There are many thousands of people imprisoned in Uzbekistan alone who should not be imprisoned and who suffer much worse conditions than even the genuine horrors of Wandsworth being visited on Julian Assange. But the Assange case has implications for ever deteriorating Western freedoms which should not be overlooked.
Then there are many war criminals who ought to be in jail and who are not. Most prominent of these are Bush, Blair, Cheney, Straw and their crew. A minor figurewho ought to be in jail is Anna Ardin. Here are two tweets she published after being “raped” by Julian Assange:
‘Julian wants to go to a crayfish party, anyone have a couple of available seats tonight or tomorrow? #fb’
‘Sitting outdoors at 02:00 and hardly freezing with the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing! #fb’
She subsequently deleted and tried to expunge those. I doff my hat to Rixstep:
http://rixstep.com/1/20101001,01.shtml
For another avowed feminist trying to bring Assange down, analyse the use of language in this article by the Guardian’s useless Helen Piddle. For a worm like her to use words like bizarre and raggle-taggle in relation to John Pilger really defies rationality.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/08/julian-assange-celebrity-supporters
Evgueni, at 2:09am, as usual, an incisive analysis.
Check out Misha Maltsev, a DJ and much else:
http://www.hulu.de/de/musiker/misha_maltsev_dt.htm
Alfred, I really cannot be bothered trawling through previous threads galore searching for references to your attribution of “genocide in Leicester” and the “invasion of Britain” by immigrants. The references are legion. It has been pointed out many times before.
You know that Craig Murray’s wife is Uzbek and that his youngest son is part-Uzbek. Yet you express views on this site which insinuate that foreigners are ‘invading’ and committing “genocide” in the UK today.
These views are so silly and insulting that peer review (or in indeed any review) of them would demolish them in a minute. It is virtually inconceivable that someone as highly-trained in scientific discipline as you could hold to such views without being self-critical.
They are also inflammatory and divisive, as well as disinformative.
You display more contradictions in your views than a sad clown.
Now you openly attack Craig Murray on almost all fronts.
This is entirely predictable.
What a shame “the most distinguished scholars of the day” didn’t teach you about ad hominem, Alfred. And it’s a pity that someone didn’t teach you that coming back as a sock-puppet isn’t impressive, either.
“it’s time you understood that as a feminist you lose all right to loopy arguments”
I don’t label myself, Alfred. I’m not an “ist” of any kind. Nor have I ever said here that I was. I make you mad, Alfred. I haven’t made up my mind if it’s because I’m Irish, or because I’m female, or because I have you pegged correctly. Or all three. But it matters not one whit.
The minute you came out with your “whiskey and bog” remarks about Ireland I was pretty sure I knew what to expect from you. And I haven’t been proved wrong yet. Your federation of British Isles was just more of the same. Provocative bullshit.
You’ve wrongly accused me of anti-British prejudice (while knowing zilch about my English, Welsh and Scottish connections, and not having a single quote to back up your assertion), showed your own prejudice in the guise of “jokes” about my country, and wrongly ‘accused’ me of being a feminist — a term I don’t use about myself as I loathe the male-bashing that some so-called-feminists engage in.
(My remarks about arm pits were in jest. You need to get a salt cellar and use it liberally.)
You’ll have to do better, Alfred. But I won’t necessarily be listening. I have no time for people with inflated notions of their own superiority.
Concerning Medialens funding, this correspondence:
From: xxxxx
Sent: 10 December 2010 23:07
To: [email protected]
Subject: Soros
Hi,
Is it true (as I have heard alleged here and there on the web) that Medialens receives funding from George Soros?
xxxxx
From: Media Lens Editors [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 11 December 2010 10:18
To: xxxx
Cc: ‘David Edwards’
Subject: RE: Soros
Hi xxx,
Thanks for checking with us ?” there’s no truth to this at all. Can you supply any links to such allegations perhaps?
We’re supported by individuals making donations. In the past we’ve had small grants of a couple of thousand pounds at a time; most recently from Artists Project Earth and the Amiel and Melburn Trust.
Best wishes
David C
And, topically enough, when I check back I see that it was Alfred who made the allegation.
Angrysoba, there is nothing incompatible with Craig emphasising his Norwich connections and his Scottish ones. We all have multiple provenances. It would’ve been different if Craig had had no Norwich connections. But he was brought up there.
Yes, Vronsky, I see that. Alfred contempt of Craig Murray is becoming evident.
