BBC Shame

by craig on October 31, 2011 10:28 pm in Uncategorized

BBC journalism hit a new low today. The BBC News channel devoted only a single sentence to Palestine’s diplomatic coup in gaining full membership of Unesco. It used that single sentence once at 18.23 and once during the following hour. And this is that single sentence:

“Israel says that Unesco’s decision to admit Palestine to full membership will damage the prospects for peace in the Middle East.”

No other view was given, We did not hear what Palestine says, or what Unesco says, or what any of the huge majority of 107 countries which voted for Palestine say. The only view we were given was the Israeli view, and there was no questioning or discussion of that view.

“Israel says” – what an astonishing opening two words to a report on a great day for Palestinian diplomacy. Everyone connected with BBC News should be utterly ashamed. Why don’t we just save the license fee and let Netanyahu’s office broadcast the news instead?

The vote incidentally was 107 to 14. It was a humiliating defeat for US diplomacy. Latvia, Tuvalu and Uzbekistan are among the states which did not follow the US lead against Palestine but which always have done in the past. The USA was also unable to coerce a single African state – I am proud of Africa, and Ghana in particluar.

Here is the list of the pathetic 14, the overwhelmingly defeated states which tried to block Palestine and which either have extreme neo-con governments or are completely susceptible to US aid blackmail – you can decide which are which:

Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Germany, Israel, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Palau, Panama, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Sweden, United States of America, Vanuatu.

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  1. Dick the Prick

    31 Oct, 2011 - 10:36 pm

    Bit surprised Blighty didn’t vote against it.

  2. I would like to see the list of those who abstained too.

  3. Yay, Unesco! Boo, BBC!
    What are the chances that this voting pattern could be reflected in the UN General Assembly? Of course the US would wield the veto, but confounding such a huge majority would ultimately diminish their diplomatic gravitas throughout the world. And not before time.

  4. The US government has cut off tens of millions of dollars in annual funding to the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) after it voted to admit Palestine as a full member.
    It has been made clear to us that ‘OCCUPYXXX’ is about finance and ethics – ne’er the twain shall meet.
    RIDE ON!

  5. Nextus

    You asked for abstentions:

    Albania, Andorra, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cook Islands, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Fiji, Georgia, Haiti, Hungary, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kiribati, Latvia, Liberia, Mexico, Monaco, Montenegro, Nauru, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Switzerland, Thailand, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Zambia.

    I expect the voting pattern at the UNGA would be similar, but of course it needs security council approval so the US will veto. Momentum is important and it is possible some abstainers will move to the yes camp.

  6. Albania, abstained?! Bastardos!

  7. So strange – I cannot find a headline at all in the ‘Telegraph On-line’ and the ‘Independent’ comment will NOT to load on my system:

  8. The BBC is hardly ‘pro-Israel’ … quite the CONTRARY. So … I don’t know where you’re coming from … Actually … normal people … read that to mean a ‘put down’ of Israel … a jab at Israel … because THAT’S BBC BS … don’t believe a word THEY say … make your own most informed opinions

  9. Palestine’s admission is excellent news. I would also agree with describing neo-con governments who voted against as pathetic – but not the ones subject to US blackmail. At a minimum that would include Palau, Samoa, Solomon Islands and Vanuatu – but then the US is probably a big enough bully to blackmail all of them, frankly. It is saddening that smaller states give in to bullying, but the US could easily bankrupt them – what country would not wish to protect its citizens from that? I am not defending acquiescence, but I am not sure I’d label it harshly either – it is a choice between a rock and a hard place.
    Your post reminded me to look at how the US bullies small states into voting for “US interests” at the UN – simply do a web search for “That was the most expensive ‘no’ vote you ever cast” (the words of a US diplomat after a country failed to do US bidding at the UN). One such result article is here:

  10. Disappointing that the Czechs voted against as they ought to know something about being occupied. However, I note their government ministers were at the Herzliya Conference in Israel with Fox and Werrity

  11. This kind of thing always reminds me of the behaviour of the BBC, in relation to the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) appeal, during Israel’s attack on Gaza (operation ‘Cast Lead’).They, of course refused to transmit the appeal. Because the corporation had to remain ‘impartial’. Over 1000 people died in the offensive, but auntie beebs ‘impartiality’, of course, had to be protected.

