapped underground in reality, so no one really wanted to go see a film about people trapped underground…” Yes, indeed, it was ‘Outright terror, bold and brilliant,‘ just as the advert stated.

  23. It seems that Israeli propaganda follows the advice in the bible:
    2 Samuel 1:20
    “Tell it not in Gath, publish it not in the streets of Askelon; lest the daughters of the Philistines rejoice, lest the daughters of the uncircumcised triumph.”

  24. Another report that this was not a suicide bomber. Unclear whether package left on bus or detonated just outside. Whatever exploded it certainly wasn’t your typical bus explosion.

    I can remember berry picking buses with fewer intact windows.

  25. Norman Finklestein says, “the Israel army is the most cowardly army on earth”, much to the annoyance of a very fat American bloke.

  26. Hamas now claiming responsibility according to some reports. Not a wise move really.

  27. By the way, it’s well worth reading The Guardian’s Live Blog on the ‘crisis’. It really is amazing how obvious their pro-Israeli bias has become, to the extent that it isn’t even remotely hidden. Oh, at some point a few days down the line a few articles will appear talking about the blockade, but it’s too late then isn’t it? The intial impact is what counts.

    The MSM is simply not worth reading anymore, other than to laugh at, and mock. It’s basically an insult to our intelligence. I’m no rocket-scientist, but I really don’t appreciate lies, psy-ops and propaganda masquerading as ‘objective reporting’. I get kinda insulted, really. As in, who are these people to manipulate public opinion is such a blatant manner? What did they ever do, but go to Oxbridge? Nothing, really.

  28. Media bias? Here’s an instructive example.
    A few years ago I signed up to the Washington Post’s emailed news alerts. I can’t really remember why.
    Anyway, precisely nine minutes ago I got one of those alerts informing me that 10 Israelis had been injured in a bus explosion in Tel Aviv. Not once during the previous week has the Post alerted me about the deaths of any of the 136 (and counting) Palestinians. This includes the deaths of some 25 children.
    Civilian casualties are a terrible thing. But it seems that for “our” media only one side matters.

  29. Oh, nearly forgot: welcome back Craig.

  30. Suggestion regarding the demonstration in London on Saturday; for anyone wanting to meet up before proceeding to Downing Street, the previous thread would be a good place to make arrangements.

  31. Craig, I’m not sure how the term ‘self-defence’ is defined in international-legalese, but I have heard it said that any occupier who continues to maintain an occupation in contradiction of international law cannot lay claim to the rationale of self-defence for any retaliatory actions against those being occupied. Is this the case?

  32. That said, Brendan, Seumas Milne has written a good piece for today’s print Guardian, with some of the points Israel would rather were not published –

    CiFWatch (a subsidiary of BICOM) are apoplectic about it. Well done, Seumas. Keep it up.

  33. Am I hearing right? Claims that one or two people (one said to be female) got on bus, left package and got off again right outside a military base? Suspects not apprehended as of latest news.

  34. Was listening to some official Zionist stooge doing ‘earnest’ nearly as well as Alan Partridge last night. All Israel wanted, he said, was peace.

    Yeah. That’s what he said. Let’s deconstruct that a little:

  35. From Haaretz today:

    Activists from the Coalition Against Racism in Israel demanded Tuesday that Upper Nazareth Mayor Shimon Gafsou be “indicted for racist statements” after he sent a letter to Interior Minister Eli Yishai claiming that Nazareth is full of “Israel-hating residents whose place is in Gaza and not here.”

  36. Hamas denies claiming responsibility. There were unofficial claims in Gaza but it seems that Hamas has not (as of now anyway) officially claimed responsibility despite reports saying they have. They have supported the action though but not claimed responsibility.

  37. Oh, hell.

    Looks like Fatah is getting sick of just watching in horror.

  38. ….that ol’ divide-and-conquer thing doesn’t work so well if you’re pissing on ALL the divided, does it?

  39. Massive sequence of explosions in Gaza right now.

  40. Last Saturday the BBC’s “Any Answers” ‘phone-in had a line of people queuing to congratulate/ defend Israeli action, all sounded British. It was the usual thing, “If Israel lays down its weapons, there would be no Israel the next day. If Hamas lays down its weapons, there would be peace the next day” etc. etc. – surprised the old “pushed into the sea” cannard never got aired. But a lone voice did speak for Palestine, a woman speaking out the incursions, occupation, settlements and so on. She got a couple of points across, but was pretty drowned out in the pro-Israeli calls.

    I find it very hard to believe this sample is representative of British public opinion.

    Then again, the BBC led for a couple of days with the solemn announcement that a third person has now been killed in Israel, spoken with a gravity usually reserved for the death of an ancient Royal. No mention of the vastly greater number killed on the less defended side.

