Goebbels Broadcasting Corporation and Koran Burning 68


BBC World has just lead its 9am headline with “More protests in Kabul over the inadvertent buning of the Koran by NATO troops”.

The word “inadvertent” has been interpolated since the 8am headlines. Who was responsible for its introduction?

It seems to me simply untrue that the Korans were burnt “inadvertently”. The BBC have just reported that they were being burnt in an “incineration pit”. That is not inadvertent. The US story is that the Korans were used to smuggle messages. If the books contained hidden messages, the Americans would have been analysing them, not burning them. They would certainly have been subjected to scrutiny, and it is therefore impossible that the Americans did not know they were Korans they were burning.

Inadvertent no. Inexplicably stupid yes.


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68 thoughts on “Goebbels Broadcasting Corporation and Koran Burning

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  • ingo

    Obamas brave soldiers abroad, and those who pulp civilians from great hight, whilst slurping slusher on ice, somewhere in an airconditioned shack near vegas, are using more bullets than ever.
    Since the man got elected the arms dealers have gone crazy with profits, the NRA loves the man! What this means is that the US elections are over, Obama won.

    What a calamity for the BBC, they will have to find something else to talk about, cue ex ministers driving license points court case and maybe a war or two.

    http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/227912.html

  • Arthur Askey

    More protests in Kabul over the inadvertent buning of the Koran by NATO troops
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    I’ve inadvertently pointed out a typo (and buggered me first post).

  • Arthur Askey

    Whhaa, It’s going from bad to worse. Please help clean up my mess moderator. I just wanted to highlight “buning”. 🙂

  • Passerby

    Mary
    Note the omission of the fact that the Journalist and her photographer were smuggled into the country, without so much as having a green shield stamp, never mind the usual visa.
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    These “illegal asylum seekers/illegal immigrants” then set about reporting; about “Activists” (nice word denoting the t shirt wearing bunch of protesters, armed with banners and posters, who had applied to the Syrian police for the relevant permission to march and gather in numbers of more than ten. As well as having paid the £2500 fee for road closures to the relevant local authorities) plight.
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    The desperately innocent little possums getting shelled by “Assad regime” not the Syrian government. A far cry fro the fact about the gun wielding militia roaming the streets of the cities and towns of Syria shooting at random killing civilians and military personnel are not matters of interest.
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    Although so far, evidently Syrian tanks that are photographed as blown apart and charred hulks, have not been explained away as: “Assad regime” tanks in sympathy with the “Free Syrian Army” have been self harming and committing self immolation by blowing themselves apart.

  • Iain Orr

    I have seldom seen such universal agreement with one of Craig’d posts, so I thought: “How might one defend the BBC?” It’s hard, but not impossible, eg:

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    A) Somme gifted cyberthief has cloned not just the BBC website but all its radio and TV output and has made these Orwellian modifications. Gifted though the Israelis are, it taxes my ability to find conspiracy theories everywhere to think this possible. So,
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    B) Since the Gilligan fiasco, the pusillanimous BBC has accepted the imposition of a government appointed editorial team to check all the BBC’s output. A bit more plausible, but I don’t think we’ve lost quite so much of our freedoms as that … yet. So,

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    C) in Holmesian fashion, I am left to conclude that when all the possible explanations have been found wanting, what’s left has to be true i.e that the BBC has of its own volition decided on an extensive programme of self-censorship.

    Er, that’s it as far as being able to defend the BBC goes.

  • Tom Welsh

    If some foolhardy maniacs were to raise an armed rebellion against the US federal government, and then a foreign reporter (say French, or maybe Russian) were to come and interview them while the jets whistled in and the artillery limbered up, how much sympathy would that reporter get from Americans if she were blown apart?

  • Alan Campbell

    Oh please. How silly. Read the Telegraph and Spectator and they’ll accuse the Beeb of being a hotbed of Marxism. Come on here and it’s the propaganda arm of the Nazis. The fact that they upset both extremes makes me think they’re getting it about right.