    فى صحتك: *************** GOOD LUCK PALESTINE ***************

  13. Bosnia abstained?! Bastardos!

  14. Odd that Sweden voted against, no?
    On this subject (of MSM bias), read Greg Philo and David Miller’s excellent book, ‘Bad News from Israel’.

  15. On the admittance of Palestine to the UN, if the UNESCO vote is a useful guide, the EU is thus likely to have a tripartite split, with Germany & the Netherlands in the ‘No’ camp, the UK, Italy & Poland abstaining, and France, Belgium Ireland & Spain supporting Palestinian recognition.

    When the crunch comes, we can therefore expect Baroness Ashton to keep a low profile, as a more fitting illustration of the uselessness and redundancy of her role is unlikely to occur for some time.

  16. Says it all, really…
    True OldMark – she is still Lord President of the Queen’s Privy Council.

  17. The UK abstention was of course a compromise – unfortunately that word is almost a profanity in this context.
    The civilised world has (possibly uniquely in my experience) given both the USA and Israel the finger. It’s about time the UK had the bottle to do the same. The US has responded to UNESCO with threats and tantrums – as usual. We should respond by ditching the ‘special arrangement’ (aka the US shouts and we jump) which has already lasted far too long.
    We could always start small by junking their culture-fascism which subverts our own traditions and language and floods our TV screens. No reason why we can’t be friends with both countries – but friendship and abject subservience are not the same.

    As for the BBC – I haven’t believed a word they say since the South Atlantic War. Just witness an interview this evening about the St Paul’s demo, where a sarcastic Tory MP was given a shockingly easy ride.

  18. @Suhayl “Odd that Sweden voted against, no?”
    Sweden is as neocon zionist as it goes. Sweden no longer have any independent foreign policy, it’s all dictated by USrael. Sweden has e.g. completely disbanded its military force to the extent that it nowadays consists of a few platoons on soldiers, a few ships and planes, that are sent out to support the US terror-wars, all for propaganda purposes. Plus, of course, a HQ filled with well paid higher rank officers doing nothing except spending tax money on the administration of nothing.
    Sweden is also the high tech Mecca for citizen surveillance where every electronic communication is intercepted by the military intelligence, processed and then handed over to the zionists in US in exchange for thin air promises that the country will be “protected” in case of war.
    Of the very few swedish politicians that had the guts to stand up for Palestine the two most prominent were killed, the rest have sold their should to the devil. So, no it’s not odd, it’s expected.

  19. World ruled by Vileness

    1 Nov, 2011 - 2:19 am

    Did “Libya” vote for Palestine? Barry must be scratching his head in the Oval Office.

  20. It’s a very sorry thing to see the BBC behave the way it does. But that’s pretty much because it’s frightened, is leaned upon, and wants to uphold itself as an institution. It’s doing what it has always done, acting as an arm of the state.
    The last time we had genuine journalism at the BBC was when it dared to hint the truth, that the Iraq Dossier had been “sexed up” at the behest of the government via a thug called Cambell. That sort of behaviour just wouldn’t do, and the BBC was seriously put back in its place.
    Serious journalism, such as the World In Action documentaries which featured genuine reporting from the likes of Pilger, were put paid to back in the 80’s, under Thatcher. Rogue operators like that couldn’t be tolerated, ITN just had to be broken up, and for-profit operators who understood where their interests lay replacing them. The BBC knows the score, and that these ConDems would happily see the BBC broken up and handed off to Murdoch and Desmond if they could get away with it.

  21. BBC Shame!
    Why shame?
    Lying for the state is what the BBC is for.
    Its first Director General, Lord Reith, served at the beginning of WW2 as Minister of Information, i.e., disinformation.
    Anyhow, what the hell else, other than telling lies, do you think the BBC is for?
    By supposing that the current piece of pathetic piece of Zionist propaganda is somehow exceptional or exceptionally egregious you give the impression that the BBC is generally or could generally be a good thing.
    Well bollocks to that.
    But of course all the liberal bollocks spewed by the BBC you thoroughly applaud.