  41. “Israel is exercising its right of self-defence in precisely the same sense that Hitler was exercising the right of self-defence in Normandy in 1944 – ie not at all”.

    Sorry, Craig – although I really don’t think the Israelis are nearly as evil as the Nazis were, I think there’s a flaw in your analogy.

    Surely France declared war on Germany in 1939 – not the other way round? And I don’t think France could claim any real provocation. How could the German invasion of Poland – on its opposite flank from France – seriously injure France’s interests? (By that logic many nations should have declared war on the USA in the last 50 years!)

    Having started the war, France then lost it fair and square. Its armies were defeated, its territory was overrun, and its government surrendered. No ifs or buts – France declared war on Germany, was completely defeated, and surrendered. I’m not sure what international law says about the occupation of a country under those circumstances, but if the occupation was illegal then surely so was that of Germany, Italy and Japan by the Allies after 1945.

    So I would argue that Hitler’s legal position was substantially stronger than that of the Israelis.

  42. I think we have to start firmly and consistently pinning the label of “appeasers” of psychopathic genocide on the leaders of the Western world who are refusing to condemn Israel’s massacres in Gaza.

    This not a war. It is a one-sided massacre.

    The Palestinians have no army, navy, air-force, no air defence system, no air-raid shelters and they have no heavy weapons–just small arms. They are surrounded on all sides by Israel’s state of the art, high-tech armed forces and navy courtesy of the USA.

    Yet, the Israelis yesterday dropped leaflets on Gaza cynically calling upon them to “evacuate” knowing full well that there was nowhere for them to go.

  43. Now Hague is saying that ‘Terrorists must not be allowed to set the agenda’

    Surely the terrorists have been allowed to set the agenda since at least 1948, with the support of the like of Hague, or am I missing something here?

    He’s also apparently “concerned at emerging reports of a bomb attack on a bus in Tel Aviv”

    He doesn’t show such concern when it’s Palestinian chidren being blown to bit by his friends.

    Surely the craven hypocrisy of this man is apparent to even the dimmest of humanity.

  44. Jews sans frontiers blog has this ironic post exposing the train of “logic” of the good “hasbara” (propagandist for Israel): “How apologize for Israel like a pro”.

  45. This is a good account of what happened to this village and its occupants during the period of the Mandate and then again in Al Naqba.



  46. How fitting, all these explosions and suspicious people not being apprehended, before the 1’oclock news.
    I do not think the first explosion was from Hamas, why such a small package designed to injure and not kill?

    We have to wait what the second explosion is all about but this looks like the masters of false flagging are at it again, since when did they ever care about innocent bystanders if they can fool the International community that this is the last drop that fills the barrel, look at us poor mites taking all this stick from those terrorists.

    What’s Harry making of all this?

  47. I think you have a good point, A Casual Observer.

    “Why is it when Israel begin a fresh bout of ethnic cleansing do the BBC repeatedly ram the Holocaust down our throats? Is this coincidence?”

    The points of similarity between Israel and Nazi Germany are many and glaringly obvious. Apparently someone decided that “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em”. Apart from the fact that most of the Nazis’ most horrible policies came straight out of the Old Testament, we can immediately cite

    1. Belief in a single Master Race destined to rule the world. (Including belief in the outdated and discredited notion that there are distinct human “races”).
    2. Belief that all other human beings are only slightly, if at all, more dignified than animals; both animals and foreigners (non-Aryans or gentiles respectively) existing purely to help make life more comfortable for the Master Race.
    3. Desire for the Master Race to procreate rapidly, thus filling up the earth. What about the other races? What about the other races indeed? They can be displaced into arid desert regions, where with any luck most of them will die of “natural causes” (starvation, thirst, exposure, disease, etc.) If too many survive, measures can be taken…
    4. Willingness, verging on eagerness, to use extreme violence. After all, forgiveness and tolerance are signs of weakness, which the Master Race cannot afford. Utter ruthlessness becomes a virtue when dealing with Untermenschen (sorry, gentiles).
    5. Great sophistication in the use of applied violence. Cultivation of techniques such as control of the air, commando tactics, and Blitzkrieg (sorry, “Shock and Awe”).
    6. Determination to demonstrate that one member of the Master Race is worth more than hundreds or thousands of subhumans. So, when a MMR is killed by an SH, reprisals involve the killing of scores, hundreds, or thousands of SHs.
    7. Mastery of propaganda. (See the writings of Hitler, Goebbels, etc., passim). Particularly the Big Lie: “The great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil … therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big”.
    8. Self-conscious pride in Culture, which helps to prove how superior the MR is to the SHs.
    Adding further points to this indictment, a fairly easy task, is left as an exercise to the student. It should, however, be noted that the above beliefs are by no means exclusive to Israelis or even Jews. Most contemporary Americans, for instance, seem to feel that – even if they have been reluctantly compelled to accept black Americans as equals – brown Asians (especially if Muslim) are far less important than themselves.

