You really do need to watch all of this video from the Christian Broadcasting Network:
A couple of years ago, while giving a lecture at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, I was astonished when a lecturer told me that half of his students would agree with the proposition that a war in the Middle East would lead to Armageddon, and that would be a good thing. In Ann Arbor, bot the Deep South.
The extent to which US support for Israel is driven by these christian violent religious extremists should not be underestimated. They are a major force in US politics.
The extraordinary thig is that violent religious extremists in both the US and Israel look forward to fighting sude by side against the forces of evil in the Last Battle in the Middle East, yet extremist jews and extremist christians each also believe that at the climax, when the world ends, their cherished allies will go to Hell with their enemies.
It is of course the American christians who are the most destructive violent religious extremists in the world.
‘the American christians who are the most destructive violent religious extremists in the world’
For a man who has breathed the rarefied air as Queens Ambassador this is a breathtakingly brave and powerful statement that draws a clear line in the sand for British foreign policy to move back behind.
That line represents our honour, British honour – the humanitarian thread that once ran through our armed forces; one that was severed by American evangelistic neocon influence. A once staunch binding that held British qualities of fairness and humility in war.
As a veteran I know it was these qualities that ushered Argentinian prisoners in the Falklands war behind our lines in the confusion of night attacks, despite the threat of hidden weapons unseen in darkness. In that war we felt pity for defeated and dazed young men; we witnessed no torture, no ‘black camps’ no rape of innocent women, no demeaning ridicule of private parts, no massacre and maiming of innocent children and no planting of bombs by special forces disguised as the enemy.
Behind that line in the sand IS the British way – lost by the influence of fanatical beliefs.
We have to regain that pride, that British sense of justice and fight hard to negotiate peace in the Middle-East and convince our good friends in America to call our young people back from pointless, hegemonic conflict and the attempts to exterminate the people of Gaza by fanatical zionists.
Only then will Britain regain her leadership, regain her influence and regain the trust of her people.
Michael (Petek or otherwise) has started a good game.
Here’s one for you Michael.
Brig. Gen. Avichai Rontzki, IDF Chief Rabbi told settler soldiers that troops who show mercy to enemy will be
i) damned
ii) damned
iii) damned
iv) damned
Another one for Michael:
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira in his book (to paraphrase) “A Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews” writes that “babies … block the way to rescue by their presence and do so completely by force. Nevertheless, they may be killed because their presence aids murder. There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults”
More on this enlightenening material at:
http://coteret.com/2009/11/09/settler-rabbi-publishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/
“Wrong, MJ, it was Mohammed Atta. No points there”.
What’s your evidence? (Handy hint: the FBI has now dismissed the story of the passport, miraculously found in the rubble, as a ‘rumour’ – even though it was they who first announced it).
For Jon’s benefit:
The term ‘dhimmi’ comes from ‘dhimma’ which is the pact of protection which certain non-Muslims can enter as a condition for keeping their lives.
The dhimma alone gives unbelievers rights under Islamic law. Unbelievers who have not yet been conquered are called ‘harbis’ – those at war with Islam – and have no rights at all.
Anyone who submites to Islamic rule can become a dhimmi, other than apostates from Islam and idolaters who are Arabs according to the Hanafi school of jurisprudence. The Hanbali, Shafi’i and Maliki schools allow the status of dhimmis only to Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians.
There are lots of things dhimmis are forbidden to do in pain of death. Owning land is one thing, expressing fault with the Koran or Islamic law are others. In short, you can’t uphold both shari’a and international human rights at the same time. To uphold either is to strike down the other.
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira is an apostate and a blasphemer.
Michael Petek is right. I once attended a training course at London’s Toynbee Hall; this was shortly after the First Glorious Crusade Against Saddam Hussein, and the air around the place was thick with Muslimity. When you went home in the evenings you could hear the muezzin calling from a mosque nearby, trampling blatantly on the rights of those of us who might have preferred the more democratic fare peddled by Christian televangelists. You just couldn’t walk a *step* without getting blown up.