  • Fedup

    While the despicable Assad Regime is being rubbished, for all the violence, the dictatorship, and being a plain case of a poopy pants regime.
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    Yemeni elections of a single candidate is heralded as a triumph of democracy . The Comical spin piece in the zioBBc finding crappola to spin on, then resorts to;
    Brigadier Yahia Saleh is a jovial figure in a smart uniform and with a neatly trimmed moustache.
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    This description apparently is designed to explain away the hoard of Salehs in charge of every department of every ministry that will aid the elected president who was also hand-picked by Saleh before his departure to Isreal en route to US, incidentally he (Saleh) is going back to Yemen, just in case.
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    The mass murder of Yemeni, ordered by Saleh and aided and abetted by Saudi and US somehow never made it into the “news”, however the single person elections of the new president (old vice president) of democratic Yemen is cause for celebrating the unrelenting progress of democracy!
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    Then the farticle follows;
    <i.The soldiers are all extremely well dressed, equipped and disciplined.

    As we watched, they carried out a mock house clearing operation. It was clear to see by the way they moved that they had been trained by Americans.
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    This introduction over with, Al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula (that Osama and his terror franchise) is referred to, getting the audiences ready for the next campaign of slaughter of the Yemenis rejecting the single candidate elections as a reward for their blood price, they have paid so far.
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    {http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17112797}

  • Fedup

    Alan Campbell,
    Telegraph et al verily believe Hitler was a crypto communist, and indeed they have a case too; Hitler founded a party with “socialist” incorporated/associated with/in its name.
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    So perhaps you are right in believing; zioBBC indeed is an impartial and independent and accurate and honest, and factual, …… source of news. Doubtless you also rightly believe in; tooth fairies, and all manner of hobgoblinary, as well as elves, Yeti and Nessy, like any other red blooded well informed soul.

  • Salamander

    Alan Campbell:
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    “Read the Telegraph and Spectator and they’ll accuse the Beeb of being a hotbed of Marxism. Come on here and it’s the propaganda arm of the Nazis. The fact that they upset both extremes makes me think they’re getting it about right.”
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    The superficial gloss of the BBC’s reporting is indeed liberal, so the criticisms of it by the conservative press might be considered valid – provided one doesn’t dig too deep and figure out that in terms of the basic message of “what the Government is fighting”, the BBC completely toes the Establishment line.
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    “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.” – Lenin

  • alan campbell

    Dear Fedup,

    I suspect you leave me floundering in your wake when it comes to believing in fairies and lizards taking over the world.

  • Tomato

    @Alan Campbell, the BBC runs a number of stories which are red rags to the right, and right-on with the faux-left trust-funded or middling classes, Blairite type hypocrite profiteers. Underneath that it’s an unremittingly pro-government pro-war propaganda outfit, fully signed up the globalist zionist turbo capitalist agenda, thats been evident to many probably since News24 started and the Kuwait Gulf war of the early 1990s turned in to a sadistic gloat-fest and then a horror show as thousands of mostly teenage anti-Saddam Shia conscripted youth were eviscerated and sadistically incinerated on live-TV for the racist and zionist right to savour. All whom previously prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, began having that doubt dispelled; the reporters and presenters themselves seemed disappointed, no longer so animated when the hostilites cooled down and they had to reluctantly turn to more mundane domestic matters, the ensuing deaths by starvation, deprivation and disease in Iraq that killed a million beginning with the sick, the elderly and the children, due to our barbaric sanctions was not quite so telegenic or spectacular, discomfited them and was largely ignored.
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    Roll on a decade, we got Dr. Kelly, ‘Shock and Awe’ in Iraq (once again) with the BBC cheering from the sidelines, we’ve then had their refusal to air the DEC Appeal to garner aid for the victims of Israels oft-recurring genocidal attacks on the Palestinian citizens of Gaza, or spell out the protracted siege conditions they inescapably live in. They’ve filled us with nonsensical lies over Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, they’re at it at present with Somalia, Syria and Iran in their sights. Oops I’ve forgotten Afghanistan, Pakistan and for all I know probably half a dozen other nice safe tribal wars we’ve fomented, there’s been so many, what’s a war or two here or there for the bloodthirsty savages we’re perceived as abroad.
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    In between these slices of fantastic distortions, excusing or ignoring stark war-crimes, and priming us for and then colluding in the next slaughter and ‘necessary’ inhumanitarian invasion, the News programmes pump us full of Brit-Nat pomp; but for the BBC I doubt many would be aware we have a Monarchy, few would care if they didn’t ram this rolling publicity stunt family-troupe, down our subject throats. Then we have sport, particularly football, I consider it sad that sport and football are given such exposure, it’s a national deficiency that we suffer this nonsense to assume such importance, it certainly should not be any component of news output, it should not dominate as it does but should have its own programmes and channel and those who wish can indulge their energies and time to their hearts content, though without the mainstream, excessive endless exposure, these activities would wither to their true negligible worth.