  48. Israelis didn’t seem interested in forensics from that bus from the pictures. Bus was also driven away from scene under its own power within an hour or so of the blast

  49. Are these explosion false flag ops to give Netanyahu the pretext to extend the attacks on Gaza? I think we should be told. It stinks.

  50. This was written a day or so ago when the death toll in Gaza stood at 100.

    Nevertheless, it makes a good analysis of Israel’s game plan.

    [..]Indeed, with the sectarian attacks taking place in Syria spilling over into Lebanon, Hezbollah itself is similarly in little position to lend the type of support to Gaza that it did in 2006, for example, by opening a second front in response to Israeli shelling of Palestinians. Stratfor again: “Hezbollah will likely be extremely cautious in deciding whether to participate in this war. The group’s fate is linked to that of the embattled regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad; should Syria fracture along sectarian lines, Lebanon is likely to descend into civil war, and Hezbollah will have to conserve its strength and resources for a battle at home against its sectarian rivals.”

    If Syria does fall, therefore, we can expect to see far more Israeli massacres of the type now currently under way. Not only will Syria be knocked out of the ‘resistance axis’ altogether, and Hezbollah left without a supply line from Iran, but Iran itself will be left isolated and less able to provide the Gazans with the missiles that currently provide their only effective deterrent to a renewed Israeli occupation.

    This goes some way to explaining why the Israelis have been so supportive of the Syrian rebels, with Peres and Barak both throwing their weight behind the militias. Syria’s support for Hezbollah, and the link it provides to Iran, has been a key obstacle to Israel’s ability to attack the Palestinians with impunity, and therefore to its ability to unilaterally impose a final settlement on Palestine. For now, the main obstacle to Israeli diktat remains the Fajr-5.

  51. “The dark charisma Adolf Hitler”

    I also saw this, and was puzzled. The programme was almost entirely content free – simply stock footage of the nazis with a highly loaded commentary on what we should think of them. It had ludicrous graphics, and a sound track of barbarically edited classical music (three bars of this, four of that, cacophonous throughout). It came across like a longer version of Orwell’s Two Minute Hate. What on earth was it for?

  52. Ronaldo donates 1.5 million € to the children of Gaza ! A great gesture from a great player. I hope other celebrities join him in what amounts to a protest to the slaughter and destruction taking place.
    Comparing the IDF to the German army does not really ring true.The Germans fought against armies. The IDF pick on the defenceless and have been doing the same since 1947 and before that in the 30’s when they were known as Irgun and Hagannah.The children of those Terrorists are now running Israel, and calling the ethnically cleansed the terrorist.
    Our media is pathetic and just like our Foreign Minister (Little Willie)and the British Ambassador to Israel are part of the Zionist mouthpiece.The anti semites are the Zionists.

  53. exactly venceremos, this will be used as the final incitement to re-occupy Gaza.

    Agree with Tom Welsh and casual Observer, the set up was planned for month ahead so it seems, and all the trailers were working up to some dark and dank mood before it even went out. Full spectrum media dominance over the tricks department, but only us who sit outside their bubble can see this, the vast majority of apolitical apathetic non voters and the average 9-5 Joe Bloogs does not understand the nuances of this contrite news management.

    All those who ever wanted to scratch my eyes out/have a pint in mutual solace, this Sat. will be your chance if Phil comes up with a venue suggestion. would love to meet you all, but do recognise that many of you live in Scotland.

    Sorry Suhayl, no London tea for you, unless….

  54. Nevermind,

    IDF bombed very close to Harry as he was interviewing an injured cameraman for RT about an hour ago. Harry commented that “Israel has shot itself in the foot as never before have Palestinians been more united against them.”

  55. For the record, the Middle East debate yesterday in the HoC. Hours of waffle from Hague, and the following page.

    12.35pm onwards until 2.10pm

    plus a point of order from Halfon who like many others in the debate forgot to mention his allegiance to Israel.

    Robert Halfon (Harlow) (Con): On a point of order, Mr Speaker. For the avoidance of doubt, when I asked the Foreign Secretary my question I should have referred Members to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests.

    Mr Speaker: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for putting that on the record.

  56. Was a time I was ashamed to be the same nationality as William Hague, nowadays I’m ashamed to be the same species. How the hell did a boverboy get to be Foreign Secretary anyway? How did someone who lost an overwhelming vote of no confidence in his ability to run the country from the people of Britain in 2001 get to be deciding foreign policy?