Gog, Magog, the end of days… wait, he left out Shanklin, Isle of Wight… phew, we’re safe for now folks… STAND AWAY FROM THE HANUKKAH !!!
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A Life Destroyed
Denis Lehane
‘The CIA’s out to get me!’ is every paranoiac’s cry, yet Denis Lehane is no madman. He was an Irish award-winning journalist. Yet, in 1984, he refused to work undercover for the CIA and MI5 who, in revenge, spread rumours that he was insane, an alcoholic and a serial rapist who had tried to murder his two girlfriends. Certified insane in London and later in Dublin, he was put away in an asylum for life. When a television reporter rang Lehane, in his captors’ hearing, to say that CNN were making a major documentary about him, he was hastily released, the programme cancelled and its maker sacked from the network.
Denied any trial, Ireland deported its own citizen, dumping him in London with £5 in his pocket. He was to live on the streets, in cardboard boxes, until he was arrested on a trumped-up charge of terrorism, forbidden to choose any lawyers, tried in his absence and condemned to a psychiatric prison. Here he was tortured, beaten and left disabled, in lifelong pain, with a broken spine, until a hereditary Peer was to spring him free.
Denis Lehane will never recover, yet slowly, painfully and bravely, he has spent long years writing this book. If anyone thought that such events described within could not happen here, read this powerful, horrifying, yet profoundly moving account. Weep, and think again
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And I pose my usual question – Where the hell was our so-called human rights industry????
Ambassador Craig Murray, your second paragraph is complete and utter bullshit. I spent three years in law school at the University of Michigan. Previous to that, I spent four years at a university not too far away.
I couldn’t tell you the religion of any of the thousands of people I came in contact with. Just not something you talk about. And it was certainly not something that ever came up in classroom discussion. There would be a definite and palpable impropriety about talking about such things (as I assume there would be at British universities).
I recently heard someone (the husband of one of my friends) engage in “Armageddon” talk, and it caused me actual physical discomfort, as it was one of those dinner party moments when you want to run away and you can’t.
I never had one moment like that in 7 years of Midwestern university. I don’t know anyone who ever had such a moment. This is extremely predictable.
Once again, I’m just not sure that you know how to properly assimilate information. I can’t fathom how you were ever appointed to be the position of ambassador.
Your fantasy world now involves students at the University of Michigan engaged in Armageddon talk. If you knew anything, you’d know how unbelievably stupid that is.
Paul: “It’s a pity the 9/11 truthers have to pop up on Craig’s blog quite so often; it only aids the neo-con trolls.”
Are you claiming to be someone sympathetic to Craig Murray’s positions who ISN’T a 911 Truther?
That would make you quite unique.
Btw, Craig Murray, once again, I wasn’t the one who brought it up.
For my benefit, Michael, perhaps you could address head on the issues put to you, rather than ducking them in order to persuade people – and yourself perhaps – of the awfulness of Muslims? I suspect you favour the most extreme/fundamentalist reading of the Koran, but you wouldn’t appreciate it if I did the same to your Bible now, would you?
I would much appreciate from you a full statement on whether you think the promise of the End Times and the second coming of Christ justifies the stealing of Palestinian land, and all the resultant problems of conflict, poverty and racial/religious tension that flow from the Israeli occupation.
Didn’t we have one of those armagenite ‘Christians ‘ here a little while ago?
I think he was here to defend Israel killing Turks because they are Muslim. Now that their deaths have been forgotten, he has gone some where else to spread his hate.
Jon, the promise of the End Times and the Second Coming of Christ is immaterial as to whether it is justified to steal Palestinian land,or whether it is stolen at all.
You don’t have to be a Christian to hold that Islam is a false religion. You can and must do it if you are a Hindu, a Jew, a pagan, a Confucian or a secular humanist.
Once you accept that, the next step is to judge that the Islamic war of conquest of Palestine, whether by the Arabs or by the Turks, was a crime of aggression of the highest order. All land in Palestine was publicly owned as war booty (Arabic: fay) under Turkish and Arab rule. It was also under public ownership under Roman rule as provincial land.