The deconstruction of controlled opposition and disinformation generally is undertaken regularly by Gordon Duff and Bill Engdahl in their interviews and blogs.
Both have trashed WikiLeaks extensively in links cited here regularly and still airheads like oilman, suehayle, technicolor, bronsky are trying to bamboozle and befuddle the credulous into subscribing to disinformation/gatekeeper outfits like WikiLeaks and medialens etc.
It ain’t working dingbats!
“But to apply the golden rule to people in a far away country about which we know nothing, while the media are buzzing on about peak oil, winter gas supplies, and geostrategic necessity, that is truly a challenge.”
What an extraordinary thing to say. It obviously wasn’t much of a ‘challenge’ to those involved in the massive demonstrations against the invasion of Iraq. Empathy has deep roots in our species. It may be evoked more readily in relation to people of our own community or racial group, but the Indian Ocean tsunami proves that it is far from confined to those.
*reaction* to the Indian Ocean tsunami.
A comment on Medialens this morning –
Student protests – “Someone is going to get killed”.
“Met chief Sir Paul Stephenson implied today that it could be necessary for armed officers to turn their guns on protesters to ensure members of the ruling class “are safe as possible.”
He was joined by London Mayor Boris Johnson in claiming that police had showed “enormous restraint” during the protests.
Pressed on whether “restraint” meant not shooting demonstrators, Mr Stephenson said: “I think you and your listeners can draw their own conclusion.”
Ain’t democracy wonderful? As soon as you start testing the limits of democracy, you start to find out how free you actually are.
followed by a link to an article in the Morning Star
Student protests – “Someone is going to get killed”
Friday 10 December 2010
by Lizzie Cocker, Education Reporter
The Metropolitan Police are under investigation in connection with a student protester who was left fighting for his life after being hit on the head with a police truncheon.
Alfie Meadows, a philosophy student at Middlesex University, was struck as he tried to leave the area outside Westminster Abbey during Thursday night’s tuition fee protests, his mother said.
After falling unconscious on the way to Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, the 20-year-old underwent a three-hour operation for bleeding on the brain before being transferred to Charing Cross Hospital today to recover.
His mother Susan, a lecturer at Roehampton University who was also at the protests, said: “It’s part of a pattern of the way in which these events are being policed.
“Alfie said to me before this happened: ‘Somebody is going to get killed.’ It’s very frightening.”
The Independent Police Complaints Commission launched an investigation into the incident today but warned that inquiries were still at an early stage.
A total of 44 protesters were taken to hospital and the London Ambulance Service treated 58 patients after an overwhelmingly peaceful mass protest of over 50,000 turned ugly.
Police on horseback drove the crowd into small areas, beat protesters with truncheons and riot shields and refused to allow them to move from where they had been herded for up to 10 hours.
Met chief Sir Paul Stephenson implied today that it could be necessary for armed officers to turn their guns on protesters to ensure members of the ruling class “are safe as possible.”
He was joined by London Mayor Boris Johnson in claiming that police had showed “enormous restraint” during the protests.
Pressed on whether “restraint” meant not shooting demonstrators, Mr Stephenson said: “I think you and your listeners can draw their own conclusion.
“We do have armed officers who protect principals and I think we’ve got to remember on occasion that when they go about their task, their task is to protect their principals and get them to their venue and make sure they are as safe as possible.”
Carrie Reichardt is searching for footage of the incident which left her 14-year-old daughter with
a “black eye, swollen face and possibly a cracked chin bone” after “something metal was thrown at her by the police.”
Her friend “had to lie over her to shield her from others running from the police,” Ms Reichardt said.
Mark Bergfeld of Education Activist Network said he had witnessed extreme levels of police brutality.
“I saw 14-year-olds carry out their friends with cracked heads and things like that. We don’t live in that kind of regime.”
Mr Stephenson attempted to shift the blame away from the Met and said he would launch a “full criminal investigation” into those responsible.
But Tory backbencher Mark Pritchard called for a full independent inquiry.
Over 200 protesters have been arrested since the first mass demonstration on November 10 – surpassing the 119 people arrested in connection with the Gaza demonstrations in December 2008 and January 2009.
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/98689
followed by:
44 students hospitalised, some of them children, & the BBC still headlining with the royals!
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The Morning Star article has a photo of a policeman pinning a protester down who seems to be screaming in agony.
A sample of what people are saying on the internet with which I agree.
I don’t think the ‘media grid’ run from Downing St has anything to do with Tom Paine. In this instance I believe this was a media stunt to ‘paint the establishment victim’ using the symbolic Royals and a stage-managed stunt. So that Cameron could fulminate ‘righteous indignation’ at the victims of his policy diktats.
