The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@NR: I guess they couldn’t very well name it “naked mole rat”.
@Oliphant
Ha ha yes, I noticed Maman Gogole’s off-colour jokes, and was quite gratified I could actually get some of them! Maybe my French is better than I thought it was.
But how do I see more of Leo’s instagram pics? It says he has 6 pics uploaded but we can only see one. Maybe there’s one of his dad?
Am I being dim?
@Q
I thought the Serbs really did do Jill Dando, in retaliation for the British bombing of Serb TV in Belgrade. Barry George was the patsy, jailed for 10(?) years but now out after a successful appeal, or review of his case?
Ferret ….
That is so funny. Even the French are covering up the French !
Mr Brown. He died “normally”. Just in the same coloured car as the “police” are seeking. (yet no statement !).
Meanwhile, the police are looking for a motorbike..that passed Billy…in the other direction to where Billy was !
Maybe the motorbike did a U turn when he saw PD (and his women !) and Billy forgot to mention that !
@Tim V
Ha ha ha ha ha… it just gets better, doesn’t it.
And thanks for the paras, appreciated.
I take your point James
8 Nov, 2012 – 9:14 pm. Now contrast this with his decision without even opening doors that all the passengers of the car were beyond help, or for that matter his decision to abandon a frail badly injured little girl TWICE not even attempting to cover her up it seems. The first desertion is arguably more excusable than the second.
@ James 8 Nov, 2012 – 4:17 pm
“Q.. Chevaline is “horse butcher”.”
I think the “horse butcher” comes from machine translations, where some render, “murders or dead or deaths or massacre at Chevaline” as “dead or killed or butchered horses or horse slaughterer.”
@ all
The thing about SM being a father of three and on three years paternity leave, comes from media wanting to engender sympathy for him and outrage at the killers – the tabloid “misery porn” that sells.
Same with SAH being a fine family man, who dearly loved his daughters, certainly not a spy, living a life of danger. Though in SAH’s case they slip in derogatory disinfo via neigbours; chats on jihadi messaging, “banks” of expensive computers, locks changed, disputes with brother, a mysterious message only for police, and somebody leaks that an illegal Taser was found in his home (gasp!), but no red wigs or womens clothing in his size – they missed that one this time.
It’s all made up, just like 9/11 (terrorists entirely missing from flight manifests) and JFK (Oswald failed a powder test, showing he hadn’t fired a gun that day, and in any case his gun couldn’t fire without being cleaned first, and having the sights re-set).
All details in these cases are *always* mis-reported, and then re-reported differently, thus creating a confusion of conflicting events. Nothing is true. And in the fog of confusion no one can make out what really happened.
Job done.
My best bet after many years studying these kinds of events is to distance myself from the details and consider what I think really happened. Then examine all the events in relation to my theory, and see how it stands up.
My theory now is that no one was really shot there at all.
This ties in well with many observable or reported details, eg lack of blood/brain matter in the car, lack of blood in the car park, frozen crime scene for 8 hrs, bodies with exact bullet holes in the forehead, (but which must have been shot from the side), and so on. It also fits in with lack of photos of all the victims (either complete lack, or just one grainy photo published, semi-side view only).
Also, embalmed bodies being returned to the UK fits this theory, as previously-killed people could easily be substituted, and the reported disfigurement so as to require identification by DNA testing fits this theory, as it’s then easier to substitute bodies, providing age and skin colour is similar enough to pass a cursory examination.
This way the “victims” can be spirited away and no one will be any the wiser. And no one will come looking for them either.
To be entirely fair, there are details which I can’t yet fit into my theory, such as the brit spook-scramble from Paris. But there are less inconvenient facts with this theory than with any other.
Mind you, I still think it’s a bit mad! But you know, my opinion of the facts doesn’t change them.
🙂
OK… I’m off to bed now, I’m done!
I expect some of you will have some fun at my expense about my last post… why not. But serious challenges would of course be welcomed. I’m sure I must’ve left out a dozen “facts” that may fit or not…
Goodnight all.