So there can be no private title unless the act of privatisation was done by the Romans, the Israelis or – in their time – by the British under the Mandate and the Crusaders in the days of the mediaeval Kingdom of Jerusalem.
Seems Craig doesn’t like thinking about spiritual matters, nor other people talking or writing about them unless they are full-on crazies. Only such religious types are worth taking seriously (and who’s denying that). People like Hagee are supported by Zionists. These people, no more than their Zionist partners, are not in any way spiritually Christian.
No true Scotsman, got it.
It’s pretty easy to point out the manifest lackings and appalling inhumanity of just about any religion (apart from Buddhists, maybe), and it’s certainly fun to take the piss out of one religionist who’s shrieking about how evil another might be.
Particularly when that religionist is a Christian – not only is the christianist overlooking the manifest evil and debauchery in his own filthy, blood-soaked religion, but he’s going against his own supposed belief system. “Judge not lest ye be judged”, “cast out the beam in thine own eye before the mote of thy brother’s eye”, etc. etc.. One has to be pretty damned selective in their choice of internally inconsistent passages from the Bible, but why do christianists love the fire and brimestone blood-lust from the O.T. so much, and forget all about the Sermon on the Mount? How come they don’t recognise Christ as a pioneering socialist who hated organised religion?
Here’s one more for our multiple choice game:
Q – Which religion has the most blood on its hands, through slaughter of innocents largely in the name of their religion and/or ‘manifest destiny’ :
a) Christianity
b) Islam
c) Buddhism
d) Hinduism
e) Any other religion
Hint: (a) has more deaths racked up than all the others put together.
Actually I think about spiritual matters a very great deal. It is one of the reasons I can tell violent nutters are wrong.
To all non-US readers here:
Here is an article about the ultimate nightmare: US Christian extremists putting up buildings in illegal West Bank settlements and preparing the legal foundation for a mass influx of their own Gentile settlers as Israeli citizens – with the Likud’s help!
If you thought the settlers from New York or Moscow were vicious racist provocateurs, what do you think these rednecks intend to do to the remaining Palestinians? Many of these maniacs might be direct descendants, like myself, of Tennesseans who emigrated to Mexican Texas with false promises to respect Mexican law while fully intending to grab everything and get Texas into the USA by any means necessary – which led directly to the Mexican-American War.
The Christian Dominionists in America are far more dangerous that you can imagine. They worshipped Bush as a prophet until they recently decided he wasn’t extreme enough. That gave him the margin to steal an election and initiate the unnecessary death of a million Iraqis, so that blood is on their hands. But it has not slaked the thirst of theocrats in America.
Every day here you hear things from their mouths as sickening as anything the Nazis said before 1933. If they were just a bunch of disorganized crazies, as many of you think, it might not matter. Instead, they are the only people in America with a plan to keep white Christians on top of a world that is intent on toppling them, and that makes them attractive to nearly half of America’s desperate, bankrupt, aging white population. The rich Americans see them as useful as Krupp did Hitler. Everyone else is too confused and distracted to devote all mental and economic resources to fight back.
Once their West Bank settlers start a cycle of revenge with the Palestinians, do you think Fox News will depict them as “ex” Americans? Or as an extension of the US who must be rescued by an invasion force?
See the rest of the talk2action.org site, a broad overview of the breathtaking number of projects by Christian extremists to expand their control over the nation’s heartland.
There was a time, post World War 11 when the US saw all religion, inclusive of Islam as a counter force to communism. An aspect of the ideological aims of the US government is its use of religion. Anyone interested in the interface between religion and US foreign policy might care to read this article – http://motherjones.com/politics/2006/01/cold-war-holy-warrior
Sorry, here’s the article link:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/10/19/175932/60
Bollocks, Glenn.
Muhammad and the four Rightly-Guided Caliphs who succeeded him waged many military campaigns – in Mohammed’s case about thirty battles give or take a few. Not only did they conquer North Africa and the Middle East, they also conquered the Persian Empire and devastated the western reaches of India.