  22. Sleeps O'Nights

    1 Nov, 2011 - 6:08 am

    Is there a list of countries which voted FOR somewhere? It can’t be done by elimination because the numbers don’t add up – some countries must have gone for a fag break or something.
    I can’t find it on the UNESCO site.

  23. deepgreenpuddock

    1 Nov, 2011 - 7:09 am

    While i am also skeptical of the BBC’s ‘neutrality’ and commitment to reporting inconvenient truth, especially since the David Kelly affair seemed to kill off any residual confidence to challenge government information, I have just been listening to Today on Radio 4 and there was an unequivocal denouncement of the situation in Uzbekistan where the absurdity and hypocrisy of the US position was clearly stated.
    is it possible that the the blog is creating such a widespread awareness of the real position that the bigger news outlets have no choice but to follow, lest they expose themselves to ridicule.

  24. DTP wrote “Bit surprised Blighty didn’t vote against it.”
    I wonder if the UK is trying to ditch the image of being puppet of the US due to the Fox/Werritty/Hague scandal so that when an investigation into Atlantic Bridge and Werritty’s nefarious business deals hits the fan they can at least point to one occasion when they did not fully kowtow (though an abstention far from indicates support for Palestine’s membership).

  25. The BBC always drops down on the side of Israel. Their claims to impartiality are frankly a joke. Anybody needing evidence of that should have watched their coverage of the Gaza flotilla,it was like watching the IDF broadcasting the news. Anyway I only look at the BBC for the local news now.Good to see some real democracy in action at UNESCO. Keep up the good work Craig.

  26. Here are the yes votes:

    Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Chad, Chile, China, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Honduras, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Luxembourg, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Qatar, Russian Federation, Sant Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Slovenia, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

  27. deepgreenpuddock what was the context of the uzbekistan reference today?

    On uzbekistan if nothing else I think this blog gennuinely has shifted the entire perception and terms of debate of the mainstream media

  28. ZBC pmitted any reference to the UK’s weaselly abstention. They did say that Israel and US voted against with an emphasis as if that was the right thing to do. Of course they did not say that Obomber will withdraw funding of $60 million to UNESCO.

    They are REVOLTING.

    Here is a nice video of the proceedings when there is cheering at the result.
    Palestine granted full Unesco membership – video
    The UN cultural and educational agency Unesco has granted Palestine full membership in a move that Israel and the United States say could harm Middle East peace efforts. Delegates approved the membership by 107 votes to 14. ‘Long live Palestine!’ shouted one delegate, in French, at the meeting of Unesco’s general conference

    Is Tzatz above from Kensington Green or perhaps Portland Place?

  29. Larry Levin

    1 Nov, 2011 - 8:38 am

    I dont bother watching BBC/SKY or any other zionist news source, I watch PressTV soon to be shut down by offcom, offcom is staffed by people with conflicts of interest. I also use a rss reader to gather news from about 53 websites. Technology will make BBC lies obsolete.

    BBC is a joke, BBC = establishment propaganda. UKIP did a study into BBC reporting of the European issue it found them to be biased.

  30. Larry Levin

    1 Nov, 2011 - 8:40 am

    I remember watching one question time where the discussion was about terrorism and a wise audience member pointed out that Israel was established using terrorism. Governments don’t like terrorism because they want to keep it a monopoly for themselves.

  31. Larry Levin

    1 Nov, 2011 - 8:42 am

    We should organise a petition to have bbc disbanded, just leave radio 2,3,4,5L and world service alone,

    Why dont we all complain , write to the BBC, ask our MP to table some questions.

  32. I heard Craig here at this massive rally in Hyde Park and Kensington when Cast Lead was being enacted on Gaza.

  33. and here speaking to a reporter at a rally in Whitehall after the attack on the Mavi Marmara. Can’t find his actual speech.

  34. Hey, Kyrgyzstan’s grown a pair since the elections. For Palestine at UNESCO, and now this:
    Looks like the US/Israel hate campaign against Iran has just invoked the Law of Unintended Consequences (again).