    So much of the BBCs output is also introspective, believing we’re interested, often BBC presenters, staff or the ‘institution’ itself are the subject of news stories, its the BBC reporting on itself as news, instead of being an invisible facilitator and provider of unbiased information, its the star, the centre of everything around which all else revolves, mimicing the zionist trait ‘What’s in it for/how does it affect Israel/Zionism.’, so blatantly they’re mocking our powerlessness.
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    The legend of the BBCs WW2 accuracy has largely been taught to us by the BBC, it never was and never has been anything but the slickest of propaganda outfits that not only subverts the public will it forces us to pay them for the privilege of deceiving us! During the General Strike, it was strikingly pro-government, taking its orders from Churchill directly, Reith probably blackmailed or entrapped, for what were then criminal acts, to ensure co-operation but in any case a willing establishment tool to his core, coverage of the strike, to a very limited transmission coverage area and very few listeners was all out pro-government, anti-striker, anti-miners; Clarksons latter day shooting strikers comments could only be considered restrained by comparision with its early output.
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    The BBC has long been disinformation enterprise, funded by a force-backed extortion racket. In no way are the vast sums it collects spent on the rubbish they force-feed us, there’s a huge annual discrepancy. Whatever purpose a ‘good’ state broadcaster might serve, and I doubt that to irritate its audience as the BBC does unfailingly is worthy, it could be done on a hundredth of its current budget, It’s a dragon that needs slaying, George.

  • alan campbell

    Be careful what you wish for. I live in the Americas and get to see a lot of non-state funded broadcasting from the US. Terrifying.

  • Vronsky

    I see the BBC’s term for what is about to happen in Somalia is ‘stabilisation’. Their behaviour suggests something much more systematic than the self-censorship suggested by Iain Orr. It looks like a well-disciplined propaganda organ – but on whose behalf? The government? Which government? Who is calling the shots?
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    Notice Eric Joyce, Labour MP for Falkirk, ‘stuck the head’ on a Conservative colleague (allegedly). First remotely sensible thing a Labour MP has done in years.

  • oddie

    listened to a bit of Beeb World Sce last nite only to catch a lengthy analysis about burning holy books! endless stuff about how under certain circumstances it is okay to burn the Koran. went on to equate burning the Koran with placing the ashes on Christian foreheads, using palm crosses from the previous Palm Sunday or whatever. didn’t hear it all, but to say it was OFFENSIVE is to put it mildly!

  • DownWithThisSortOfThing

    R4 Today’s John Humphries interview with a Syrian woman opposed to military intervention this morning.
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    JH: “Why are you opposed to intervention?”
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    Guest: “Because it would increase the violence and the suffering of the Syrian people.”
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    JH: “Many people will be shocked to hear you say that. Suppose that you had family in Homs who were being destroyed?”
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    Guest: “My family is in Homs. I have not heard from them for two weeks.”
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    JH: “And despite that you still object to intervention?”, he said with an incredulous tone.
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    He seems amazed that this woman has worked out the simple fact that the solution to Syrian violence is not Western violence dressed up as humanitarian intervention.

  • DownWithThisSortOfThing

    There is a lot of hysterical reporting going on at the moment over the shelling in Homs. “Homs has been turned into hell”, “The regime now has the taste for blood” etc. etc.
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    It should be remembered that these are the very same people that kept their mouths shut and refused to report on one of the most despicable war-crimes in modern history.
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    Fallujah was was sealed off by US/UK forces. Any one attempting to escape was shot dead. They then systematically destroyed the city (and the people in it) using barometric bombs followed by napalm (shake ‘n’ bake). They also used experimental ordnance on civilians to assess its effects. the story below gives an idea of what went on. Compare the actions of the US/UK then to the Syrians today.
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/toxic-legacy-of-us-assault-on-fallujah-worse-than-hiroshima-2034065.html

  • Mary

    I heard that too DownWithThisSortofThing. He did his best to put words into Ms Monajed’s mouth and then of course the cvonversation was brought to a close without giving her the opportunity to reply to Turkmani. She had reminded him about Iraq and Libya and you could sense his shock that she was daring to say such things. Her deep understanding of the situation was apparent throughout.
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    Violence in the city of Homs has sparked calls for the international community to act ahead of a major conference to discuss the worsening situation. Syrian National Council spokesperson Ausama Monajed and Dr Rim Turkmani, of the opposition movement Building up the Syrian State, discuss their differing views on how the outside world can help.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9698000/9698885.stm
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    He has Hague on at the moment, croaking away. Humphreys is pressuring him too. There is a lust for more blood at the BBC. Esler was at it last night on Newsnight and even had Wolfowitz on from the US. Rory Stewart was urging caution and said that a political solution was the only answer.