Of course, an independent inquiry would likely lead straight back to PR man Cameron and Andy Coulson his spin doctor, in Downing St. I don’t think it’s remotely infantile to suggest such either. “The Grid’ that Alastair Campbell set up in Downing Street was used to lead the country into an illegal war with Iraq. All political ‘stories’ are managed from, and many created in, Downing Street. For sources you can refer to Campbell’s diaries, Lance Price’s ‘Spin Doctors Diary, or ‘Where Power Lies’. There’s plenty of information in the public domain of how the political class use the media to manipulate public opinion.
just read alfred’s repulsive comment telling dreoilin that as a feminist she has not right to say anything. What a wealth of patronising idiocy he brings to this site. Of course he will support the BNP, I wonder how much he likes the banned trolls?
Well it all shows quite clearly now who that a commoner’s life and well being is of little consequence to those who govern us.
And quite clearly now those who govern us are prepared to leave us with crumbs and shoot us if we don’t like them.
There’s only one way forward for us and that’s to revolt.
Somebody,
“Carrie Reichardt is searching for footage of the incident”
Has prompted me to think about building a web-site to enable upload of protest demo videos and reports. I have room on my server.
What should the domain be called? Suggestions appreciated.
Mark: fantastic idea.
citizencam, peopleweb, getreadynet – that sort of thing. Blunt, not too fancy.
Ruth, technicolour, ‘ugh boots’, yes, I think you are all correct in your recent posts.
I think we will see ‘Kent State’ again soon. All that will reveal – as did the scenes of a few night s ago – is the true nature of those who deign to govern over us, but who actually plunder at home and murder abroad. We are ruled by privateers – pirates.
Somebody, thanks for the good posts – I agree totally. It is disgusting, but of course entirely expected.
Do it, Mark. Great idea! If they can do it Iran…
If you end up getting your head bashed in on a demo it will probably be because you fell for the disinformation Hasbara shills like suehayl, oilman, technidick, bronsky, ingo et al are peddling on this blog.
They are CONTROLLED OPPOSITION and are quite happy to get you out on the streets to get “kettled” and battered as long as you never discover WHO and WHAT it is you’re really protesting against.
If you still haven’t worked it out yet- and if you visit this site a lot you won’t have-you are protesting against the elite which controls the state.
Do some research before you go on a demo and discover who exactly controls the media, money supply and politics.
By then you’ll have worked out who the policeman who’s bashing your head in works for!
As a bi-product you’ll have worked out that the shills who bore us shitless aren’t really your friends at all.
LET’S HEAR IT FOR THE PROPAGANDISTS!
http://www.dcdave.com/poet10/010610.html
citizencam.co.uk is available. Not sure if any UK site does a dedicated protest upload. Wish ‘George’ was still here our once resident Web ferret.
As for the “cock up” with the Prince and Camilla, it would seem obvious that this was pre-arranged and NO one will lose their job or be disciplined for it. Same as for the cop van that was left in Whitehall the other week to be trashed. They were both old models and left for the students or more likely paid activists to attack. Nothing in public life in this country is ever what it appears and whatever the mainstream media tells us is often the opposite of the truth. Media management and public perception is everything in this Orwellian age. I doubt if the cops were ever going to shoot anyone unless the royal party were in immediate danger. After the slaughter of the Brasillian electrician in 2005 and the outcry that ensued, it is unlikely the Met are going to try that one just now with tensions being already so high.
Steel
Love the dcdave poem!
Didn’t you forget clark kent and that guy, Golding, who pretends he works in a Childrens Home in Iraq?
The tedious horseshite these guys (de-)compose between each other overnight is enough to drive information-hungry people AWAY from the internet for good.
Which-like Julian Assange-is probably why they’re here!
Prostrate
Reckon suehayl is some kind of feminist cross-dresser?
Spends a lot of time exchanging excruciating trivia re-who’s your favourite rock band etc. with like-minded airheads………could be?
Make an ideal partner for Julian Assange one week-end in Stockholm…..
Nobody would say anything. Too PC!
Yes, that – re. the disconcerted duchess and much else – occurred to me, too, Parky. You’re right that there is an enormous amount of news and perception management.
Attacking the financial institutions of the parasitic apparatus that is the City of London is eminently logical. It’s an onshore tax haven, filled with numerous mafiosi, the representatives of an entirely corrupt system which feeds off the backs of the working and middle classes of this country. It is one of the epicentres of the cartelised military capitalist machine. It is essentially unregulated and is protected by the very state on which it feeds. It takes far more than it contributes. It is the thief in our midst.