  35. This was in 2006 when Israel was attacking Lebanon. Amazing speech.

  36. It’s worth remembering that UNESCO has form in its readiness to embrace controversy.
    The Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls was inscribed as a World Heritage Site in 1981 (proposed by Jordan). On the WH List it is entered under Jerusalem rather than Israel or Jordan – the text is at

    The arguments over the site’s inscription – and being put on the List of World Heritage in Danger in 1982 – involve the complexities of the convention’s wording and of UNESCO’s politics. In the case of Palestine becoming a member of UNESCO the UK decision to abstain rather than vote against may have been influenced by its own ( and the USA’s) fractured relationship with the organization. Coalition politics may also have come into it.

  37. Agree with Glenn. The BBC is a house divided against itself, I think. It has always had a high proportion of Jewish staff; (in my grandfather’s day, as now) and alignment with Israel is almost inevitable. It is also forced to compete on uneven terms with the likes of Sky for any audience going, including the lowest common denominator. Radio Four did supply some details of the UNESCO vote, but with little commentary. The best bet with the BBC is to follow up any items of interest elsewhere, I find.

  38. Russia Today RT on satellite and freeview is worth a look for an alternative to the BBC/Sky rubbish. They at least have honest discussions with experts in their fields and don’t just interview their own reporters or establishment politicians with pre-arranged questions and answers. Can PressTV be banned by Ofcom? Surely Ofcom can’t control Astra who are based in Luxembourg, own the satellite and can do business with who they like.

  39. Not Palestine but how they carried the message for war on Libya.
    Posted by the Medialens editors, David Cromwell and David Edwards.
    War in Libya – BBC News: Gallery of Rogues
    Posted by The Editors on November 1, 2011, 9:35 am

    BBC correspondents and news presenters:
    The same is happening for war on Syria as you will have heard and seen.

  40. It was covered on the BBC 10 o’clock news on BBC in a fair amount of detail.

  41. Soo ashamed of the German vote against, thats the CDU for you.

    My second thoughts, interupted by extreme overhead flights of the RAF, on some positive moves possible in the ME.
    I have reposted it here as it does offer a great chance for us to get involved.

    It is now, that one should pressurise the Friends of Israel to make good for their dastardly deeds and their secret plans for war. Last nights Newsnight attendance of Mr. Moulton vouches for Liam Fox’s incincerity, Mr. Werrity is obviously some broker of information, Mossad or not, so why don’t the Friends of Israel join in with those influentual jews who are calling for the release of Marwan and try and make good their grave mistakes?

    Such a move would be akin to a jolt, a politcal earthquake, change would be guaranteed. Barghouti would ‘really’ re-unite the two factions and Jews, once again, could share their neighbourhood with Palestinians, once again could their children play and go to school together.

    Israel, by its own policies, has for decades imported their diaspora, although they failed to entice Irans jews with $10.000/head. In refusing the shekel they made a point for their rights, enshrined in the Iranian Constitution, a vital part of their society Israel can’t provide.

    Israel must realise that it is as multicultural as the rest of us and that it will have to accomodate all that live in Palestine, fair and equal.
    Whatever Israel is planning in future, they will be better served with Marwan Barghouti being a free man. He respects his people like they respect him and the day of his release would mean an end to Hamas hardline policies. That said, he will have some dangerous month ahead of him and I can think of many reasons why settlers/Hamas would like to get rid of him, he is a uniter.

    Israel has historically calmed those behind its back before it went to war, so it is very likely that they want to release Marwan. This does not mean that he’ll agree to do their calming, but it would throw a buoy into rough seas, for others to cling on.

    Further, for the first time in seven years, according to Sharon’s hardline deputy Dov Weinglass, who attacked Bibi for his pathetic record of doing nothing, there would be a chance to please their great big sponsor in the sky, the US, who is exasperated into following up one stupid veto in the UN Sec. with another withdrawl of Unesco cash.

    For decades now the US has paddled against the stream of many UN decisions, for its allegiance to Israel, despite hardline policies and its ignorance of UN resolutions, two naughty boys thumbing it at the whole class. Thuis is changing, they are being told off, on their way to the corner.