Q
8 Nov, 2012 – 10:46 pm I like it!
NR
8 Nov, 2012 – 11:13 pm yup I saw that too. I was just highlighting how convoluted is the thinking of military and intelligence types when labelling operations or equipment in case ppl should think I’m off my head with these strange name co-incidences.
NR.
Chevaline is a butcher of horses.
Butcher, render, slaughter, whatever. It is a specific butcher.
Not “horse”, that is different.
More like “boucherie chevaline” which is really the term, but you don’t say “boucherie”, there is no need, “chevaline” is enough.
A bit like a “round circle”. No need to say “round”.
Chances are, no one has ever seen a square circle !
It’s just the Brit’s that need to “explain” their terms clearly.
Solid, interesting finds Ferret
8 Nov, 2012 – 11:30 pm. Rather supports my general point about the deeper meaning of words and phrases. Of course in WW2 adverts in papers or recognisable phrases was used regularly to convey meanings, as it was/is in the spy world. Trouble is you need to be primed to spot and understand it. Are these covert messages to others? If so to whom and what do they mean? That’s the tricky bit!
I could almost live with that but the car is there and shot up though this could be a “hollywood set up”. And then there are the girls but agreed we haven’t seen them yet nor are we likely to. The Al Hilli’s were reliably seen going up. Shots were heard. Lots of people would have to roped in, ambulances, hospitals, mortuaries, undertakers, first responders if it was ALL fabricated. So for the moment I continue to accept it happened, but not as reported.
@Q OFF-TOPIC
@Ferret 8 Nov, 2012 – 11:57 pm
It’s all made up, just like 9/11…
This ties in well with many observable or reported details, eg lack of blood/brain matter in the car, lack of blood in the car park, frozen crime scene for 8 hrs, bodies with exact bullet holes in the forehead, (but which must have been shot from the side), and so on. It also fits in with lack of photos of all the victims (either complete lack, or just one grainy photo published, semi-side view only).
Reminds me of a case in Montreal: remarkable lack of blood and body fluids; bodies substituted; one dragged hither and yon and back from bed to bath, disassembled, washed well, dried; the alleged perp, pre-framed by others, who then also frames himself for murder, side views only, wig and hoodie, photoshopped in front of an incriminating poster 2 months in advance, when all he needed to do was flash his famous “Blue Steel” left profile at the camera.
No lack of morbid crime scene photos – 28,000 frames – of the few hundred I looked at, there’s something very wrong in almost every one.
Toronto & Montreal, now a world centre for low cost horror films. Photorealistic bodies and body parts to order. The case of Remy Couture, about to come to trial in Dec., after a 3 year delay, arrested for making a too realistic “Saw” style video, following persistent complaints via Interpol from someone in Germany convinced it was real snuff stuff.
Montreal, where biz ownership is more convoluted than 55 Princes Gate, and every bar, strip club, apartment and hotel is owned by interlocking numbered companies, that resolve to nominee directors.
@ James 9 Nov, 2012 – 12:22 am
“NR. Chevaline is a butcher of horses.
Butcher, render, slaughter, whatever. It is a specific butcher.
Not “horse”, that is different.
More like “boucherie chevaline” which is really the term, but you don’t say “boucherie”, there is no need, “chevaline” is enough”
Thanks for explaining. The term is confusing the machine translators, that can’t make sense of a murder at the butcher of horses. Now we have Chevaline with the nuke connotation and butcher too.
In this German page, from 23. Oktober 2012, they propose another gun.
http://nachrichten-politik.at/2012/10/23/der-vierfachmord-von-chevaline/
Pic:
http://nachrichten-politik.at/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Automatikpistole-vom-Kaliber-765-Millimeter-300×191.jpg
At the crime scene, the French police as a whole has ensured 25 cartridge cases. All shots were fired by a weapon, they come from a pistol 7.65 mm caliber. An automatic pistol from the production of the French manufacturer manufacture d ‘ arms de Bayonne, which was also used as weapons with the armed forces. (From the army procurement office approximately 53,000 guns for the troops were procured from 1940-1944.) Many indicated in a majority at the time, probably even to a professional killer.