    Don’t suppose him joining Conservative Friends of Israel when he was 15 has harmed his career prospects any.

  57. If you give, as America and her satraps have, a blank cheque to Israel, sooner or later a psycho will get to play with drones. Netanyahu has created more ‘terrorists’ than OBL could have hoped for.

  58. “Why the world puts up with this blatant ethnic cleansing and prolonged, agonizing genocide of the Palestinain people, I have no idea.”

    Two words: Suez Canal. You think the ghost of Abdel Nasser isn’t haunting a lot of people right now?

  59. Guess what the Western media news will lead on this evening and tomorrow? (Hint. It won’t be dead children in Gaza).

    Never forget that Zionism was a terrorist movement during the British mandate. The King David Hotel in Jerusalem–British HQ–was blown up by their militia. The present Israeli government has its roots in that movement. And they are not above bombing their own kind on a bus if it gives them the pretext to slaughter more defenceless Palestinians Gaza.

  60. Just spotted Jack Straw *makes sign of cross* questioning Hague’s infuriatingly mendacious ramble on the subject of Israel (we don’t support the terrorists) and Syria (we do support the terrorists)….

    Straw: Given that the experience of the past decade or more is that Israel pockets any concession made by the west to accommodate its position and then not only does nothing but makes the situation worse—by illegal settlement building, for example—will the Foreign Secretary please reconsider his position on the British Government’s refusal to vote for the United Nations General Assembly resolution? He is a man of great fluency, and he normally convinces the House with his arguments, but I find his reason for that refusal utterly incomprehensible. It is not that I disagree with it; I simply do not understand why our voting for the resolution would make the situation worse. Surely it would make it much better.

    B (FP) Hague: (translation) We’re sitting on our hands until the US gives us permission to vote against it.

  61. watching the parliament debate gaza situation was quite laughable,

    “israel is using advanced technology to carry out precision point laser guided attacks, the wicked Palestinians are firing haphazardly and sometimes killing innocent zionists”

    the people you are attacking are about 50 years behind you technologically

  62. Stop the slaughter, stop the crime, Free, Free, Palestine!

    Wish Craig was around to make one of his rousing speeches. Glad he is better. I did not realize that he was in Ghana when he became ill and that he was still there.

    PS Bus top billing BBC 1 News at One of course.

  63. There is a battle raging in cyberspace too since Israel threatened to shut down the internet in Gaza. Israel is losing that one big time.

  64. The BBC’s herald to war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc etc, in fact anywhere where white skinned people are killing brown skinned ones, is now in Gaza City. I mean the pugnacious Wyre Davies. Hope he has a thick flak jacket. He definitely gets turned on by war.

  65. Nevermind, Not just Scotland — but the north of Scotland for me! Good luck on Saturday to one and all. If you ever want to climb a Munro, give me a shout…

  66. This is pertinent:

    “As a general rule for understanding public policies, I insist that there are no persistent “failed” policies. Policies that do not achieve their desired outcomes for the actual powers-that-be are quickly changed. If you want to know why the U.S. policies have been what they have been for the past sixty years, you need only comply with that invaluable rule of inquiry in politics: follow the money.

    “When you do so, I believe you will find U.S. policies in the Middle East to have been wildly successful, so successful that the gains they have produced for the movers and shakers in the petrochemical, financial, and weapons industries (which is approximately to say, for those who have the greatest influence in determining U.S. foreign policies) must surely be counted in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

    “So U.S. soldiers get killed, so Palestinians get insulted, robbed, and confined to a set of squalid concentration areas, so the “peace process” never gets far from square one, etc., etc. – none of this makes the policies failures; these things are all surface froth, costs not borne by the policy makers themselves but by the cannon-fodder masses, the bovine taxpayers at large, and foreigners who count for nothing”.

    – Robert Higgs (quoted by Arthur Silber in his blog “Once Upon a Time”)

  67. Hope sight of Esler won’t set Craig’s recovery back!

    Lessons fromn the Top
    The most successful leaders educate, persuade and bring about change through the stories they tell, but we rarely have the background knowledge to explore how they do so.

    Watch award-winning television and radio presenter Gavin Esler as he shares the leadership secrets he’s gleaned from thirty years interviewing the world’s greatest frontrunners.!!

    Pure self aggrandisement. He thinks some of the fairy dust rubs off on to him.

  68. Just a moment there, Tom Welsh. Higgs is a guru of the Austrian School of economics. He supports an unrestrained market without reserve, and is wholeheartedly opposed to “The State”. He has a following among those members of the Tea Party who can read without moving their lips, few as they may be. Given that market forces have determined US foreign policy, according to the quotation, I’m inclined to think that the last paragraph is not intended ironically or sarcastically. Which rather changes the message of hope it seems to offer.