    If Mr. Murphy wants to make a mark within his own Labour party, or just as shadow defense minister, then he can give a telling sign to Israel, that he wants to see a more peacefull relation between all that live there.
    If Mr. Murphy has any balls and/or peacefull policy ideas, then he speaks up for Marwans release NOW!

    This goes for any other FoIsrael who has yet not grasp the idea that it takes two to Tango and that its not good to refuse negotiations.

    Thanks Ian for clarifying UNESCO’s attitudes of the past, maybe the Russian Federation would like to pick up the US tab. Off course, this would mean less influence for uncle Sam and grind somehow, but such pettyfoggery needs addressing.

    Mary, you are right, the same blueprint and the same denial of involvement by NATO, at first.

  42. Lest we forget the biggest state sponsored terroist outfit of them all, the CIA.

  43. Excerpts from Glenn Greenwald’s new book,
    With Liberty and Justice for Some: How the Law is Used to Destroy Equality and Protect the Powerful
    ‘The members of the political and media establishment do not join forces against the investigations and prosecutions because they believe that nothing bad was done. On the contrary, they resist accountability precisely because they know there was serious wrongdoing — and they know they bear part of the culpability for it. The consensus mantra that the only thing that matters is to “make sure it never happens again” is simply the standard cry of every criminal desperate for escape: I promise not to do it again if you don’t punish me this time. And the Beltway battle cry of “look to the future, not the past!” is what all political power systems tell their subjects to do when they want to flush their own crimes down the memory hole.
    In the long run, immunity from legal accountability ensures that criminality and corruption will continue. Vesting the powerful with license to break the law guarantees high-level lawbreaking; indeed, it encourages such behavior. One need only look at what’s happened in the United States over the last decade to see the proof.’

    The same here of course except I don’t think we hear any apologies, certainly not from Blair, Brown or Cameron.

  44. Barry Whooshing Oboombang

    1 Nov, 2011 - 11:56 am

    Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya all voted for Palestine.

    Order more bombs!

  45. Sunflower, re. Sweden, thanks. I must’ve been mixing it up with Norway, possibly? Unforgivably silly of me.

  46. Radio-4’s most-important-story-in-the-world? The cricket scandal, of course. This led the 12:00 news, playing for the first 1’20” of the under three minute bulletin. It began with a breathless, “Just in the last few minutes, news has come in…” What’s the betting on the main story for the World at One?
    It seems whenever there’s anything the BBC would rather not report, out come the cricket correspondents. Full details, background, comments from various (usually foreign) players/ managers, and then over to the sports correspondent to pad it out further. Unbelievable.

  47. “It seems whenever there’s anything the BBC would rather not report, out come the cricket correspondents.”

    Or Robert Peston. He’s good for a quarter of an hour of drivel at the drop of a cheque.

  48. “The USA was also unable to coerce a single African state – I am proud of Africa, and Ghana in [particular].”

    Maybe the first chickens are coming home to roost after Africans saw what the USA and NATO did to Libya.

  49. Uzbek in the UK

    1 Nov, 2011 - 1:44 pm

    Uzbekistan voted ‘yes’. Karimov is probably trying to balance his weight on both chairs (US vs China-Russia). And also learning from previous mistakes not to keep all eggs in one basket. Or probably US/Israel did not bother to pay Karimov few million quid so he decided to vote ‘yes’.

  50. Glenn, the cricket scandal of last year has also made number one on the 1 o’clock news, second item, George catnip Osborne desperate to make last three month figures of 0.5% sound grand and important, good news.

    Radio 4 and the BBC at large should pick up the debate and let it grow, not bury it amongst wannabe news. Managing consent at its most obvious.

    Tom, I agree with you, Africa has spine and I hope it stays that way.