  • Mary

    Spot on with your analysis Tomato.
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    Elsewhere it’s smoke and mirrors time over at RBS. Evan Davis was very deferential to Hester earlier on Today. Hester was allowed to say his piece pretty well without any questioning.
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    RBS losses hit £2bn amid bonus row
    (UKPA) – 35 minutes ago
    Taxpayer-backed Royal Bank of Scotland remained at the heart of the row over bankers’ pay as it unveiled total losses of £2 billion for 2011 at the same time as paying £785 million in bonuses to its staff.
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    RBS, which is 82% state-owned after receiving a £45.5 billion bailout at the height of the financial crisis, said the bonus pool included £390 million for its 17,000 investment bankers.
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    While the total pot is 43% lower than the previous year, it follows a period in which the bank announced thousands of job cuts as it scales back its investment arm Global Banking and Markets.
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    It also follows a turbulent period for the bank in which chief executive Stephen Hester was forced to waive his £963,000 all-shares bonus amid public outrage over bankers’ pay.
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    The bank, which employs 146,800 staff, revealed wider total losses of £2 billion in 2011, compared with £1.1 billion in 2010, which included a near £1 billion hit for mis-sold payment protection insurance compensation.
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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hoSqOtRbbsHCHMaJwPGhBkSCGk_g?docId=N0700191329958019757A
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    The Hester Davis piece from Today
    {http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9698000/9698887.stm}
    Note Hester’s strange accent.

  • Mary

    A little diversion to the subject of Somalia next for the war criminals and warmongers who are assembling today in London. What a busy boy Cameron is. ‘Building blocks’ my eye. It’s wiping out Al-Shabaab that is on the cards.
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    Top-Level Summit On ‘Failed State’ Somalia
    8:42am UK, Thursday February 23, 2012
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    The Prime Minister is appealing to international leaders to step up support for Somalia in an effort to stabilise the country described as “the world’s most failed state”.
    Representatives of more than 40 countries are gathering in London for today’s high-level international conference amid fears the East African nation is becoming the new breeding ground for terrorism.
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    David Cameron said he wanted to “forge a new momentum” and put in place the “building blocks” to create a stronger and safer Somalia after two decades blighted by war, piracy, terrorism and famine.
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    Among the senior figures attending will be United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as the leaders of neighbouring African states.
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    http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16175408

  • ingo

    @ snooty Please do picture me as you see fit, rhyme comes natural i’m afraid.

    The double act of neocon Wolfowitz and that Rory MI MP on newsshite last night was like tow boys spitting on a turd trying desperately to polish it. Far from agreeing, they put the Syrian opposition spokesstooge on edge.
    Thanks to passerby for setting us staright on Mare Colvin’s immigration status, she must have done this before. Listening to the other mouthpieces, they all knew and spoke to her last week,/two days ago/ seeing the propaganda machine drag her parents in front of the cameras, we can safely assume that the BBC is in war mode, barebacking young Hague to the hilt.

    Pictures of her having her eye out in Sri Lanka, makes it obvious, she went where no other journo dared, she took risks others were not prepared to take. Many other people got shot and killed entering countries illegally, but when papers and MI’s have their prize assets killed, they scream blue murder. Contrast this with civilian death, they are treated as ‘ci-villains’ non enteties, collateral.
    The propaganda levels tells me that she has another job next to journalisms. That said, I’m not without emphais for anybody who has died and ther parents must feel awefull, thankfully grief is universal and it does not come in cans.