You’re officially banned, apostate et al, but calling me ‘a hasbara shill’ is a load of motherfucking bullshit.
Just thought I’d make that clear.
So many trolls active again since the student protests. The cyberwar is in full swing on all fronts, it seems.
Some interesting links and other material recently here:
http://mindbodypolitic.com/
Mark:
“citizencam.co.uk is available”.
Go for it.
“Not sure if any UK site does a dedicated protest upload”.
Yf you can’t find one after 10 mins googling then even if there is one it won’t be much cop.
Cameron: “Police officers being dragged off their horses and beaten” ?
Not so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FORnsCu4SI&feature=player_embedded
Jon,
You ask “Alfred, if you really are posing under a different handle, why?”
I think the comments directed at me since you raised the question provide an answer that should be clear enough.
As you are I am sure aware there is bigotry of the left as well as of the right. During the ascendancy of the left over the last 50 years and more, the bigotry of the right has been closely scrutinized, severely condemned and for the most part made illegal. On the left, however, bigotry has flourished unconstrained and is now a toxic efflorescence that dominates much of public discourse.
By adopting different identities, I have been able to make particular points without having to deal with volleys of hate speech, leftist stereotyping and outright libel. For a moment, LOL seem an appropriate soubriquet in an environment as absurd as that which frequently develops here.
Specifically, consider Dreoilin. Oh she does not libel me directly, Instead, she says of her son,
“he is not racist. Or a royalist. He’s not sexist either.” Sniff.
Yes very sly. And the use of the term royalist is sly too.
It is an inappropriate term, but D. uses it I suspect in the belief that it will be understood as a synonym for monarchist, which it is not. And she knows, not being the moron she pretends to be, that I am for the preservation of Britain’s constitutional monarchy, which is the antithesis of monarchy.
And while we’re on that point, let me make that distinction absolutely clear.
Mon-archy is, literally, rule by the one, i.e., absolutism, autarchy or dictatorship. Britain’s last absolute monarch abandoned the throne in 1688. The constitutional monarchy that subsequently evolved, has ever since provided an effective obstacle to autocratic rule. It does so by confining to a hereditary institution the title and associated charisma, but not the powers, of Head of State, Head of the Armed Forces, and Head of the Church. Thus the British Government is headed by an elected Mr. Cameron, living at No. 10 Downing Street, Not his Royal Highness, King David the First, living in Buckingham Palace. A very sound arrangement in my view. But it is neither royalism nor monarchism.
Then there is the sad case of Suhayl Saadi. I had hopes for Suhayl, but at present his main response to anything I say is to yelp “racist”. And when I ask for the evidence he says “I really cannot be bothered… ”
A sad reply indeed. Although it confirms the absence of evidence, except of Suhayl’s delusional stereotyping.
Then, instead of apologizing, Suhaysl attacks my post at December 10, 2010 9:19 PM not for what is says, but because it is a criticism of Craig Murray’s position on the War, 9/11, his desire to tear Britain apart, his desire to tear down Britain’s system of government, etc..
These were reasoned criticisms. But apparently that is unacceptable. Why? Can Craig tolerate no criticism? Can he not rebut criticism?
And, Glenn, I am sure your defense of what you acknowledge to be Craig Murray’s lying stance on 9/11 is sincere, but to me it rings about as hollow as would an attempt to defend Tony Blair’s lies about Iraq’s WMD on the basis that he was speaking for reasons of state. The only thing I can say for CM’s stance on 9/11 is that its transparent absurdity may have been intentional.
Seems like sock-puppet is de rigeur Apostate – time to come clean perhaps – or are you a politician with two faces?
http://kitwithnail.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-follows-is-clumsily-written-but-my.html
Terrible
That story has concentrated my mind ‘somebody’ – for the young kids of tomorrow and to combat deception citizencam.co.uk will go live as soon as can code a decent upload facility.
One small request please – I need pictures from the protest to create a montage banner for the site heading. Please email pics to [email protected] soonest – thanks
Suhayl: “Some interesting links and other material recently here:
http://mindbodypolitic.com/”
Once again, Suhayl, you’re pushing 911 conspiracy nuttery. Don’t you have enough respect for Craig to not push that around here?
And how exactly do you think the Bush administration put the explosives in the buildings before the planes crashed? And do you believe that planes actually crashed?