  51. It’s a familiar pattern, actually. Overwhelmingly, the first report they hear or read is the one people will remember. Often one will find more complex reportage in later bulletins; this may be partly because the team has had time to write something up and partly for the reason outlined above. The BBC will argue – and I have spoken to BBC producers who do argue this – that they get lots of letters, etc. complaining about the BBC’s alleged ‘pro-Palestinian bias’, and they use this to argue that coverage must be reasonably balanced. They ignore the fact that the Zionist lobby has massive, organised groups of letter/e-mail, etc. writers who are primed to flood the BBC with letters, ‘hone-calls, e-mails, etc. whenever an aggressively pro-Israel message is not adhered to. So, far from being a sign of the BBC’s impartiality, it’s actually simply a manifestation of the way in which the BBC is lobbied by a group with a particular agenda to adhere to a specific bias while allowing it conveniently to beleive/argue its neutrality in the matter.

  52. The US bullied a number of countries to abstain? OK.

    Now for the other side’s POV. The Arab states bullied how many countries exactly?

  53. Here’s who voted for, including Uzbekistan:
    Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Chad, Chile, China, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Honduras, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Luxembourg, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Qatar, Russian Federation, Sant Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Slovenia, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe
    I can’t find out which way Taiwan voted.

  54. Uzbek in the UK

    1 Nov, 2011 - 4:13 pm

    Lets all stop paying TV Licence fee. Why should we if we do not get impartial news anyway? Do we just pay so that their CEOs can hire personal limos and have their travel expenses paid? Let them advertise and let us spend our 130 quid onto something that benefit us more.

  55. Mike, the USA are withdrawing funding for UNESCO because of this decision, because they do no like the democratic decision reached by UNESCO. “The Arab countries” – for all their many faults, they are not a monolithic as your turn of phrase might be taken to suggest – did not threaten to withdraw funding if the decision went again them. And what evidence do you have that “the Arab countries” “bullied” countries? They bullied the People’s Republic of China??? Russia??? India??? Brazil??? Come on, Mike, you can do better than that!

  56. Larry Levin

    1 Nov, 2011 - 4:27 pm

    Its easy to avoid paying the licence fee, just send a letter to tv licensing saying you are removing he implied right of access to your property to tv licensing and any of its agents. Never speak to them at the door, the offence is “watching a tv without a licence” how do they know who is watching, only by you incriminating yourself can they know you have broken the law.

  57. Uzbek in the UK

    1 Nov, 2011 - 4:38 pm

    Larry Levin,
    If only it was as easy as you say. If you owe a taxman 100 quid he will come for you and take you to the court and make you pay much more than you owe him. If you owe a taxman 100 million quid he will be powerless to do anything to you because you spend 1 million quid for lawyers and they will make sure that there is a loophole in the law that allows you to a taxman. Is not it fascinating?

  58. Uzbek in the UK

    1 Nov, 2011 - 4:45 pm

    Arab countries certainly have no guts to bully countries like China, Russia, India etc. But they have influence over other smaller nations (they can at least bribe them) BUT they did not need to bully anyone because Israel has enough enemies around the world and not at least for their close alignment with the US and its foreign policy.
    And for what it takes Arabs as Suhayl pointed out are not united. There are over 200 million Arabs who speak the same language, have common ethnic roots, common history, common culture, common religion BUT divided over dozens of countries and partially thanks to colonialism.

  59. R4 at 1800 –
    18 minutes of some irregularity involving cricket (lead) and the painful death of the Euro (second feature, with added Peston) Then a quick mention of St.Paul’s, and a descent into stuff we already knew. Oh, and G4S has decided not to buy a cleaning firm. Who? What? Did anything happen anywhere today?

  60. If I want to know what British foreign policy is in regard to a particular matter in the news I tune into BBC News 24.

  61. @Suhyal Yes, Norway has maintained a reasonable middle-east policy and open with the recognition of the Palestinian state. They were severely punished for that too, in the so-called “lone-man” attack on Oslo and the Utoya island. There are many eyewitnesses saying there were several shooters on the island. The Oslo incident bears the mark of a black-op and we can guess who was behind it. Interesting enough in the first speech after the attack the Norwegian PM stated that Norway will not bow to external pressure. Why would he say that if the attack was carried out by a lone nut, even thought the nut is a documented pro-zionist?