  69. I still don’t see people seeing that this is just a convenient way for Israel to regain the agenda initiative against Iran after it failed to unseat Obama because he wasn’t doing enough for Tel Aviv.

    With the asssassination of the Hamas military leader, Israel kicked off a campaign which the newly re-elected President had no alternative but to support unless he was willing to go after the traitors, headed by disgraced DCI General David Petraeus and his surrogate Paula Broadwell, who worked behind his back to unseat him.

    Now it is just a case of the tail wagging the dog big time, and the poor Palestinians are just convenient cannon fodder.

    This is just institutionalized war crimes that Hitler’s people could never get the necessary support, cowardice and excuses for.

  70. I want Israel abolished as much as the next anti-racist but was Ashkelon really Arab four thousand years ago? I thought the arabisation of the middle east came much later. I only ask because the truth matters. Apart from that possible error, I agree with what’s being said here.

  71. I’ve put this question on the Office of Tony Blair website (thanks, Mary, for the idea):

    Could you please tell me how many times since March 2009, in the course of his activities as Quartet envoy, Tony has visited
    (a) Gaza
    (b) The Occupied West Bank
    (c) Israel proper?

    I’d also be interested in any visits to any of these that were NOT conducted under the aegis of the Quartet.

    With thanks in anticipation,

  72. Depends what you mean by Arabs, Levi. If “people from the Arabian peninsula”, then no. If “non-Jewish Semitic people with descendants in the area today” (Israel’s loose current working definition of people who can be safely humiliated), then, yes. Canaanites with a fair degree of civilisation, indeed.

  73. Levi9909

    Who do you think the “Philistines” who built ancient Ashkalon were? (Genuine question, but difficult to imagine any genuine unbiased archaeological research on the subject in that part of the world).

  74. Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shalom’s social media hacked and defaced.

  75. Follow the money and ask yourself why Mr. Obama is sooo supportive of Israeli current actions.

  76. Someone was asking earlier about the legal status of Gaza:

    …Israel continues to exercise “effective control”, a legal designation with implications. As the Goldstone Report (paragraph 187) makes clear (supporting the conclusion of the 2003 ICJ decision), “in addition to controlling the borders, coastline and airspace… Israel continued to control Gaza’s telecommunications, water, electricity and sewage networks, as well as the population registry, and the flow of people and goods into and out of the territory while the inhabitants of Gaza continued to rely on the Israeli currency.”

    To these facts can be added Israel’s continuing capacity and willingness to impose a siege on Gaza and to send in forces to arrest suspects, transfer them elsewhere, and put them on trial before the military courts that have been in operation since 1967.

    Why is it important to recognise that Gaza is still occupied by Israel? Because this legal status speaks to issues far broader than the current war in Gaza and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Put simply, an occupying state has no legal right to wage a full-scale military war against an occupied population. Rather, the occupying state is legally obligated to protect the rights and prioritise the interests of this population, something Israel has manifestly not done in any part of the Occupied Territories.

    (emphases mine – K)

  77. We have the beginnings of a meet-up before Saturday’s London demo. Anyone else who’d like to join in, please see here:

  78. Another chilling quote from the above:

    First, Israel tries to frame its policies as complying with international law in order to avoid accusations of war crimes. The success of this argument depends on its terminology, and the policies that flow from it, remaining unchallenged. Second, to the extent that state practice (especially the practices of powerful states) is the main means through which international law – especially the laws of war – evolve, the “Israeli model” of disregarding civilian immunity and using disproportionate force in the aggressive pursuit of security may attain influence and credibility beyond this conflict.
    Conflict places stress ‘specifically on children’ of Gaza

    According to former senior Israeli military lawyer Daniel Reisner, this situation is precisely the goal of Israeli legal reasoning, which seeks to achieve “a revision of international law… If you do something for long enough, the world will accept it… International law progresses through violations. We invented the targeted assassination thesis and we had to push it. At first there were protrusions that made it hard to insert easily into the legal moulds. Eight years later it is in the centre of the bounds of legitimacy.”

    Bet you made Momma proud when you graduated from law school, Danny.

  79. Bet there’s no market for their ‘solution’ in Gaza as Muslim burials take place before sundown on the day of death or as soon as possible thereafter.

  80. RE: “The dark charisma Adolf Hitler”

    I didn’t watch this but was surprised at the trailers. I thought the ‘it was all down to one evil fella’ propaganda was long relegated to the history channels.