PS: The TV just ran the trailer for the movie War Z, where Brad Pitt battles Zombies, coming next year. Was Roy M. Anderson of Pelorus Research the tech consultant?
@Tim
Heres the magenta pic .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=75
Gif/photo
post #1487 02-10-2012, 05:52 PM
No time until later to catch up.
For posters who do not take Sam Rosenfeld’s threats to silence me seriously for posting complaints about his covert work, especially for the Mossad,I am posting this exchange of e-mails with Edward Chanter,the technical director of codshit.com, about them:
—– Original Message —–
From: Edward Chanter
To: Trowbridge Ford
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Legal Notice from Sam Rosenfeld
Hi Trow,
I must have got the name wrong in the message I got from my girlfriend. As he’s UK based and it’s a legal thing I’ve done a search for his name and taken down the two articles which mention him by name. I won’t take down any other stuff of yours but I really can’t afford any legal issues as it would get very expensive. It’s easier for you because you’re in Sweden and he can’t get to you as easily through the courts.
I hate being censored like this but I don’t see that I have much choice as I don’t have money for legal fees or anything.
I hope you understand.
All the best,
-= Ed
On 6 November 2012 11:38, Trowbridge Ford wrote:
Hi Ed,
The above not only sent me the e-mail below yesterday, but also called me twice today about my either retracting everything I have written, and apologise for having done so or face punitive legal action.
I told him that I would not retract anything, and to stop bothering me with his threats.
He threatened me, and I believe you, over posting an article about his involvement in Forest Gate. Then there were posts on the IRBB and l think your site about the murder of Magaret Perry that he also took exception to.
I think that this is all related to my connecting the al-Hilli massacre to the Mossad by claiming that William Hershkovitz was one of the kidon in the massacre around Lake Annecy in early September, and him being killed after an apparent set-up a month later.
For more, just see the post I just made about it on Craig Murray’s thread about not forgetting the al-Hillis.
Think it is just another empty scare tactic.
More worried about its getting rid of me, like it did apparently with that Exxon-Mobil executive Nick Mockford who was murdereed a fortnight after Hershkovitz in Brussels.
Do whatever you want about it.
Trow
—– Original Message —–
From: Press (Media)
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Legal Notice
Dear Mr Ford,
As you are aware I have previously written to you regarding your false and malicious (libel) statements that you had caused to be published online.
Having refused to remove the offending material, I must now advise you that the material has been recently re-published.
I therefore have decided to bring a legal action against you and the other perpetrators in respect of this matter.
Proceedings will be issued at the High Court in London and served on you within the next 28 days.
A per-litigation notification will be served on you within the next 7 days.
I will therefore be in touch in due course with regard to this matter.
Kindest Regards
Sam Rosenfeld
—
Edward Chanter
Technical Innovations Manager
Collaborative Connections Ltd.
http://www.cc.uk.com
Landline: 01273 832221
Mobile: 07866 365282
Skype: edward.chanter
Linked In: http://goo.gl/Vdxqh
———-
What is even more interesting is that codshit.com has been taken over by blogger which prevents me from not only posting comments on it but also even seeing what it is doing, as it is only a site which invites its commenters, and I am not invited.
Seems it is taking Rosenfeld’s threats most seriously – what you refuse to do, especially the reasons of why he wants to silence me ever so badly.
@ Ferret 8 Nov, 2012 – 10:44 pm
“not all stars are in Hollywood”
Polaris / Missile / North Star
Laser / Guide Stars
Satellites / Look Like Stars
Fusion / H Bomb / Stars
ITER – the way to new energy harnessing the energy of the stars… ITER is being built in Southern France adjacent to the CEA Cadarache Research Centre, located in the commune of Saint-Paul-lez-Durance.
@ Q : Russell William’s step-father, Jerry Sovka, was project manager for ITER down in Aix-en-Provence. You mentioned he is now retired, living in France.