  62. Komodo: I didn’t bother with the 18:00 news. PM was bad enough – a _lengthy_ section on some foreigners who’ve been caught cheating at cricket, and we were treated to repeated playbacks of what they bragged was the most annoying sound going. They weren’t far wrong either, it sounded like a violin being played hard and slow below the bridge. Don’t know what actually produced it, it had gone beyond my point of tolerance to hear the full report on that one. I swear they want people to just turn off and forget about troubling themselves with the news.

  63. Yeah, I missed the details on the noise,too, but they would have been just as well replacing the news with it.

    However the short summary at 2000 contained an extra item, which the media are just picking up on. This is a restrained version:
    I imagine the BBC will disappear it as soon as they can.

  64. PS, Gaza and the West Bank’s computer users enjoyed a major DDOS attack tonight. Can’t think who’d want to do that, can you?

  65. No mention @ 2100 roundup. Bent cricketers, bust Euro, St Paul’s convolutions, Michael Jackson’s doctor….jesus.

  66. @Suhayl “Odd that Sweden voted against, no?”
    The current prime minister of Sweden uses Karl Rove as a political advisor. I think that explains Sweden’s actions.
    The No Countries form two blocks:
    Czech Republic, Lithuania, Palau, Panama, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu.
    Australia, Canada, Germany, Israel, the Netherlands, Sweden, United States of America.
    I imagine the support from the former block will have been purchased by the US, so the real opponents are just the seven in the second block.

  67. Let’s just step back and be simpletons and ask the simpleton question: How the hell does that happen? How the hell does a tiny little nothing country perpetually have all these great nations bow to its will? Israel has nothing anybody wants: no vital products, no oil, no nothing. So… why do we perpetually kowtow to them?
    What If I was to declare that Israel achieves this by way of corruption, blackmail, and diaspora Jews whose allegiance lays not with their country of residence but with the Jewish State. Would that argument fall at the first hurdle? Or indeed any of them apart from the hoary old chestnut of anti-semitism?
    These are the most wicked and corrupt people on the planet. Between them and their Oded Yinon declared enemies (which just happen to be those countries not practising usurous banking) and whom we are dutifully bombing back to the stone age, we’re on the wrong side.

  68. Hey Nobody … it’s called anti-Semitism by anyones definition …

    It’s right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion … don’t look now there’s somebody behind the curtain … I said DON’T LOOK!

    Sheesh … I thought ONLY Neanderthals … idiots … nincompoops … believed that BS …

    If the shoe fits … ?

  69. The Swedish no was because of internal politics within the ruling center-right coalition. We have one strong pro-israel party which is also has the education ministry and handles our representation at Unesco. Since our prime minister is uninterested in foreign policy the pro-israel party got to decide this one.

  70. Thanks for that Mathias, I hope you are well. What is going to happen to Assange if and when he is exorcised from this totalitarian state to one of the most happiest country on earth.
    I suppose the happiness comes from the obligatory distill’s many sport in their back gardens….:)

    I also hope that your regualr Government will have enough spine to reject a US extradition request, knowing full well what sort of treatment he will receive from US torturers, I can’t see Sweden wanting to downgrade its image further, giving Nobel peace prices to warmongers who blow up the most dynamite is seriously daqmaging as it is.

  71. Hi Ingo. I am well, though it is unfortunate that my very pro-palestinian green party is not in power. Then we would not have to be ashamed about how Seden votes in UN bodies.

    I think Assange may have to spend quite some time locked up awaiting trial, and that Sweden will be justly blamed for this practice. If he is unlucky he may also face a biased lower court. He will in any case get a fair trial after an appeal.

    Or he could be released after just one hearing. Depends on the prosecutor.

    In order to extradite someone from Sweden he must have committed a crime that is punishable by at least one year in prison in Sweden. It must not be a political crime. I cannot see that Wikileaks has done anything that would be a crime in Sweden, so I don’t understand how we could extradite Assange.

  72. Thanks for that Mathias, does one have to be charged with a crime before extradition can commence, because he is as yet not been charged with anything.
    I fear that the UK will be the second nodding donkey in this extradition game, see the Assange thread.
    I’m also sad that the greens in Sweden have not done better, some radicval new policies are needed, maybe? 😉

  73. Wiki: Sde Boker.

    A large agricultural farm or small village existed here in the early Islamic period, from the late 7th century to the early 9th century.[1] Remains of dozens of structures exist, including a mosque near which hundreds of Arabic inscriptions were found.[1]

    The kibbutz was established on 15 May 1952.