    If the bbc really are repeatedly warming us into israeli military adventures with such rubbish (would be interesting to know) then we are truly well beyond Chomsky & Hermann’s propaganda model. That this current doc is currently promoted to no. 1 on iplayer is appalling.

  81. John Pilger speaks to Dennis Bernstein Dennis worked with Nora Barrows Friedman, who writes on Electronic Intifada, on the Flashpoints radio show on Pacific Radio.

    An Interview With John Pilger
    Israel’s Gaza Rampage: It’s Not Just War







    “November 20, 2012 For Immediate Release (202)225-5871

    Undermining Peace in Gaza and Israel in One Minute Flat

    How the House Defeated the Democratic Process “Unanimously”

    WASHINGTON, D.C. (November 20, 2012) – On November 16, 2012, the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution, H.Res 813, expressing “vigorous support” and “unwavering commitment” to the State of Israel while bombs were being dropped on Gaza and missiles were launched toward Ashkelon. The resolution expresses the official opinion of the House of Representative. The resolution was passed “without objection.”

    It is unusual that legislation addressing a topic of such importance would be brought up without giving members of Congress any prior notice. The bill was introduced at 12:04 pm. The resolution was “agreed without objection” by 12:05 pm.

    “There was no notice, no committee hearing, no discussion and no debate. In such a fashion, we achieve unanimity on great matters related to the Middle East,” said Kucinich.

    Concerning this abnormal set of circumstances and addressing the tragic violence in Israel and the Gaza Strip, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today released the following statement.

    “I object to H.Res.813, an unfortunately and unnecessarily one-sided resolution that was brought up on Friday, November 16th for consideration without any advance notice to members of Congress and which was completed in about a minute without any discussion. The hasty nature in which this resolution of such significance was considered undermines the unspoken, but operationally essential understanding, that bills of great importance will not be quietly tiptoed through Congress. A loss of Members’ confidence in Leadership results when House floor procedures are conducted in a manner frustrating to good faith. Such conduct can only add to the hyperpartisanship and the breakdown of comity in Congress that Americans find objectionable.

    “Members must be given the opportunity to debate U.S. support of a military operation that is likely to be of significant consequence in talks between Israel and the Palestinians. This impacts the region and the world.

    “Only one minute for consideration of a most consequential resolution in the House, when in the past week, the death toll in Gaza has climbed past 100, including 24 children. Over 800 people are reported to have been wounded. Rockets from groups in Gaza have landed in several Israeli towns. Three Israelis have been killed.

    “This latest military escalation began after Israel assassinated Ahmed Al-Jabari, the head of Hamas’ military wing. According to Israeli negotiator Gershon Baskin, who secured the release of Gilad Shalit, Mr. Jabari ‘wasn’t just interested in a long-term cease-fire; he was also the person responsible for enforcing previous cease-fire understandings…On the morning that he was killed, Mr. Jabari received a draft proposal for an extended cease-fire with Israel, including mechanisms that would verify intentions and ensure compliance.’ Could anything be more destructive of peace than the assassination of a principal to ceasefire negotiations? And the House only has one minute to consider the ramifications of such action?

    “The root of this latest flare up in hostilities is deep. Negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians on a two-state solution have been virtually non-existent. Innocent people in Gaza continue to suffer under a blockade that has deprived them of everything from food and clean water to educational opportunities. Illegal settlements continue to be built in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, further diminishing prospects for a negotiated two-state solution.

    “The hastily written, and even more hastily passed resolution, fails to mention any of that. In its deficiencies are writ the failures of our own Middle East policies. This latest outbreak in violence is deplorable and I am strongly supportive of Egyptian efforts to negotiate a ceasefire. Innocent people on both sides deserve to live without fear. Can the House Leadership spare a minute for that point to be made?”

    ### “

  83. It seems to me there are documentaries about Hitler and the Nazis on TV pretty well all the time. It is quite a staple of the airwaves and there seems to me nothing illegitimate about that. I do not think there is any evidence that there is more of such during Israeli military actions. I think that if you start speculating that “Inglourious Bastards” or “Schindler’s List” or “The Boy in the Striped Pajamas” are released to an IDF timetable, you are losing grip on reality.

  84. @Mary

    ‘This morning, live from Gaza, Donnison was saying the same about last night’s ‘pounding’ (the BBC phrase) by Israel being the worst so far, the sound of a rocket going off was heard in the background. ‘That will be a rocket heading towards Israel’ he says. ‘The sirens there will be going off’. Seamlessly the cameras switched to Ben Brown in Ashkelon where the sirens were indeed going off. ‘I have to go now’ says Brown. ‘It is very dangerous standing here out in the open. I am going to the shelter’, as he hastened away.