All of this before Charles Martel ever laid a glove on them.
Abdel Bari Atwan has written that Islam is the only major world religion which has a theological command to fight embedded within it.
Michael:
So the Palestinians have no legal land rights after centuries because the Arabs did what everyone else did back then?
How did you feel about the Dred Scott decision?
I hope you are an American, so you can get hoist on your own petard when the Latinos take over. But I imagine you’ll back the movement to strip “anchor babies” of their citizenship and create a permanent Palestinian problem of our own to keep our sweatshops profitable.
“It is of course the American Christians who are the most destructive violent religious extremists in the world.”
Who started the most destructive war in the history of mankind?
(1) Mohammed Atta
(2) The Dalai Lama
(3) Adolf Hitler who always wore a cross
(4) Kim Ir Sen
(5) Mao Dzedun
(6) Islam Karimov
Select one answer only.
The depth of ignorance around this topic is breath-taking.
Is no-one here aware that Netanyahu let out of the bag what was already patently clear to most of us.
Christian evangelicals are just useful idiots to the Zionists.
The idea that the Christians in this marriage of convenience with Zionists are the more dangerous of the two is laughable.
Typical of this comment board really-getting progressively worse.
Clueless saps.
For the first time I’ve got to the point where I think Larry is one of the more knowledgeable commenters here.I am in complete agreement with his trenchant critique of Craig Murray.
It has to be said he’s talking utter hogshite.
Michael – you must have entirely overlooked the systematic killing of possibly 100 million native Americans, slaughtered in the name of ‘Manifest Destiny’. Just that one aspect of your filthy religion beats all other jihads and campaigns combined. Going back a bit earlier, the christianist Columbus slaughtered vast, vast numbers of Latin Americans and American Indians, stealing children to be raped as gifts to his masters back in Europe. The Crusades had streets ankle deep in blood, and the monstrous christianists who carried out these atrocities were thoroughly proud of themselves. Doubtless you are proud of them too.
Michael:
Who gives a damn if Christianity lacks a “theological command” to wage war when it has done so ceaselessly for the last 1700 years? It is the Christians who are the best at war who end up as the greatest and most influential Christians. You clearly want American warmongerers to take on that sacred role while clinging to your innocence.
“It is of course the American Christians who are the most destructive violent religious extremists in the world.”
Who killed millions of Iraqi civilians, including children and women just because they were NOT Christians or JEWs?
(1) Chinese
(2) Japanese
(3) American soldiers with biblical verses on their weapons
(4) Cubans
(5) Mexicans
(6) Uzbeks
Select one answer only.
i think to justify any religious claims to any land, it is not enough to hark back only 2000 years, it is not sufficient to compare ancient Egyptian text with that of copycat jewish scholars some thousands of years later.
I think we must look back to the times when Neanderthals moved round Europe,i.e. who’s cudgel swung first.
Does the Magog include those Ashkenazi jews from the Russian/caucasian Hinterland? Will they die in the first wave, or will they be weeded out for hell later on?
Its all hellishly important you know Michael, you cannot just dismiss Homo sapiens movement from the Rift valley into Europe, an important point in the development of the lower Nile area.
Fortunately for us here in Europe was that they were dropping off their unwanted, troublesome cousins on the way, in Palestine, obviously, cause they were a right barmy lot, always fighting with each other instead of hunting for food and with a neck for schmarotzing Talers.#
So I think that your religious claims are a tad invalid, a copycat, down to the words, from other religions, a fakey so to speak.
Jon, I’m afraid you will not get any answers out of fundamentalists who are set in their ways, like Dinosaurs, they have to die out, and we all know how they died, don’t we……
“It is of course the American Christians who are the most destructive violent religious extremists in the world.”
Who dropped atomic bombs on civilian cities in 1945 and killed millions of innocent people?
(1) Chinese
(2) Japanese
(3) Americans
(4) Cubans
(5) Mexicans
(6) Russians
Select one answer only.
OK, so now the Americans fought the Japanese out of Christianity.
You people get more stupid every day.