    In 1953 Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion resigned from office and moved to the kibbutz. Although he returned to politics in 1955, he continued to live in the kibbutz until his death in 1973, when he was buried nearby at Midreshet Ben-Gurion aside his wife Paula Ben-Gurion. Ben-Gurion moved to the kibbutz due to his vision of cultivating the arid Negev desert and building up its surrounding towns such as Yeruham and Dimona. He believed that eventually the Negev would be home to many Jews who would move to Israel after having made aliyah, and he felt that Sde-Boker was a trailblazer and example for what should follow.

    Midreshet Sde Boker is otherwise known as Midreshet Ben-Gurion, isn’t it, Tzatz? I think you’d know. Settler.

  74. Indeed, Sunflower, I thought the same wrt the Norwegian PM’s speech. Yonatan, yes, thanks for that, I think you’re correct. Uzbek in the UK, yep, it’s true, what you say about the Arab countries. Furthermore, right now, most of them are likely to far too preocupied with internal strife and power struggles in their own cities to bother exerting much leverage wrt Palestine, even if their lackey-leaders wanted to (which they don’t).

  75. Thanks Tzatz,

    I do love predictability. The shoe fits mate because it’s the only one you got. Here, see if you can guess who said this in response to being asked about anti-semitism:
    “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.”
    Meanwhile the simpleton, neanderthal, idiot, nincompoop question still sits there. Why do the great nations of the world all bow down to Israel? Why are we fighting the people topping Oded Yinon’s shit list? Between the Muslims with the oil and the Jews who have nothing we need why are we fighting the former? Why does middle-class Israel recieve more of the US’s foreign aid than all the other countries in the world put together? You got any answer beyond, ‘Because they’re so deserving’?
    PS. Excellent ad hominems by the way. “We have two main weapons – accusations of anti-semitism, and ad hominem. And a fanatical devotion to Israel! Three main weapons! Our three weapons are…”

  76. Raquel Scotch

    6 Nov, 2011 - 10:46 am

    Are the mods sleeping on the job? 13 consecutive posts of commercial spam!

  77. Another link to Werrity! Can’t believe no one has picked up on this leaked email from Bicom, a company who contributed funding to Atlantic Bridge. They paid for Werrity’s hotel and flights when he attended an Israeli conference in 2009 and talked up the Iranian “threat”. Bicom regularly lobby news organisations to present biased perspectives on the I/P conflict and they also chaperone British journalists on their visits to Israel. Needless to say, the media have ignored this dynamite, because it implicates some heavy-hitters. Here follows a choice sample of the email (emphasis added):

    “Throughout the weekend, BICOM staff were in contact with a whole host of BBC and SKY news desks and journalists, ENSURING THAT THE MOST OBJECTIVELY FAVOURABLE LINE WAS TAKEN, and offering talking heads, relevant to the stories unfolding.”

    Here is the email in full:

    Down the rabbit hole we go.

  78. Craig, I have long noticed how the beeb supress Palestinian voices, i only wonder whether it’s out of fear or complicity.

  79. John Robertson

    11 Nov, 2011 - 5:34 am

    “Australia, Canada, Germany, Israel, the Netherlands, Sweden, United States of America.
    I imagine the support from the former block will have been purchased by the US, so the real opponents are just the seven in the second block.”

    Yonatan, you have it right on the button as far as Australia is concerned. As Wikileaks brought out.. the US ambassador said of this country, “rock solid with the US but pretty insignificant”
    Shows the “high regard” they have for us, but with a PM who said of Cast Lead Israel has a right to defend itself. She also flatly refused any contact with Gaza on one of her (probably) Israeli paid visits there.
    To-day it is reported the US will now rotate Marines through a base in Darwin, but the announcement will be made by Obomber on his visit here. (26hrs he will give us)
    Cheers up there, (and please don’t mention cricket.)

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