    If that wasn’t all planned, I will eat my kippah!’

    Yes, it is very reminiscent of this broadcast by CNN’s Charles Jaco during the Gulf War:

    The siren scene starts at about 3.20, and the entire thing is fake. Brown, like his imperial predecessors, is following in the venerable tradition of western propaganda.

  85. Gawain

    Now that orchestration I can believe

  86. “Just a moment there, Tom Welsh”.

    Sure, what can I do for you?

    “Higgs is a guru of the Austrian School of economics. He supports an unrestrained market without reserve, and is wholeheartedly opposed to “The State”.”

    True enough, but I can’t see what relevance any of that has to the passage I quoted.

    “He has a following among those members of the Tea Party who can read without moving their lips, few as they may be”.

    That may well be true, but it doesn’t necessarily imply anything at all about either Higgs or his ideas. Aren’t you sidling up to an indirect kind of ‘ad hominem’?

    “Given that market forces have determined US foreign policy, according to the quotation, I’m inclined to think that the last paragraph is not intended ironically or sarcastically. Which rather changes the message of hope it seems to offer”.

    I didn’t see any message of hope at all, and having carefully reread that paragraph I still don’t. All I really meant to do was convey the idea that the outcomes in the Near East, far from reflecting policy failure, were exactly what was intended all along. I had read the Higgs quote this morning, and couldn’t imagine phrasing the idea better myself. So I used Higgs’ words.

  87. Craig at 21 Nov, 3:18 pm: yes, TV has been awash with WWII stuff – films, documentaries, whatever – all my life. However, I disagree that there is “nothing illegitimate about that”. Nothing more illegitimate than usual, but it remains part of the never ending propaganda for war.

    Ditch your TV licenses. The broadcast licenses of the foreign companies that contradict the mainstream corporate agenda are being withdrawn in any case. Use the Internet where you have to choose what you watch, and where you can block the adverts that keep the whole thing going. Why should some big company decide what you should consider important, in any case?

  88. O/T Can somebody, Jon, or Clark, or somebody with technical expertise try to open this please and post its contents? It’s to do with the Julian Assange affair and says something about Billy McCormac commenting on the CIA (of which he might know more than is suspected) not being capable of something . . . Arbed, on the Anna Ardin liar blog post, cannot open it either. Thanks

  89. Ditch your satellite subscriptions, take down your aerials and dishes. Centralised media attracts propagandists like dead meat attracts flies. Every reduction in audience numbers hits them where it hurts; advertising and PR.

    If you are technical enough to change a fuse, learn about how to keep the Internet working and unfiltered. Learn why the DNS system is the weak point (it’s centrally administered), and that we can overcome this by sharing information. Learn why the Internet Service Providers now supply all wireless routers with wireless encryption pre-enabled (it keeps us isolated, vulnerable and make it easier to identify our traffic). Get a secure operating system that respects your freedom, and then switch off the “security” on your wireless connection and set it free!

    If you want a thing done properly, do it yourself!

    Too right!

  90. @ Tom
    True enough, but I can’t see what relevance any of that has to the passage I quoted.

    All becomes clear if you read to the end, as you then do, with annotations.

    That may well be true, but it doesn’t necessarily imply anything at all about either Higgs or his ideas. Aren’t you sidling up to an indirect kind of ‘ad hominem’?

    No. I’m pointing out as a matter of background that Higgs is in favour of an unrestrained market, and that he’s maybe not being sarcastic – as some might read him, and I did at first glance – but sincere. That IS his view of the proles.

    I didn’t see any message of hope at all, and having carefully reread that paragraph I still don’t.

    Sorry, I phrased that badly, in haste. I should have said ” the message of hope an optimist might take from a member of the Austrian School apparently being facetious about the activities of the market..”

    I trust that helps.

  91. A Casual Observer

    21 Nov, 2012 - 3:59 pm

    “I think that if you start speculating that “Inglourious Bastards” or “Schindler’s List” or “The Boy in the Striped Pajamas” are released to an IDF timetable, you are losing grip on reality.”

    But what about “Iron Sky”… that one looks a bit suspect to me – who with a sound grip on reality would fund such a film… there has to be a hollywood conspiracy!?


    Seriously though – it was just an observation, I’ve no idea how the BBC works with regards to their programming schedule and/or how flexible it is with how it relates to current events.

    They are not organised enough to have an ‘agenda’ but I’m not ruling out editorial or political bias among their members.

    I have, after all, watched what passes for their flagship ‘news’ program and drawn my own conclusions from that i.e. a licence fee funded balanced and critical documentary of the history of Israel and Palestine will never happen.