An excuse for anyone in the group to investigate 2 stars in Annecy. As a certified Craig Murray Internet Investigator you can deduct cost from your taxes even if the group can’t reimburse you.
“Chef Laurent Petit – Le Clos des Sens – Annecy-le-Vieux – 74 Haute-Savoie – Rhône-Alpes – 2e étoile obtenue en 2007”
Never know what interesting things are found on the open Internet. Can I sell the below to the LaRouchians?
“The most efficient coating material for the cryopanels that keep the vacuum in the ITER Tokamak clean: coconut-shell charcoal. A supply of 2002 Indonesian coconut charcoal is being stored at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology in Germany for ITER’s cryopumps.”
Harriet Alexander of the Telegraph allegedly spoke to Mollier’s family recently.
Harriet Alexander (of the Telegraph) also reported in October that “Saad Al-Hilli changed the locks on his Surrey home…neighbours have said”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9591492/Alps-murder-Saad-al-Hilli-changed-the-locks-on-his-Surrey-home-before-travelling-to-Annecy.html
Strangely, if you read the text of the article, there is no mention of locks or indeed neighbours. Strange.
The Mirror said The family shot dead in the Alps last month had recently changed the locks on their home, police have revealed.
{http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-victim-saad-1364856}
Can we trust the Telegraph?
I checked the twitter photo of Leo with baby Louis. Louis is at least 6 months old on that picture, more likely 8 or 9 months old. He would not sit upright when he were 3 months old as somewhere written that photo proves that he was probably born end 2011/beginning of 2012.
Thanks for posting the twitter link. the age given for SM sons by media were all fake and scripted.
@Ferret
Seems very reasonable to me. There’s a wall of silence in Chevaline/Ugine/Grignon/Claygate There are plenty of other well documented operations where silence has been maintained by dramatis personae. The threats to “divulgers” must be pretty severe in such circumstances.
Felix
That’s all a hollywood script. The media tell us some fake about what they DONT know but the dont tell us what they know. That is a bad amateurish theatre performing a cheap and dumb actors staff.
Our intelligence services did much better scripts in the past. Their amateurish directing of theatre plots and media manipulation paired with brain washing of the people had started with the crazy 9/11 plot. Of course, the internet makes it much tougher for their Clean Teams today. But they should be able to do a much better job. Bad education at school might be the reason.
@ Ferret 8 Nov, 2012 – 10:44 pm
“not all stars are in Hollywood”
More star stuff plus an arrow and half a horse:
http://actionawe.org/awe-aldermaston/
“… to manufacture the Chevaline warheads… “AWE’s Orion laser…”
“ORION Project US Cold War intelligence effort to create a space craft powered by hydrogen bombs.”
“Orion was the companion of Artemis, Greek goddess of the hunt. Pegasus … half horse – aiming his bow and arrow at a giant scorpion* … she shot an arrow and pierced the head of Orion.”
* We know of bears and eagles, who is the scorpion?
davidicke.com down again?
Is it being hijacked by cloudflare.com??
@Bluebird
Can you pls confirm what Kenneth wrote yesterday that Fred Brun shared an address with Mme Ringot’s salon? And that Mme Ringot is suspect numero uno for the mother of Sylvain Mollier’s two children by first marriage? If so, this is bizarre beyond all measure.
@Tim V
In my hypothetical plot, only DGSE needed to be “in” on secret to switch the bodies – everyone else would just have been doing their job.
The mysterious 4×4 would bring up the pre-embalmed bodies (shot in the forehead) and meet the Al Hilli’s and SM in the layby.
BM would have been on watch, and maybe FB too.
The switch team then load up the Al Hilli’s car with bodies and put the (very much alive) Al Hilli’s and SM into the 4×4. The bodies for “SM” and “Zainab” they lay on the ground.
They then spray the area with automatic fire. People quite some distance away report hearing 30s of automatic fire.
Then they scootch off down the hill as fast as they can go.
BM then goes downhill… meets Phillipe D… and the rest is history.