    This interview with Rumsfeld makes it clear what he thinks of civilian death, Barett should have taken one of his golf club and clubbed him there and then, it shows the cynicism embedded in the neocons mind. They need prosecuting, judging and eradicating via a drone, cause voting them out does nothing, they still monger on.
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/22/exclusive-interview-donald-rumsfeld-defends-predator-drones/

  • Mary

    This is worth a smiley:)
    Paul Flynn’s throwaway to Letwin, he the secret litter bin filler.
    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/46979/paul_flynns_soft_spot_for_working_brain_letwin.html
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    The one day ‘conference’ on Somalia has them all sitting in a row. Ban Ki-Moon between Shillary and Cameroon. At the moment the Qatari foreign minister is speaking.
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    If only it was one of those shooting galleries at the funfair.
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    Hilarious photo of Hague in Mogadishu recently.
    {http://africanarguments.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Hague_Somalia.jpg}

  • Mary

    Obomber apolgizes to Karzai. Oh that’s alright then.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17144726
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    Elsewhere in that benighted country, nine Afghan girls are injured in an air strike. Oh good let’s get them into school but let’s damage their beautiful bodies and perhaps their lovely faces and their minds. The Third Reich had nothing on this lot.
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    9 Afghan girls injured in Nato air raid
    2012-02-22 17:47

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    Related links
    Nato admits Afghan children killed
    2 Afghan children killed in Nato attack
    Cop: Kids killed in Nato airstrike
    Four children die in bomb blast
    US sorry over Afghan child deaths

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    Jalalabad – Nine schoolgirls were injured in a Nato helicopter attack in Afghanistan’s eastern Nangarhar province, an Afghan official alleged on Wednesday.
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    Nato’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said it was looking into the allegation but had no immediate information.
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    “This morning a school was attacked by a Nato helicopter. Nine children, all girls, and the school’s janitor have been injured,” Ahmad Zia Abdulzai, the Nangarhar provincial government spokesperson said.
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    “Some of the girls were discharged after receiving treatment but about five of them are still in the hospital,” Abdulzai said, accusing the US-led ISAF force of carrying out the attack.
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    An ISAF spokesperson said the force was aware of the claim but “we don’t have operational reporting of it”.
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    “ISAF officials are looking into these claims,” the spokesperson said.
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    Last week, ISAF conceded that several children died during a bombing raid on February 8 in northeast Kapisa province.
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    Afghan President Hamid Karzai had condemned the air strikes and ordered an investigation after saying that eight children were killed.
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    The latest report comes amid intense anti-US riots in Kabul that were unleashed after the burning of copies of the Qur’an by foreign forces at the US-run Bagram military base north of the capital.

    – AFP
    {http://www.news24.com/World/News/9-Afghan-girls-injured-in-Nato-air-raid-20120222}

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  • Wera

    yesterday one of the political opponents of Mr Karimov was subject to assassination in Sweden. Media is silent.

  • Franz

    Oddie:
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    “listened to a bit of Beeb World Sce last nite only to catch a lengthy analysis about burning holy books! endless stuff about how under certain circumstances it is okay to burn the Koran. went on to equate burning the Koran with placing the ashes on Christian foreheads, using palm crosses from the previous Palm Sunday or whatever. didn’t hear it all, but to say it was OFFENSIVE is to put it mildly!”
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    Oh dear. That is depressing. Who said it is OK to burn the Koran?
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    It is deeply distressing to see the systematic winding down of all civilised values, and nobody batting an eyelid. Presumably because NO ONE WANTS TO BELIEVE IT.
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    20 years ago if the BBC had said it was OK to burn Korans and, worse, to imply that it is a Christian gesture, there would have been uproar.
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    Shame. Shame. Shame 🙁

  • oddie

    Franz –
    as i tuned in after the Koran piece started, i can’t tell u who at BBC was doing the talking; tried to find the piece online yesterday, but failed.
    however, i switched to Fox News for a minute yesterday, just as they were ending a report on the burning of the Korans (BTW have u noticed most MSM report as if A SINGLE KORAN was burned?) and the Fox female ended with a throwaway line that it is acceptable under Islam to dispose of Korans by burning them. can’t find that online either, but the following gives u an idea how distorted reporting is generally:

    22 Feb: Fox News: Afghan detainees at Bagram Air Base wrote inside Korans as a method for passing messages to fellow detainees, defacing the holy books in a manner considered blasphemous within Islam, the officials said, speaking to Fox News exclusively.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/22/as-rioting-leads-to-death-in-afghanistan-nato-officials-apologize-again-for/

    “going to be burned”??

    21 Feb: Fox News Radio: This official said that the books were going to be burned until Afghans stepped in and said this was not the proper way to dispose of them. In the process some materials were damaged, which this official called a “breakdown in judgment, not a breakdown in our respect for Islam.”
    http://radio.foxnews.com/2012/02/21/nato-investigates-alleged-koran-burning-at-u-s-military-base

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