    If anyone has historical records of all BBC program scheduling then point me to it and I’ll run it through the old database to see if any hot-spots crop up – other than that it’s all just speculation.

  92. Regarding the timing of nazi documentaries in British TV and Israel operations, I do not think any conspirational explanation is necessary. There is ALWAYS some documentary of the sort being aired

  93. John Goss, if you inspect that URL, you’ll see that it is a Google address, followed by an address at Percent symbols are used to replace special characters, “2F” is a forward slash. The server for will respond with its home page, but when the rest of the URL is included, the server just leaves you waiting.

    I’ll try some other approaches…

  94. @Clark

    ‘Ditch your TV licenses. The broadcast licenses of the foreign companies that contradict the mainstream corporate agenda are being withdrawn in any case. Use the Internet where you have to choose what you watch, and where you can block the adverts that keep the whole thing going. Why should some big company decide what you should consider important, in any case?’

    I’d largely agree with this sentiment, but for different reasons. My major concern is that many modern media outlets are coming down with members of the intelligence establishment, and that such a relationship is specifically designed to distort the public consciousness as a whole. Check out a few examples of intelligence penetration into the media industry:

    Making things rather worse is the reality that our communications systems are becoming more and more centralised, both in the sense of corporate monopoly control and in the sense of possible state surveillance. The below chart clearly reflects the extent to which a once burgeoning media industry has now become a tool of the powerful:

    And given the recent work of the NSA and GCHQ in screening the communications of ordinary citizens, it is becoming increasingly clear that we must police our own discourse in an altogether more circumspect manner.

    One of the best sources on all of the above is Richard Keeble – a man who seems to have dedicated a great deal of time and effort in confronting the idea of spooks operating in the media. See the following for more information:

    All of which confirms to my mind that I must treat everything I hear when a certain degree of skepticism. The domain of public reason is most definitely under threat.


    Once upon a time people lived on a land in pastoral conditions with their brethren and sisters and neighbours. And amongst these people was a man who lived for his family, his wife, his children and loved them first then in his heart he loved next, the land which he farmed.
    One wretched day there was an arrival of others who expelled many of the people who had lived in peace, and the man had to leave with his family.
    The resentment grew in the hearts of the weak and vulnerable who had been expelled and were without their homes and homeland.
    As time went by, the occupiers established themselves and came to be recognised in the world as having a right to live upon the land up to a line in the sand. But the occupiers were not satisfied with that gain and invaded and built beyond that line in the sand.
    Alas, with the passage of more time the animosities grew and the weak sought to arm themselves against the strong. The epithet of violence spread became imprinted on the names of many across the land. Conflict and resistance grew, and as a tree grows braches and leave so too did conflict spring resistance.
    Some in the world sided with the strong against the weak; while others sided with the weak against the strong.
    There was conflict grief and strife all around. So the strong resolved to launch greater wars and show that might could defeat the weak.
    And so it came to pass: the belief was that a man could be killed and the weak would be pacified and subdued. At first the man’s brother was killed and more resentment grew in him. Then his wife was killed and the resentment grew all the more. Then one day all his children were killed and he resolved then that he would arm himself and fight. He had lost all that in this world he had desired, and so his death, his life, his aspirations merged as one. There was no longer any difference for the man between the light of day or the darkness of night. His life’s meaning now became a testament that in a noble death there would be greater meaning than in a recreant’s life.
    And so, as the days, the weeks, the months passed by, the strong continued to demonstrate their strength and the man lived his life with the only meaning now that he could find to fill his heart.
    Moral of the story: It is better to be a coward for a minute than be dead for the rest of your life; or – to sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men?

  96. John Goss, it was just taking too long to respond. I think I’ve got it, and I’ve placed a copy here, but it looks a bit dodgy (some characters displaying incorrectly):

  97. Sky’s Kay Burley to UK Israeli Amb.Taub “Does this mean a ground invasion is more likely?” referring to the bus.

    Taub to Burley …”Blah blah, spiel, spiel, …. We may have to consider a military intervention.” !!

    The irony was lost in his chutzpah.

    A Jewish American teacher writes:

    ‘It is time to stop being afraid to equate Israel with the Nazis. Are they even Jewish? Nowhere in the Talmud is it taught that when your home is destroyed it is your right to take another’s and put them out. Yet the ethnic cleansing of Palestine from pre-Israeli statehood to the present stands as a stark contrast to what it is to be Jewish. Targeting women and children, families, water towers and other forms of infrastructure, is sheer barbarism. The brute racism by Israel’s leading figures, as supported by opinion polls of its people, can only be compared with Grand Dragons and neo-Nazis.

    It is time for all people of conscience, especially Jews, to stand up and put a stop to the practices of such an insane country.’

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