Phillipe D reports everyone lifeless at the scene.
Someone makes the call to the cops – possibly PD or BM.
First response is called off by Paris for 8 hours, pending arrival of the special squad. No ambulence men attend any of the victims. (The Zainab story was put out later – she was initially reported dead at the scene.)
Heat-seeking cameras on helicopters are put to work, but find no sources of heat.
(Last night I omitted the details of PDs description of everyone being unresponsive, and the heat-seeking cameras, but again these fit the “no murders” scenario most cleanly.)
They take the bodies to the morgue. Now comes one weak spot in my theory: the post-mortems. Of course, if there were any post-mortems, the pathologist would have noticed the embalming – so the pathologist would have to have been sworn to secrecy. Or perhaps they brought in “tame” pathologist? Or perhaps they just told the pathologist they had to embalm them first to preserve them?
Otherwise no one else needs to have known, nor would they have noticed.
Ferret’s analysis of the murders around Lake Annecy is utter nonsense – i. e., dismissing anything serious took place there after he has deconstructed all the false claims, it seems, about them.
This is a disinformation art, developed first by those who didn’t find the Warren Report on the JFK assassination convincing, and what has been perfected by critics of the 9/11 Commission Report.
This deconstruction process results in all kinds of even worse explanations, like LBJ and a host of various killers assassinated the President, and the 9/11 tragedies were inside jobs where there were no highjackers, flights, passengers, and phone calls from those who claimed to be on them, only those deliberately killed in the WTC and surrounding area.
Here the massacre site is made up to look like a real massacre, according to Ferret, and all the police, witness, and media claims to the contrary are simply falsehoods of one sort or another.
All this would be more convincing to me if I was not being silenced by Sam Rosenfeld’s apparent threats to sites about libel actions if they post my stuff.
Now I have learned that I have had my membership to The Local’s discussion site has been canceled – where I most recently started a thread about whether Säpo – Sweden’s Security Service which has taken over the murder investigation of Suhaila al-Allaf, a Swedish citizen who lived in Tumba south of Stockholm – was looking into her murder, and that of her daughter, Mrs. al-Hilli apparently by the Mossad.
My membership to The Local was canceled without notification or any explanation as to its cause.
The murdering character of our police states just keeps on growing despite all their cock-ups, especially this one where, it seems, at least six innocent people have been killed without any established, much less proven,cause.
@ Felix 9 Nov, 2012 – 8:30 am
@Ferret “There are plenty of other well documented operations where silence has been maintained by dramatis personae. The threats to “divulgers” must be pretty severe in such circumstances.”
Sometimes you need only pass out fistfuls of hundreds and a suggestion silence is much appreciated. After the cover story is well placed in the media, and anyone doubting it is portrayed as a demented fool by late-night comedians, it doesn’t matter if they talk.
Or you can do it cheap. For example, there’s a noisy murder, so have a couple of hefty biker-gang dudes wander the apartment building hallways cackling dementedly, and neighbors take the hint they didn’t hear a thing – slept right thru it.
Ferret
Negativ. Brun had a flat in the house of coiffeur cathy where that tv team was going to talk to mrs. Ex-mollier. His business was directly opposite. However, salon lydia is in another part of that village. We do not know, though, how long salin lydia exists. Justine can’t be there for a long time due to her facebook page. Perhaps 1 or 2 years. We should find out when this coiffeur opened. Perhaps she was working earlier in salon cathy and therefore the tv team was going there? My guess is that salon lydia is a new business due to the fact that justine blondel was not there for a ling time yet.
How can we find out.
Too much mentioning of Hillywood here. At first BM mentioning a hollywood film and then the encrypted Brun death advert, too?
I read those sentences again and again in the Brun message. However, tgey say that he did always say that? They did cite/quote him?
It is pure nonsense when he apparently said that all the time as tge messenger wants us to make believe. This was a encrypted message saying “job done”. Other than that it would have been the most stupid death ad ever. No mentioning of names of relatives? Just stupid nonsense? No way!